Armour tests (Savage, new car, Buzzard, and Ruffian)

[Maxxi]

Formatting here on mobile is all sorts of f*cked up.

 

 

OT: That is kind of disturbing that it only takes 4 shots of a high powered pistol to destroy. It is supposed to be a flying fortress. With the current state of its handling, it needs more armor to cope with the gunfire, not a balance of weapons to armor. Sure it has a short-range machine cannon and bottomless rockets (which only lock onto vehicles), but it shouldn't be made out of paper mache.

[C64fanatic]

I have done "The Los Santos Connection" solo in my Savage more times than I can count, and it very rarely begins to smoke. I guess it's more reselient to NPC bullets. It's quite different in Free Mode, but I only rarely attack other players, so for me it's not a problem.

Edited December 19, 2015 by C64fanatic

[MrTroubleMaker]

Thanks, wow they are week.

[Hunter]

Thanks, wow they are week.

If you haven't already, I would definitely hold off on buying the Savage. It's just incredibly weak.

 

I've emailed them to point out how weak it/helicopters are, and though it probably won't do anything, well I can always hope. You never know anyway, maybe one day. I'm sure I can't be the only person who's emailed them.

 

I will probably test a few more vehicles at some point as well, by the way.

[Arachne]

Imagine if there was an "Ruffian needs a nerf" thread in here.I could be laughing my ass off if that was a thing!

Edited December 19, 2015 by Arachne

[Mattoropael]

 

The Hind is called the Flying Tank.

 

Just look at the sorry excuse we call a Rhino in GTAO. "Incredibly fragile metal coffin" is apparently what the word "tank" means to Rockstar.

 

 

It can take 3-4 rpgs and TON of bullets, it has unlimited shells and can be delivered to you constantly for a small fee.

 

Theres nothing really wrong with the tank. Unless you think it should be a one man troll machine. Which at this point goes to the hydra which should be nerfed

 

 

I doubt I mind too much about the durability against RPGs, but the biggest problem of the thing to me is that it takes damage from a) cars exploding near it, and b) its own gun.

Edited December 19, 2015 by Mattoropael

[Urustay Gordov Matt D.]

 

 

The Hind is called the Flying Tank.

 

Just look at the sorry excuse we call a Rhino in GTAO. "Incredibly fragile metal coffin" is apparently what the word "tank" means to Rockstar.

 

It can take 3-4 rpgs and TON of bullets, it has unlimited shells and can be delivered to you constantly for a small fee.

 

Theres nothing really wrong with the tank. Unless you think it should be a one man troll machine. Which at this point goes to the hydra which should be nerfed

 

I doubt I mind too much about the durability against RPGs, but the biggest problem of the thing to me is that it takes damage from a) cars exploding near it, and b) its own gun.

Dont forget about homing launchers. Smart people can evade rpgs, but not homing missiles.

[A Madvillain]

A flare gun can damage the Savage.

 

 

Hell, even looking at it for a long time will end up destroying it.

[Mattoropael]

 

 

 

The Hind is called the Flying Tank.

 

Just look at the sorry excuse we call a Rhino in GTAO. "Incredibly fragile metal coffin" is apparently what the word "tank" means to Rockstar.

 

It can take 3-4 rpgs and TON of bullets, it has unlimited shells and can be delivered to you constantly for a small fee.

 

Theres nothing really wrong with the tank. Unless you think it should be a one man troll machine. Which at this point goes to the hydra which should be nerfed

 

I doubt I mind too much about the durability against RPGs, but the biggest problem of the thing to me is that it takes damage from a) cars exploding near it, and b) its own gun.

Dont forget about homing launchers. Smart people can evade rpgs, but not homing missiles.

 

 

Not a tank expert, but I'd assume taking cover behind buildings and such should help.

 

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Hunter]

 

 

 

 

 

The Hind is called the Flying Tank.

 

Just look at the sorry excuse we call a Rhino in GTAO. "Incredibly fragile metal coffin" is apparently what the word "tank" means to Rockstar.

 

It can take 3-4 rpgs and TON of bullets, it has unlimited shells and can be delivered to you constantly for a small fee.

 

Theres nothing really wrong with the tank. Unless you think it should be a one man troll machine. Which at this point goes to the hydra which should be nerfed

 

I doubt I mind too much about the durability against RPGs, but the biggest problem of the thing to me is that it takes damage from a) cars exploding near it, and b) its own gun.

Dont forget about homing launchers. Smart people can evade rpgs, but not homing missiles.

 

 

 

 

You can apply some helicopter tactics to the tank to get around most homing launchers. Hiding around the corners of buildings, making sure you know exactly where the enemy is/that you can get them the moment you pop out.

