R☆ is for Ridiculous or "How I Learned to Stop Trying and Ac

[Pleasance13]

Before I begin, yes, this is a topic about how poor I am in GTA Online as well as one to complain about the in-game economy. "Blow it out your ass!" you might say. "Maybe you should try earning some money instead of wasting your time complaining!" you may declare. "I just came here for the Dr. Strangelove nod!" most will admit. Well, hear me out. Why? Because it's the internet, and you're already here, and if the Kylie Jenner challenge can get the following it so confusingly amassed, surely a few paragraphs of ranting can get a cursory glance or two.

Now, here come some maths. In my time playing Grand Theft Auto Online, I have found that a job such as "Insurgents vs RPGs" or similar player-made TDMs are one of the quickest, most low-effort ways of earning a decent amount of cash. Some jobs pay better, but the effort level is much higher, or the time required for is much longer.

 

So, playing one of these jobs with the full 20 players, first to win 4 rounds, letting each round run out the clock and with the best case scenario of playing 7 rounds, you can make about $200,000. To my knowledge. I've never made that much because I've never run into such a lucky scenario. That aside, with the best conditions for time and team wins, here are my observations:

• $200,000 max payout
• 7 Rounds
• 5 minutes per round
• At least 1 minute in the lobby

• 7 Rounds x 5 minutes = 35 minutes + 1 minute lobby time = 36 minutes.

 

The best yacht is $8,000,000 without customization. With the best upgrades, it'll come to $10,000,000.

• $10,000,000 yacht / $200,000 TDM payout = 50 TDM games
• 36 minutes per game x 50 games = 1800 minutes or 30 hours

 

And so, to afford the best yacht with the best upgrades you will need to play 30 hours of "Insurgents vs RPGs" with the best possible outcome every time. A tad ludicrous, no? That's not just 30 hours of gameplay. That's only taking into account the absolute minimum job time required to make the most money the job offers.

If you figure that your time is worth more than that and you'd rather go the Shark Card route, well you're wrong!
The price for the $8,000,000 Shark Card on PS4 (here in Canada, at least) is $99.99. Real money. Your time isn't worth sh*t, apparently! $100 of your real-world money isn't even enough to buy the best yacht, fully upgraded.

So, in conclusion, if you save for a yacht legitimately, you're an idiot.
If you buy enough Shark Cards to afford one, you're an idiot.
In either scenario, you're a masochist.
If you get your money illegitimately with mods, you're a vigilante and everyone should be more like you.

 

This has been Pleasance13 of the "Idiot" category. Take care, and Sagan be with you.

Edited December 17, 2015 by Pleasance13

[Anna Deadly]

Oh another thread for glitchers/modders to try and justify their actions.

Tl:Dr, "Boohoo I'm a spoiled kid who wants to get everything instantly Boohoo"

Edited December 17, 2015 by IceColdFrostMT

[.R3b3L]

Basically, you've made a thread calling anyone who's bought a yacht an idiot, right? Not sure this is going to go down well. *grabs popcorn*

[CrysisAverted]

or you know... you could just not buy a useless yacht...

[Mach1bud]

or you know... you could just not buy a useless yacht...

This.

 

Also, OP, if you think LTS matches are the best/fastest/most fun ways to earn money, you are mistaken.

 

Yachts are for long term players that want to spent their cash. You know, some of us have played since day one, and have 20+ mil just from playing regularly. Or someone who saved their CMM money. This update wasnt to appease glitchers or modders, it was to give the old players something new to buy.

Edited December 17, 2015 by Mach1bud

[VanessaMagick]

Yes, the prices of things are dumb.
Yes, Rockstar have made it deliberately tedious to get the cool things.
Yes, this is because of shark cards.

I agree, in a way. Modders are typically arrogant little annoying sh*ts but I understand it when they mod tons of cash into their account. Who wants to go through all the boring stuff just to have a nice boat? That's not 'fun'. That's not even a sense of progression and achievement, that's having a mandatory workload if you don't want to cough up the cash.

[B00Minyourface]

I think 3 things:

 

1) Most people don't spend a lot of time trying to earn money in game between updates and then cry foul when one drops and they get caught out and can't afford all the new stuff. Cue all the evil C* making us buy cash cards comments.

