IMO Schafter V12s Aren't Worth It

[Arrows to Athens]

Sorry, but my f*cks to give about your preference/view jumped out of the window.

Edited December 21, 2015 by Fearx--

[RandomBrotha]

 

 

Being real with you for a minute....

 

I replaced my armored Kuruma for one of the armored Shafters.

 

It's faster. Takes more of a punishment, and looks nicer, at the sacrifice of all-wheel-drive and better windows. Those windows are not BP on the Kuruma. The AI are decent at picking through them. Sure, you can usually wade into a sea of bodies and be fine, but they'll start to pick through them in time.

This is why I truly believe the Zentorno is the best mission car. Its one of the fastest cars in the game in any class and nothing can get through the ass end of that vehicle.

Missions are now time coded so there is no need to rush.

 

My rpg disagrees.

 

Like I said, there's no mission where rpgs are being fired at it. I don't freeroam. If that's what you do though from what it sounds like, this car may be a good choice for you.

[*Lola]

 

Now before you guys light me up, please try to understand my perspective and reasoning behind that statement.

 

All I'm interested in is making money. I don't fool around in Freeroam doing PVP and what not, so I can't speak to the car's abilities in that area. What I can talk about though is its capabilities in missions.

 

Before I post the negatives, I want to talk about the positives:

 

- Low cost - 100k for the V12 unarmored is an amazing value for what you're getting. 1 of the fastest cars in the game, sleek looks, decent customization, good bang for the buck in the sports class

- Nice customization on the armored version

- Sick engine sound

- Fastest way to carry 4 people on the ground

 

Now the negatives (mostly for the armored version):

- Weak windows - The AI will break these windows like nothing. Even with handguns so I shudder at the thought of what players could do to them. I'd barely call them armored.

- There's nothing the armored version can do that the Zentorno can't do better in reverse - For missions like LS Connection and even easy stuff like Pier Pressure, the AI will chew right through your glass.

- The normal V12 is in the sports class - For racers that already own a Massacro, Jester, Elegy, there's no reason to buy this car, unless you only plan on going in a straight line.

 

I have a little buyer's remorse after buying this car (armored version). Its not that I don't like it, its just that it really doesn't do anything that something else does better. Its cool that we have 50 car slots now, because otherwise I think these 2 cars might be a waste of space. Again, for someone that is interested in grinding money via contact missions, get yourself a Zentorno for 400k more, or a Kuruma for only 200k more, or if you really want to go all out, get an attack chopper. Don't buy the V12 for armor, and stick with your normal sports car over the unarmored version if you're on the fence.

 

When I seen the name Schafter, I knew right there the car wasn't for me. If it was a flying car I still wouldn't buy it. LOL

Edited December 22, 2015 by *Lola

[TCA]

May not be worth it to you, but to most of us it definitely is.

[Mattoropael]

You're doing it wrong if you're actually bringing the new armored cars to firefights.

 

The new armor cars are actually quite good at one thing - surviving without passive. This is useful for the new VIP-and-bodyguard system where none of the participating players can go passive. The windows' bullet tolerance of ~15 shots from most automatic weapons or 5 shots from a heavy sniper denies your opponents a quick kill, and while an explosion will destroy all windows, you won't go ka-boom like the one-trick pony called the Kuruma. You can then flee to the nearest LSC/owned property to repair the damage.

 

You aren't supposed to use them aggressively, so of course they suck at it when you do.

[MrGrandis]

It is worth eveny penny if you want a better performing 4 door cars / Schafter, the original is just so lacking.

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

You're doing it wrong if you're actually bringing the new armored cars to firefights.

 

The new armor cars are actually quite good at one thing - surviving without passive. This is useful for the new VIP-and-bodyguard system where none of the participating players can go passive. The windows' bullet tolerance of ~15 shots from most automatic weapons or 5 shots from a heavy sniper denies your opponents a quick kill, and while an explosion will destroy all windows, you won't go ka-boom like the one-trick pony called the Kuruma. You can then flee to the nearest LSC/owned property to repair the damage.

 

You aren't supposed to use them aggressively, so of course they suck at it when you do.

I couldn't have said it better myself. Just like armored vehicles in real life. You don't bring an armored Mercedes to a war. You use it as protection when the risk of being assassinated or car bombed is high.

