Schafter V12 appreciation thread

[skatemaster231]

Might actually have to shell out some cash for this car. How does it do as a full drift build (sports suspension + lowering glitch)?

[DBSDAN]

Should I go with the SWB armoured V12 or the Normal SWB v12? Or am I wrong with both and should go with LWB? I'm thinking SWB, can't decide which though... With a nice red or cream interior, and either black or a nice blue exterior

[Vs_berg]

 

Let's look at the facts instead of the bodywork and wheels to determine the engine.

 

Top Speed

Shafter: 110.5 mph

LWB: 109.5 mph

V12: 124 mph

 

Time around Cutting Coroners GP (Broughy)

Shafter: 1:10.436[/size]

LWB: 1:10:473[/size]

V12: 1:05:499[/size]

 

What's more likely; the LWB requires much more engine power just to bring it on par with the original? Or it has the same engine as the original, thus almost identical performance?

 

Also, every Shafter has a V12 engine, even the old one.

Let's use our brains to determine the engine instead of these supposed "facts" you speak of.

 

From a knowledgeable Mercedes fan - myself - this is my theory:

 

The Schafter V12 SWB is based on the Mercedes S65 AMG which has a V12 and is a regular full sized sedan. The Schafter V12 LWB is based on the Mercedes S600 which also has a V12 but with less power than the S65 AMG, not to mention that the S600 is a stretched full sized sedan. Compared to the S65 AMG, the S600 is a lot heavier because not only is it longer, it also carries more gadgets on the inside. But this is Rockstar and so I'm sure the LWB shares it's engine with the SWB. But, even though the S600 has a much larger and much more powerful engine than the V8 in the base Mercedes S550, they accelerate at the same rate. And in the corners the S600 performs worse. Why? Common sense will tell you that a heavier and longer car is going to perform worse than the shorter, lighter one. The S600 is almost but not exactly on par with the S550 in a straight line and the same can be said about it's track performance. Mass can really hold you back. Why does the LWB has the same styling as the SWB even though the S65 AMG looks more aggressive than the more refined looking S600? Because it's Rockstar, come on. Would you rather have a stretched and relatively base-looking Schafter with more chrome or a stretched Schafter V12? The latter, right? *but note that the poster just pointed out below that you can order a longer S65 AMG*

 

You're comparing two cars, one that's shorter and lighter (SWB) and one that's longer and heavier (LWB), then you're going to determine that the longer and heavier one doesn't have the same engine as the shorter and lighter one because it performs worse? That is quite frankly the daftest thing I've ever read. Obviously the longer and heavier one is going to perform worse, it carries around more weight. Presumably 500-1000 extra pounds. And of course the LWB is going to perform worse around a track. If it's longer, that's already going to hold you back. But it's also heavier. Also the base Schafter isn't a V12. The base IV Schafter is. And if the Schafter V12 LWB had the same engine as the base Schafter, it would perform a lot worse than the base Schafter. Do I really have to explain that one to you?

 

 

The shafter isn't a S class anymore nothing about it is based off the S. It's a w212 sedan period. It has a C and CL front. The old shafter was a S class. GTA went cheesy period the long wheel base short wheel base is the same shafter not a AMG and a s550 so stop with all that. It's a W212 chassis but they are still using the shafter name like I said before they keep putting new cars in the game they should of made the shafter the 2014 and up S 65 AMG and S550 a new model shafter and scrap that sad shafter design!

 

They should of made the long wheel base the s600 maybach classy style. Short wheel base the S65 AMG sporty style. Nothing hard about that. Scrap that cheesy shafter design period. SWB S65 LWB S600 maybach. Give the shafter a more sleek round look this old deign shafter is just played out period.

 

I swear, some of you need to use your common sense. I'm dumbfounded right now.

Edited December 20, 2015 by Vs_berg

[Shabazz916]

the cars garbage.. id rather have the franklins buff... way better..

[Vs_berg]

^ You can get a S65 armoured LWB if you want, AMG will build pretty much anything. So it doesn't have to be a S600.

 

Here's an S class with the 7.2 Zonda engine (mmmmmmmmmmmm)

 

 

ETA - just noticed it has the same wheels as my AMG, now I just need the engine...

It's not a zonda engine it's a AMG engine that they used in old zonda cars. Now zonda use the 6.0 V12 biturbo

[Arrows to Athens]

The only reason why this car is so popular, and even more popular than the Verlierer, is because of the fact that it can outrun a T20 in a straight line.