 

2) everyone seems to have got it in their head that grinding is the only way to make money in the game. It's not. Do a few heists, have a racing session, create your own races or deathmatches, do some survival missions - there's a lot of more imaginative and better ways to fill your bank account.

 

3) Yachts are not for everyone.

[REXX]

So, in conclusion, if you save for a yacht legitimately, you're an idiot.

 

Some of us players worked hard to be able to afford our yachts. All I see is jealousy coming from your post. Why are us players that got our money to buy yachts legitimately the idiots? Why do you care what we spend our money on?

[Pleasance13]

Oh another thread for glitchers/modders to try and justify their actions.

Tl:Dr, "Boohoo I'm a spoiled kid who wants to get everything instantly Boohoo"

 

As I implied, I'm not of the glitcher/modder category. But yes, I believe they are justified.

More accurate Tl:Dr, "Boohoo I'm a idiot who plays into Rockstar's silly tactics and who wants to get everything after a reasonable amount of effort and time Boohoo"

 

 

Basically, you've made a thread calling anyone who's bought a yacht an idiot, right? Not sure this is going to go down well. *grabs popcorn*

 

Essentially, yes. Not excluding myself. I haven't yet gotten a yacht, but I'm saving (only half a million in, so far). Will I risk a ban and accept modded money if the opportunity presents itself? Probably. *grabs mashed potatoes*

 

 

or you know... you could just not buy a useless yacht...

 

Also a wise choice... But I'll be damned if they're not sexy as all holy hell.

 

 

 

So, in conclusion, if you save for a yacht legitimately, you're an idiot.

Some of us players worked hard to be able to afford our yachts. All I see is jealousy coming from your post. Why are us players that got our money to buy yachts legitimately the idiots? Why do you care what we spend our money on?

 

 

Worked hard, yes. Disproportionately hard? Very much so. I'm jealous of the modders who didn't have to work way too hard for an arguably small payoff.

 

 

I think 3 things:

 

1) Most people don't spend a lot of time trying to earn money in game between updates and then cry foul when one drops and they get caught out and can't afford all the new stuff. Cue all the evil C* making us buy cash cards comments.

 

2) everyone seems to have got it in their head that grinding is the only way to make money in the game. It's not. Do a few heists, have a racing session, create your own races or deathmatches, do some survival missions - there's a lot of more imaginative and better ways to fill your bank account.

 

3) Yachts are not for everyone.

 

I've been playing missions on a regular basis and saving since the update was leaked.

I managed to save juuuust enough for the best customized apartment. Which is much less ludicrously priced.

$5 million max for the yachts would have made more sense.

 

 

 

or you know... you could just not buy a useless yacht...

This.

 

Also, OP, if you think LTS matches are the best/fastest/most fun ways to earn money, you are mistaken.

 

Yachts are for long term players that want to spent their cash. You know, some of us have played since day one, and have 20+ mil just from playing regularly. Or someone who saved their CMM money. This update wasnt to appease glitchers or modders, it was to give the old players something new to buy.

 

 

I figured they likely weren't the best. They were just my personal best fit for effort/time/payout.

I have also been playing since day one and have made not much more than $6 million total.

Edited December 17, 2015 by Pleasance13

[KoingWolf]

Hmm... Cheating can never really be justified. You can say it might not hurt anyone, but it's no excuse for being lame and trying to game the system for your own personal game. You can still admit to that, but again you're looking at doing some serious mental gymnastics to try and justify it.

 

The whole point of this thread is the time it takes to earn a yacht with your math, right? And that saving for it makes you ridiculous in some way? If so, that's flawed logic to me. Primarily because your math is... inaccurate, at best. Also though because it's not meant to be an instant gratification sort of purchase. You're not expected to go out and buy the yacht day one, not for most people anyway.

 

Yachts are worked toward, invested in, and eventually you rise through the ranks or whatever and get one to show off. A lot of people have a LOT of time in the game before you and were able to buy it (or otherwise illegitimately get it), you just have to work up toward it. Nothing wrong with that at all, it is a video game after all. What is a video game without those goals to work toward? Even bigger question, what is a video game if you're not having fun working toward those goals?

