Liberty City Discussion

[greenrock]

come on guys...do you believe funwm2

[Grichka Bogdanoff]

Re-making the underwater will be just a waste of time and resources.

[Nutduster]

Underwater should be left as it is.

 

Pretty sure no one is going to bother with that petty sh*t.

No one is going to bother swimming..? Uh, OK.

[We Are Ninja]

Well no, because Liberty City is just one asset, retexturing it would be a relatively simple task, the same way they port car models. It would just be the mesh of LC...

Uh... I'd imagine that re-texturing the whole of Liberty City would be a bit more involved than porting a car model. Just putting it out there.

[Member's Only]

 

Underwater should be left as it is.

 

Pretty sure no one is going to bother with that petty sh*t.

No one is going to bother swimming..? Uh, OK.

I meant adding detailed props and sh*t that would just be a waste of precious development time.

 

I'm pretty sure you would still be able to go underwater, just without useless detail.

[BitBasher]

 

If they are going to add Liberty City to GTAO or GTA V then a GTA IV remaster makes perfect financial sense for a company.

 

The vast majority of the cost of a remaster would be art assets and redesigning the world. If they are already redesigning the world to include it in V, and they already have a finished updated engine in V then all the remaster entails is the relatively minimal work of porting over the mission data, cut scenes and kinematics which already work with this game engine.

 

A few million dollars worth of work that is pretty much guaranteed to be made back in sales of the remaster of a game that popular.

 

NOT releasing IV as a remaster after already redoing all of its assets would be leaving money on the table for a company, a poor financial decision.

Well no, because Liberty City is just one asset, retexturing it would be a relatively simple task, the same way they port car models. It would just be the mesh of LC.

 

Remastering IV would require a ton of work rewriting code for EVERYTHING, because it's an entire game.

 

 

That's not accurate, it would not be an entirely new game. All the missions and scripts are in the same formats in IV as they are in V. The voice acting and sound is already recorded, the NPC animations and motions, AI and reaction are still used by V. The game engine is V is an upgraded version of the game engine of IV but is still the same base engine.

 

The main work in an HD remaster is bringing it visually up to par. Especially when they are still actively using the same engine for current generations of the game series. Both games are the RAGE engine.

 

There would be no network code rewrite because the network code for the engine has already been rewritten. It's used currently in GTV for the game engine. They would likely toss out GTA IV's multiplayer portion entirely and instead ship an HD remake with GTAO and the LC map. All of which already had to be done anyway if they want to bring LC to GTAO.

[Aqua97]

Well the river Hudson is quite murky, so they could just make it all murky...

Edited December 24, 2015 by Aqua

[Member's Only]

I suppose a few body bag props could be added.

 

A Vlad easter egg would be cool.

Edited December 24, 2015 by GradeA-Hole

[goblinthegnome]

I feel like for continuity purposes they'll have roads that were under construction fixed, construction sites topped out, and certain buildings demolished or refurbished

[Cheatz/Trickz]

That's not accurate, it would not be an entirely new game. All the missions and scripts are in the same formats in IV as they are in V. The voice acting and sound is already recorded, the NPC animations and motions, AI and reaction are still used by V. The game engine is V is an upgraded version of the game engine of IV but is still the same base engine.

 

The main work in an HD remaster is bringing it visually up to par. Especially when they are still actively using the same engine for current generations of the game series. Both games are the RAGE engine.

 

There would be no network code rewrite because the network code for the engine has already been rewritten. It's used currently in GTV for the game engine. They would likely toss out GTA IV's multiplayer portion entirely and instead ship an HD remake with GTAO and the LC map. All of which already had to be done anyway if they want to bring LC to GTAO.

You're not getting it. IV is on last gen consoles, it would take a lot of time to port it to the new consoles, which use a drastically different architecture.

 

All those aspects you mentioned; AI, voice files, animations etc that create IV are programmed to that old architecture. The engine in V is not "the same engine", it's simply an updated version, still different. And only the V version has been reworked for the V remaster, and that took a long time. IV still runs on the old version.

[greenrock]

well i believe in funz

[Jehannum]

That rumor is full of crap.

 

Sorry, but it is. The "leak" is literally seeming to reference the Liberty City T-Shirt, if they were adding in Liberty City as a whole, you'd think we would be seeing a TON of new data, models, characters, script hooks, etc. But unless some major revelation comes about, we got none of that. Just one line about Liberty City.

 

All that said, I have two opinions on Liberty City in GTA Online.

 

1. I'm freaking sick of Liberty City. It was everything I hated about GTA IV; bland, flat, barely anywhere to go, barely anywhere to have fun, and everything was just so grey and... bleh. It all was a depressing mess to go with a depressing story and, I don't know about anyone else, but when I play a GTA game I don't want to feel depressed, I want to have fun and cause some havoc occasionally.

