Is It Fair To Give 20% In Heists?

[NomadRider]

The best part is I'm rich too. I don't need the money but I wont work for less than a 20% cut. 15% buys fail. I'll take it to the final few seconds then die in some odd way usually most people restart at least once. I consider the host a troll for only paying 15% so I have no problem trolling a troll. Anyone who works for 15% is a dumbass so they can be trolled mercilessly as well. I quick join and I never know if I'm hitting a setup or a final until I'm in. I'll give 100% on any setup if it's on Hard and there aren't a bunch of level 1-25's. Normal gets you 1 attempt. You fail and I'm out. The funny thing is how many times you play all the setups and then the host forgets to invite the crew to the final. Then you join and hit a final and the host wants to screw you because you didn't do the setups. 20% on hard is minimum wage for any final stop being greedy ass hats and give a decent cut.

 

Here's the kicker that you f*cktards can't comprehend. If, and it does happen, a host offers me 25% on the final. I always make the counter offer of doing the final for free. You have shown generosity and I will honor that by giving you back my cut.

[JohnGazman]

To my regular group of Heisters, I usually go 25% each way. But I know these guys, so i'm comfortable giving 25% and they're always grateful for it.

 

Randoms, 20% or less. Depending on the Heist, how many setups they participated in, if they made any major f*ck ups on any setups etc.

[Texmaniac]

nah....everything is up for discussion. I have joined lots of set-ups....waiting for more players to join....staying after "friends of the host" fail repeatedly then quit....doing all the work while the host goofs around....and babysitting these idiots that host....all for 26K!?! The after completing all the set-ups never get invited to the actual heist. When I ask them what's up I get the lame...sorry bro, I only do heists with crew and friends. Then I join an actual heist only to be told 10% because you didn't do sh*t. Most of the time the leader is a complete idiot...but I never bail or trash a job because of the pay.

 

The couple of times I have questioned why the 10%, I also got the stop being greedy bullsh*t.

 

Bottom line....pay for my time or find someone else. Its only business.....

[GAMESHARQ]

The best part is I'm rich too. I don't need the money but I wont work for less than a 20% cut. 15% buys fail. I'll take it to the final few seconds then die in some odd way usually most people restart at least once. I consider the host a troll for only paying 15% so I have no problem trolling a troll. Anyone who works for 15% is a dumbass so they can be trolled mercilessly as well. I quick join and I never know if I'm hitting a setup or a final until I'm in. I'll give 100% on any setup if it's on Hard and there aren't a bunch of level 1-25's. Normal gets you 1 attempt. You fail and I'm out. The funny thing is how many times you play all the setups and then the host forgets to invite the crew to the final. Then you join and hit a final and the host wants to screw you because you didn't do the setups. 20% on hard is minimum wage for any final stop being greedy ass hats and give a decent cut.

 

Here's the kicker that you f*cktards can't comprehend. If, and it does happen, a host offers me 25% on the final. I always make the counter offer of doing the final for free. You have shown generosity and I will honor that by giving you back my cut.

 

I find it funny how you would call someone else a f*cktard.

[blusunone]

I say any heist payout is fair. They are free to agree to it or not, and if they think it is not fair they are free to try their luck elsewhere.

 

Ive given players 25% only to have them do literally nothing, or keep f*ck8ng up and not follow my instructions. Ive also given 15% and had them play very well. I usually give 20% but if anyone ever asks for more, i almost always kick them and start over. Id rather start over than risk having some immature c*nt troll me because they are unhappy with the payment i offer.

[Cudwieser]

Long and short 20% or keep looking for help. If you pay less you get trolls or amateurs and will have a sh*ttier time of things. 20% and you at least eliminate the trolls. Also, heists have been out long enough that most players are capable of what is asked and more than worth 20%.

[Dracojinn]

lets illustrate with an example; Humane labs, since its the best paying 4-player heist with static take

Leader

-54k upfront

0 from setups

145.8k(55% easy) / 297k(55% normal) / 371.25k(55% hard)

 

crew (individual) (not actual individual, just the "slot", can be a diff. person each setup, just ment to symbolize what is spent on 1/3 req. other Players over the duration of the heist)

50k(5 setups, ~10k for each, easy) / 100k(~20k per on normal) / 125k (~25k per on hard)

40.5k(15% easy) / 81k (15% on normal) / 101.25k (15% on hard)

