Armour tests (Savage, new car, Buzzard, and Ruffian)

[Hunter]

I will update this thread with the same test on other vehicles soon.

[.Vooodu.]

If theres one air craft that should be able to take extra bullets. This should be the one. I just did some test with it to.. And ya, that makes no sense really. Sort of too funny.

[Urustay Gordov Matt D.]

 

survive.....maybe....not soak it up though.....after it woud get hit by a homing launcher rocket it shoud crash within the minute

 

That'd be great in my opinion. It really needs more resistance to bullets anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Hind is called the Flying Tank.

 

Just look at the sorry excuse we call a Rhino in GTAO. "Incredibly fragile metal coffin" is apparently what the word "tank" means to Rockstar.

 

 

It can take 3-4 rpgs and TON of bullets, it has unlimited shells and can be delivered to you constantly for a small fee.

 

Theres nothing really wrong with the tank. Unless you think it should be a one man troll machine. Which at this point goes to the hydra which should be nerfed

Fu*k off, every time i see you you complain about jets because you cant take them out, you are a noob.

Git Gud HulioG, and then your words will have a weight.

 

WHat makes you think i can't take down jets? LMFAO

 

I never claimed i can't down jets....ever.

 

I've always claimed to not want to DEAL with jets constantly. Key word is constantly... because GTA is NOT always about fighting damn jet trolls. Learn how to read before you run your mouth.

 

 

 

 

Back on topic.. I agree that the chopper should be able to take more bullets.

 

Seriously, get over it. If you cant deal with them, stay on I/O lobbies, players play the way they want. 2 years already passed and they havent still nerfed them. I guess how many times you have been killed by jets to be that butthurt.

Git gud.

 

 

Oooh f*ck f*ck sakes dude. STFU already.

 

I rarely get killed by jets. Because i know how to deal with them.. Seriously.

 

 

AGAIN... its that i don`t want to constantly DEAL with jet trolls which is the issue.

 

 

Jet trolls means i have to stop what im doing and go into ANTI JET troll mode. Theres certain things i change up to deal with them and those things deter form the rest of the FUN things going on in free roam. Like events to pvp with actual players on the ground.

 

So... Get over yourself and your stupid jet. You`re not special and anyone can use them to troll lobbies. Stop trolling this topic.. and get back on the actual topic which is about the armor of the chopper.

 

Sheesh.

I never said i am special for killing players with jets, i only find it funny.Do you think you are special for playing auto aim?.I played a lot of deathmatches on free aim, and have a kd of 3.44 on my other character(the old one, with which i never trolled anyone in freeroam).Imo, get gud and take down some jets if you want someone to listen to you.

On topic, the savage is good the way it is, buzzards have better armor because its cockpit is less bulletproof and it has actually a pea shooter, compared to the savage's explosive cannons. Jets have explosive cannons too, but its less powerful than that of the savage and they have to be aimed while moving at supersonic speeds. Choppers dont have this problem, and its a great advantage over jets if you want to blow up ground players.

 

 

 

 

Does this topic really have to be turned into a penis - measuring contest?

 

Also, the jets explosive cannons are exactly the same as the Savage's cannon. Jets are stronger too, I'm pretty sure. They can also dodge homing launchers quite easily.

Jets cannons arent exactly as the savage's one, the savage's cannon has a bigger splash radius, and yeah, you are right about that the savage cant dodge homing missiles, but nott everything is fair, if we want to make everything fair why dont we make the bullet GT as good as other supers at the first place?Or why dont we nerf the automatic shotgun so players with the sawed off shotgun could have a fair chance?Or while we are about choppers, why dont we give to the annihilator rocket pods so it can deal against savages and buzzards?

Get over it, the savage had weak armor from day one and most probably it will remain the same.There are other bigger balance issues that havent been solved yet.Jets are the balance issue on armed aircrafts in general, but its R who decides after all, so we cant do nothing about it.