 

Take a step back from the maths and just have fun, you''ll probably have it quicker and it may even be more enjoyable that way.

[xoC18H21NO3xo]

 

So, in conclusion, if you save for a yacht legitimately, you're an idiot.

If you buy enough Shark Cards to afford one, you're an idiot.

In either scenario, you're a masochist.

If you get your money illegitimately with mods, you're a vigilante and everyone should be more like you.

See? This is true and it's all Rockstar's fuggin' fault. I'm an absolute idiot for playing for hours to only watch other people dupe, glitch, hack, mod the same amount of GTA $ in just minutes! There's no real incentive for them to stop cheating because even if their glitch money gets wiped, they still get to keep the chit they bought with the cheat money. H.O.P.E.L.E.S.S

[Locce]

This thread is another proof that people apparently do not understand the concept of free DLC. You want stuff, but you do not want to do anything for the people who give you that stuff. If you really need that yacht now (and that is a big if), you can either make the game world more profitable for the players by participating in jobs or more profitable for R* by buying shark cards or both. It is your choice and R* is fine with whatever you choose.

But no, you have to leech off the compliance of others and cheat your way around. Why would R* be interested in keeping GTA Online running if it would not generate revenue? R* is not a welfare organisation for leechers who are too cheap and lazy to either work or pay for what they want.

[VanessaMagick]

Hmm... Cheating can never really be justified. You can say it might not hurt anyone, but it's no excuse for being lame and trying to game the system for your own personal game. You can still admit to that, but again you're looking at doing some serious mental gymnastics to try and justify it.

 

The whole point of this thread is the time it takes to earn a yacht with your math, right? And that saving for it makes you ridiculous in some way? If so, that's flawed logic to me. Primarily because your math is... inaccurate, at best. Also though because it's not meant to be an instant gratification sort of purchase. You're not expected to go out and buy the yacht day one, not for most people anyway.

 

Yachts are worked toward, invested in, and eventually you rise through the ranks or whatever and get one to show off. A lot of people have a LOT of time in the game before you and were able to buy it (or otherwise illegitimately get it), you just have to work up toward it. Nothing wrong with that at all, it is a video game after all. What is a video game without those goals to work toward? Even bigger question, what is a video game if you're not having fun working toward those goals?

 

Take a step back from the maths and just have fun, you''ll probably have it quicker and it may even be more enjoyable that way.

 

My logic is this: does somebody's modding affect somebody else's gameplay? This is just talking about modding money, not spawning UFOs or anything like that. Does giving yourself cash through modding affect other players?

 

If one says yes, it does, than by default they must also agree that buying shark cards is of equal effect - since they both do the exact same thing in the end.

[markyhitch]

If you want something in this game, go work for it.

 

It's taken me almost 2 years of playing GTAO to get where I am now. Two years of missions, races, deathmatches, whatever.

 

The other kind of gamer that makes me baulk are the ones complaining about the price of the yachts when they have $50m in the bank! Why are you so afraid of spending virtual money?

[Pleasance13]

Hmm... Cheating can never really be justified. You can say it might not hurt anyone, but it's no excuse for being lame and trying to game the system for your own personal game. You can still admit to that, but again you're looking at doing some serious mental gymnastics to try and justify it.

 

The whole point of this thread is the time it takes to earn a yacht with your math, right? And that saving for it makes you ridiculous in some way? If so, that's flawed logic to me. Primarily because your math is... inaccurate, at best. Also though because it's not meant to be an instant gratification sort of purchase. You're not expected to go out and buy the yacht day one, not for most people anyway.

 

Yachts are worked toward, invested in, and eventually you rise through the ranks or whatever and get one to show off. A lot of people have a LOT of time in the game before you and were able to buy it (or otherwise illegitimately get it), you just have to work up toward it. Nothing wrong with that at all, it is a video game after all. What is a video game without those goals to work toward? Even bigger question, what is a video game if you're not having fun working toward those goals?

 

Take a step back from the maths and just have fun, you''ll probably have it quicker and it may even be more enjoyable that way.