[We Are Ninja]

I don't take armored cars into missions, so IDGAF about it's bullet resistance. It's sexy AF. That's all the justification I need.

[RandomBrotha]

You're doing it wrong if you're actually bringing the new armored cars to firefights.

 

The new armor cars are actually quite good at one thing - surviving without passive. This is useful for the new VIP-and-bodyguard system where none of the participating players can go passive. The windows' bullet tolerance of ~15 shots from most automatic weapons or 5 shots from a heavy sniper denies your opponents a quick kill, and while an explosion will destroy all windows, you won't go ka-boom like the one-trick pony called the Kuruma. You can then flee to the nearest LSC/owned property to repair the damage.

 

You aren't supposed to use them aggressively, so of course they suck at it when you do.

You didn't read what I said. For the 100th time I don't free roam. I don't care about being able to survive an rpg shot. If you do, this thread isn't for you.

 

I play contact missions. For contact missions, there are cars you can use "aggressively". The Kuruma, the Zentorno. These are armored cars. They should be able to do whatever you want them to do, and the Kuruma actually does serve my purpose.

 

When I made this thread, I knew it'd be misinterpreted and wouldn't be popular opinion because a. people don't usually take the time to read your entire train of thought if the first line goes against theirs, and b. most people only freeroam in this game.

 

For the last time, this car (especially the armored version) is not worth the money IF you plan on using it for protection in missions. There are 2 cars that do that job significantly better (Kuruma/Zentorno). Its my own fault. I should have been more clear in the OP. Thought I was, but apparently I was not.

Edited December 22, 2015 by RandomBrotha

[Mattoropael]

 

You're doing it wrong if you're actually bringing the new armored cars to firefights.

 

The new armor cars are actually quite good at one thing - surviving without passive. This is useful for the new VIP-and-bodyguard system where none of the participating players can go passive. The windows' bullet tolerance of ~15 shots from most automatic weapons or 5 shots from a heavy sniper denies your opponents a quick kill, and while an explosion will destroy all windows, you won't go ka-boom like the one-trick pony called the Kuruma. You can then flee to the nearest LSC/owned property to repair the damage.

 

You aren't supposed to use them aggressively, so of course they suck at it when you do.

You didn't read what I said. For the 100th time I don't free roam. I don't care about being able to survive an rpg shot. If you do, this thread isn't for you.

 

I play contact missions. For contact missions, there are cars you can use "aggressively". The Kuruma, the Zentorno. These are armored cars. They should be able to do whatever you want them to do, and the Kuruma actually does serve my purpose.

 

When I made this thread, I knew it'd be misinterpreted and wouldn't be popular opinion because a. people don't usually take the time to read your entire train of thought if the first line goes against theirs, and b. most people only freeroam in this game.

 

For the last time, this car (especially the armored version) is not worth the money IF you plan on using it for protection in missions. There are 2 cars that do that job significantly better (Kuruma/Zentorno). Its my own fault. I should have been more clear in the OP. Thought I was, but apparently I was not.

 

 

So you're disagreeing with me while agreeing with me? You have just admitted that you're using the car in a role that it was not designed for (playing aggressively, be it PvE or PvP), and the car logically doesn't perform as well as it would in its optimal role (saving your hide while you flee from attackers).

 

And why "especially the armored version" anyway? Did anyone expect any of the unarmored cars in this update to give any sort of protection beyond that of your bog-standard cars? None of them even look like they might have a BP back.

 

Anyway, now that I've gave your first post a little more attention, there are some more glaring problems:

1. You claim that the V12 (armored or not) is not worth its money solely on the ground of inadequate protection, yet you recommend people to spend their money on other equally-inadequate normal sports cars over the unarmored V12. The logic is non-existent.

2. The two V12s have the exact same customization options. All visual differences (armor plating, thicker window frames, blacked-out grille, different stock wheels) are built in.

 

 

You chose the wrong car expecting it to work in a role it isn't good at and regret it, I get it. It doesn't mean that the car is suddenly universally unworthy of everybody's money, not even if you limit your scope to "mission grinders". God forbid people grind money to buy fun cars like the V12.

[RandomBrotha]

 

 

You're doing it wrong if you're actually bringing the new armored cars to firefights.