Edited December 19, 2015 by Urustay Gordov

[Hunter]

 

 

 

 

survive.....maybe....not soak it up though.....after it woud get hit by a homing launcher rocket it shoud crash within the minute

That'd be great in my opinion. It really needs more resistance to bullets anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Hind is called the Flying Tank.

 

Just look at the sorry excuse we call a Rhino in GTAO. "Incredibly fragile metal coffin" is apparently what the word "tank" means to Rockstar.

 

It can take 3-4 rpgs and TON of bullets, it has unlimited shells and can be delivered to you constantly for a small fee.

 

Theres nothing really wrong with the tank. Unless you think it should be a one man troll machine. Which at this point goes to the hydra which should be nerfed

Fu*k off, every time i see you you complain about jets because you cant take them out, you are a noob.

Git Gud HulioG, and then your words will have a weight.

WHat makes you think i can't take down jets? LMFAO

 

I never claimed i can't down jets....ever.

 

I've always claimed to not want to DEAL with jets constantly. Key word is constantly... because GTA is NOT always about fighting damn jet trolls. Learn how to read before you run your mouth.

 

 

 

 

Back on topic.. I agree that the chopper should be able to take more bullets.

Seriously, get over it. If you cant deal with them, stay on I/O lobbies, players play the way they want. 2 years already passed and they havent still nerfed them. I guess how many times you have been killed by jets to be that butthurt.

Git gud.

 

Oooh f*ck f*ck sakes dude. STFU already.

 

I rarely get killed by jets. Because i know how to deal with them.. Seriously.

 

 

AGAIN... its that i don`t want to constantly DEAL with jet trolls which is the issue.

 

 

Jet trolls means i have to stop what im doing and go into ANTI JET troll mode. Theres certain things i change up to deal with them and those things deter form the rest of the FUN things going on in free roam. Like events to pvp with actual players on the ground.

 

So... Get over yourself and your stupid jet. You`re not special and anyone can use them to troll lobbies. Stop trolling this topic.. and get back on the actual topic which is about the armor of the chopper.

 

Sheesh.

I never said i am special for killing players with jets, i only find it funny.Do you think you are special for playing auto aim?.I played a lot of deathmatches on free aim, and have a kd of 3.44 on my other character(the old one, with which i never trolled anyone in freeroam).Imo, get gud and take down some jets if you want someone to listen to you.

On topic, the savage is good the way it is, buzzards have better armor because its cockpit is less bulletproof and it has actually a pea shooter, compared to the savage's explosive cannons. Jets have explosive cannons too, but its less powerful than that of the savage and they have to be aimed while moving at supersonic speeds. Choppers dont have this problem, and its a great advantage over jets if you want to blow up ground players.

 

 

 

Does this topic really have to be turned into a penis - measuring contest?

 

Also, the jets explosive cannons are exactly the same as the Savage's cannon. Jets are stronger too, I'm pretty sure. They can also dodge homing launchers quite easily.

Jets cannons arent exactly as the savage's one, the savage's cannon has a bigger splash radius, and yeah, you are right about that the savage cant dodge homing missiles, but nott everything is fair, if we want to make everything fair why dont we make the bullet GT as good as other supers at the first place?Or why dont we nerf the automatic shotgun so players with the sawed off shotgun could have a fair chance?Or while we are about choppers, why dont we give to the annihilator rocket pods so it can deal against savages and buzzards?

Get over it, the savage had weak armor from day one and most probably it will remain the same.There are other bigger balance issues that havent been solved yet.Jets are the balance issue on armed aircrafts in general, but its R who decides after all, so we cant do nothing about it.

 

 

 

We can complain and try to make sure our voices are heard, which is what a lot of us are doing. But then some people keep saying "stop whining", etc. It's like they don't want the game to be the best it can be.

[.Vooodu.]

 

Get over it, the savage had weak armor from day one and most probably it will remain the same.There are other bigger balance issues that havent been solved yet.

 

 

Dude... are you done talking sh*t yet.

 

Its funny that you sit there running your mouth about nothing changing anything. And everything is fine.. because its been like that since day one.

 

Yet the 1st day the yachts came out you made a topic wanting the Yacht defensive system nerfed because it kept blowing you and your jet out the sky.

