sammystarock Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 (edited) This will probably get locked or whatever, but I hope that this is still a free forum, and I'll use my right to express my opinion. Don't be afraid, it's not too long and won't hurt.The slightest little thing said in the heat of the moment will make your posts disappear. Half of your post can be OT and the other half can be "kind of" flaming (Oooh, such a naughty bad boy you are...!) and you'll get your nose cleaned. FFS, you don't even need to use gross language, you don't even need to insult someone. Zeal is part of debating most of the time, and playing nice constantly is childish and just stupid.But you know what? That would be OK. If some of the staff are pudic and don't like "bad behaviour", interpreted the kindergarden way - no problem. The thing is that they are picky, too. Some posts they'll delete, some they won't, although they are equally as to be deleted, when it comes to their logic. Well done staff, delete all posts, but the one that was provocative in the first place - nobody cares. Are you unable to use the 'Report' system?Awesome reaction. You probably already saw the post I was referring to, as you immediately read and answered mine, which was just one post underneath it. But oh, of course. I didn't use the report button. The post would probably not have been deleted anyway, because it's still there. Pickiness, as already mentionned. I've had enough of real life cops already and I thought GTAF mods would play less stupid than them. Well, I got disillusioned now. Here's one example of deleted posts. Wow, this is censorship right there.I don't try to hate or rant. I think it's just a shame that there are whole pages of interesting discussions being deleted, just because some users are Mimosa pudicas and some of the mods on the other end are too. Makes me wonder if it's worth engaging in any divisive discussions on GTAF at all. Probably not.Also, @Staff, if you decide to lock this thread for reasons of pride I could comprehend, I would like to see it locked with no answer. If you decide to respond however, probably defending your colleagues, leave it open for anybody to discuss.If you'd like to show some balls, you'd do the latter. If you have none, at least give yourself the same right not to say the opinions you have you give normal users too and do the former. Your choice. EDIT: The post I was talking about got deleted now, after a quarter or whatever. Edited December 22, 2015 by sammystarock Pyrrhic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirsty Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 I know the topic you're referring to having just looked at your history; there were a lot of argumentative posts being removed in order to try and stop the flames from spreading - we don't want to lock everything, sometimes the only way to try and stop an argument in its tracks is to remove all the content and warn/ban the members involved in effort to bring the topic back on track. So what exactly is your complaint here, that your own posts are being hidden or that staff are picking and choosing what posts they hide/don't hide? sammystarock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Tiger~ Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Well done staff, delete all posts, but the one that was provocative in the first place - nobody cares. Are you unable to use the 'Report' system? Awesome reaction. You probably already saw the post I was referring to, as you immediately read and answered mine, which was just one post underneath it. But oh, of course. I didn't use the report button. If you refuse to use the Report System in order to highlight a problem, and instead, choose to post an off topic comment, you are contributing to the problem, not the solution. In actual fact I didn't see the comment which was subsequently removed. If you had reported it, I would have done. *MURDOC*, sammystarock, The Dedito Gae and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammystarock Posted December 22, 2015 Author Share Posted December 22, 2015 I know the topic you're referring to having just looked at your history; there were a lot of argumentative posts being removed in order to try and stop the flames from spreading - we don't want to lock everything, sometimes the only way to try and stop an argument in its tracks is to remove all the content and warn/ban the members involved in effort to bring the topic back on track. So what exactly is your complaint here, that your own posts are being hidden or that staff are picking and choosing what posts they hide/don't hide? Thank god Kirsty answered, LOL. My complaint isn't that MY posts are being hidden - it would be ridiculous to open a thread for that and the problem would rather be on my end if my posts would get deleted, and other's wouldn't. I just generally think it's a shame that posts that have a very small amount of flaming in them and are rather interesting to read are being deleted, I mean you said it yourself: there were a lot of argumentative posts being removed I was expecting a sh*tstorm in the likes of AlienTwo's and *MURDOC*'s posts (that are deleted now, nice spam by the way), but the thing is that one of the main reasons I like GTAF is that I can discuss GTA in a very detailed way here. Talking about the quality of GTA, how the future should look like, storylines, missions, etc. I like debating, talking to people who have other opinions, rebutting their arguments, while they are rebutting mines and so on. I also like to go back and read arguments, opinions and such. And when I see that 70% of a discussion is gone, it's just pissing me off, and I just see no point in these forums anymore, at least not for me personally. Why would I engage in any topic, if so many posts get deleted just to "prevent flame spreading"? On top of that, the pickiness is also pissing me off. But that wouldn't bother me too much, if the base problem I have described wouldn't be there. That's just a minor complaint really, even if it may not have come across as such in my original post. I get your reasoning that non-flaming posts get deleted to stop flaming from spreading, but really? You punish interested users just to prevent general flaming? Come on. If you refuse to use the Report System in order to highlight a problem, and instead, choose to post an off topic comment, you are contributing to the problem, not the solution. In actual fact I didn't see the comment which was subsequently removed. If you had reported it, I would have done. OK, fair enough. My apologies, hoping it was like that.The thing is that I didn't want any post to be deleted. I just didn't see any flaming in it that was worth deleting. Reasons are listed above. I want to respond to posts, saying my honest opinion to the person in question. I just think that quite often, the staff is too sensitive and quick on the delete button. Obviously, you'll have a different opinion. But whatever, I'll just avoid any polarising discussion then. Thanks for hearing me out anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution ~Tiger~ Posted December 22, 2015 Solution Share Posted December 22, 2015 I'll just avoid any polarising discussion then. Polarising discussion is fine. Encouraged even. The thing to avoid is making direct, off topic, personal comments or responding to personal comments directly. For example: Nobody is being a drama queen, but you like playing the sorehead to piss other people off, which you have already done today. If you have nothing to say for a constructive conversation, just don't say anything. I would really worry if I were you, because you arrived to the point at which XenoxX likes your posts. Don't bother responding to this, because I have a cozy place for you two on my ignore list. Not having to read your posts will be like heroin, and I can alread feel the warm needle on my arm. This has nothing to do with the topic and so was removed. Remember the forum rules. No Flaming Language or comments that are antagonistic, provocative, slanderous, derogatory, abusive, aggressive or confrontational Your comments were confrontational. On a positive note, removed comments can be easily restored so if you feel that a comment was removed in error, please PM one of us and it may be restored, albeit in an edited form. sammystarock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammystarock Posted December 22, 2015 Author Share Posted December 22, 2015 (edited) Polarising discussions always lead to a certain flaming degree. I just don't have a problem with flaming if it's embedded into the topic's context and written as an appendix to an OT post or used to respond to a member that's only flaming. Why I have no problem with it, is because there WILL be flaming in polarising topics, it's part of the game. And that's why I think that elevating the pain threshold to these kind of posts would be constructive - I'd rather have a topic locked instead of it being amputated all the time.It's a controversial opinion, I know, but it's the one I have.And with the strict quotation of the forum rules - you're in the right, I have to admit.So I'll just leave polarising discussions; it's just a decision I take for me personally, because I know that they will have a very short life span. Once again, I thank you for hearing me out. Edited December 22, 2015 by sammystarock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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