 

so, for easy finale, and easy setups leader gets 91.8k and the individual crew member 90.5k purely monetary, thats fair, 1300 isn't significant

for normal. 243k Leader, 181k Crew, 62k difference, significant, but given the extra effort of the host this is in acceptable bounds

and on hard; 317.25k Leader, 226.25k Crew ,91k difference now, more skewed in favor of the leader but, here's something interesting, 5% on hard is 33.75k ,so giving one of the 3 crew members a 5% bonus brings it back to about 69k for the group (-33.75k for Leader, +32.75 between 3 Crew, so, 11.25k per crew)

 

if you rush through the set-ups on easy and play tthe finale on hard though the numbers are 317.25k for the Leader and 151.25k for the Crew individual, 166k diff. ,very unfair

 

so, in conclusion, if you can't handle anything but easy, you're a scrub anyway, so don't devolve into a greedy c**t,stay on 15%; all-Normal is fair with room for some merit-rewards; all-Hard is-a-go for a 20% for at least your MvP/freind

Edited December 27, 2015 by Dracojinn

[GAMESHARQ]

Also, heists have been out long enough that most players are capable of what is asked and more than worth 20%.

 

You'd like to think so, wouldn't you?

[GamerPatriot]

 

Also, heists have been out long enough that most players are capable of what is asked and more than worth 20%.

 

You'd like to think so, wouldn't you?

 

Haha

[A Madvillain]

What confuses me are the hosts who set it to the default 55/15/15/15 when the difficulty is set to normal.

 

Most, if not all the finales I've joined , people will almost always ready up when the host splits the cut 40/20/20/20.

 

As host, people who ready up before I dictate the cut gives me the impression that they don't need money. How I split his/her cut among the rest of the crew depends on my mood.

[MikeyDLuffy]

It's more than enough for the finale hopper going about his business. 15% being a given in the first place.

Edited December 28, 2015 by MikeyDLuffy

[SaltyGTAFMember]

I say any heist payout is fair. They are free to agree to it or not, and if they think it is not fair they are free to try their luck elsewhere.

 

Ive given players 25% only to have them do literally nothing, or keep f*ck8ng up and not follow my instructions. Ive also given 15% and had them play very well. I usually give 20% but if anyone ever asks for more, i almost always kick them and start over. Id rather start over than risk having some immature c*nt troll me because they are unhappy with the payment i offer.

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[Adeel007]

No you're greedy but I will still do the heist with you then leave before it ends

[m3rge]

Randoms who jump straight to Finale = 15%

People that help from the beginning = 15% or 20%

[troysayshi]

With me it's all about the variables.

 

With friends it's 25%. If one random then they'll get 25 too. Though when a random called noose recently on the restart from planning board I gave them 10. When they complained I said 'that's what you get for calling noose'. They accepted it after that.

 

Two friends, two randoms then sometimes 30/30/20/20 but that's rare because if they've been decent I'll give 25 anyway.

 

20 is the minimum I give people so when I'm on other heists I expect the same. Quid pro quo. 15 is a no no. I've accepted 15 twice but as a favour which I do very rarely.

 

The whole final jumping, I've no idea what I'm jumping into on quick heist so if it is a final and I'm accepted then it's still 20 minimum. If I jump in earlier and the set ups go ok then I'll stay with those people. Only reason I won't stay is if certain friends come online.

 

If I ever end up on a heist with people reading this who offer 15% or less and I actually stay then there's going to be an adventure...

Edited December 28, 2015 by troysayshi

[Heists Are The Future]

 

 

 

My friends and I will fail any heist you want if you give 15%. 20% buys completion. Anything less is a host being greedy and you won't get satisfaction from us. 15% is not enough and as others have stated people got paid for the setups. We usually join by phone and 1 person invites whoever else they can into the heist. If we join and it's the 1st setup we'll play through to the final. If we join and its a final then we will finish it only if we are paid fairly. 20% is fair 15% is not. Too many greedy bastards will play the setups then not reinvite the people who got them there. Then they try to use the "you didn't do any setups so you only get 15%" line. 55% to 1 person is just them being a greedy douche.

Not really... 55% for a leader doesn't make them greedy because the leader has to pay to start the Heist and the Leader gets no money from the setups.

If you believe this then I'm thinking you aren't very good at math. Set up on Pac Std is $100,000. Oh hard, you can get $26k for each set up, there are 5. That's $130,000. At 55%, the leader collects $687,500* total. This leaves 15% for the other 3 players, which is $187,500. Add that to set up pay, and each player IF they did all set ups would earn $317,500. When you subtract out set up cost, greedy leader under your scenario earns $587,500. How is that equitable exactly?