 

 

The irony of it all..lol

Edited December 19, 2015 by HulioG

[Urustay Gordov Matt D.]

We can only ask Rockstar for one thing, and given they pretty much demonstrated the power of the newer consoles, i dont think it would be a problem to introduce flares rather than the ridicolous armor buff.

[Hunter]

We can only ask Rockstar for one thing, and given they pretty much demonstrated the power of the newer consoles, i dont think it would be a problem to introduce flares rather than the ridicolous armor buff.

Have you ever heard of the real Hind, and the damage it could take?

 

4 bullets exploding a Hind attack helicopter is ridiculous? Right ...

 

In other news, more vehicle tests are coming up soon.

Edited December 19, 2015 by Icantthinkofonew

[Urustay Gordov Matt D.]

 

We can only ask Rockstar for one thing, and given they pretty much demonstrated the power of the newer consoles, i dont think it would be a problem to introduce flares rather than the ridicolous armor buff.

 

Have you ever heard of the real Hind, and the damage it could take?

 

4 bullets exploding a Hind attack helicopter is ridiculous? Right ...

 

In other news, more vehicle tests are coming up soon.

Dude you are talking realism in a game where people can carry 50 weapons once, where people can move their vehicles while they are in the air, where people ressurect every time they die.

[Hunter]

 

 

 

 

We can only ask Rockstar for one thing, and given they pretty much demonstrated the power of the newer consoles, i dont think it would be a problem to introduce flares rather than the ridicolous armor buff.

Have you ever heard of the real Hind, and the damage it could take?

 

4 bullets exploding a Hind attack helicopter is ridiculous? Right ...

 

In other news, more vehicle tests are coming up soon.

Dude you are talking realism in a game where people can carry 50 weapons once, where people can move their vehicles while they are in the air, where people ressurect every time they die.

 

 

 

It's a giant helicopter. It should be stronger than a bike.

 

It's not balanced either - the Savage has a tiny range on its weapons, can't actually aim them properly, doesn't have flares and has very little chance of dodging any homing launchers. So the least it could have is somewhat strong armour.

[.Vooodu.]

 

 

We can only ask Rockstar for one thing, and given they pretty much demonstrated the power of the newer consoles, i dont think it would be a problem to introduce flares rather than the ridicolous armor buff.

Have you ever heard of the real Hind, and the damage it could take?

 

4 bullets exploding a Hind attack helicopter is ridiculous? Right ...

 

In other news, more vehicle tests are coming up soon.

Dude you are talking realism in a game where people can carry 50 weapons once, where people can move their vehicles while they are in the air, where people ressurect every time they die.

 

 

 

....Hey man. You remember when you started this topic. Funny that when you complain about something important to you and your jet trolling its an issue.

 

 

http://gtaforums.com/topic/833419-the-yacht-defence-system-is-ridicolously-op/page-1

 

 

Yet when players just wanting to change or fix other aspects of the game. You are all of a sudden all Mr "Its fine the way it is, go play invite only and nothing should be changed"

 

 

So.. if your stupid jet trolling gets cut short by the yachts defense... then that needs to be fixed. Because you said so... Anything else is just not that important

Edited December 19, 2015 by HulioG

[Jammsbro]

If anything needs a buff it's the insurgent and Hydra.

 

Insurgent is as fast as a super car, can do off road, is brutally tough to kill and has a bitch of a gun. The hydra is nearly impossible to take down or even get lock on, and when you do it simply outruns the rocket.

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

 

 

Get over it, the savage had weak armor from day one and most probably it will remain the same.There are other bigger balance issues that havent been solved yet.

 

 

Dude... are you done talking sh*t yet.

 

Its funny that you sit there running your mouth about nothing changing anything. And everything is fine.. because its been like that since day one.

 

Yet the 1st day the yachts came out you made a topic wanting the Yacht defensive system nerfed because it kept blowing you and your jet out the sky.

 

 

The irony of it all..lol

 

its not ironic, bad jet griever is bad

[BitBasher]

The Hind is called the Flying Tank.