 

The new armor cars are actually quite good at one thing - surviving without passive. This is useful for the new VIP-and-bodyguard system where none of the participating players can go passive. The windows' bullet tolerance of ~15 shots from most automatic weapons or 5 shots from a heavy sniper denies your opponents a quick kill, and while an explosion will destroy all windows, you won't go ka-boom like the one-trick pony called the Kuruma. You can then flee to the nearest LSC/owned property to repair the damage.

 

You aren't supposed to use them aggressively, so of course they suck at it when you do.

You didn't read what I said. For the 100th time I don't free roam. I don't care about being able to survive an rpg shot. If you do, this thread isn't for you.

 

I play contact missions. For contact missions, there are cars you can use "aggressively". The Kuruma, the Zentorno. These are armored cars. They should be able to do whatever you want them to do, and the Kuruma actually does serve my purpose.

 

When I made this thread, I knew it'd be misinterpreted and wouldn't be popular opinion because a. people don't usually take the time to read your entire train of thought if the first line goes against theirs, and b. most people only freeroam in this game.

 

For the last time, this car (especially the armored version) is not worth the money IF you plan on using it for protection in missions. There are 2 cars that do that job significantly better (Kuruma/Zentorno). Its my own fault. I should have been more clear in the OP. Thought I was, but apparently I was not.

 

 

So you're disagreeing with me while agreeing with me? You have just admitted that you're using the car in a role that it was not designed for (playing aggressively, be it PvE or PvP), and the car logically doesn't perform as well as it would in its optimal role (saving your hide while you flee from attackers).

 

And why "especially the armored version" anyway? Did anyone expect any of the unarmored cars in this update to give any sort of protection beyond that of your bog-standard cars? None of them even look like they might have a BP back.

 

Anyway, now that I've gave your first post a little more attention, there are some more glaring problems:

1. You claim that the V12 (armored or not) is not worth its money solely on the ground of inadequate protection, yet you recommend people to spend their money on other equally-inadequate normal sports cars over the unarmored V12. The logic is non-existent.

2. The two V12s have the exact same customization options. All visual differences (armor plating, thicker window frames, blacked-out grille, different stock wheels) are built in.

 

 

You chose the wrong car expecting it to work in a role it isn't good at and regret it, I get it. It doesn't mean that the car is suddenly universally unworthy of everybody's money, not even if you limit your scope to "mission grinders". God forbid people grind money to buy fun cars like the V12.

 

I don't think you read the bullet points in the original post correctly. I point out its pros and its cons, and then go on to talk about why it isn't right for me.

 

I'm not saying DON'T buy it. Its your money, buy whatever you want man. The world keeps turning. I'm saying that the unarmored V12 is a middle of the road sports car. The armored version doesn't offer anything that the Kuruma or Zentorno (in reverse) can't do, outside of take an rpg shot. This matters if you're a freeroamer. Throughout this thread, I've pointed out that I am not, which is why the thread starts with "IMO", in my opinion.

 

At the end of the day, if you're looking for a car to protect you completely in contact missions, this isn't it. It is however the fastest sedan in the game, and that's how I justify keeping it.

 

We're going in circles now though. I think I've already said all that I can about the issue.

Edited December 22, 2015 by RandomBrotha

[Udrift]

Ah yes. The good ol' Karuma "technique"

[Khaisz]

Ohey another v12 topic.

Considering what you are mostly doing, the v12 like you say might not be right, since the armored version of it is only good for taking a rocket.

Im not sure if it supposed to have bullet proof windows like kuruma as well. But oh well.

[gtmike]

It's the fastest sedan, so it's worth it. At least until a faster sedan comes out. Your opinion is plain wrong, and also completely irrelevant to everyone else. Thanks for sharing?

[RandomBrotha]

It's the fastest sedan, so it's worth it. At least until a faster sedan comes out. Your opinion is plain wrong, and also completely irrelevant to everyone else. Thanks for sharing?

Last time I checked, this was a discussion forum. If everyone agreed with everyone else or never said anything there wouldn't be much to talk about would there? Some of you guys are so angry man lol. You gotta lighten up or life is gonna be long, and really hard.

 

And yeah, if you read my last post I said that it's the fastest sedan, which is why I'm keeping it.

Edited December 22, 2015 by RandomBrotha

[gtmike]

 

It's the fastest sedan, so it's worth it. At least until a faster sedan comes out. Your opinion is plain wrong, and also completely irrelevant to everyone else. Thanks for sharing?