 

Now I know some see it differently if players don't do the set ups. But in my book, either way, the leader is getting a windfall, it's just a matter of who he is taking it from. As has been discussed many times on here, fairest payout is 40/20/20/20 (which leaves the leader coming out slightly ahead).

 

* totals above are for Pac Std on hard.

Thing is, the host has to play the setups and most likely do them several times since the probability to pass them on the first try is nearly impossible because of randumbs. So time wise the host should be compensated with 55/15/15/15 if the players joined the only for the final.

 

 

Finally someone who understands!

 

Ok guys quick question: What if you join a Heist, the leader gives everyone 20% apart for you. What you gonna do?

[Non Fiction]

Its YOUR hiest, give what you want...but don't be surprised if you get trolled during the hiest by players who wanted more money.

[rlk232]

The reality is that nobody can really complain if you just jump in for a PSJ finale with 3 randomly good players and get 15%, as that'd be a cool $187k. However if you do do a couple set ups and then the PB Finale, get 15% and be pissed, obviously...

[Cudwieser]

 

Also, heists have been out long enough that most players are capable of what is asked and more than worth 20%.

 

You'd like to think so, wouldn't you?

 

 

I try not to, but in all seriousness I've had reasonable success with the groups I've joined. Of groups that have had more than one failure it is usually a single person failing. It is a pain, but If progress is still made then the player is learning and worth the investment.

 

 

 

Also, heists have been out long enough that most players are capable of what is asked and more than worth 20%.

 

You'd like to think so, wouldn't you?

 

Haha

 

Funny is funny

 

 

 

 

My friends and I will fail any heist you want if you give 15%. 20% buys completion. Anything less is a host being greedy and you won't get satisfaction from us. 15% is not enough and as others have stated people got paid for the setups. We usually join by phone and 1 person invites whoever else they can into the heist. If we join and it's the 1st setup we'll play through to the final. If we join and its a final then we will finish it only if we are paid fairly. 20% is fair 15% is not. Too many greedy bastards will play the setups then not reinvite the people who got them there. Then they try to use the "you didn't do any setups so you only get 15%" line. 55% to 1 person is just them being a greedy douche.

Not really... 55% for a leader doesn't make them greedy because the leader has to pay to start the Heist and the Leader gets no money from the setups.

If you believe this then I'm thinking you aren't very good at math. Set up on Pac Std is $100,000. Oh hard, you can get $26k for each set up, there are 5. That's $130,000. At 55%, the leader collects $687,500* total. This leaves 15% for the other 3 players, which is $187,500. Add that to set up pay, and each player IF they did all set ups would earn $317,500. When you subtract out set up cost, greedy leader under your scenario earns $587,500. How is that equitable exactly?

 

Now I know some see it differently if players don't do the set ups. But in my book, either way, the leader is getting a windfall, it's just a matter of who he is taking it from. As has been discussed many times on here, fairest payout is 40/20/20/20 (which leaves the leader coming out slightly ahead).

 

* totals above are for Pac Std on hard.

Thing is, the host has to play the setups and most likely do them several times since the probability to pass them on the first try is nearly impossible because of randumbs. So time wise the host should be compensated with 55/15/15/15 if the players joined the only for the final.

 

 

Finally someone who understands!

 

Ok guys quick question: What if you join a Heist, the leader gives everyone 20% apart for you. What you gonna do?

 

Leave

[Roronoa Zoro]

I notice alot of the cheap & greedy usernames are the same ones i have seen complaining about how hard heists are, how hard it is to make money, and how terrible randoms are.

 

You get what you pay for. I pay fair payouts, and i almost always pass the first try, even with rando's. Offer small payouts and people dont try, and quit after the first failure. Use your brain and put a cost value on relaunching and refilling a heist because of a selfish mentality, and you should see the value in offering that extra percentage.

[rlk232]

I notice alot of the cheap & greedy usernames are the same ones i have seen complaining about how hard heists are, how hard it is to make money, and how terrible randoms are.

 

You get what you pay for. I pay fair payouts, and i almost always pass the first try, even with rando's. Offer small payouts and people dont try, and quit after the first failure. Use your brain and put a cost value on relaunching and refilling a heist because of a selfish mentality, and you should see the value in offering that extra percentage.

 

Excellent post, to me. I often take 15% to help my friends, but I offer pro level help so a pro level payment is reasonable.