 

Just look at the sorry excuse we call a Rhino in GTAO. "Incredibly fragile metal coffin" is apparently what the word "tank" means to Rockstar.

 

Absolutely. I mean it can take several direct hits from only several RPGs and still be active! It should be immune to rockets all together! I mean really, there's no reason several anti tank rockets should kill a tank! That's absurd!

[Hunter]

I've edited the original post to feature four other vehicles, and tried to make it look a bit neater.

 

I'll just list the new ones here as well:

 

Hydra: 4 shots.

 

Annihilator: 7 shots.

 

Rancher (unmodified): 11 shots.

 

Hakuchou: 54 shots, possibly more.

 

Videos are in the original post.

[Miss Malevolent]

I tested the armour on the Savage, Buzzard, Ruffian, and one of those new armoured cars. Each time, I stood outside the vehicle and shot it with the new revolver (I'm aware vehicles are stronger when you're in them, but this is more to compare them to each other).

 

Savage: 4 shots (or 2 to the tail rotor).

 

Buzzard: 8 shots.

 

Car: 32 shots.

 

Ruffian: 37 shots.

I mean, if you're shooting at the Ruffian or the Hakuchou instead of the big open soft target riding on top of the impenetrable bike...you deserve to not get the kill.

[Urustay Gordov Matt D.]

 

 

 

We can only ask Rockstar for one thing, and given they pretty much demonstrated the power of the newer consoles, i dont think it would be a problem to introduce flares rather than the ridicolous armor buff.

Have you ever heard of the real Hind, and the damage it could take?

 

4 bullets exploding a Hind attack helicopter is ridiculous? Right ...

 

In other news, more vehicle tests are coming up soon.

Dude you are talking realism in a game where people can carry 50 weapons once, where people can move their vehicles while they are in the air, where people ressurect every time they die.

 

 

....Hey man. You remember when you started this topic. Funny that when you complain about something important to you and your jet trolling its an issue.

 

 

http://gtaforums.com/topic/833419-the-yacht-defence-system-is-ridicolously-op/page-1

 

 

Yet when players just wanting to change or fix other aspects of the game. You are all of a sudden all Mr "Its fine the way it is, go play invite only and nothing should be changed"

 

 

So.. if your stupid jet trolling gets cut short by the yachts defense... then that needs to be fixed. Because you said so... Anything else is just not that important

Learn to read. I said that the yacht defence should be technically avoidable, at the actual state its not. I never said it should be easy, but it shouldnt be impossible either. With the Savage its technically possible to dodge missiles, altough its much hard to do it. I had luck and dodged some of the homing missiles in my savage, but with the yachts defence luck doesnt exist, it is programmed like that so aircrafts who try to engage the said yacht get randomly exploded out of the sky.

[Hunter]

 

 

 

I tested the armour on the Savage, Buzzard, Ruffian, and one of those new armoured cars. Each time, I stood outside the vehicle and shot it with the new revolver (I'm aware vehicles are stronger when you're in them, but this is more to compare them to each other).

 

Savage: 4 shots (or 2 to the tail rotor).

 

Buzzard: 8 shots.

 

Car: 32 shots.

 

Ruffian: 37 shots.

 

 

 

 

Absolutely, but I'm just trying to show how skewed and warped the armour on gta's vehicles is.

 

Like, how can a small bike be stronger than a Savage? The Hydra is also as strong as the Savage, yet goes much faster/is more maneuverable, etc.

 

The Savage, being massive and clumsy, should at least be strong, in my opinion.

Edited December 19, 2015 by Icantthinkofonew

[Miss Malevolent]

Absolutely, but I'm just trying to show how skewed and warped the armour on gta's vehicles is.

 

Like, how can a small bike be stronger than a Savage? The Hydra is also as strong as the Savage, yet goes much faster/is more maneuverable, etc.

 

The Savage, being massive and clumsy, should at least be strong, in my opinion.

To my thinking it could be that you're more apt to fall off the bike or crash into things, so if the armor were weaker, you'd constantly be exploding. So they buffed it over the other things.