 

2. I would much rather see different places like Vice City, or even... Maybe, possibly, going back to London or somewhere else over the pond. Somewhere new to explore. Where we all can see new sights and experience a different percpective.

 

GTA Online has been touted to go forward into the future with new places to go to (it was the main theory on why there are so many character slots) so I do hope we do, eventually, go somewhere new. Just... Please, not Liberty City. Please.

 

No.

 

Liberty City is wonderful. GTA IV was wonderful. Having played GTA IV every day for four years, I actually miss Liberty very much. GTA V surpassed IV in so many ways, yet I'd love to see that functionality applied to the LC map: it's so much more interesting and varied, with potential that hasn't yet been realised.

 

That's not accurate, it would not be an entirely new game. All the missions and scripts are in the same formats in IV as they are in V. The voice acting and sound is already recorded, the NPC animations and motions, AI and reaction are still used by V. The game engine is V is an upgraded version of the game engine of IV but is still the same base engine.

 

The main work in an HD remaster is bringing it visually up to par. Especially when they are still actively using the same engine for current generations of the game series. Both games are the RAGE engine.

 

There would be no network code rewrite because the network code for the engine has already been rewritten. It's used currently in GTV for the game engine. They would likely toss out GTA IV's multiplayer portion entirely and instead ship an HD remake with GTAO and the LC map. All of which already had to be done anyway if they want to bring LC to GTAO.

You're not getting it. IV is on last gen consoles, it would take a lot of time to port it to the new consoles, which use a drastically different architecture.

 

All those aspects you mentioned; AI, voice files, animations etc that create IV are programmed to that old architecture. The engine in V is not "the same engine", it's simply an updated version, still different. And only the V version has been reworked for the V remaster, and that took a long time. IV still runs on the old version.

 

 

If this is the case, then shame on R* for not creating a substrate-neutral 3D game space. Any decent developer would have coded the city in a future-proof, platform independent way.

[UtterTehSEAL]

Why would R* announce it next week? On one hand it seems like a terrible idea because of the holidays but on the other it's a perfect tease. "Return to Liberty in 2016."

 

I dunno I'm really hoping this is real but I have to pessimistic. Fun is legit in my book but this is a huge undertaking by R* and I just don't know if they could deliver. I've been impressed with the last few updates but this just dwarfs them all.

[Re-Dragon-Cro]

Why would R* announce it next week? On one hand it seems like a terrible idea because of the holidays but on the other it's a perfect tease. "Return to Liberty in 2016."

 

I dunno I'm really hoping this is real but I have to pessimistic. Fun is legit in my book but this is a huge undertaking by R* and I just don't know if they could deliver. I've been impressed with the last few updates but this just dwarfs them all.

For all we know R* could have been working on this for a long time, if I were to make a guess its probably since the release of the next gen. version.

[Cheatz/Trickz]

 

Well no, because Liberty City is just one asset, retexturing it would be a relatively simple task, the same way they port car models. It would just be the mesh of LC...

Uh... I'd imagine that re-texturing the whole of Liberty City would be a bit more involved than porting a car model. Just putting it out there.

That's why I said "relatively". As in a car model is an asset and so is the basic mesh of LC. Porting these and relaying texture maps on them are relatively simple tasks compared to actually remastering every single line of code.

[BitBasher]

 

You're not getting it. IV is on last gen consoles, it would take a lot of time to port it to the new consoles, which use a drastically different architecture.

 

All those aspects you mentioned; AI, voice files, animations etc that create IV are programmed to that old architecture. The engine in V is not "the same engine", it's simply an updated version, still different. And only the V version has been reworked for the V remaster, and that took a long time. IV still runs on the old version.

 

 

The old consoles are irrelevant. Meaningless, This is why I am not bringing them up.

 

GTA IV is on PC. Both new consoles are fundamentally PCs.

 

There isn't really an old architecture and new architecture for the game files. Bith IV and V both use the RAGE engine and both use almost the same internal architecture.

 

Perhaps you have forgotten that they have already done this. GTA V was originally released as a ps3 and 360 game. They then built a much more detailed version of the same world and released it as a PS4, XBO and PC game later.

 

For all we know R* could have been working on this for a long time, if I were to make a guess its probably since the release of the next gen. version.

 

 

Rockstar has a history of doing exactly this. They denied the existence of the PS4 and XBO version of V while working on it. Same with the PC version.

[burger_mike]

Add an underwater to balance it out and make the map look nicer from above, and open up possibilities, and take full advantage of the things GTA V has, are you guys forgetting about the sub? Plus the swimming under water to go faster and avoid waves won't work anymore if they didn't have it.

 

And just imagine what's in the waters of LC.