 

I disagree, for the most part. I'm definitely not totally on board with cheating (unless its the stupid-fun stuff used to change how a game plays or looks, like Armageddon-type mods or the story mode cheats). However, I do believe Rockstar needs to re-balance the currency and economy and, until then I have no beef with anyone who uses exploits to get money illegitimately. Of course, this can and often does come down to what people do with said money. Buying a yacht is harmless. But people often use exploits as a means to grief other players, which is annoying but somewhat avoidable.

 

The math definitely checks out, but it's more of an ideal and unrealistically optimistic look at what kind of money you can earn in that time.

 

$5 million would still be something to work toward. It's quite the undertaking, actually. So all i'm really saying is that some retooling needs to be done.

 

It definitely wouldn't be quicker taking the "fun" route, but still better perhaps. Of course, having fun will change your perception of the time you spend earning the money. Probably not enough to balance out though. I'd personally rather grind like crazy for a few stints and just have fun in between so I don't get GTA fatigue.

 

This thread is another proof that people apparently do not understand the concept of free DLC. You want stuff, but you do not want to do anything for the people who give you that stuff. If you really need that yacht now (and that is a big if), you can either make the game world more profitable for the players by participating in jobs or more profitable for R* by buying shark cards or both. It is your choice and R* is fine with whatever you choose.

But no, you have to leech off the compliance of others and cheat your way around. Why would R* be interested in keeping GTA Online running if it would not generate revenue? R* is not a welfare organisation for leechers who are too cheap and lazy to either work or pay for what they want.

 

It's hardly free though. I mean. It is in the sense that you don't really HAVE to spend real money on it. But you do have to spend an absurd amount of time if you take that route. The Shark Cards are just unbelievably stupid. There's no way Rockstar could get away with selling this DLC using the same model they do for the Shark Cards. Even just selling a yacht as a DLC on it's own in that case would add up to over $100. When it should be under $20 realistically.

Edited December 17, 2015 by Pleasance13

[JAKEBAB]

 

 

I've been playing missions on a regular basis and saving since the update was leaked.

I managed to save juuuust enough for the best customized apartment. Which is much less ludicrously priced.

$5 million max for the yachts would have made more sense.

 

 

Mustn't of been very many because i made something like $13m from when it was first leaked lol.

[Pleasance13]

Mustn't of been very many because i made something like $13m from when it was first leaked lol.

 

 

Not going to lie, I'm not what you would call a hardcore player. But I've been playing about as much as my free time allows me with game sessions that are about 75% grinding and 25% just having fun and fooling around.

[kat365]

It's so sad to listen to how loathsome and pathetic the people trying to justify cheating really are. I have 44 days played and i haven't even made $100 million yet. I think i have made $94 million total. Yet these low life nothings believe they should have every thing i do simply because they want it ? lol

 

Anyway, this mentality that the younger generations have that they believe every thing should be given to their useless spoiled asses will really come back to bite them later in life.

Edited December 17, 2015 by kat365

[Crafty-]

Can't you money whiners cone up with anything original to say? Its getting old.

 

In 28 days you can make

1.4m from daily objectives

453k from selling 1 sentinel per day

20k from time trials.

 

That's probably 15 mins per day. If you can't get on one day, that's fine, the daily objective bonuses hold over.

 

This is all on top of job/heist money etc.

 

I don't think money is hard to come by

[Big_Show]

I love my Yacht, I've had so much fun playing VIP and Bodyguard. Best DLC yet! worth every cent I grind!

[Hylskriksen]

 

• $10,000,000 yacht / $200,000 TDM payout = 50 TDM games
• 36 minutes per game x 50 games = 1800 minutes or 30 hours

I played diablo 2 for around 5 years before i found a jah rune. 30 hour gameplay for one of the most expensive things in the game is not really alot.

[TheKingChivas]

 

Someone else worried about what I do with my money...thanks, but I'm good. See, if you actually just played the game for the past 26 months and didn't blow all your money on RPGs, you'd have plenty of cash for things like yachts.

 

As for you cash card cuties...LOL, once again.

[Pleasance13]

Can't you money whiners cone up with anything original to say? Its getting old.

 

In 28 days you can make

1.4m from daily objectives

453k from selling 1 sentinel per day

20k from time trials.

 

That's probably 15 mins per day. If you can't get on one day, that's fine, the daily objective bonuses hold over.

 

This is all on top of job/heist money etc.

