R* should split the Sports class.

[justinlynch3]

I'm thinking R* should take all the low end Sports and split them into a Street class.

Cars like the Banshee, Corquette and Comet would stay in Sports. These are low end for Sports but a good enough driver might pull off a win with them.

Meanwhile cars like the Kuruma, Sultan, Swarther, Buffalo, Futo, etc would all break off into a Street class. Well, I'd say Futo belongs in Compact but that's not the point of this topic.

I think this needs to happen because there are sooo many cars that are in Sports class that are never going to be used cause they can't match up to the Jester or such. Sports is also very bloated so this will also help that.

[Shootinalloveryourface]

I agree

[Mattoropael]

If we're splitting this way, Sports Classics also needs a Classics class split from it.

 

I still favor a complete race classing overhaul that focuses on performance rather than the nature of the vehicle, but this should stir things up as well.

[Arrows to Athens]

Why do they have to compete with the top sports exactly? You have very quick sports cars, and then you have quick sports cars that are not as quick as the quickest sports cars. If the sports cars had to compete with the top sports, all of the cars will too similar in performance. There also needs to be diversity.

 

I think they're fine where they are. However, both of the Schafter LWBs should be classed into the Sedans class, and the Blista COMPACT should be classed into the Compacts class.

Edited December 19, 2015 by Fearx--

[Mach1bud]

Why do they have to compete with the top sports exactly? You have very quick sports cars, and then you have quick sports cars that are not as quick as the quickest sports cars. If the sports cars had to compete with the top sports, all of the cars will too similar in performance. There also needs to be diversity.

 

I think they're fine where they are. However, both of the Schafter LWBs should be classed into the Sedans class, and the Blista COMPACT should be classed into the Compacts class.

So people have a wider varitey of cars to choose from when racing?

[Arrows to Athens]

 

Why do they have to compete with the top sports exactly? You have very quick sports cars, and then you have quick sports cars that are not as quick as the quickest sports cars. If the sports cars had to compete with the top sports, all of the cars will too similar in performance. There also needs to be diversity.

 

I think they're fine where they are. However, both of the Schafter LWBs should be classed into the Sedans class, and the Blista COMPACT should be classed into the Compacts class.

So people have a wider varitey of cars to choose from when racing?

 

You have high-end and you have low-end. If you want to race with high-ends, then by all means race the high-ends together. Same with the low-ends. You already have a myriad of high-end sports cars to race with together and low-end cars to race with together. Like this, you still diversity and even more diversity since you still have the low-ends as well.

 

The Fusilade is what it is, a 2-door sports car, so it belongs in the sports class. However, it cannot compete with the top sports or even the Furore GT, so does that mean it should be removed from the sports class? Same with the Sultan, Kuruma, Penumbra, regular Buffalo, Schwartzer etc... The Ford GT is a mid-engine supercar, so therefore the Bullet should remain in the supers class, despite being inferior to the better performing supers. It's a cheap super as well so it makes complete sense.

Edited December 20, 2015 by Fearx--

[Rocket Skates]

While we're at it, let's also put the Moonbeam where it belongs.

[Mach1bud]

 

 

Why do they have to compete with the top sports exactly? You have very quick sports cars, and then you have quick sports cars that are not as quick as the quickest sports cars. If the sports cars had to compete with the top sports, all of the cars will too similar in performance. There also needs to be diversity.

 

I think they're fine where they are. However, both of the Schafter LWBs should be classed into the Sedans class, and the Blista COMPACT should be classed into the Compacts class.

So people have a wider varitey of cars to choose from when racing?

 

You have high-end and you have low-end. If you want to race with high-ends, then by all means race the high-ends together. Same with the low-ends. You already have a myriad of high-end sports cars to race with together and low-end cars to race with together. Like this, you still diversity and even more diversity since you still have the low-ends as well.

 

The Fusilade is what it is, a 2-door sports car, so it belongs in the sports class. However, it cannot compete with the top sports or even the Furore GT, so does that mean it should be removed from the sports class? Same with the Sultan, Kuruma, Penumbra, regular Buffalo, Schwartzer etc... The Ford GT is a mid-engine supercar, so therefore the Bullet should remain in the supers class, despite being inferior to the better performing supers. It's a cheap super as well so it makes complete sense.