Edited December 20, 2015 by Fearx--

[TCMike]

the cars garbage.. id rather have the franklins buff... way better..

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

The shafter isn't a S class anymore nothing about it is based off the S. It's a w212 sedan period. It has a C and CL front. The old shafter was a S class. GTA went cheesy period the long wheel base short wheel base is the same shafter not a AMG and a s550 so stop with all that. It's a W212 chassis but they are still using the shafter name like I said before they keep putting new cars in the game they should of made the shafter the 2014 and up S 65 AMG and S550 a new model shafter and scrap that sad shafter design!

They should of made the long wheel base the s600 maybach classy style. Short wheel base the S65 AMG sporty style. Nothing hard about that. Scrap that cheesy shafter design period. SWB S65 LWB S600 maybach. Give the shafter a more sleek round look this old deign shafter is just played out period.

I broke it down earlier, hope this helps:

 

 

 

The Schafter here is not an S-Class, its a W212 E-Class, GTA IV's Schafter is an S-Class. The one in GTA V (the original V12 before Rockstar apparently forgot it had a V12 and added in this one which is the same car with the same engine, just tuned to 650hp) is an E-Class, probably a Brabus E based on the V12 engine. The new Schafter V12 is probably meant to be a more heavily tuned Brabus variant. The LWB is probably meant to emulate a Brabus S V12, but Benefactor has always been somewhat of a confusing Mercedes archetype IMHO.

 

Gotta disagree. It's a SWB W221 (Which we never got in North America) with a C216's face. If it was based on the W212 it wouldn't have such large rear arch flares. the W212 never had ones that large where the W221 does.

 

Let me clear this up. This is what the current TBoGT/V Schafters are based off of:

 

• Overall shape / Tail lights / Side profile - Mercedes E-Class W212 prior-facelift
• Front end - Mercedes CL-Class C216 post-facelift
• V12 engine option / Size - Mercedes S-Class W221 (S65 AMG to be specific)
• Rims (for the V12 version only) - Mercedes S-Class W221 (AMG models to be specific)

Aesthetically, the current Schafters portray no real S-Class styling whatsoever, save for the rims on the V12 version and the interiors which were originally carried over from the old vanilla IV W220/W211/W221 based Schafter. That said, it is Benefactor's flagship sedan; the S-Class is Mercedes' flagship sedan. It also has a V12 engine option, which is only available on Mercedes flagship models (G-Class / SL-Class / CL-Class / S-Class). So the Schafter is based on the Mercedes S-Class only in theory.

And yet again JRebbert missed the point. The S600. I was referring to the W222 number one. The W222 S600 Maybach is longer than the W222 S65 AMG. The S600 Maybach weighs 5200 pounds. The S65 weighs 4900 pounds. And he is taking it way more seriously than I am. I'd expect him to be more mature.

[cipher656]

I've been drifting around the city like a lunatic since i bought this. It's an excellent drift car with a great noise and four doors for the crew on missions and heists. The cognoscenti 55 is a good drifter but doesn't make the great noise like the shafter. I love drifting it in first person it looks like i'm being attacked by a wasp.

Edited December 21, 2015 by cipher656

[CrysisAverted]

Schafter LWB Armored confirmed slower than Insurgent in a straight line, V12 Armored confirmed fastest

 

[Arrows to Athens]

Schafter LWB Armored confirmed slower than Insurgent in a straight line, V12 Armored confirmed fastest

 

 

[MatthewH]

Repainted my Shafter V12.

 

 

Colour based from this car:

Edited December 21, 2015 by MatthewH

[Arrows to Athens]

Repainted my Shafter V12.

 

 

Based off this:

You're better off with a Schwartzer when attempting to replicate the car in the picture.

[MatthewH]

 

Repainted my Schafter V12.

 

 

 

Based off this:

 

You're better off with a Schwartzer when attempting to replicate the car in the picture.

 

I wasn't trying to make a replica of the amg coupe. I was using the colour of it on my schafter.

[Timcatgt5]

 

 

[Arrows to Athens]

 

 

Repainted my Schafter V12.

 

 

 

Based off this:

 

You're better off with a Schwartzer when attempting to replicate the car in the picture.

 

I wasn't trying to make a replica of the amg coupe. I was using the colour of it on my schafter.

 

'Based off' this implies that you were basing your V12 Schafter off the car in the picture. You were too vague.