 

I don't think money is hard to come by

You absolutely can't make 453k from selling a sentinel per day in 28 days. You can only make 266k.

That alone makes me question your other statistics.

 

A lot of you are really missing the point though. You should still have to work for something like a yacht, of course, that's gratifying. But the absolute disarray and complete imbalance in the online economy system that Rockstar has created is just whack. I don't want an instant yacht, I just think that a vest costing 20k (or a yacht costing 10 million) when the most you can make from selling a stolen car is 9.5k and the fact that most jobs pay well under 20k, it's a tad... off. No?

 

I'm saying that Rockstar needs to work on their money system. Make cars sell for more or make more cars sell-able (even if you bring it into LSC and sell or repair are the only options). Jobs need a higher payout and prices need a complete overhaul of re-balancing.

[Aether]

Just realized that OP joined just two weeks ago... that pretty much explains everything..

[We Are Ninja]

So, in conclusion, if you save for a yacht legitimately, you're an idiot.

If you buy enough Shark Cards to afford one, you're an idiot.

In either scenario, you're a masochist.

 

That's downright hilarious coming from someone that plays Rockets vs Insurgents for 30+ hours...

[TheKingChivas]

You absolutely can't make 453k from selling a sentinel per day in 28 days. You can only make 266k.

That alone makes me question your other statistics.

 

 

 

Blue Sentinels are more than 17K each...17,000 x 28 = 476,000.

 

You absolutely can't do math, or absolutely don't know what he was talking about.

[Quinn_flower]

What the heck did I just read....

[Pleasance13]

Just realized that OP joined just two weeks ago... that pretty much explains everything..

Excuse me for not wanting to join. It's easy to assume from the players you encounter in online sessions that the GTA community isn't exactly one of the most friendly ones out there.

 

Blue Sentinels are more than 17K each...17,000 x 28 = 476,000.

 

 

 

You absolutely can't do math, or absolutely don't know what he was talking about.

 

Sorry. My bad. Didn't know this was a thing. Are they a rare spawn?

 

That's downright hilarious coming from someone that plays Rockets vs Insurgents for 30+ hours...

 

 

Never said I do. Just did the math for that scenario. I play 2 or three games of it at a time.

Edited December 17, 2015 by Pleasance13

[Crafty-]

 

Can't you money whiners cone up with anything original to say? Its getting old.

 

In 28 days you can make

1.4m from daily objectives

453k from selling 1 sentinel per day

20k from time trials.

 

That's probably 15 mins per day. If you can't get on one day, that's fine, the daily objective bonuses hold over.

 

This is all on top of job/heist money etc.

 

I don't think money is hard to come by

You absolutely can't make 453k from selling a sentinel per day in 28 days. You can only make 266k.

That alone makes me question your other statistics.

 

A lot of you are really missing the point though. You should still have to work for something like a yacht, of course, that's gratifying. But the absolute disarray and complete imbalance in the online economy system that Rockstar has created is just whack. I don't want an instant yacht, I just think that a vest costing 20k (or a yacht costing 10 million) when the most you can make from selling a stolen car is 9.5k and the fact that most jobs pay well under 20k, it's a tad... off. No?

 

I'm saying that Rockstar needs to work on their money system. Make cars sell for more or make more cars sell-able (even if you bring it into LSC and sell or repair are the only options). Jobs need a higher payout and prices need a complete overhaul of re-balancing.

Yellow sentinel 14970

Blue sentinel 17420

 

Average price 16195

 

16195 * 28 = 453,460.

 

Daily objectives 25k each day except every 7th day when it's 100k and the 28th day which is 500k

 

24 * 25 = 600

3 * 100 = 300

1 * 500 = 500

 

600+300+500 = 1.4m

 

Time trials are 50k each, 4 in every 28 days = 20k

 

 

Maybe you should do some maths before whining again. If you spent more time playing and less time whining on here you would be richer.

[Ss4gogeta0]

 

You absolutely can't make 453k from selling a sentinel per day in 28 days. You can only make 266k.

That alone makes me question your other statistics.

Blue Sentinels are more than 17K each...17,000 x 28 = 476,000.

 

You absolutely can't do math, or absolutely don't know what he was talking about.

 

dont worry, we all know what Pleasance is trying to do...