That is all well and good if you are racing with crew/friends, but more often than not, people race with randoms. You cannot control what people choose.

 

You are not looking at it from a gameplay balance perspective. The classes should be reorganized. What people are suggesting is a second lower tier sports class, to restrict people to choosing only those cars.

[justinlynch3]

 

 

 

Why do they have to compete with the top sports exactly? You have very quick sports cars, and then you have quick sports cars that are not as quick as the quickest sports cars. If the sports cars had to compete with the top sports, all of the cars will too similar in performance. There also needs to be diversity.

 

I think they're fine where they are. However, both of the Schafter LWBs should be classed into the Sedans class, and the Blista COMPACT should be classed into the Compacts class.

So people have a wider varitey of cars to choose from when racing?

 

You have high-end and you have low-end. If you want to race with high-ends, then by all means race the high-ends together. Same with the low-ends. You already have a myriad of high-end sports cars to race with together and low-end cars to race with together. Like this, you still diversity and even more diversity since you still have the low-ends as well.

 

The Fusilade is what it is, a 2-door sports car, so it belongs in the sports class. However, it cannot compete with the top sports or even the Furore GT, so does that mean it should be removed from the sports class? Same with the Sultan, Kuruma, Penumbra, regular Buffalo, Schwartzer etc... The Ford GT is a mid-engine supercar, so therefore the Bullet should remain in the supers class, despite being inferior to the better performing supers. It's a cheap super as well so it makes complete sense.

That is all well and good if you are racing with crew/friends, but more often than not, people race with randoms. You cannot control what people choose.

 

You are not looking at it from a gameplay balance perspective. The classes should be reorganized. What people are suggesting is a second lower tier sports class, to restrict people to choosing only those cars.

 

Yea GTA isn't a racing sim and it's never going to be, the classes should be made for balance over real life technicality.

 

if we had a Street class with lets say Sultan at the top. You still got lots of variation. Futo drives way different, Buffalo drives different again. Just like Sports the Elegy, Jester, Massacro, etc all drive different. So you still got variation.

 

But as it is cars like Sultan, Kuruma, Futo, etc are useless in the Sports class. They can't handle as well, can't corner/break as well, and isn't as fast. Why should a dozen or so cars sit unused in the Sports class when you can use them in their own class?

[Arrows to Athens]

 

 

 

Why do they have to compete with the top sports exactly? You have very quick sports cars, and then you have quick sports cars that are not as quick as the quickest sports cars. If the sports cars had to compete with the top sports, all of the cars will too similar in performance. There also needs to be diversity.

 

I think they're fine where they are. However, both of the Schafter LWBs should be classed into the Sedans class, and the Blista COMPACT should be classed into the Compacts class.

So people have a wider varitey of cars to choose from when racing?

 

You have high-end and you have low-end. If you want to race with high-ends, then by all means race the high-ends together. Same with the low-ends. You already have a myriad of high-end sports cars to race with together and low-end cars to race with together. Like this, you still diversity and even more diversity since you still have the low-ends as well.

 

The Fusilade is what it is, a 2-door sports car, so it belongs in the sports class. However, it cannot compete with the top sports or even the Furore GT, so does that mean it should be removed from the sports class? Same with the Sultan, Kuruma, Penumbra, regular Buffalo, Schwartzer etc... The Ford GT is a mid-engine supercar, so therefore the Bullet should remain in the supers class, despite being inferior to the better performing supers. It's a cheap super as well so it makes complete sense.

That is all well and good if you are racing with crew/friends, but more often than not, people race with randoms. You cannot control what people choose.

 

You are not looking at it from a gameplay balance perspective. The classes should be reorganized. What people are suggesting is a second lower tier sports class, to restrict people to choosing only those cars.

 

Then you should know what cars to choose in those situations. Simple.

 

Cars should only by removed classes based off what that car actually is, not necessarily performance. The Ford GT is a mid-engine supercar, so therefore the Bullet shall remain in the supers class, despite it being inferior to the better performing supers. Same with the Infernus.

