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SpriteFan274

GTA SA Special Vehicle Guide [2015]

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toomuchinvigilation

Well, I couldn't do the tractor method again, no matter how many times I tried, so I've figured an easier method would be very handy.

I don't think starving would be practical here, since it takes such a long time.

I tried the phone call/Blood Bowl glitch in "High Stakes, Low Rider", but it duplicated the mission automatically and then froze the game (black screen). I guess I'll try making this video from "Photo Opportunity" now.

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rhans

Cool, you are already trying to expand the missions you can apply this glitch. Shame it didn`t work for High Stakes, Low Rider, but it is nice that you had the initiative, that was one of the missions I had hopes you could obtain something doing that, but maybe not without doing something new and crazy again. I still don`t know which mission to try that, I heard something about the Leviathan in "Up, up and away" being obtainable. Or, if we can`t find new obtainable vehicles perhaps that could be useful to get vehicles that otherwise would require suicide.

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Lethal Vaccine

The AP Leviathan from Up, Up, and Away! is not obtainable. Only the DP Leviathan from Interdiction or creating your own EP/FP Leviathan using Gray Imports. Or just "make" a Leviathan AP for SA Mobile using the Girlfriend Trick.

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It's not about finding new Special Vehicles as everything is already written up from OrionSR. All that is left is trying to find a way to GET the Special Vehicle. The Vehicle itself and immunities on the Vehicles are already known...

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You can move it a little with shotgun you can try making something out of it,here is my video i already posted somewhere:

https://youtu.be/UHDW_Mjoxm0

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rhans

How did you dupe the mission without a call? What if before destroying the the first Leaviathan you use it to lift up there a towtruck or tractor (I dont even know if is possible to lift other vehicles) then you destroy the first one fail the mission and tow the second one?

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I tried a towtruck and was a complete disaster.

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The tractor barely left the ground, it could be draged around but I don`t see it being lifted all the way up there.

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i used a exe to set onmission 0, but it was testing dupe not actuall dupe,you might move first one then dupe mission and see what happens i dont really give it more attention.

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ABCDEFGHIJKLMNO

Isn't there EP Mothership and EP Sadler on Are You Going to San Fierro mission?

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Lethal Vaccine

EP Mothership is useless. AP Mothership found in Black Project. EP Sadler is useless. AP Sadler found in Tanker Commander. You can even PASS Tanker Commander and get the AP Sadler...

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There is also a BP/FP Greenwood in House Party, a DP/EP/FP/MP Greenwood in Reuniting the Families, FP Greenwood in Drive-By or Drive-Thru, EP Police in Reuniting the Families, EP/EC2 Admiral in You've Had Your Chips, and a plethora of FP Vehicles from the Races. NONE of these are added into the Guide since they are inferior as well as useless. I am not gonna add in a bunch of useless EP and useless FP Vehicles since you can convert ANY Vehicle into EP/FP using Gray Imports. EP/FP > EP. EP/FP > FP. With that said, I am not sure why I added in the EP Mule and EP Banshee. These Vehicles are useless and you can just make an EP/FP Mule with Gray Imports and an EP/FP Banshee with Gray Imports, too.

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There is only 68 spots to store Vehicles in SA and if you use the 3 Impounds, you can expand it to 77 spots, since each Impound can hold 3 extra Vehicles and the 17 Garages can hold 4 Vehicles each giving you a grand total of 77 Vehicles. If you add up the entire Vehicle Database in SA (EP/FP Conversion using Gray Imports and AP Conversion using Girlfriends - Mobile Only), plus every existing Special Vehicle in SA that is obtainable from the Story Missions, you'd come up with something like 350-400 Vehicles. So you need to choose wisely and prioritize what you will obtain. The Special Vehicles I obtained for my PS2 Save which I show everyone on Page 1 has all the essential Special Vehicles in it. The DP/EP/FP/MP Police and DP Leviathan are the only ones missing that I wish I had in it. I am also missing the Mutant Greenwood and both EC Nebulas, too. But again, it's all about prioritizing. I purposely skipped the Mutant Greenwood and both EC Nebulas, however, the Police was the same old, same old impossible nonsense and the DP Leviathan was discovered ONE WEEK AFTER I passed Interdiction and got the EC Black Maverick. If it was discovered sooner, I would of got it...