 

However, there is no rational excuse I can come up with why the Savage is so weak.

 

 

Learn to read. I said that the yacht defence should be technically avoidable, at the actual state its not. I never said it should be easy, but it shouldnt be impossible either. With the Savage its technically possible to dodge missiles, altough its much hard to do it. I had luck and dodged some of the homing missiles in my savage, but with the yachts defence luck doesnt exist, it is programmed like that so aircrafts who try to engage the said yacht get randomly exploded out of the sky.

It is avoidable. You're given a warning. If you do not heed the warning. You go boom.

Edited December 19, 2015 by Miss Malevolent

[Mattoropael]

 

 

survive.....maybe....not soak it up though.....after it woud get hit by a homing launcher rocket it shoud crash within the minute

That'd be great in my opinion. It really needs more resistance to bullets anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Hind is called the Flying Tank.

 

Just look at the sorry excuse we call a Rhino in GTAO. "Incredibly fragile metal coffin" is apparently what the word "tank" means to Rockstar.

 

It can take 3-4 rpgs and TON of bullets, it has unlimited shells and can be delivered to you constantly for a small fee.

 

Theres nothing really wrong with the tank. Unless you think it should be a one man troll machine. Which at this point goes to the hydra which should be nerfed

Fu*k off, every time i see you you complain about jets because you cant take them out, you are a noob.

Git Gud HulioG, and then your words will have a weight.

WHat makes you think i can't take down jets? LMFAO

 

I never claimed i can't down jets....ever.

 

I've always claimed to not want to DEAL with jets constantly. Key word is constantly... because GTA is NOT always about fighting damn jet trolls. Learn how to read before you run your mouth.

 

 

 

 

Back on topic.. I agree that the chopper should be able to take more bullets.

Seriously, get over it. If you cant deal with them, stay on I/O lobbies, players play the way they want. 2 years already passed and they havent still nerfed them. I guess how many times you have been killed by jets to be that butthurt.

Git gud.

 

Oooh f*ck f*ck sakes dude. STFU already.

 

I rarely get killed by jets. Because i know how to deal with them.. Seriously.

 

 

AGAIN... its that i don`t want to constantly DEAL with jet trolls which is the issue.

 

 

Jet trolls means i have to stop what im doing and go into ANTI JET troll mode. Theres certain things i change up to deal with them and those things deter form the rest of the FUN things going on in free roam. Like events to pvp with actual players on the ground.

 

So... Get over yourself and your stupid jet. You`re not special and anyone can use them to troll lobbies. Stop trolling this topic.. and get back on the actual topic which is about the armor of the chopper.

 

Sheesh.

I never said i am special for killing players with jets, i only find it funny.Do you think you are special for playing auto aim?.I played a lot of deathmatches on free aim, and have a kd of 3.44 on my other character(the old one, with which i never trolled anyone in freeroam).Imo, get gud and take down some jets if you want someone to listen to you.

On topic, the savage is good the way it is, buzzards have better armor because its cockpit is less bulletproof and it has actually a pea shooter, compared to the savage's explosive cannons. Jets have explosive cannons too, but its less powerful than that of the savage and they have to be aimed while moving at supersonic speeds. Choppers dont have this problem, and its a great advantage over jets if you want to blow up ground players.

 

 

 

Does this topic really have to be turned into a penis - measuring contest?

 

Also, the jets explosive cannons are exactly the same as the Savage's cannon. Jets are stronger too, I'm pretty sure. They can also dodge homing launchers quite easily.

Jets cannons arent exactly as the savage's one, the savage's cannon has a bigger splash radius, and yeah, you are right about that the savage cant dodge homing missiles, but nott everything is fair, if we want to make everything fair why dont we make the bullet GT as good as other supers at the first place?Or why dont we nerf the automatic shotgun so players with the sawed off shotgun could have a fair chance?Or while we are about choppers, why dont we give to the annihilator rocket pods so it can deal against savages and buzzards?