 

If anything, The Buffalo S should be in the Muscles, Blista Compact in the compact, Oracle/Oracle XS/Exemplar/Felon in the sedans, and the Schwartzer in the coupes.

 

 

 

 

Why do they have to compete with the top sports exactly? You have very quick sports cars, and then you have quick sports cars that are not as quick as the quickest sports cars. If the sports cars had to compete with the top sports, all of the cars will too similar in performance. There also needs to be diversity.

 

I think they're fine where they are. However, both of the Schafter LWBs should be classed into the Sedans class, and the Blista COMPACT should be classed into the Compacts class.

So people have a wider varitey of cars to choose from when racing?

 

You have high-end and you have low-end. If you want to race with high-ends, then by all means race the high-ends together. Same with the low-ends. You already have a myriad of high-end sports cars to race with together and low-end cars to race with together. Like this, you still diversity and even more diversity since you still have the low-ends as well.

 

The Fusilade is what it is, a 2-door sports car, so it belongs in the sports class. However, it cannot compete with the top sports or even the Furore GT, so does that mean it should be removed from the sports class? Same with the Sultan, Kuruma, Penumbra, regular Buffalo, Schwartzer etc... The Ford GT is a mid-engine supercar, so therefore the Bullet should remain in the supers class, despite being inferior to the better performing supers. It's a cheap super as well so it makes complete sense.

That is all well and good if you are racing with crew/friends, but more often than not, people race with randoms. You cannot control what people choose.

 

You are not looking at it from a gameplay balance perspective. The classes should be reorganized. What people are suggesting is a second lower tier sports class, to restrict people to choosing only those cars.

 

Yea GTA isn't a racing sim and it's never going to be, the classes should be made for balance over real life technicality.

 

if we had a Street class with lets say Sultan at the top. You still got lots of variation. Futo drives way different, Buffalo drives different again. Just like Sports the Elegy, Jester, Massacro, etc all drive different. So you still got variation.

 

But as it is cars like Sultan, Kuruma, Futo, etc are useless in the Sports class. They can't handle as well, can't corner/break as well, and isn't as fast. Why should a dozen or so cars sit unused in the Sports class when you can use them in their own class?

 

Just because the Sultan is inferior to the top sports in performance doesn't mean it's useless. That also doesn't change the fact that it's a sports car. Same with the Fusilade and Kuruma.

 

The Sultan will be good in races with the lower performing sports cars, so that makes it useful in those situations. And not everyone is a racer. I want a sports car that is 4-doors and want to cruise around in free roam with it. The Sultan would be the best choice alongside the Buffalo and Kuruma because their real life counterparts are sports cars.

 

A lot of the muscles are very poor in performance, but they're still muscle cars, and should remain in that class regardless. They won't just put a muscle into another class (what class would that be exactly?) just because they aren't up to par with the top muscle cars. It's good to have a lot of cars in a single class because that's where diversity comes in.

Edited December 20, 2015 by Fearx--

[Mattoropael]

 

 

 

 

Why do they have to compete with the top sports exactly? You have very quick sports cars, and then you have quick sports cars that are not as quick as the quickest sports cars. If the sports cars had to compete with the top sports, all of the cars will too similar in performance. There also needs to be diversity.

 

I think they're fine where they are. However, both of the Schafter LWBs should be classed into the Sedans class, and the Blista COMPACT should be classed into the Compacts class.

So people have a wider varitey of cars to choose from when racing?

 

You have high-end and you have low-end. If you want to race with high-ends, then by all means race the high-ends together. Same with the low-ends. You already have a myriad of high-end sports cars to race with together and low-end cars to race with together. Like this, you still diversity and even more diversity since you still have the low-ends as well.

 

The Fusilade is what it is, a 2-door sports car, so it belongs in the sports class. However, it cannot compete with the top sports or even the Furore GT, so does that mean it should be removed from the sports class? Same with the Sultan, Kuruma, Penumbra, regular Buffalo, Schwartzer etc... The Ford GT is a mid-engine supercar, so therefore the Bullet should remain in the supers class, despite being inferior to the better performing supers. It's a cheap super as well so it makes complete sense.

That is all well and good if you are racing with crew/friends, but more often than not, people race with randoms. You cannot control what people choose.

