Is It Fair To Give 20% In Heists?

[Shneb]

Yes. It's also fair to give 15% though if they didn't help with setups. I've never given less than 20% unless someone told me too, but I've taken 15% before.

Edited January 1, 2016 by Shneb

[BlaringFiddle]

i always give 20% ... I have a friend who never takes any money for some reason (already has to much i guess). He will say give me 0% ... Somtimes another person will say give me 0% also ... then I split 50/50 with me and the guy who didn't say 0%... I don't understand the 0% but whatever ;D

[Jimbatron]

If you've got a group of friends working together for Pacific Standard, the fairest split is 40-20-20-20.

 

Assuming you do it right, the leader gets 0.4 * 1,250,000 = 500,000 for the finale, minus 100,000 for the set up cost = 400,000

Crew get 5 * 26,130 = 130,650 for the setups, plus 0.2 * 1,250,000 = 250,000 for the finale = 380,650.

 

That's the closest to an even split you are going to get. Obviously if some Johnny has just come in for the finale you might give him a lower cut than people who have helped with all the set ups. The bottom line is with good players you can get these done in half the time it takes with rubbish randoms, making it much more economical even if you are bagging 40% as opposed to 55%. Pay good money for a good crew and they'll probably add you and return the next time you need someone to make up the numbers.

[A.I.R]

Doing heist whit high level player suck. Even if they are final hopper they want 20 or 25% and that wrong. Im happy whit 15% and im level 516

[Shadowfennekin]

20 is very fair. If the person is high level a good pay would insure they take it seriously as they want to get paid too. If you're trying to get max profit you'll be trying for awhile.

[SkynetOnlineID]

Depends which heist it is. If we're talking about Pacific standard then it's definitely fair.

[roboticsuperman]

If it wasn't for the fact I was a poor peasant who can't even afford a pointless yaht I would give 25% for all. Who cares. It's only money. But since I need the money the 15% is the default and that's what I stick with. No ifs ors or buts.

[rapidwiz]

Doing heist whit high level player suck. Even if they are final hopper they want 20 or 25% and that wrong. Im happy whit 15% and im level 516

I am level 540+ and would accept 15% if I didn't help with the setups, but will only tolerate 3 rounds of people dying ..

If it wasn't for the fact I was a poor peasant who can't even afford a pointless yaht I would give 25% for all. Who cares. It's only money. But since I need the money the 15% is the default and that's what I stick with. No ifs ors or buts.

Sure but people need to work for the money, not be lazy. I had this recent friend who didn't stay long on my friend list, kept asking me to invite him to finale's only , i just laughed, eventually I blocked him because he swore at me because I refused to invite him after he asked me to start a heist and decided to go play NBA and then expected me to allow him back in the heists, I told him not to ask me for any favours .. anyway typical squeaker.

 

Do the work or f*ck off, I expect 20% if I help with the setups, as simple as that.

[bombkangaroo]

Why is everyone obsessed with what's "fair"? What, are you all communists or something?

Heists should, as in SP, be a meritocracy, where rewards are based on performance.

Whether this should be determined by the computer based on metrics, or the heist leader using one of several possible systems, it would make for a more competitive environment than the current medal system.

 

I'd like to try out a system like this: Leader's cut is fixed at something reasonable in the range of 40-50%, and the crew each gets around 10% as a baseline, with the leader distributing the remaining cash among them after the heist is completed. I know this could be abused to give the whole lot to the Leader's friends or such, but so can the existing system if players aren't alert when viewing the planning board. When playing with randoms, this should be an incentive to perform well.

 

I'd also be interested in some mutators that mix up the way the pay is distributed, like what I'm dubbing "Every Man For Himself" on the Pacific Standard finale. Four piles of money are in the vault, each player takes one quarter of the total payout (no stacking it all on one character, and naturally this version should compensate the Leader for the Set Up cost somehow). If anyone dies, they drop their remaining money so that the others can pick it up. Here's the real twist: No team lives, and the heist can be completed with any number of players. You die, you get nothing. You go back for someone, you might die. You go back for their money after they die, and you might die. Decisions, decisions.

[Turkey Shenanigans]

 

No. That's too much. I usually give everybody 10% because they're randoms who didn't do and set up missions. If they complain, too bad.

Have fun finishing them solo who going to waste the time for 10%..

 

 

Already did bud.

[rapidwiz]

20 is very fair. If the person is high level a good pay would insure they take it seriously as they want to get paid too. If you're trying to get max profit you'll be trying for awhile.

 

Then help with setups or expect 15%. High level means jack, I have seen noobs at 300+ 400+ 500+ and believe it or not 900+ although I totally believe the 900 level account was modded, clearly was an amateur and couldn't play to save his life.

 

Just because you a higher level does not entitle you to an extra 5%, if you aren't taking it seriously at 15%, you sure as heck won't be taking seriously at 20% or 25%, you still play like crap.

Why is everyone obsessed with what's "fair"? What, are you all communists or something?

Heists should, as in SP, be a meritocracy, where rewards are based on performance.

