Should The Savage get a Buff in the next update?

[Hunter]

 

 

 

No, you're not. I've never said they're doing 180's, but they're still pretty

maneuverable. A 8G turn in a F-22 to outmaneuver it? OK, but doing a loop in a

Hind? Or descending quickly? Not a chance. How would you spot a launched Stinger

from a few miles? And even if you do, if you don't have superman reaction time,

its just two seconds & you're done. The hit propability in combat was around

86%, and if one misses, you're firing another. Its just $40,000, meanwhile

modern helicopters/jets cost a dozen of millions each. There are several

missiles, being able to U-turn (not on a dime though), if fed with radar data.

The Stinger without canards & IR/UV seeker isn't one of them.

 

 

 

R* should just decrease the maneuverability of the homing launcher, instead

of buffing the Savage. Can the Stinger make turns like in GTA? No, but a few

cavemen with a few hundred outdated Stingers (no UV, prone to flares) still shot

down over 70 Hinds & 200 other aircraft in just 3yrs. With the right weapon,

the flying tank quickly becomes a falling brick, as in GTA.

 

 

 

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I don't even need the Savage in GTA. What for? The Buzzard can usually do the

job. No buff needed, just decrease the homing launchers capability, OR even

better, both... as the Savage would be overpowered with better armor (i agree,

its a bad joke)

 

 

I agree that it'd be good to see the homing launcher nerfed. If I had my way, it'd be shooting Buzzard style missiles - they'd doom a helicopter if fired behind it/in a sneak attack, but would be reasonably dodge - able if fired from the front/any old angle. That's what I'd imagine a real stinger to be like (but with better range of course).

 

But a lot of people don't want to see that happen to the homing launcher - a lot of people are still under the illusion that it works against jets, so defend it for that. An armour buff or at least flares, on the other hand, is much more achievable. It leaves people with a supposed counter to jets, while making the helicopters better to use.

 

At any rate, completely ignoring how many missiles it can take, I think the Savage should take more bullets than it does. Even if just one missile blew it up, but it didn't go down from a handful of bullets (as it does now), that'd be better than what we have now.

[BlaringFiddle]

 

 

 

 

 

Without question yes. Absolutely. Definitely. 100%.

 

Even with stronger armour, the Savage would have a lot of other short comings to keep it balanced. The cannon has a short range (unlike a Hind), the cannon can't be aimed (unlike a Hind), it has no flares (unlike a Hind), most important of all - it has almost no chance of dodging a homing launcher (unlike a Hind).

 

There are already so many downsides to this helicopter that I think Rockstar can afford to give it just one strength. The armour it has right now is just crazy anyway - I tested and four bullets of the new revolver literally made it explode.

 

From 1980 to 1989, 74 Hinds were lost in Afghanistan, and atleast 29 were shot down by MANPADS, delivered & used in 1986. 195 other soviet aircraft had been lost to the Stinger alone. Even countermeasures didn't help completely, and newer MANPADS are almost immune to them. Hind dodging a homing launcher? You have to be kidding.

 

 

 

 

 

A real Hind can avoid a stinger - since, unlike a homing launcher, I've yet to see any real life heat - seeking missiles that can make a U - turn.

 

There were most likely thousands of Hinds in Afghanistan - 74 might have been lost, but what about all the others that weren't?

 

The Soviet Union was a powerful country, so they wouldn't have used the Hinds if they stood no chance against missiles. Besides, didn't about 1,000,000 Afghans die in that war? 74 helicopters for 1,000,000 people's not bad.

 

 

 

The F-22 or other jets with thrust vectoring may outmaneuver a Stinger, but certainly not a Hind. Stinger can hit targets 90° away from their direction, and there are versions with passive radar seeker aswell. No idea about the number of Hinds back then, but they kept around 700 after USSR collapse, and nowadays they're just 620 left. I doubt they had more than 1000 units in Afghanistan. 74 of 700 lost in just three years is pretty heavy, especially if you consider that only 250 Stingers were delivered. (and also shot down 195 other aircraft, not named Hind)

 

How does the number of dead afghans have anything to do with Hinds & Stingers? The leader of Operation Cyclone said, "before Sept 26, 1986 we've never won a battle, then Stingers were delivered & we've won every one afterwards" - many experts say, this weapon turned the tides & ended the war.