 

You are not looking at it from a gameplay balance perspective. The classes should be reorganized. What people are suggesting is a second lower tier sports class, to restrict people to choosing only those cars.

 

Then you should know what cars to choose in those situations. Simple.

 

Cars should only by removed classes based off what that car actually is, not necessarily performance. The Ford GT is a mid-engine supercar, so therefore the Bullet shall remain in the supers class, despite it being inferior to the better performing supers. Same with the Infernus.

 

If anything, The Buffalo S should be in the Muscles, Blista Compact in the compact, Oracle/Oracle XS/Exemplar/Felon in the sedans, and the Schwartzer in the coupes.

 

 

If there is a separate race classing system then yes, there's absolutely no reason for a sedan to be in the coupe class.

 

But since there isn't and all race classing is based on vehicle categories, it is necessary to maintain balance between the top dogs. The Schafter V12 Armored being mistakenly placed in the Sedans class is the prime example of what would happen if you just throw all cars back to their correct categories without doing something to race classification.

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

they are used....all the 4 door sport cars are extremely populair, same for the futo...for what they are that is

[richard1997jones]

Yeah I agree splitting the sports class for street cars would work far better. Performance wise I think we'd have to be careful which cars sit in that category though.

[DedetOS1]

By the way,they should also separate Sanchez from off-road section.It is too overpowered for that class,this is why I leave off-road races before start

Edited December 20, 2015 by Freak_Show

[Arrows to Athens]

By the way,they should also separate Sanchez from off-road section.It is too overpowered for that class,this is why I leave off-road races before start

It's a dirt bike so it makes sense. The least they could is nerf the performance slightly or buff the performance of certain cars that can benefit from it.

Edited December 20, 2015 by Fearx--

[Mach1bud]

 

 

 

 

Why do they have to compete with the top sports exactly? You have very quick sports cars, and then you have quick sports cars that are not as quick as the quickest sports cars. If the sports cars had to compete with the top sports, all of the cars will too similar in performance. There also needs to be diversity.

 

I think they're fine where they are. However, both of the Schafter LWBs should be classed into the Sedans class, and the Blista COMPACT should be classed into the Compacts class.

So people have a wider varitey of cars to choose from when racing?

 

You have high-end and you have low-end. If you want to race with high-ends, then by all means race the high-ends together. Same with the low-ends. You already have a myriad of high-end sports cars to race with together and low-end cars to race with together. Like this, you still diversity and even more diversity since you still have the low-ends as well.

 

The Fusilade is what it is, a 2-door sports car, so it belongs in the sports class. However, it cannot compete with the top sports or even the Furore GT, so does that mean it should be removed from the sports class? Same with the Sultan, Kuruma, Penumbra, regular Buffalo, Schwartzer etc... The Ford GT is a mid-engine supercar, so therefore the Bullet should remain in the supers class, despite being inferior to the better performing supers. It's a cheap super as well so it makes complete sense.

That is all well and good if you are racing with crew/friends, but more often than not, people race with randoms. You cannot control what people choose.

 

You are not looking at it from a gameplay balance perspective. The classes should be reorganized. What people are suggesting is a second lower tier sports class, to restrict people to choosing only those cars.

 

Then you should know what cars to choose in those situations. Simple.

 

Cars should only by removed classes based off what that car actually is, not necessarily performance. The Ford GT is a mid-engine supercar, so therefore the Bullet shall remain in the supers class, despite it being inferior to the better performing supers. Same with the Infernus.

 

If anything, The Buffalo S should be in the Muscles, Blista Compact in the compact, Oracle/Oracle XS/Exemplar/Felon in the sedans, and the Schwartzer in the coupes.

 

 

 

 

Why do they have to compete with the top sports exactly? You have very quick sports cars, and then you have quick sports cars that are not as quick as the quickest sports cars. If the sports cars had to compete with the top sports, all of the cars will too similar in performance. There also needs to be diversity.

 

I think they're fine where they are. However, both of the Schafter LWBs should be classed into the Sedans class, and the Blista COMPACT should be classed into the Compacts class.

So people have a wider varitey of cars to choose from when racing?