Last time I checked, this was a discussion forum. If everyone agreed with everyone else or never said anything there wouldn't be much to talk about would there? Some of you guys are so angry man lol. You gotta lighten up or life is gonna be long, and really hard.

 

And yeah, if you read my last post I said that it's the fastest sedan, which is why I'm keeping it.

 

 

So it's worth it, making the title of this thread, and your opinion, wrong. Deal with it.

[_Tacts]

It's nothing special. The armoured Cognoscenti beats it in terms of aesthetics and class, and if I want to hear the rumble of a V12 I'll just request delivery of my Windsor.

It's the fastest sedan, so it's worth it. At least until a faster sedan comes out. Your opinion is plain wrong, and also completely irrelevant to everyone else. Thanks for sharing?

Think about it... This is a public forum where individuals can openly discuss their opinions. Declaring that one's thoughts are 'wrong' and should not be expressed as it contradicts your own beliefs makes you look like - Imo - one very narrow-minded and arrogant individual. Edited December 22, 2015 by Tacts_21

[CarimboHanky]

using a car in Los Santos Connection is not worth it

[RandomBrotha]

It's nothing special. The armoured Cognoscenti beats it in terms of aesthetics and class, and if I want to hear the rumble of a V12 I'll just request delivery of my Windsor.

It's the fastest sedan, so it's worth it. At least until a faster sedan comes out. Your opinion is plain wrong, and also completely irrelevant to everyone else. Thanks for sharing?

Think about it... This is a public forum where individuals can openly discuss their opinions. Declaring that one's thoughts are 'wrong' and should not be expressed as it contradicts your own beliefs makes you look like - Imo - one very narrow-minded and arrogant individual.

 

I didn't really want to get into it with that guy, but thanks for saying that.

[gtmike]

Wrong is wrong guys, hate to be the one to break it to you, but that's how it is. Opinions can be wrong too. Sorry your feelings got hurt. Last time i'll be bumping this nonsense.

[Hector Tavares]

 

Idk, missions aren't difficult to me. Seems any car suffices, don't even need an armored car in 99.8% of them.

I did hit em up this morning on the Nagasaki Blazer.Reminds me of the time I did Bust Out on a Caddy I stole.

[justinlynch3]

This:

 

 

 

 

Is worth more than this:

 

 

 

 

Don't buy it for armour? You could do a lot worse than it couldn't you?

That only matters in free roam.

 

In missions (which this guys talking about) your not getting blasted by rockets and the V12 windows are weak. Meanwhile with a Savage you can easily hover outside ai range and blast them all till they dead.

[wiesenior]

i tell you the advantages of the armored. The Windows might be weak(er) BUT they still hold a few bullets. The most common way to die (to me) is someone ambushing you,usually if i drive out of my Garage.(skilled ppl yea) Those few bullets will most likely save our life coz we can accelerate or fight back,not die immadiately

[tcsk]

To an extent I find the same. The normal one is pretty useless. The normal Schafter looks better,and has the same race time pretty much. The armoured one at least is somehow in sedans, and is ridiculously fast in said class.

 

There is like two times of 'armoured vehicles' in this game for some reason. Armoured Kuruma kind, and the Schafter V12 Armoured kind.

Kuruma takes bullets like a champ, and actually has protective windows. And then there is the Schafter kind, [along with the other new armoured cars, and the Insurgent] They are pretty much just standard cars that are heavier and can take more than one nade/explosion.

 

Honestly, I prefer the former for missions, because you're straight up rarely even gonna get the chance to have rockets thrown at you or something of the sort, whereas you're almost always under fire.

I guess the insurgent and the other armoured variants work out a lot better for freeroam simply because someone cant just RPG you as soon as you come around a corner.

 

But really, I wish that the other armoured versions also had the Kuruma type armour, and also took a bit more of a beating, even if they were at a higher price.

It sucks that they're redundant in mission play, but Rockstar isn't likely to change any of this.

[jdwarfer]

Well yeah, the new "armored" cars are kind of crap. Far less solid than the Kuruma, so it's quite useless on missions and heists.

It might be good enough to escape from a dangerous situation (like IRL armored cars), but not good to attack. If you wanna shoot from it, you have to break the windows anyway XD

[soundism]

IMO the Kurumuao ruined the game.