Whether this should be determined by the computer based on metrics, or the heist leader using one of several possible systems, it would make for a more competitive environment than the current medal system.

 

I'd like to try out a system like this: Leader's cut is fixed at something reasonable in the range of 40-50%, and the crew each gets around 10% as a baseline, with the leader distributing the remaining cash among them after the heist is completed. I know this could be abused to give the whole lot to the Leader's friends or such, but so can the existing system if players aren't alert when viewing the planning board. When playing with randoms, this should be an incentive to perform well.

 

I'd also be interested in some mutators that mix up the way the pay is distributed, like what I'm dubbing "Every Man For Himself" on the Pacific Standard finale. Four piles of money are in the vault, each player takes one quarter of the total payout (no stacking it all on one character, and naturally this version should compensate the Leader for the Set Up cost somehow). If anyone dies, they drop their remaining money so that the others can pick it up. Here's the real twist: No team lives, and the heist can be completed with any number of players. You die, you get nothing. You go back for someone, you might die. You go back for their money after they die, and you might die. Decisions, decisions.

 

 

Because people feel entitled to something that they don't deserve, human nature I guess.

 

Changing your mod slightly, everyone takes their cut, the leader get his $100K back or setup back which would be part of his cut. If you get shot, only you lose money, if you arrive at the boat with $0, so be it, if I arrive with $250K, so be it ..

[Smale45]

It's hard to fathom that there are still discussions going on if 20% is fair... Yes it's f*cking fair, do the math. Either cough up 20% like a normal human being or be the scrooge McDuck that you are and stop crying.

 

P.S. Your priorities should be to get the finale done and get that money. Not to get in your emotions and cry because you don't have friends who would grind the heist with you and now you have to rely on random ppl to get the job done.

Edited January 3, 2016 by Smale45

[JohnDoe7125539271]

I almost always (99%) pay 20% to anyone, but most times they don't even get to the payout, because 8 out of 10 times we fail it, even if its just a damn setup...

[Lord DC]

I used to run heists. It was awful

[Arachne]

40-20-20-20 is very good! you should have no problems with others

 

70-10-10-10 is a good way to punish yourself,because you will never be able to start your heist with all that greed.

Edited January 3, 2016 by Arachne

[hugh750]

I almost always (99%) pay 20% to anyone, but most times they don't even get to the payout, because 8 out of 10 times we fail it, even if its just a damn setup...

i know that feeling, when i used to host heists they would end in failure 50% of the time because of trolls and i've always set pay to 20% four all 4 players.

[EkaSwede]

 

I almost always (99%) pay 20% to anyone, but most times they don't even get to the payout, because 8 out of 10 times we fail it, even if its just a damn setup...

i know that feeling, when i used to host heists they would end in failure 50% of the time because of trolls and i've always set pay to 20% four all 4 players.

 

And who gets the last 20%? Lamar? J/K.

[TeammateHelper]

Pay me 15% or higher. IDC. Whatever makes the heist go smoother. Just don't lowball me.

 

Usually I get 20% without asking. I mean, that's cool, too. 5% tip for the, uh. Valet.

[Endjinn]

20% minimum for Pac Standard, regardless of whether they were with you for the set ups.

 

15% for other Heists is OK, but Hosts who try to take 70% can Fu*K Off.

 

I give 20% whenever I'm dumb enough to host a Heist (hate hosting) , but I'll take 15% on others.

 

Pac Standard needs to be 20% to take into account dropped cash if you find yourself playing with Hosts who don't know what they're doing. That attractive looking 15% can whittle down to very little very quickly.

Edited January 4, 2016 by Aliashu

[Heists Are The Future]

i always give 20% ... I have a friend who never takes any money for some reason (already has to much i guess). He will say give me 0% ... Somtimes another person will say give me 0% also ... then I split 50/50 with me and the guy who didn't say 0%... I don't understand the 0% but whatever ;D

He's probably a modder or something and has like a billion dollars

[BlaringFiddle]

 

i always give 20% ... I have a friend who never takes any money for some reason (already has to much i guess). He will say give me 0% ... Somtimes another person will say give me 0% also ... then I split 50/50 with me and the guy who didn't say 0%... I don't understand the 0% but whatever ;D

He's probably a modder or something and has like a billion dollars

 

He definitely is not ... I am guessing that he has been playing since last gen and just already has all of the money that he needs. I just don't understand why take 0% ... I am more than willing to share. I guess he does the heists more for the fun than the money

[Big_Show]

Am I the only person annoyed when people ask for 20% in Heists? There's always strangers I meet on freemode joining my Heists and asking for 20% when they haven't done any setups.

 

Even my friend is greedy like that, whenever I invite him to setups he never joins (unless it's a fun setup like Humane EMP) but when there's a Heist he's nearly like the first person to join and always asks for 20% even though he's done no setups.

 

20% is the fairest cut. 15% your ripping people off. Pay peanuts, Get Monkeys! People get paid for setups, so those that join in the Finale missed out on that money. Don't be a tight arse pay the proper cut.