 

You have high-end and you have low-end. If you want to race with high-ends, then by all means race the high-ends together. Same with the low-ends. You already have a myriad of high-end sports cars to race with together and low-end cars to race with together. Like this, you still diversity and even more diversity since you still have the low-ends as well.

 

The Fusilade is what it is, a 2-door sports car, so it belongs in the sports class. However, it cannot compete with the top sports or even the Furore GT, so does that mean it should be removed from the sports class? Same with the Sultan, Kuruma, Penumbra, regular Buffalo, Schwartzer etc... The Ford GT is a mid-engine supercar, so therefore the Bullet should remain in the supers class, despite being inferior to the better performing supers. It's a cheap super as well so it makes complete sense.

That is all well and good if you are racing with crew/friends, but more often than not, people race with randoms. You cannot control what people choose.

 

You are not looking at it from a gameplay balance perspective. The classes should be reorganized. What people are suggesting is a second lower tier sports class, to restrict people to choosing only those cars.

 

Yea GTA isn't a racing sim and it's never going to be, the classes should be made for balance over real life technicality.

 

if we had a Street class with lets say Sultan at the top. You still got lots of variation. Futo drives way different, Buffalo drives different again. Just like Sports the Elegy, Jester, Massacro, etc all drive different. So you still got variation.

 

But as it is cars like Sultan, Kuruma, Futo, etc are useless in the Sports class. They can't handle as well, can't corner/break as well, and isn't as fast. Why should a dozen or so cars sit unused in the Sports class when you can use them in their own class?

 

Just because the Sultan is inferior to the top sports in performance doesn't mean it's useless. That also doesn't change the fact that it's a sports car. Same with the Fusilade and Kuruma.

 

The Sultan will be good in races with the lower performing sports cars, so that makes it useful in those situations. And not everyone is a racer. I want a sports car that is 4-doors and want to cruise around in free roam with it. The Sultan would be the best choice alongside the Buffalo and Kuruma because their real life counterparts are sports cars.

 

A lot of the muscles are very poor in performance, but they're still muscle cars, and should remain that class regardless. They won't just put a muscle into another class (what class would that be exactly?) just because they aren't up to par with the top muscle cars. It's good to have a lot of cars in a single class because that's where diversity comes in.

This entire discussion is about racing. If someone is not a racer, then what class it is in should be irrelevent to them. Why do you care what class the Sultan or anything else is in if you dont race? It makes no difference in freeroam.

 

Nobody wants the cars performance to change. We just want, when hosting a race and choosing the class of cars we can lock it to lower end sports cars. That is the whole idea here. Freeroam, actual car bodystyles, real life cars, none of that has anything to do with this.

Edited December 20, 2015 by Mach1bud

[xInfamousRYANx]

This entire thread is a train wreck. Peooke suggesting good rebalancing and some suggesting to throw off other classes entirely

Edited December 20, 2015 by xInfamousRYANx

[Arrows to Athens]

I'm not against it, but it's not necessary. If you want to race the best cars in a race, then choose them.

 

A lot of the muscles are very poor in performance, but they're still muscle cars, and should remain in that class regardless. They won't just put a muscle into another class (what class would that be exactly?) just because they aren't up to par with the top muscle cars. It's good to have a lot of cars in a single class because that's where diversity comes in.

Edited December 20, 2015 by Fearx--

[Mach1bud]

I would love for Muscle to be split as well. Just call it Muscle 1 and Muscle 2.

 

I disagree, having a wide spread of performance in a single class actually limits diversity.

[Arrows to Athens]

This entire thread is a train wreck. Peooke suggesting good rebalancing and some suggesting to throw off other classes entirely

What other classes?

[justinlynch3]

 

 

 

 

Why do they have to compete with the top sports exactly? You have very quick sports cars, and then you have quick sports cars that are not as quick as the quickest sports cars. If the sports cars had to compete with the top sports, all of the cars will too similar in performance. There also needs to be diversity.

 

I think they're fine where they are. However, both of the Schafter LWBs should be classed into the Sedans class, and the Blista COMPACT should be classed into the Compacts class.

So people have a wider varitey of cars to choose from when racing?

 

You have high-end and you have low-end. If you want to race with high-ends, then by all means race the high-ends together. Same with the low-ends. You already have a myriad of high-end sports cars to race with together and low-end cars to race with together. Like this, you still diversity and even more diversity since you still have the low-ends as well.