 

That's assuming you have buildings everywhere though, you won't always have the ideal situations that let you do stuff like that. If you get caught out, you won't have much luck dodging a homing launcher in a tank.

 

That's more a problem with the homing launcher rather than the tank though, in my opinion - I mean it probably shouldn't be locking onto ground vehicles in the first place.

[GAUNTLET HELLFIRE]

 

 

 

 

We can only ask Rockstar for one thing, and given they pretty much demonstrated the power of the newer consoles, i dont think it would be a problem to introduce flares rather than the ridicolous armor buff.

Have you ever heard of the real Hind, and the damage it could take?

 

4 bullets exploding a Hind attack helicopter is ridiculous? Right ...

 

In other news, more vehicle tests are coming up soon.

Dude you are talking realism in a game where people can carry 50 weapons once, where people can move their vehicles while they are in the air, where people ressurect every time they die.

 

 

....Hey man. You remember when you started this topic. Funny that when you complain about something important to you and your jet trolling its an issue.

 

 

http://gtaforums.com/topic/833419-the-yacht-defence-system-is-ridicolously-op/page-1

 

 

Yet when players just wanting to change or fix other aspects of the game. You are all of a sudden all Mr "Its fine the way it is, go play invite only and nothing should be changed"

 

 

So.. if your stupid jet trolling gets cut short by the yachts defense... then that needs to be fixed. Because you said so... Anything else is just not that important

Learn to read. I said that the yacht defence should be technically avoidable, at the actual state its not. I never said it should be easy, but it shouldnt be impossible either. With the Savage its technically possible to dodge missiles, altough its much hard to do it. I had luck and dodged some of the homing missiles in my savage, but with the yachts defence luck doesnt exist, it is programmed like that so aircrafts who try to engage the said yacht get randomly exploded out of the sky.

 

The yacht defence is more avoidable than RPGs, homing launchers and bullets all you have to do is stay away from the yacht and let people enjoy the thing they paid up to $10 million for and not annoy them.

[C64fanatic]

 

Thanks, wow they are week.

 

If you haven't already, I would definitely hold off on buying the Savage. It's just incredibly weak.

 

I've emailed them to point out how weak it/helicopters are, and though it probably won't do anything, well I can always hope. You never know anyway, maybe one day. I'm sure I can't be the only person who's emailed them.

 

I will probably test a few more vehicles at some point as well, by the way.

Lol - for me it's the best chopper for missions .

 

About the Savage I recommend reading this thread: http://gtaforums.com/topic/811783-is-the-savage-worth-it/

Edited December 20, 2015 by C64fanatic

[Urustay Gordov Matt D.]

The savage is good ad it is. Its the best vehicle for missions, so it doesnt need to be the best one in free roam also. Icanthinkofonew, if you want to fight the homing missiles in public lobbies, get yourself a hydra/lazer.The savages are good for those who grind missions, and, as said before, it doesnt need to be buffed. There are other underpowered things that should be buffed also, but r didnt do anything about those

[Hunter]

 

The savage is good ad it is. Its the best vehicle for missions, so it doesnt need to be the best one in free roam also. Icanthinkofonew, if you want to fight the homing missiles in public lobbies, get yourself a hydra/lazer.The savages are good for those who grind missions, and, as said before, it doesnt need to be buffed. There are other underpowered things that should be buffed also, but r didnt do anything about those

 

I already have a Hydra. It's incredibly overpowered, so I prefer to use helicopters these days.

I'm not exactly the only one who thinks it's too weak anyway, so I reckon I'll stick to my guns.

[Urustay Gordov Matt D.]

 

 

The savage is good ad it is. Its the best vehicle for missions, so it doesnt need to be the best one in free roam also. Icanthinkofonew, if you want to fight the homing missiles in public lobbies, get yourself a hydra/lazer.The savages are good for those who grind missions, and, as said before, it doesnt need to be buffed. There are other underpowered things that should be buffed also, but r didnt do anything about those

 

I already have a Hydra. It's incredibly overpowered, so I prefer to use helicopters these days.

I'm not exactly the only one who thinks it's too weak anyway, so I reckon I'll stick to my guns.

Then stick to the helicopters, nobody forced you to use hydras/lazers.But dont come to whine about the savage to not withstand homing missiles if you cant evade them properly, it was your choice after all, and you knew the risks. As said above, there are other vehicles that have a major buff priority and that havent been buffed yet, so there isnt anything to blame on Rockstar if they havent still buffed the savage.

Get better and learn to evade homing missiles in your savage, as it is technically possible, unlike other things, like dodging the yachts defense system.

Edited December 20, 2015 by Urustay Gordov

[B00Minyourface]

 

The Hind is called the Flying Tank.

 

Just look at the sorry excuse we call a Rhino in GTAO. "Incredibly fragile metal coffin" is apparently what the word "tank" means to Rockstar.