Get over it, the savage had weak armor from day one and most probably it will remain the same.There are other bigger balance issues that havent been solved yet.Jets are the balance issue on armed aircrafts in general, but its R who decides after all, so we cant do nothing about it.

 

 

On the hand, the jet's cannons have considerably longer range than the Savage's (even though it's still laughably short). Why R* went out of their way to make the Savage's gun short-handed is beyond me.

[Urustay Gordov Matt D.]

 

Absolutely, but I'm just trying to show how skewed and warped the armour on gta's vehicles is.

 

Like, how can a small bike be stronger than a Savage? The Hydra is also as strong as the Savage, yet goes much faster/is more maneuverable, etc.

 

The Savage, being massive and clumsy, should at least be strong, in my opinion.

To my thinking it could be that you're more apt to fall off the bike or crash into things, so if the armor were weaker, you'd constantly be exploding. So they buffed it over the other things.

 

However, there is no rational excuse I can come up with why the Savage is so weak.

 

Learn to read. I said that the yacht defence should be technically avoidable, at the actual state its not. I never said it should be easy, but it shouldnt be impossible either. With the Savage its technically possible to dodge missiles, altough its much hard to do it. I had luck and dodged some of the homing missiles in my savage, but with the yachts defence luck doesnt exist, it is programmed like that so aircrafts who try to engage the said yacht get randomly exploded out of the sky.

It is avoidable. You're given a warning. If you do not heed the warning. You go boom.Exactly, if you get the warning you have to leave, with no chance to dodge the shot coming from the yacht because it works like a random explosion, so its not technically dodgable.With the Savage, on the other hand, you also get the warning if someone points a homing launcher towards you, but you can choose to leave (escape) or to actually try to dodge the homing missile, altough its much hard, but you can choose to leave or fight.

With the yacht you can choose to leave or "get blown up out of the sky no matter what do you do"

Edited December 19, 2015 by Urustay Gordov

[Hunter]

 

 

 

Absolutely, but I'm just trying to show how skewed and warped the armour on gta's vehicles is.

 

Like, how can a small bike be stronger than a Savage? The Hydra is also as strong as the Savage, yet goes much faster/is more maneuverable, etc.

 

The Savage, being massive and clumsy, should at least be strong, in my opinion.

To my thinking it could be that you're more apt to fall off the bike or crash into things, so if the armor were weaker, you'd constantly be exploding. So they buffed it over the other things.

 

However, there is no rational excuse I can come up with why the Savage is so weak.

 

 

 

 

 

That makes sense (about the bike crashing). I still badly wish the Savage was buffed though - it's so weak.

 

Oh well, I've sent a passionate email asking them to buff it anyway. Hopefully more people realise how weak it is and Rockstar eventually fix it.

 

If there are any vehicles people want tested, I'll probably be up for doing a few more.

 

 

 

 

Absolutely, but I'm just trying to show how skewed and warped the armour on gta's vehicles is.

 

Like, how can a small bike be stronger than a Savage? The Hydra is also as strong as the Savage, yet goes much faster/is more maneuverable, etc.

 

The Savage, being massive and clumsy, should at least be strong, in my opinion.

To my thinking it could be that you're more apt to fall off the bike or crash into things, so if the armor were weaker, you'd constantly be exploding. So they buffed it over the other things.

 

However, there is no rational excuse I can come up with why the Savage is so weak.

 

Learn to read. I said that the yacht defence should be technically avoidable, at the actual state its not. I never said it should be easy, but it shouldnt be impossible either. With the Savage its technically possible to dodge missiles, altough its much hard to do it. I had luck and dodged some of the homing missiles in my savage, but with the yachts defence luck doesnt exist, it is programmed like that so aircrafts who try to engage the said yacht get randomly exploded out of the sky.

It is avoidable. You're given a warning. If you do not heed the warning. You go boom.

Exactly, if you get the warning you have to leave, with no chance to dodge the shot coming from the yacht because it works like a random explosion, so its not technically dodgable.With the Savage, on the other hand, you also get the warning if someone points a homing launcher towards you, but you can choose to leave (escape) or to actually try to dodge the homing missile, altough its much hard, but you can choose to leave or fight.