Edited December 24, 2015 by the_sniper_29

[Cheatz/Trickz]

The old consoles are irrelevant. Meaningless, This is why I am not bringing them up.

 

GTA IV is on PC. Both new consoles are fundamentally PCs.

 

There isn't really an old architecture and new architecture for the game files. Bith IV and V both use the RAGE engine and both use almost the same internal architecture.

 

Perhaps you have forgotten that they have already done this. GTA V was originally released as a ps3 and 360 game. They then built a much more detailed version of the same world and released it as a PS4, XBO and PC game later.

 

Rockstar has a history of doing exactly this. They denied the existence of the PS4 and XBO version of V while working on it. Same with the PC version.

And in case YOU forgot, GTAIV on PC is a bit of a mess. You're talking about game engines and architecture so flimsily that you may as well be saying "both games are called Grand Theft Auto so porting it should be easy!!"

 

And did you not read? I clearly stated that it took a long time to transfer V over to the new consoles. It would take the same time to bring IV up to that same level.

[Silencer81]

How about this possibility: a remaster of IV and the simultaneous addition of Liberty City to Online (but only for people who buy the remaster).

I think Liberty City will paid DLC for singleplayer, but free for Online. This is because they will not segment the online community (something R* said multiple times). Want to play the singleplayer story, you will have to pay.

Edited December 24, 2015 by Silencer81

[BitBasher]

 

And did you not read? I clearly stated that it took a long time to transfer V over to the new consoles. It would take the same time to bring IV up to that same level.

 

 

I completely agree that it would take a long time, that is not at issue here. It would however be entirely possible to do, and in line with Rockstars stated goals of bringing other cities to GTAO. It would also be less work than building en entirely new city from scratch.

[Re-Dragon-Cro]

 

How about this possibility: a remaster of IV and the simultaneous addition of Liberty City to Online (but only for people who buy the remaster).

I think Liberty City will paid DLC for singleplayer, but free for Online. This is because they will not segment the online community (something R* said multiple times). Want to play the singleplayer story, you will have to pay.

 

Possible but highly doubt it as it would cut down their income from it.

[greenrock]

funmw2 reputation is ruined if this turns out to be fake right?

[streetx1xracer]

funmw2 reputation is ruined if this turns out to be fake right?

How? He didn't confirm or deny. All he said we will see next week.

[Re-Dragon-Cro]

 

funmw2 reputation is ruined if this turns out to be fake right?

How? He didn't confirm or deny. All he said we will see next week.

 

Correct, this information is something his source gave him.Somebody who suposedly found the Executive and Other Criminals update 3-5 months prior to the release.

Edited December 24, 2015 by Re-Dragon-Cro

[greenrock]

 

 

funmw2 reputation is ruined if this turns out to be fake right?

How? He didn't confirm or deny. All he said we will see next week.

 

Correct, this information is something his source gave him.Somebody who suposedly found the Executive and Other Criminals update 3-5 months prior to the release.

 

who is his source?

 

 

rockstar?

[Re-Dragon-Cro]

 

 

 

funmw2 reputation is ruined if this turns out to be fake right?

How? He didn't confirm or deny. All he said we will see next week.

 

Correct, this information is something his source gave him.Somebody who suposedly found the Executive and Other Criminals update 3-5 months prior to the release.

 

who is his source?

 

 

rockstar?

 

He hasn't revealed his source, obviously for a good reason.

[burger_mike]

 

 

 

funmw2 reputation is ruined if this turns out to be fake right?

How? He didn't confirm or deny. All he said we will see next week.

 

Correct, this information is something his source gave him.Somebody who suposedly found the Executive and Other Criminals update 3-5 months prior to the release.

 

who is his source?

 

 

rockstar?

 

 

secret

[Maxxeine]

funmw2 reputation is ruined if this turns out to be fake right?

No. All he said was "we'll find out". He never explicitly confirmed or denied Liberty being true. He only gave us a time period in which to look out for.

 

Fun's made mistakes in the past; all leakers do. But it won't ruin his reputation if it is false.

[SmileyBandito]

 

How about this possibility: a remaster of IV and the simultaneous addition of Liberty City to Online (but only for people who buy the remaster).

Mehh

 

I already hated the idea of having to buy LCS (which is a great game btw don't get me wrong) to get a t-shirt on V. I know I'm paying for the game instead of actually paying for the content I'm getting on V, but at the same time I feel annoyed knowing that I'm locked away from this content unless I buy something else, something that I may not use at all, but this is the only way to get said content on the game I want to play.

 

I'd much rather just directly buy dlc at a fair price instead of having to buy a secondary product to get it.

You spent $7 for a low-textured, virtual piece of clothing online? Geez, no wonder why Rockstar makes easy bank from GTAO.

[Pete4000uk]

Hope this won't bevanother heist saga