Absolutely. I mean it can take several direct hits from only several RPGs and still be active! It should be immune to rockets all together! I mean really, there's no reason several anti tank rockets should kill a tank! That's absurd!

Yep, and anyway the tank was deliberately toned down byR* ages ago because everyone was complaining about how crazy OP it was - I think it used to take at least 10 direct RPG hits before you were in trouble and freeroam was constantly being trolled by children.

 

I do agree that the savage could do with a little bit of a buff though, given its cannon range and manoeverability shortcomings, it would be nice if the first RPG wounded you, and the second finished you off - at least you'd have a fighting chance of getting away from a battle once the homing missiles came out.

 

To Urustay's comment about being able to dodge homing missiles in a savage - with the greatest of respect - video please, or it didn't happen. Unless you are lucky enough to be near a building that you can get behind in 2 seconds, you're screwed when someone shoots a homer at you. The buzzard is the only chopper that I know can sometimes dodge a missile.

Edited December 20, 2015 by B00Minyourface

[Hunter]

 

 

 

 

 

The savage is good ad it is. Its the best vehicle for missions, so it doesnt need to be the best one in free roam also. Icanthinkofonew, if you want to fight the homing missiles in public lobbies, get yourself a hydra/lazer.The savages are good for those who grind missions, and, as said before, it doesnt need to be buffed. There are other underpowered things that should be buffed also, but r didnt do anything about those

 

I already have a Hydra. It's incredibly overpowered, so I prefer to use helicopters these days.

I'm not exactly the only one who thinks it's too weak anyway, so I reckon I'll stick to my guns.

Then stick to the helicopters, nobody forced you to use hydras/lazers.But dont come to whine about the savage to not withstand homing missiles if you cant evade them properly, it was your choice after all, and you knew the risks. As said above, there are other vehicles that have a major buff priority and that havent been buffed yet, so there isnt anything to blame on Rockstar if they havent still buffed the savage.

Get better and learn to evade homing missiles in your savage, as it is technically possible, unlike other things, like dodging the yachts defense system.

 

 

Or I can just complain until they fix the armour on this helicopter, which is clearly broken/unbalanced. What are you going to do about it?

 

Besides, I didn't actually say anything about it surviving homing missiles - I merely said that it should survive more than four bullets from a revolver. Hardly an unrealistic target. As for the other underpowered vehicles, there's the Annihilator yeah. They can fix that too while they're at it.

 

And the yacht's defense system is easy enough to dodge. Even helicopters can do it. You just need to get the hang of it.

[Hunter]

 

 

 

 

The Hind is called the Flying Tank.

 

Just look at the sorry excuse we call a Rhino in GTAO. "Incredibly fragile metal coffin" is apparently what the word "tank" means to Rockstar.

Absolutely. I mean it can take several direct hits from only several RPGs and still be active! It should be immune to rockets all together! I mean really, there's no reason several anti tank rockets should kill a tank! That's absurd!

Yep, and anyway the tank was deliberately toned down byR* ages ago because everyone was complaining about how crazy OP it was - I think it used to take at least 10 direct RPG hits before you were in trouble and freeroam was constantly being trolled by children.

 

I do agree that the savage could do with a little bit of a buff though, given its cannon range and manoeverability shortcomings, it would be nice if the first RPG wounded you, and the second finished you off - at least you'd have a fighting chance of getting away from a battle once the homing missiles came out.

 

To Urustay's comment about being able to dodge homing missiles in a savage - with the greatest of respect - video please, or it didn't happen. Unless you are lucky enough to be near a building that you can get behind in 2 seconds, you're screwed when someone shoots a homer at you. The buzzard is the only chopper that I know can sometimes dodge a missile.

 

 

 

It is technically possible to dodge a homing launcher in the Savage, but it's very difficult/unlikely. So it's possible, but in the same way that it's technically possible a random stranger off the street might hand you a suitcase full of money - i.e. not very likely.

[Hunter]

There'll be more tests coming soon, if anyone's interested.

[Hunter]

I've updated the original topic again to include a few more. I'll list them here:

 

Cargobob: 8 shots.

 

SuperVolito Carbon: 7 shots.

 

Valkyrie: 4 shots.

 

Blazer (unmodified): 19 shots.

 

Seashark: 2 shots.

 

Counting how many bullets each vehicle takes probably isn't the most accurate way t measure armour, but it's all I've got, and it gives a general idea of things anyway.

 

Also, while the Cargobob only survives 8 shots, it can actually survive a homing launcher missile (as long as it's in perfect condition). I think armour similar to the Cargobob, but with more bullet resistance, could work pretty well on the Savage.

 

But we'll just have to settle for it being weaker than a quadbike for now.