 

BTT: Its GTA not Battlefield, if all, the Savage needs stronger armor, but thats it. But then i want the homing launcher to have a range of 5 miles...

 

 

At least there are no articles about them falling out of the sky at an alarming rate due to mechanical failure *cough* blackhawk *cough* ...

[Hunter]

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Edited December 29, 2015 by Icantthinkofonew

[.Vooodu.]

Yes, and fix the lampost flip

 

While i don't mind if the savage took an extra rocket. Asking them to "fix' human error when flying is not really a fixable issue.

 

This is one of those things.... where NOT hitting lamp posts solves the problem. I mean... lamp posts? You're in the air. staying 15-20 feet above land should help with this problem

[redman7771red17]

It needs more of an overhaul.

Most of the combat balancing issues just come from laziness and cantering. Everything is over simplistic.In GTA4 helicopters could fall apart and crash land, now they just instantly explode if you try to damage individual sections, that is dumb.

The lack of cool down timers and overheating causes issues

The gun with the insanely low limited range and laser like fire rate should be done away with and replaced with a cannon that fires a bit slower but still maintains the explosive rounds with a cool down between burst or an overheat meter so people cant spam. Missiles should of been able to volley a few shots but with an extensive reload timer, it should work like a gun magazine.

Also that auto pilot mechanic should be gone because that's the main reason why people say it feels stiff in the controls. It is a low maneuverable aircraft on a semi rail basically.

Plus it should actually take some sort of skill to use something with that kind of fire power.

I don't know about the armor other than the fact that pistol and shot gun rounds should do no damage to the helicopter.

 

 

[Sentinel Actual]

It needs more of an overhaul.

Most of the combat balancing issues just come from laziness and cantering. Everything is over simplistic.In GTA4 helicopters could fall apart and crash land, now they just instantly explode if you try to damage individual sections, that is dumb.

The lack of cool down timers and overheating causes issues

The gun with the insanely low limited range and laser like fire rate should be done away with and replaced with a cannon that fires a bit slower but still maintains the explosive rounds with a cool down between burst or an overheat meter so people cant spam. Missiles should of been able to volley a few shots but with an extensive reload timer, it should work like a gun magazine.

Also that auto pilot mechanic should be gone because that's the main reason why people say it feels stiff in the controls. It is a low maneuverable aircraft on a semi rail basically.

Plus it should actually take some sort of skill to use something with that kind of fire power.

I don't know about the armor other than the fact that pistol and shot gun rounds should do no damage to the helicopter.

 

 

 

 

No for the cannon, have it be like the Savage cannon in Pacific Standard Convoy, where it can rotate and fire but it fires standard bullets, that the copilot can operate and if you're piloting it alone, have it be the cannon it has now.

[dewtech]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No need to get spicy.

 

And yes, it does make you insane. The Savage can be blown up in 4 bullets; the Ruffian, 37. Logic says that this itself is madness, so anyone who can defend this must be pretty much fruit loop. A maniac.

 

 

Richard, you're the one "getting spicy", and all because I don't share your opinion. Seriously, dude, you need to get a grip because the majority of people you meet will not share the majority of your opinions.

 

I do not believe the Savage requires a buff. You attempting to explain why you feel the way you do will not change that. You are acting like a twat.

 

This is a poll - there is a question in the title. I have answered it.

 

 

 

You're the one insulting people - what's with the spicy language?

 

You're not in "the majority" either: pretty sure 15% doesn't count as a majority.

 

Anyway, you must be crazy. That or you honestly believe a motorbike is 9 times stronger than a Hind, in which case ... I think the more favourable deductions is to say you're a little crazy.