 

The Fusilade is what it is, a 2-door sports car, so it belongs in the sports class. However, it cannot compete with the top sports or even the Furore GT, so does that mean it should be removed from the sports class? Same with the Sultan, Kuruma, Penumbra, regular Buffalo, Schwartzer etc... The Ford GT is a mid-engine supercar, so therefore the Bullet should remain in the supers class, despite being inferior to the better performing supers. It's a cheap super as well so it makes complete sense.

That is all well and good if you are racing with crew/friends, but more often than not, people race with randoms. You cannot control what people choose.

 

You are not looking at it from a gameplay balance perspective. The classes should be reorganized. What people are suggesting is a second lower tier sports class, to restrict people to choosing only those cars.

 

Then you should know what cars to choose in those situations. Simple.

 

Cars should only by removed classes based off what that car actually is, not necessarily performance. The Ford GT is a mid-engine supercar, so therefore the Bullet shall remain in the supers class, despite it being inferior to the better performing supers. Same with the Infernus.

 

If anything, The Buffalo S should be in the Muscles, Blista Compact in the compact, Oracle/Oracle XS/Exemplar/Felon in the sedans, and the Schwartzer in the coupes.

 

 

 

 

Why do they have to compete with the top sports exactly? You have very quick sports cars, and then you have quick sports cars that are not as quick as the quickest sports cars. If the sports cars had to compete with the top sports, all of the cars will too similar in performance. There also needs to be diversity.

 

I think they're fine where they are. However, both of the Schafter LWBs should be classed into the Sedans class, and the Blista COMPACT should be classed into the Compacts class.

So people have a wider varitey of cars to choose from when racing?

 

You have high-end and you have low-end. If you want to race with high-ends, then by all means race the high-ends together. Same with the low-ends. You already have a myriad of high-end sports cars to race with together and low-end cars to race with together. Like this, you still diversity and even more diversity since you still have the low-ends as well.

 

The Fusilade is what it is, a 2-door sports car, so it belongs in the sports class. However, it cannot compete with the top sports or even the Furore GT, so does that mean it should be removed from the sports class? Same with the Sultan, Kuruma, Penumbra, regular Buffalo, Schwartzer etc... The Ford GT is a mid-engine supercar, so therefore the Bullet should remain in the supers class, despite being inferior to the better performing supers. It's a cheap super as well so it makes complete sense.

That is all well and good if you are racing with crew/friends, but more often than not, people race with randoms. You cannot control what people choose.

 

You are not looking at it from a gameplay balance perspective. The classes should be reorganized. What people are suggesting is a second lower tier sports class, to restrict people to choosing only those cars.

 

Yea GTA isn't a racing sim and it's never going to be, the classes should be made for balance over real life technicality.

 

if we had a Street class with lets say Sultan at the top. You still got lots of variation. Futo drives way different, Buffalo drives different again. Just like Sports the Elegy, Jester, Massacro, etc all drive different. So you still got variation.

 

But as it is cars like Sultan, Kuruma, Futo, etc are useless in the Sports class. They can't handle as well, can't corner/break as well, and isn't as fast. Why should a dozen or so cars sit unused in the Sports class when you can use them in their own class?

 

Just because the Sultan is inferior to the top sports in performance doesn't mean it's useless. That also doesn't change the fact that it's a sports car. Same with the Fusilade and Kuruma.

 

The Sultan will be good in races with the lower performing sports cars, so that makes it useful in those situations. And not everyone is a racer. I want a sports car that is 4-doors and want to cruise around in free roam with it. The Sultan would be the best choice alongside the Buffalo and Kuruma because their real life counterparts are sports cars.

 

A lot of the muscles are very poor in performance, but they're still muscle cars, and should remain that class regardless. They won't just put a muscle into another class (what class would that be exactly?) just because they aren't up to par with the top muscle cars. It's good to have a lot of cars in a single class because that's where diversity comes in.

 

But again you can split this class and still has TONS of diversity in both Sport and Street, the Sport class is currently THAT massive. There is also a massive gap between low end Sport and top end Sport. Low end of the Sport are cars that are street cars. Top end of the Sport class are literally race cars.