[Los Santos citizen]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 21, 2015 by Los Santos citizen

[Vs_berg]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Great pics how do you take them with u in the car? Lol

 

Repainted my Shafter V12.

 

 

Based off this:

You're better off with a Schwartzer when attempting to replicate the car in the picture.Very close in color and see you have the brown leather.

 

the cars garbage.. id rather have the franklins buff... way better..

Lol

[Los Santos citizen]

@Vs_berg I use the R* Editor.

[Vaulttec]

You are such a dork that I don't even know where to begin. I have you blocked but I just couldn't resist. Needless to say, I should've.

dude just shut up he called you out deal with it you are not even trying to defend it, prove some stats like he did or just shut up

 

I could care less about MB there all

over rated if you ask me, would rather have a Bentley flying spur that has a little over 600hp 616hp since scaglietti will complain that I don't know what I'm talking about

Edited December 21, 2015 by Vaulttec

[Vs_berg]

 

The shafter isn't a S class anymore nothing about it is based off the S. It's a w212 sedan period. It has a C and CL front. The old shafter was a S class. GTA went cheesy period the long wheel base short wheel base is the same shafter not a AMG and a s550 so stop with all that. It's a W212 chassis but they are still using the shafter name like I said before they keep putting new cars in the game they should of made the shafter the 2014 and up S 65 AMG and S550 a new model shafter and scrap that sad shafter design!

They should of made the long wheel base the s600 maybach classy style. Short wheel base the S65 AMG sporty style. Nothing hard about that. Scrap that cheesy shafter design period. SWB S65 LWB S600 maybach. Give the shafter a more sleek round look this old deign shafter is just played out period.

I broke it down earlier, hope this helps:

 

 

 

The Schafter here is not an S-Class, its a W212 E-Class, GTA IV's Schafter is an S-Class. The one in GTA V (the original V12 before Rockstar apparently forgot it had a V12 and added in this one which is the same car with the same engine, just tuned to 650hp) is an E-Class, probably a Brabus E based on the V12 engine. The new Schafter V12 is probably meant to be a more heavily tuned Brabus variant. The LWB is probably meant to emulate a Brabus S V12, but Benefactor has always been somewhat of a confusing Mercedes archetype IMHO.

 

Gotta disagree. It's a SWB W221 (Which we never got in North America) with a C216's face. If it was based on the W212 it wouldn't have such large rear arch flares. the W212 never had ones that large where the W221 does.

 

Let me clear this up. This is what the current TBoGT/V Schafters are based off of:

 

• Overall shape / Tail lights / Side profile - Mercedes E-Class W212 prior-facelift
• Front end - Mercedes CL-Class C216 post-facelift
• V12 engine option / Size - Mercedes S-Class W221 (S65 AMG to be specific)
• Rims (for the V12 version only) - Mercedes S-Class W221 (AMG models to be specific)

Aesthetically, the current Schafters portray no real S-Class styling whatsoever, save for the rims on the V12 version and the interiors which were originally carried over from the old vanilla IV W220/W211/W221 based Schafter. That said, it is Benefactor's flagship sedan; the S-Class is Mercedes' flagship sedan. It also has a V12 engine option, which is only available on Mercedes flagship models (G-Class / SL-Class / CL-Class / S-Class). So the Schafter is based on the Mercedes S-Class only in theory.And yet again JRebbert missed the point. The S600. I was referring to the W222 number one. The W222 S600 Maybach is longer than the W222 S65 AMG. The S600 Maybach weighs 5200 pounds. The S65 weighs 4900 pounds. And he is taking it way more seriously than I am. I'd expect him to be more mature. they should of made the new shafter a completely new design. It's just not a S class the shafter is closer to a E class and you can see from the price of the car. The old shafter from GTA 4 niko was most definitely a S class. They should of made a LWB new design S600 maybach classy and SWB S65 sporty. They need to make a new design to get the shafter back to a S class it's basically a E with a v12 and a longer E with a v12. Like I said the older shafter was most definitely based off a big body S. In theory it's suppose to be a S but when the intro the shafter new body class it's easy to see the size the rear end the the interior was mostly E class even if you look at the price tag of the shafter it's a mid size sedan. Edited December 21, 2015 by Vs_berg

[livejoker]