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toomuchinvigilation

Here is the video of obtaining all AP cars from Photo Opportunity on PC with no cheats and no mods:

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Lethal Vaccine

Excellent man! Give me a little bit and I will update the Guide again and add in all the new Vehicles and this Video. You will get the main credit, since you made the Video, however, Bender and Patrick will also get credit since it seemed to be a Team Effort for this one, lol :D:p

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toomuchinvigilation

Thanks. I have some more suggestions and ideas, but I need to take a break first.

There are links to part 2 and part 3 in the description.

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Lethal Vaccine

Guide Updated!

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All of the AP Vehicles from Photo Opportunity are now added into the Guide as well as the newest and most up to date Video, thanks to toomuchinvigilation! :)

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I have some questions. Do you think this would work on PS2 or any other Platform other than PC? Also, how many Deaths register in your Stats from this? Once, or twice? I see you die while entering the red marker in Angel Pine and then I see you die after going into the red marker in Driving School. Does this require 2 Deaths in the Stats or just 1? How about Mission Failures? What is going on with the Stats when you use Blood Bowl and all this and that? I'd like to really understand this so I can explain what is going on in the Description in the Guide for these Vehicles. :)

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toomuchinvigilation

Sorry, I've never even used any console or mobile platform, so I have no idea how they would behave. I don't care about stats, so I didn't check them. That death at the Driving School seems to happen randomly, so it can be avoided. After cancelling the phone call from Jethro you're not technically on a mission, so there shouldn't be any Mission Failures.

Why won't you try this method yourself to better understand it? I could send you a save file.

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About the guide, I have some suggestions:

1) AP Glendale - "(...) run over Sweet to fail the Mission" - Sweet is not present in this mission, I guess you meant Cesar?

2) AP Savanna - pushing this car is annoying, but I find it much easier to get a Dozer along the way (from the junkyard) and continue pushing the wreck with it.

3) AP Tampa - maybe you could add the "parachute method" for people who don't care about mission failures? It seems to be a simpler method than getting this car with passing the mission.

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BTW: I've checked and confirmed bug777's claim that you don't have to use a crane to get rid of jetpack from the "Black Project" mission. You just have to use a vending machine (no animation occurs while doing that) and then you can get rid of jetpack and jack vehicles like normal. It saves you going on foot from quarry all the way to Fort Carson:

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Lethal Vaccine

Same thing as you. I never played PC Version, thus even if you sent me a Save, I don't have any GTA installed and have no clue how to play with Keyboard and Mouse and such. I've been playing Console since GTA III's release back in 2001. It's the only way I know. I didn't even start Mobile Platforms until early 2015, so a year ago or so...

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Well, the Stats are very important for some people. Some people even care more about the Stats then the Special Vehicles. I try to balance everything. I fail when I am forced, I die when I am forced, etc, etc. But if it's avoidable, I don't die or fail anything. It's always as clean as it can be, every Save I do, every GTA I do...

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Nice confirmation! When Fooking Rekt gets to Black Project in the coming weeks, I will tell him to record the Method like that, instead of running on foot to Fort Carson. He's in San Fierro now in his current Save, so he's gonna be there soon and can record this new Method without the long, tedious, boring run on foot to Fort Carson for the Vending Machine.

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EDIT: I just noticed your edited post above. About the AP Glendale. My bad...Will change it to Cesar now. About the Savanna, that is a good idea, but it seems like it would be even MORE SLOW of a push. I find using the Tanker the most sufficient and fastest way. About the AP Tampa, I rather just keep the Tampa with the passage of the Mission Video in the Guide since it's still not hard to do, unlike the Boxville to pass or the Burrito to pass. Some of the Methods I write in the Guide have a failure only cuz the Method to pass is light years away from the Method to fail. Whereas the Tampa Method to pass isn't much more difficult as it is to fail. Only a bit more time consuming, but nothing too difficult.