 

This "I can't park it in front of 20 enemies with ARs" argument just seems silly.

 

Schafter V12 is an awesome car.. One of my favorites. The fact that there is an armored version is icing on the cake. They really did vehicle armor right this time.

 

 

 

 

Notice the shooter doesn't empty the magazine. A few more rounds and they would start penetrating the windsheild.

Edited December 22, 2015 by soundism

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

 

 

It's the fastest sedan, so it's worth it. At least until a faster sedan comes out. Your opinion is plain wrong, and also completely irrelevant to everyone else. Thanks for sharing?

Last time I checked, this was a discussion forum. If everyone agreed with everyone else or never said anything there wouldn't be much to talk about would there? Some of you guys are so angry man lol. You gotta lighten up or life is gonna be long, and really hard.

 

And yeah, if you read my last post I said that it's the fastest sedan, which is why I'm keeping it.

 

 

So it's worth it, making the title of this thread, and your opinion, wrong. Deal with it.

 

Some of you are in serious need of a punch to the face.

[*Lola]

using a car in Los Santos Connection is not worth it

I prefer my Hexer.

[We Are Ninja]

Now before you guys light me up, please try to understand my perspective and reasoning behind that statement.

 

All I'm interested in is making money. I don't fool around in Freeroam doing PVP and what not, so I can't speak to the car's abilities in that area. What I can talk about though is its capabilities in missions...

 

I have a little buyer's remorse after buying this car (armored version). Its not that I don't like it, its just that it really doesn't do anything that something else does better. Its cool that we have 50 car slots now, because otherwise I think these 2 cars might be a waste of space. Again, for someone that is interested in grinding money via contact missions, get yourself a Zentorno for 400k more, or a Kuruma for only 200k more, or if you really want to go all out, get an attack chopper. Don't buy the V12 for armor, and stick with your normal sports car over the unarmored version if you're on the fence.

Just so that I understand it, your playstyle dictates that a car's worth is based solely on it's ability to protect it's occupants. In your opinion, an armored Kuruma or a Zentorno (driven in reverse) are essentially the only automobiles worth owning. I won't harp on the fact that you need a half a million dollar crutch to get you through a contact mission, or that you're essentially writing off the other 100+ cars in the game, all of which have less armor than the latest crop of armored cars. Instead, I'll commend you on not being bored of your mind doing grinding missions in that little tin-can and that old-hotness supercar. Broaden your horizons, bro. Try a mission or two without your expensive, metal cocoons. Stop hiding in your cars. You might just enjoy yourself.

Edited December 22, 2015 by We Are Ninja

[RandomBrotha]

 

Now before you guys light me up, please try to understand my perspective and reasoning behind that statement.

 

All I'm interested in is making money. I don't fool around in Freeroam doing PVP and what not, so I can't speak to the car's abilities in that area. What I can talk about though is its capabilities in missions...

 

I have a little buyer's remorse after buying this car (armored version). Its not that I don't like it, its just that it really doesn't do anything that something else does better. Its cool that we have 50 car slots now, because otherwise I think these 2 cars might be a waste of space. Again, for someone that is interested in grinding money via contact missions, get yourself a Zentorno for 400k more, or a Kuruma for only 200k more, or if you really want to go all out, get an attack chopper. Don't buy the V12 for armor, and stick with your normal sports car over the unarmored version if you're on the fence.

Just so that I understand it, your playstyle dictates that a car's worth is based solely on it's ability to protect it's occupants. In your opinion, an armored Kuruma or a Zentorno (driven in reverse) are essentially the only automobiles worth owning. I won't harp on the fact that you need a half a million dollar crutch to get you through a contact mission, or that you're essentially writing off the other 100+ cars in the game, all of which have less armor than the latest crop of armored cars. Instead, I'll commend you on not being bored of your mind doing grinding missions in that little tin-can and that old-hotness supercar. Broaden your horizons, bro. Try a mission or two without your expensive, metal cocoons. Stop hiding in your cars. You might just enjoy yourself.

I dont think anything anyone could say could ever be more inaccurate or more off base than what you just said lol..

 

Guys, Im kinda over this thread but people keep bumping it. I said what I had to say a long time ago. Lets just agree to disagree.