 

Super got better and worse cars but all the cars are capable with maybe Bullet and Voltic as exceptions. Muscles are the same, you have your top cars but most (outside the hot-rods) are still capable. But Sport should really be split.

 

Far as free mode it doesn't matter. Wanting a 4 door Sport car just to cruise in is merely a whim at the expensive of balancing the game and peoples enjoyment. And if you do want one that bad, according to what I hear the Scafter V12 is fast enough to go in Sports over Street. So you still got your 4 door Sport.

[DominusTaranis]

 

By the way,they should also separate Sanchez from off-road section.It is too overpowered for that class,this is why I leave off-road races before start

It's a dirt bike so it makes sense. The least they could is nerf the performance slightly or buff the performance of certain cars that can benefit from it.A better solution would be to blacklist it from offroad racing unless in races with strictly ither Sanchez. It corners better, accelerates faster, and maintains better speed through rough terrain than anything with four wheels.

[Arrows to Athens]

I would love for Muscle to be split as well. Just call it Muscle 1 and Muscle 2.

 

I disagree, having a wide spread of performance in a single class actually limits diversity.

Muscle 1 and Muscle 2? lmao

 

Having WIDE SPREAD limits diversity? Isn't being widely spread being diverse?

Edited December 20, 2015 by Fearx--

[Arrows to Athens]

 

 

 

 

 

Why do they have to compete with the top sports exactly? You have very quick sports cars, and then you have quick sports cars that are not as quick as the quickest sports cars. If the sports cars had to compete with the top sports, all of the cars will too similar in performance. There also needs to be diversity.

 

I think they're fine where they are. However, both of the Schafter LWBs should be classed into the Sedans class, and the Blista COMPACT should be classed into the Compacts class.

So people have a wider varitey of cars to choose from when racing?

 

You have high-end and you have low-end. If you want to race with high-ends, then by all means race the high-ends together. Same with the low-ends. You already have a myriad of high-end sports cars to race with together and low-end cars to race with together. Like this, you still diversity and even more diversity since you still have the low-ends as well.

 

The Fusilade is what it is, a 2-door sports car, so it belongs in the sports class. However, it cannot compete with the top sports or even the Furore GT, so does that mean it should be removed from the sports class? Same with the Sultan, Kuruma, Penumbra, regular Buffalo, Schwartzer etc... The Ford GT is a mid-engine supercar, so therefore the Bullet should remain in the supers class, despite being inferior to the better performing supers. It's a cheap super as well so it makes complete sense.

That is all well and good if you are racing with crew/friends, but more often than not, people race with randoms. You cannot control what people choose.

 

You are not looking at it from a gameplay balance perspective. The classes should be reorganized. What people are suggesting is a second lower tier sports class, to restrict people to choosing only those cars.

 

Then you should know what cars to choose in those situations. Simple.

 

Cars should only by removed classes based off what that car actually is, not necessarily performance. The Ford GT is a mid-engine supercar, so therefore the Bullet shall remain in the supers class, despite it being inferior to the better performing supers. Same with the Infernus.

 

If anything, The Buffalo S should be in the Muscles, Blista Compact in the compact, Oracle/Oracle XS/Exemplar/Felon in the sedans, and the Schwartzer in the coupes.

Just because the Sultan is inferior to the top sports in performance doesn't mean it's useless. That also doesn't change the fact that it's a sports car. Same with the Fusilade and Kuruma.

 

 

The Sultan will be good in races with the lower performing sports cars, so that makes it useful in those situations. And not everyone is a racer. I want a sports car that is 4-doors and want to cruise around in free roam with it. The Sultan would be the best choice alongside the Buffalo and Kuruma because their real life counterparts are sports cars.

 

A lot of the muscles are very poor in performance, but they're still muscle cars, and should remain that class regardless. They won't just put a muscle into another class (what class would that be exactly?) just because they aren't up to par with the top muscle cars. It's good to have a lot of cars in a single class because that's where diversity comes in.

 

But again you can split this class and still has TONS of diversity in both Sport and Street, the Sport class is currently THAT massive. There is also a massive gap between low end Sport and top end Sport. Low end of the Sport are cars that are street cars. Top end of the Sport class are literally race cars.