With the yacht you can choose to leave or "get blown up out of the sky no matter what do you do"

 

 

Why do you need to be around the yachts in the first place? The homing launchers are different - they're carried by players so can be all over the map; meanwhile, the yachts are just out in the sea, minding their own business.

 

Besides, I have actually seen the yacht's defense being dodged. I think it just works differently to missiles.

Edited December 19, 2015 by Icantthinkofonew

[Miss Malevolent]

Exactly, if you get the warning you have to leave, with no chance to dodge the shot coming from the yacht because it works like a random explosion, so its not technically dodgable.With the Savage, on the other hand, you also get the warning if someone points a homing launcher towards you, but you can choose to leave (escape) or to actually try to dodge the homing missile, altough its much hard, but you can choose to leave or fight.

With the yacht you can choose to leave or "get blown up out of the sky no matter do what you"

You didn't say dodge-able. You said it wasn't avoidable. It is avoidable. You have a perimeter that you have to stay out of or you get a warning...first verbal then there might be a warning shot or two before it starts just shooting off until you're dead. And folks have avoided that as well. I've seen NPC Cops avoid it.

 

What you're complaining about is your inability to do strafing runs and avoid the projectile. On that, I will use the "git gud, scrub" because in your other thread, someone talked about how they were able to kill folks on the yacht with their jet or Savage (can't remember which). Now either they are lying, or they have learned how to avoid the projectile either way, the situation is avoidable. You not liking the choices doesn't mean it's unavoidable.

[BitBasher]

 

 

 

 

I tested the armour on the Savage, Buzzard, Ruffian, and one of those new armoured cars. Each time, I stood outside the vehicle and shot it with the new revolver (I'm aware vehicles are stronger when you're in them, but this is more to compare them to each other).

 

Savage: 4 shots (or 2 to the tail rotor).

 

Buzzard: 8 shots.

 

Car: 32 shots.

 

Ruffian: 37 shots.

 

 

 

 

Absolutely, but I'm just trying to show how skewed and warped the armour on gta's vehicles is.

 

Like, how can a small bike be stronger than a Savage? The Hydra is also as strong as the Savage, yet goes much faster/is more maneuverable, etc.

 

The Savage, being massive and clumsy, should at least be strong, in my opinion.

 

 

You are comparing two things that cannot be compared directly. It is totally irrelevant how many shots take out a motorcycle because you do not shoot a bike to stop it. You shoot the person on top of the bike which is completely exposed.

[Hunter]

Someone stole the helicopter straight off my yacht, flew away and avoided the defense system. So it's not impossible to dodge.

Edited December 19, 2015 by Icantthinkofonew

[Urustay Gordov Matt D.]

 

Exactly, if you get the warning you have to leave, with no chance to dodge the shot coming from the yacht because it works like a random explosion, so its not technically dodgable.With the Savage, on the other hand, you also get the warning if someone points a homing launcher towards you, but you can choose to leave (escape) or to actually try to dodge the homing missile, altough its much hard, but you can choose to leave or fight.

With the yacht you can choose to leave or "get blown up out of the sky no matter do what you"

You didn't say dodge-able. You said it wasn't avoidable. It is avoidable. You have a perimeter that you have to stay out of or you get a warning...first verbal then there might be a warning shot or two before it starts just shooting off until you're dead. And folks have avoided that as well. I've seen NPC Cops avoid it.

 

What you're complaining about is your inability to do strafing runs and avoid the projectile. On that, I will use the "git gud, scrub" because in your other thread, someone talked about how they were able to kill folks on the yacht with their jet or Savage (can't remember which). Now either they are lying, or they have learned how to avoid the projectile either way, the situation is avoidable. You not liking the choices doesn't mean it's unavoidable.

It isnt technically dodgable, the other folks said that you can make it in the yacht if you are not in any aircraft.And btw how did you see NPC cops to dodge it if the fantomatic "projectiles" you are talking about are invisible? Edited December 19, 2015 by Urustay Gordov

[Miss Malevolent]

It isnt technically dodgable, the other folks said that you can make it in the yacht if you are not in any aircraft.And btw how did you see NPC cops to dodge it if the fantomatic "projectiles" are invisible?