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rhans

When I got the vehicles I only died once, which was in the place where you take the photos, I didn`t die when i went to the driving school marker. I don`t know why, but I think Patrick said he did that 4 times and only died once in driving school and not the other 3 times. So I guess just requires 1 death if you are lucky or 2 if you are not (well probably not luck based, but related to something we don`t understand yet). About number of mission failed I think you get 2 mission attempts on your stats if you have not completed bloodbowl prior to that and 1 mission attempt if you have.

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Fooking Rekt

I'm recording the PC methods, and if there is a different method for Mobile, i do that.

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And on Mobile, after getting the Jetpack you can immediatly unequip it and take a Rhino. No need to get to Fort Carson or a Vending Machine

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Lethal Vaccine

@toomuchinvigilation, I edited my above post if you'd like to read it about YOUR edited post above. As you can see on Page 1, Fooking Rekt obtains the AP Sentinel and AP Sabre simultaneously in The Green Sabre. Why? Simply for ONE LESS Mission Attempt. Same with the AP Sabre, with the BP Tanker + AP Tanker Trailer from Tanker Commander. Gets all 3 simply for ONE LESS Mission Failure. These are the types of Methods I try and do when I do my playthroughs. I like Methods that show obtaining MORE Vehicles at the SAME TIME using LESS Mission Attempts. All in all, it's more of a challenge, which I like, and is less time consuming in the end, since you obtain multiple Vehicles at once instead of having to go through the motions over and over. THESE are the kinds of Videos I try and put in the Guide so everyone is on the same page with working toward making the cleanest Save, whilst obtaining everything, etc...

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If anyone wants to record Bug777's Method with Satchel Charges for the Packer, Sultan, and BF-400, I will also add it into the Guide in the same Post since both Methods are useful.

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@rhans, thanks for the info! We should find out exactly what happens to the Mission Attempts and Deaths, etc.

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@Fooking Rekt, keep doing what you are doing. The Videos are good and the SA Mobile Guide is good, too! :) Waiting on the AP Mothership Video when you get there.

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toomuchinvigilation

The Dozer might be slower than a truck, but Savanna's wreck doesn't go from side to side when being pushed with it and Dozer is generally more "stable", so it could take less time despite a difference in vehicles' speed. It may be a matter of preferences and the pushing process might be slightly different in various versions of the game, though (or even if the frame limiter is on or off).

I checked stats this time, before and after obtaining a vehicle from Photo Opportunity. I gained 3 more "mission attempts" (I guess Blood Bowl, since I haven't passed it before, Photo Opportunity itself and the Driving School) and two more "hospital visits" (I died in the Driving School again). I haven't found any stats called "deaths" or "mission failures".

Personally, I try to find the easiest method (without cheats) to obtain the vehicles that I care about, but I understand that there are other points of view.

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Fooking Rekt

Deaths = Wasted

Mission failures = Not a stat. You do have mission attempts/missions passed, though.

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rhans

Ah Militia, I think it is possible to get Ceasar Savannah together with the other 4 FI vehicles resulting in 1 less mission attempt. Since rtyuijhggff was able to get 9 nebulas at once and none of them vanished I suppose you can get 5 in this mission, might be riskier though, since you would have to use 2 garages to fit all and the vehicles are only saved when you open and close the garage after cancelling the mission via driving school trick.

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toomuchinvigilation

Yeah, it might be possible. I guess you could pass the Blood Bowl arena as well for one less mission failure.

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Fooking Rekt

About the AP Mothership on Mobile:

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Much easier ;)

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OrionSR

Yeah, it might be possible. I guess you could pass the Blood Bowl arena as well for one less mission failure.

Usually, and I think Bloodbowl is included, if you pass the mission once then further attempts will not be added for replaying the mission.

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Patrick1994

Should I record a "Deathless Driving School 10 times in a row" live stream? I do not need to beat anything in Photo Opportunity to test if the Driving School thing works as expected because I know how this works and I looked into this. Photo Opportunity is in the main loop after getting the vehicles and at the start of the mission and that fact is all that counts - all that is left from it between starting Driving School and cancelling it (whereafter it is completely gone).