 

The Alpha is high-end and is horrendous around a track, and the top speed isn't that great either.

[Mach1bud]

 

I would love for Muscle to be split as well. Just call it Muscle 1 and Muscle 2.

 

I disagree, having a wide spread of performance in a single class actually limits diversity.

Muscle 1 and Muscle 2? lmao

 

Having WIDE SPREAD limits diversity? Isn't being wide spread being diverse?

People want to win races. I will never pick a Voodoo for a Muscle race, because I want to be competitive.

 

If there were a second lower tier Muscle class, I would be more inclined to pick a car like the Voodoo, because it would be competitive with everyone elses cars. This gives slower cars a use in races.

 

What they call the classes doesn't matter. Call them Fast Muscle and Slow Muscle for all I care.

 

These are only things you can really understand if you are a racer I guess.

 

Also, the Alpha comment above, you clearly dont understand that by high end and low end, we mean the performance of the cars, not the type of car.

Edited December 20, 2015 by Mach1bud

[Arrows to Athens]

 

 

I would love for Muscle to be split as well. Just call it Muscle 1 and Muscle 2.

 

I disagree, having a wide spread of performance in a single class actually limits diversity.

Muscle 1 and Muscle 2? lmao

 

Having WIDE SPREAD limits diversity? Isn't being wide spread being diverse?

People want to win races. I will never pick a Voodoo for a Muscle race, because I want to be competitive.

 

If there were a second lower tier Muscle class, I would be more inclined to pick a car like the Voodoo, because it would be competitive with everyone elses cars. This gives slower cars a use in races.

 

What they call the classes doesn't matter. Call them Fast Muscle and Slow Muscle for all I care.

 

These are only things you can really understand if you are a racer I guess.

 

''I will never pick a Voodoo for a Muscle race, because I want to be competitive.'' Uhhh... Then don't pick a Voodoo?

 

You still have failed to explain how being widely spread actually limits diversity.

 

You were vague on what you meant by high-end and low-end, so I assumed you were talking about cars over and under 100k.

Edited December 20, 2015 by Fearx--

[bicenz]

I would also like some splits in racing categories, also classic sport cars should: no-one will use a peyote, tornado or manana against a monroe or stiriling gt. We already have a name for this new category: low-f*cking-rider, and we also remove voodoo (edit: and buccaneer, chino, virgo etc) from muscles. So yes, splitting cars categories would create more diversity and no, we should not give a damn about real-world counterparters.

 

But as always, those who doesn't need say "it's not needed". Yes it is indeed, and you are wrong: if you're not a massive racer you probably don't even understand why it's needed but it is.

Edited December 20, 2015 by bicenz

[Spectacus]

Slow Muscle could have:

 

Virgo

Chino

Buccaneer

[Mach1bud]

 

 

 

I would love for Muscle to be split as well. Just call it Muscle 1 and Muscle 2.

 

I disagree, having a wide spread of performance in a single class actually limits diversity.

Muscle 1 and Muscle 2? lmao

 

Having WIDE SPREAD limits diversity? Isn't being wide spread being diverse?

People want to win races. I will never pick a Voodoo for a Muscle race, because I want to be competitive.

 

If there were a second lower tier Muscle class, I would be more inclined to pick a car like the Voodoo, because it would be competitive with everyone elses cars. This gives slower cars a use in races.

 

What they call the classes doesn't matter. Call them Fast Muscle and Slow Muscle for all I care.

 

These are only things you can really understand if you are a racer I guess.

 

''I will never pick a Voodoo for a Muscle race, because I want to be competitive.'' Uhhh... Then don't pick a Voodoo?

 

You still have failed to explain how being widely spread actually limits diversity.

We want to pick them though. That is the whole point. We can't pick them because we will lose. So we always have to pick a faster car. Limiting diversity.

 

I'm sorry my friend, if you can't understand by now, then I guess we can just agree to disagree.

[Arrows to Athens]

Slow Muscle could have:

 

Virgo

Chino

Buccaneer

The Buccaneer will crush both of those cars. What are you on about?

Edited December 20, 2015 by Fearx--