You're expecting a missile trail. Those are explosive projectiles coming out of the Yachts, thus no trail. I saw the explosion of the projectile when it missed the NPC Helicopter before it high tailed it out of there.

[Hunter]

 

 

 

 

Exactly, if you get the warning you have to leave, with no chance to dodge the shot coming from the yacht because it works like a random explosion, so its not technically dodgable.With the Savage, on the other hand, you also get the warning if someone points a homing launcher towards you, but you can choose to leave (escape) or to actually try to dodge the homing missile, altough its much hard, but you can choose to leave or fight.

With the yacht you can choose to leave or "get blown up out of the sky no matter do what you"

You didn't say dodge-able. You said it wasn't avoidable. It is avoidable. You have a perimeter that you have to stay out of or you get a warning...first verbal then there might be a warning shot or two before it starts just shooting off until you're dead. And folks have avoided that as well. I've seen NPC Cops avoid it.

 

What you're complaining about is your inability to do strafing runs and avoid the projectile. On that, I will use the "git gud, scrub" because in your other thread, someone talked about how they were able to kill folks on the yacht with their jet or Savage (can't remember which). Now either they are lying, or they have learned how to avoid the projectile either way, the situation is avoidable. You not liking the choices doesn't mean it's unavoidable.

It isnt technically dodgable, the other folks said that you can make it in the yacht if you are not in any aircraft.And btw how did you see NPC cops to dodge it if the fantomatic "projectiles" you are talking about are invisible?

 

 

I've put a gif just a few posts above, I think it closes the case. Hopefully it's showing up for everyone else.

[GhostlySentinel]

^It fires a few warning shots before the kill.

 

I am rather curious as to where you shot the Hind and the car/bike, because it takes two rounds in the gas tank to blow up a car, and no more than a a dozen to the engine black, but I haven't pointedly tested that yet. We're the car and bike armored PVs? Were you shooting the doors?

Edited December 19, 2015 by GhostlySentinel

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

the ideal savage in my head:

 

 

woud have the gun it currently has but with a much better range while having way less spash damage

the rockets shoud come in 2 modes:

- the one mode fires rockets at a pace even slower then that of the buzzard, but those rockets are guided and kill anything it hits in one go

-the second mode fires a load of rockets,even at a faster pace then they currently do on the savage, but they can not be guided and there radius on impact is also low and the damage shoud be able to blow up a car if its a straight impact but only severely damage it if it misses a tad

 

the armor shoud not be able to be killed by any homing launcher rocket instantly but it shoud be so damaged it woud crahs within 30 seconds

rpg's shoud be able to kill it instantly

complete resistance against anything exept explosives and the heavy sniper rifle

the cockpit being bullet proof completely

the rotors withstanding anything exept rockets

 

the performance is about right, exept for the fact i feel the straight line speed of the savage shoud get a huge buff, so it can do straffes like it does in real life

 

seems well balanced for me

[Hunter]

^It fires a few warning shots before the kill.

 

I am rather curious as to where you shot the Hind and the car/bike, because it takes two rounds in the gas tank to blow up a car, and no more than a a dozen to the engine black, but I haven't pointedly tested that yet. We're the car and bike armored PVs? Were you shooting the doors?

For the Hind and other aircraft, I shot straight into the cockpit. The cars were mostly at the engine, with some shots going through the glass (but still into the car). The bikes were shot in several different places - it was harder to pinpoint an exact place to shoot them.

 

I'm not saying the tests are 100% accurate, in fact they're almost definitely not. But they do demonstrate how weak the Savage is in comparison to everything else - no matter where it's shot, a bike shouldn't take that many more bullets than a military helicopter.

 

Also, the armoured car, Hakuchou, and Ruffian were personal vehicles. The Rancher was just one off the street (so would be much weaker). Even the Rancher was stronger than the Savage though.