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The Green Goo thing is interesting, maybe it is going to speed up speedruns. :)

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Lethal Vaccine

The Dozer might be slower than a truck, but Savanna's wreck doesn't go from side to side when being pushed with it and Dozer is generally more "stable", so it could take less time despite a difference in vehicles' speed. It may be a matter of preferences and the pushing process might be slightly different in various versions of the game, though (or even if the frame limiter is on or off).

I checked stats this time, before and after obtaining a vehicle from Photo Opportunity. I gained 3 more "mission attempts" (I guess Blood Bowl, since I haven't passed it before, Photo Opportunity itself and the Driving School) and two more "hospital visits" (I died in the Driving School again). I haven't found any stats called "deaths" or "mission failures".

Personally, I try to find the easiest method (without cheats) to obtain the vehicles that I care about, but I understand that there are other points of view.

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Using a Tanker, in my case, I can acquire the Savanna within 10-15 minutes, so it's not very bad. Once the Savanna is on its back, it slides like butter using the Tanker and can be pushed at quite a fast speed. Using the freeway going back to Doherty, you can use the side barriers of the freeway to keep it straight and literally you don't have to brake at all. You just keep pushing in a straight line and it's pretty fast. Using a Dozer I'd imagine would take over 15 minutes. Maybe closer to 25-30. When it comes to the way I do playthroughs, I try to go as fast as possible by NORMAL means, not speed running means. Normal means. I always go as quickly as I can in my Saves, getting the perfect Stats, as well as all Special Vehicles that interest me and I can fit and have the ability to obtain, which is basically all of them...

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Again, frame limiter is a PC thing. Doesn't exist on Console or Mobile. A lot of what is being said seems to only be done on PC...

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I mean, it makes sense. If you only care for the Vehicles, that is why you do such Methods. But someone like rtyuijhggff and Fooking Rekt, myself, and others, we like to get these, but doing it the best possible method with Stats in mind.

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For instance, even though I didn't add it into the Guide, rtyuijhggff obtains the AP/EC Newsvan, AP/EC Vortex, AP/EC Vortex, and EC BF Injection ALL AT THE SAME TIME in Cut Throat Business. Why? For 1 Less Mission Attempt. Myself? I don't get the Newsvan at the same time, but I get both Vortex' and I get the BF Injection all at the same time with only failing once. rtyuijhggff also obtains both the Unique/BP/FP S.W.A.T. and AP Greenwood at the same time during End of the Line. Why? For one less Mission Attempt. As I said about Fooking Rekt's Videos on Page 1, those are awesome as nobody has even tried that yet and he succeeded with getting the Sabre and Sentinel in The Green Sabre at the same time and double drove them back to Garage. Then he gets the Sabre, Tanker, and Tanker Trailer all at the same time in Tanker Commander. There is even a method to get both the AP/EC2 Feltzer and AP Fire Truck in End of the Line, as well. These are the methods that impress me. When it comes to the Method I add into the Guide, it's difficult to say why I do it, but there is always a reason. I am thinking of removing a Method for the Sabre in Tanker Commander and including it with the Tanker + Trailer and putting Fooking Rekt's Video in the Guide since for now on, that is the ONLY way I'd obtain these Vehicles myself. I will never fail for the Sabre than again, fail for the Tanker and Tanker Trailer. Will get them all at the same time.

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Ah Militia, I think it is possible to get Ceasar Savannah together with the other 4 FI vehicles resulting in 1 less mission attempt. Since rtyuijhggff was able to get 9 nebulas at once and none of them vanished I suppose you can get 5 in this mission, might be riskier though, since you would have to use 2 garages to fit all and the vehicles are only saved when you open and close the garage after cancelling the mission via driving school trick.

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It might be possible but the AP Savanna has a universal method that everyone and their neighbor can use. The other Photo Opportunity Vehicles are exclusively using a Duplication Process that might not even work on Console or Mobile. It's only been tested by a couple people on PC.

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It's not really that risky. You can get the EC Army Green Mesa, BP Forklift, and EP Mule in Robbing Uncle Sam all at the same time and passing the Mission, for instance, and when I did this in the past, I didn't even put the Mule in the same Garage as the Mesa and Forklift. The only thing here is that you MUST go back to the Garages and open them, close them, open them, and close them for the Vehicles to register. Anything put into a Garage WHILE THE MISSION IS ON is not actually inside the Garage until you pass or fail the Mission and then check on them after BEFORE SAVING!