 

The only time I give someone 15% is if they f*cked up multiple times in the setups and get bronze every time, if they don't like I'll replace them with someone better. The extra 5% will go to the player I think contributed the most.

[luisniko]

15% is where it's at. Fair for everyone.

 

20% is max.

 

Demanding above 20% means you're really selfish and don't think about the host who had to pay upfront money and didn't get anything through out the setups.

 

I always remember about the Host. Not only about my own stomach.

[Dirtbag101]

If I land in a finale I'll gladly take 15% (I'm level 545) try give me 5 or 10 and u will. F your shiz up and laugh about it. If I have done setups and you want to give me 15% I'll not press continue until time runs out and again on outfit screen. Waste my time I'll waste you're kinda thing, oh and I will always give 20% if I host because it's the right thing to do.

[fear_the_nut70]

 

 

Really, Rockstar should have locked it to the default payout from the start. The mere ability to change it is what ruined Heists. Because people are greedy twats.

 

The way it's supposed to work is that the host pays an initial setup fee, then they get nothing from the setup missions, and then a huge payout during the finale. But the other people don't pay a cent, get money for each set up mission, and then a smaller cut for the finale. But in the end, if you add up all of the rewards from the setup missions, EVERYONE GETS THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT, provided they did the same amount of work, ie. all of the setup missions.

 

But because you can change the cut, people will just quit out of the setup missions, and only do the finales, pressuring the host into giving them a larger cut or they quit, because they feel like coming in at the end and doing 5% of the work, they are surely entitled to a larger percentage of the total reward for the entire heist, than the host himself. It's especially enraging when you, as the host, sat there for hours waiting for people to help you do the setup missions, because these same asshats who are now demanding more money, quit out as soon as they saw it was a setup mission. And it's the ability to change the cut that creates this problem.

 

In no other game have I ever met such scumbags. This particular part of the game is literally filled with the worst people in all of gaming. I have played hundreds of games, and I hate people who only join heist finales more than any other people in gaming. I'd rather spend time with actual nazis. I think they'd probably be better people.

 

I couldn't agree less. Maybe it's the sociology classes I took as an undergrad, but I find the experiment fascinating. I agree with the guy above--you try and stick it to me, and I will let that timer count all the way down and jump out, thereby wasting as much of your time as possible. I also have used it as a method to pay people for things that they did for me (here is part of my cut for helping me do this), which is invaluable since the game has long since prohibited transferring money. So no, I would not want Rock Star fixing the cuts.

 

 

 

How is anyone sticking it to you? Did you perhaps not understand what I said? The amount of money everyone gets in a heist is the same, if everyone does the same amount of work. A crew member who does all setup missions + the finale at 15% gets the same amount of money as the host at 55%

 

This is what we in the maths business call an even split.

 

Let me explain it in a simpler way for those idiots who still don't get it. Imagine you have a heist with 5 parts. 4 set up missions and a finale. For each set up mission, the crew members get 1 money. So for the four set up missions they get 4 money total. Then in the finale they get 2 money for a grand total of 6 money.

The host on the other hand, pays 1 money to even start the heist, and is at -1 money when the setup missions start. The host then gets f*ck all for doing the setup missions, but in the finale they get 7 money, for a grand total of 6 money, the exact same as the crew members.

 

So after everything is done, anyone who did all setup missions + the finale has gotten 6 money. The only difference is when they got it. In the case of the crew members it was spread out across the entire heist, something Rockstar inevitably did in order to ensure that people didn't skip the setup missions and just did the heist finales. What they probably didn't count on was onslaught of straight up bastards skipping the setup missions anyway, and then whining like the entitled little brats they are when the host doesn't want to cut into his own reward to give to them.

 

15% is the default cut for a reason. It's because that is what has been calculated by Rockstar to give everyone an exact equal share of the take. Not the finale take, but the entire heist take. None of you deserve any more. Even if you did the entire heist with the host, your cut should still be 15%, otherwise you're still getting more money than the host. How is that fair? Why the f*ck do you deserve a higher percentage of the reward than the host?

 

 

These are the numbers I posted for Pac Std. on hard above:

 

Set up on Pac Std is $100,000. On hard, you can get $26k for each set up, there are 5. That's $130,000. At 55%, the leader collects $687,500* total. This leaves 15% for the other 3 players, which is $187,500. Add that to set up pay, and each player IF they did all set ups would earn $317,500. When you subtract out set up cost, greedy leader under your scenario earns $587,500. How is that equitable exactly?

 

Under that scenario, the host is making about $270k than his Crew. That's just greedy. Not sure what you are trying to sell over there, but no one is buying. And the amusing part is that you talk down to people while displaying the inability to do simple math.

 

Oh, and BTW, never said anyone was "sticking it to me." I said the Host was getting a windfall, at the expense of whoever completed the set ups. If I didn't do the setups, I'd take 15%. But if I did a substantial portion of them, I expect 20% (but that's just because I have a grasp of basic math).