 

 

You can't read, clearly. I never insulted you - I said you are acting like a twat, which is true. If I'd have actually called you a twat then it would have been an insult. The use of the word "spicy" is ridiculously childish. You should call me "salty" or say that my "jimmies are rustled". There are lots of other things you can pick up from the internet too, and they'll make you look just as clever!

 

I do not believe that the Savage needs a buff. I also do not care how that honest opinion makes you feel. It's my answer to the question posed in this thread and you need to get over that, as I don't have a problem with it.

 

Finally, to go back to the "you can't read" statement, I didn't say that I'm in the majority. Learn to read.

 

 

 

So spicy. And crazy.

 

Imagine if I told you I believed something blatantly untrue; for example, that I believed little green aliens abducted me. The most reasonable conclusion you could reach is that I must be either mentally challenged, or deranged/insane. This is no different, so you're crazy.

 

 

Say what you like about it, because it's Vienna. It means nothing to me.

 

 

And there lies a fantastic joke that'll go straight passed 95% of the people in this thread.

 

I agree with Monkey, none of the air vehicles need a buff as they'll just go into the hands of the griefers, it's good to know that it is possible to fight them when on foot, I'd see every military aircraft reduced to the same level of amour, and then see the field level off a bit more.

[Furry_Monkey]

And there lies a fantastic joke that'll go straight passed 95% of the people in this thread.

 

I reached 1 person. It was all worthwhile

[Hunter]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No need to get spicy.

 

And yes, it does make you insane. The Savage can be blown up in 4 bullets; the Ruffian, 37. Logic says that this itself is madness, so anyone who can defend this must be pretty much fruit loop. A maniac.

 

 

Richard, you're the one "getting spicy", and all because I don't share your opinion. Seriously, dude, you need to get a grip because the majority of people you meet will not share the majority of your opinions.

 

I do not believe the Savage requires a buff. You attempting to explain why you feel the way you do will not change that. You are acting like a twat.

 

This is a poll - there is a question in the title. I have answered it.

 

 

 

You're the one insulting people - what's with the spicy language?

 

You're not in "the majority" either: pretty sure 15% doesn't count as a majority.

 

Anyway, you must be crazy. That or you honestly believe a motorbike is 9 times stronger than a Hind, in which case ... I think the more favourable deductions is to say you're a little crazy.

 

 

You can't read, clearly. I never insulted you - I said you are acting like a twat, which is true. If I'd have actually called you a twat then it would have been an insult. The use of the word "spicy" is ridiculously childish. You should call me "salty" or say that my "jimmies are rustled". There are lots of other things you can pick up from the internet too, and they'll make you look just as clever!

 

I do not believe that the Savage needs a buff. I also do not care how that honest opinion makes you feel. It's my answer to the question posed in this thread and you need to get over that, as I don't have a problem with it.

 

Finally, to go back to the "you can't read" statement, I didn't say that I'm in the majority. Learn to read.

 

 

 

So spicy. And crazy.

 

Imagine if I told you I believed something blatantly untrue; for example, that I believed little green aliens abducted me. The most reasonable conclusion you could reach is that I must be either mentally challenged, or deranged/insane. This is no different, so you're crazy.

 

 

Say what you like about it, because it's Vienna. It means nothing to me.

 

 

And there lies a fantastic joke that'll go straight passed 95% of the people in this thread.

 

I agree with Monkey, none of the air vehicles need a buff as they'll just go into the hands of the griefers, it's good to know that it is possible to fight them when on foot, I'd see every military aircraft reduced to the same level of amour, and then see the field level off a bit more.

 

 

 

Yeah, straight over my head. What's it mean?

 

By the way, the military aircraft already have the same level of armour. In fact, the Hydra may even be stronger than the Savage/Valkyrie - it seems to take the same number of bullets, but will often not blow up on impact from a missile. Seems a little skewed to me, since the Hydra can easily dodge homing launcher missiles (whereas helicopters can't), but opinions are opinions I guess.