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Maybe if the Driving School Death is avoidable, you can simply pull the AP Savanna right up to Driving School and leave it in memory while doing that part to fail the Mission, then leave Driving School and hope the Savanna is right there. But all in all, I am glad EVERYONE can obtain the Savanna. The other Vehicles need to be tested on other Platforms other than PC. All I know is that rapid Pause/Unpause is not a valid way of doing anything on PS2. It goes to slow when hitting Pause/Unpause. Same problem has the DP/EP/FP/MP Police...Once again, an exclusive PC Method using Pause/Unpause. Doesn't work on PS2...

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Usually, and I think Bloodbowl is included, if you pass the mission once then further attempts will not be added for replaying the mission.

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This and it's not only true for SA. It's true for every GTA in the 3D Era. Pass all Side Missions once? Replay them? Fail them? Never adds anything to the Stats cuz it's already passed once. To save a Mission Attempt would be to at least pass Blood Bowl before doing this. You can also avoid the Death in the Stats without dying at Driving School...However it works, I am not sure.

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toomuchinvigilation

This pause/unpause thing just helps getting the phone to ring at the right moment, so you could probably do this Blood Bowl trick without it, it would probably be harder, though. The remaining process of getting these AP cars should be pretty much the same for all platforms.

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Fooking Rekt

Militia you're wrong. Mobile does have frame limiter

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Lethal Vaccine

This pause/unpause thing just helps getting the phone to ring at the right moment, so you could probably do this Blood Bowl trick without it, it would probably be harder, though. The remaining process of getting these AP cars should be pretty much the same for all platforms.

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Also what "buttons" on a Controller would you need to hold in order for this to work? There is still quite a lot of mystery hence why I just post a Video for these Vehicles and not explain them. I haven't a clue and it's the first time I ever saw a Video for a GTA and Special Vehicles that I haven't a clue what is going on in order to obtain them. I can mimic almost anything I see on Youtube, but this is something I am unsure of...

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Militia you're wrong. Mobile does have frame limiter

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Android Only and it's a PC Port... :miranda:

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iOS has no Frame Limiter and even the new LCS Android and iOS Port doesn't have it, either. But anything on iOS..Frame Limiter is not existent. Nor is any graphical settings. I thought you already know this and it has nothing to do with Special Vehicles, either...

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toomuchinvigilation

You would only have to hold the "pick up the phone" button if you want to get to Doherty on foot or change your "vehicle secondary fire" to the same button as "pick up the phone" button if you want to get there by car. Then, at the Driving School, hold the "car jacking" button, walk in the marker, wait a while and press the "sprint button". Well, at least I think so. It's kinda hard to tell if I have never played GTA on a gaming console.

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From what I've found it looks like this:

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PC controls - PS2 controls - what does it do

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F/Enter - Triangle - Enter Vehicle/Activate Mini Game/Secondary Attack (but it is also "Cancel" on PC)

TAB - L1 Button? - View stats/Answer the phone

Space - X Button - Sprint (but it is also "Accept" on PC)

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The frame limiter affects a few things on PC. With this thing off swimming is a lot slower and putting out fires with a firetruck doesn't seem to work. The rest of the things are pretty minor - driving the cars and pushing them feels a bit different for example.

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Lethal Vaccine

Yes, X run/walk, and also accelerate in a Vehicle. Square makes you go backward in a Vehicle. Triangle opens Vehicles and exits Vehicles. L1 indeed does show the Stats, as well as answers the Phone. You are correct about those...

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All we can do now is hope and pray someone wants to do a PS2 Save or Xbox or whatever and tries to get these and tells us how they did it on Console! Even seeing it done on Mobile would be nice. I feel like Mobile is the LEAST working Platform as shown with the AP Packer, AP Sultan, and DP/EP/FP BF-400. So if the PO Vehicles can be obtained on Mobile, it can probably happen on PS2 and the likes...

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