[Endofdays_x]

Any person that decides its cute to give 70/10/10/10 I usually ready up and when they get to the bank door I run them over til they die then leave. This is why I only do heists with my friends and crew.

[Rashkovskys Shiv]

Depends on a lot of variables.

As a rich experienced player If you set it on Player saved outfits,depending on my mood I may take any amount...this also depends of the other crewmates skill level too,and the host general understanding of how to set up heists.

If they are compliant and follow my lead.I may take nothing.

I like to help...sometimes.

[rlk232]

Any person that decides its cute to give 70/10/10/10 I usually ready up and when they get to the bank door I run them over til they die then leave. This is why I only do heists with my friends and crew.

 

Seems to me like this is asking to get trolled, quite frankly. I've let my friends do that before when we take turns running through heists, but if you do that to randoms, should you expect any effort at all?

[rapidwiz]

20% if they helped with at least two of the hard setups like convoy/hack or at least 2 else 15%

 

Never give less than 15%, you just been greedy

 

If no setups, 15% no more

 

Friends are tricky, good friends get 20% even if they didn't help, not good friends get blocked get a new friend if they ask for 20% and they just feeding off of you.

 

Also if a random jumps on a finale and you want to give 15%, always negotiate15% before you start, if they don't respond, kick, be polite, ask nicely if they will accept 15%, works well for me, Most will say yay or nay and you kick them depending, some will say nay and then reconsider and come back. Always say thank you. Block anyway who is rude.

 

Most will accept 15% and explain your friends helped with the setups and they didn't, as simple as that.

Edited December 31, 2015 by rapidwiz

[SaltyGTAFMember]

20% if they helped with at least two of the hard setups like convoy/hack or at least 2 else 15%

 

Never give less than 15%, you just been greedy

 

If no setups, 15% no more

 

Friends are tricky, good friends get 20% even if they didn't help, not good friends get blocked get a new friend if they ask for 20% and they just feeding off of you.

People just want more for doing nothing, honestly a npc can do better and take a 30% cut instead of dealing with these people.

 

Played 55/15/15/15 and took 15% did just fine, only the ones who moan about not getting 20 often fail hell Ive seen it fail at 25% across the board.

[troysayshi]

If they are compliant and follow my lead....

 

Follow your lead ? Yeah right... Lol

[Roronoa Zoro]

 

I notice alot of the cheap & greedy usernames are the same ones i have seen complaining about how hard heists are, how hard it is to make money, and how terrible randoms are.

 

You get what you pay for. I pay fair payouts, and i almost always pass the first try, even with rando's. Offer small payouts and people dont try, and quit after the first failure. Use your brain and put a cost value on relaunching and refilling a heist because of a selfish mentality, and you should see the value in offering that extra percentage.

Excellent post, to me. I often take 15% to help my friends, but I offer pro level help so a pro level payment is reasonable.

I really dont need the money, so i like to give low levels a big chunk of mine sometimes because i know how much more meaningful it will be to them. ONLY if they have a mic tho.

[Rashkovskys Shiv]

 

If they are compliant and follow my lead....

Follow your lead ? Yeah right... Lol

Sometimes they do...and then come flurries of friend requests.

Most of the time if they dont...failure ensures.

[BigJoe_1]

20% is fair most of the time.

 

Personally I give 20% if they've put in effort and actually want to play the game and complete the heist with me. In short if they've helped me complete the setups (not all the setups though, if they've missed one or two) and aren't completely using me to get their take from the final then they'll get 20%, which I feel is fare considering the fact that I pay the upfront costs and the other players are normally equally as competant.

 

I give 25% if the person playing has been there since the beginning, but is also just as competent as the person described above (if not then even better). If they've been with me since the first setup and have helped me complete all of them and have done so without making many mistakes then I see no reason not to give them 25%, they're competant and haven't got bored halfway through and left, as quite a lot of players do. Why not give them that bit extra?

 

If I'm hosting you'll get 15% if you've joined 1 setup before the finale or if you're a bit on the incompetant side (you'll probably get 20% if you've been there since the beginning but are still incompetant, but not that incompetent). Those who are incompetent are putting the team at more of a disadvantage than an advantage, and when the rest of the team are suffering because of one player, ie mission fails, then that one player shouldn't get as much as the rest in the final heist. It may seem cruel but the way I see it is that if you're unable to meet the standards that other players are setting then you deserve (and should settle for) a lower cut, anyone can increase their level of skill if they put the effort in to do so, so why should those who choose not to, recieve the same payment as those who do.

Edited December 31, 2015 by BigJoe_1