[redman7771red17]

 

It needs more of an overhaul.

Most of the combat balancing issues just come from laziness and cantering. Everything is over simplistic.In GTA4 helicopters could fall apart and crash land, now they just instantly explode if you try to damage individual sections, that is dumb.

The lack of cool down timers and overheating causes issues

The gun with the insanely low limited range and laser like fire rate should be done away with and replaced with a cannon that fires a bit slower but still maintains the explosive rounds with a cool down between burst or an overheat meter so people cant spam. Missiles should of been able to volley a few shots but with an extensive reload timer, it should work like a gun magazine.

Also that auto pilot mechanic should be gone because that's the main reason why people say it feels stiff in the controls. It is a low maneuverable aircraft on a semi rail basically.

Plus it should actually take some sort of skill to use something with that kind of fire power.

I don't know about the armor other than the fact that pistol and shot gun rounds should do no damage to the helicopter.

 

 

 

 

No for the cannon, have it be like the Savage cannon in Pacific Standard Convoy, where it can rotate and fire but it fires standard bullets, that the copilot can operate and if you're piloting it alone, have it be the cannon it has now.

 

Standard bullets wouldn't make any sense for a gunship but the current cannon is ridiculous, that shouldn't of been in the game in the first place.

[A Maned Wolf]

I'm still in favor of a speed and AOA buff over armor.

Upping the armor still doesn't fix the problem of it handling like a freaking sky whale.

Edited December 28, 2015 by A Maned Wolf

[Re-Dragon-Cro]

I'm still in favor of a speed and AOA buff over armor.

Upping the armor still doesn't fix the problem of it handling like a freaking sky whale.

Yes but even then it doesn't matter if it can be shot down by a freaking handgun.So armour buff has to be a priority.

[death1]

there is only one area that it needs to be buffed.

firepower 5 star- best chopper interms of firepower.

speed 3 stars - given its fast enough to get to locations when on a timer but not the faster aircraft in the game

maneuverability 3 stars - it is reasonably responsive but could be better

aviation 5 stars - has the best lift of all choppers in that it still climbs in altitude even when moving forward.

survivabilty 1star - the weakest aspect of the chopper easily shot out of the sky can barely keep it up for to long unless you use its ability wisely.

 

so yes only an armor buff is needed everything else is spot on.

 

what i would love to see happen is the player given the ability to buy a hanger space at LSIA specifically for the pegasus vehicles such as the tanks insurgents helicopters and planes. within this hanger could be place a small workstation that would allow the player to modify these vehicles to their own unique specifications i.e additional armor colour changes betterr engines suspension etc....

[oleg_aka_djmeg]

nice necrobump

[fw3]

It's a Dump with weapons n' wings. Buff that bastage.

Edited December 28, 2016 by fw3

[Happy Hunter]

Well now I've voted in this thread twice lol. No prize for guessing what I voted.

 

Buff that thing. Absolutely. Definitely. Yes. Buff it.

 

 

 

 

[Fireboy769]

Ok wow. Even I forgot I made this thread. And it's been a year since the last post. Well, a year and 10-ish days

[SHADOW OPS]

I voted no. But then again I am never in one.

[Happy Hunter]

I've been going overboard emailing Rockstar at [email protected] and [email protected]

As well as spreading the word.

 

#helisexuality

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

yes, but the one that came up with this kind of sh*tty poll options should get his privileges to make polls removed....jeez, what an biased piece of sh*t.

[Mattoropael]

yes, but the one that came up with this kind of sh*tty poll options should get his privileges to make polls removed....jeez, what an biased piece of sh*t.

 

It's biased in the sense that "No" has been grossly exaggerated, since "Yes" answers are divided into 3 different bars while all "No"s are in one.

 

And it's still massively outmatched by not just one, but two of the "Yes" options.

Edited December 31, 2016 by Mattoropael