Thought I'd share mine here seeing I'm in love with this car. Let me start off by saying I wasn't a fan of the "normal" Schafter. I thought it was a pretty bland car - nothing exciting going for it. Then again I never was a Mercedes fan (anything related to that culture, anyway - like Beemers or other Euro cars except Volks). After reading that this was one of the fastest cars in the game and my will to win any top speed challenges in public sessions I encountered I bought this car. It was extremely cheap (116K, if I remember correctly) and only costing around 400K to upgrade fully (no armor). The sound reminds me a lot of the 2012 Jaguar XKR-S. I remember back on Forza 4 putting that Jag as an AI player and just driving next to it with an electric car so I could hear the engine through the tunnel - the AI giving me the ability to go around it and hear it from different angles. It was such a beast of a noise and this V12 reminds me so much of it. What I originally thought was a boring car is now my daily driver. Sure, the back wheels creep up way too much into the back wheel arches and I would've preferred if it was 2 door but damn is this thing amazing as is. I went for the more "track ready" style - seeing there were so many "classy/rich" cars in here already (which are superb!). Anyway, enjoy.



If you recognize this corner then I know you watch broughy's vids:




Tunnel vision is a real thing when going through red lights:

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

 

You are such a dork that I don't even know where to begin. I have you blocked but I just couldn't resist. Needless to say, I should've.

dude just shut up he called you out deal with it you are not even trying to defend it, prove some stats like he did or just shut up

I could care less about MB there all

over rated if you ask me, would rather have a Bentley flying spur that has a little over 600hp 616hp since scaglietti will complain that I don't know what I'm talking about

You and JRebbert are trolls and you both have been following me. Get a life.

[JustinR512]

 

 

You are such a dork that I don't even know where to begin. I have you blocked but I just couldn't resist. Needless to say, I should've.

dude just shut up he called you out deal with it you are not even trying to defend it, prove some stats like he did or just shut up

I could care less about MB there all

over rated if you ask me, would rather have a Bentley flying spur that has a little over 600hp 616hp since scaglietti will complain that I don't know what I'm talking about

You and JRebbert are trolls and you both have been following me. Get a life.I've responded to your posts maybe half a dozen times, at most a dozen. Not sure how that constitutes "following you around" but you've proven yourself to be an idiot so I'm not going to bother arguing. But let it be known that attacking one's opponent in a debate, rather than the argument he's making, is a sign of someone who knows he's lost and has nothing intelligent or relevant left to say.

 

Also for the record you never said you were talking about the W222, and I'm not buying it. It's generally accepted that the Schafters are based on W221-era cars, and I think even you understand that. You can't make some incorrect statements about some cars, get called out on it, then claim you were actually talking about some other cars that aren't relevant to the discussion. Nobody here is falling for your bullsh*t.

Edited December 21, 2015 by JRebbert512

[Vaulttec]

 

 

You are such a dork that I don't even know where to begin. I have you blocked but I just couldn't resist. Needless to say, I should've.

dude just shut up he called you out deal with it you are not even trying to defend it, prove some stats like he did or just shut up

I could care less about MB there all

over rated if you ask me, would rather have a Bentley flying spur that has a little over 600hp 616hp since scaglietti will complain that I don't know what I'm talking about

You and JRebbert are trolls and you both have been following me. Get a life. we are not trolls like you Scaglietti I used to work at a high end car dealership and sold some of the rarest cars on this planet. what have you done? seems like all you got is some weird fantasy that you everything about cars.

 

I have never understood the love affair with MB to me there average cars, I would rather own a Bentley or a rolls Royce over a dime a dozen MB

[Raavi]

Can we please drop/take to PM whatever the hell this is supposed to be and get back to the topic at hand: 'Appreciating' the Schafter V12. I won't warn again.

 

To get this back on rails:

 

[Shaytan]

Probably this has been already answered, but I'm too lazy to read 16 pags to figure that out - has anybody tested this car yet on races? I mean, there's a lot of people on YouTube checking it's top speed against supers, but it realyy doesn't mean a thing in races. How does this car behave against the best sports cars in a "normal" race environment (regular city circuit)?

[CrysisAverted]

Probably this has been already answered, but I'm too lazy to read 16 pags to figure that out - has anybody tested this car yet on races? I mean, there's a lot of people on YouTube checking it's top speed against supers, but it realyy doesn't mean a thing in races. How does this car behave against the best sports cars in a "normal" race environment (regular city circuit)?

 

its a good car and fast as heck but on a track is will fall short against cars with superior traction/handling/acceleration. The fastest sports cars in the game need not worry about it in a race unless their drivers suck at driving.

[Shaytan]

 

Probably this has been already answered, but I'm too lazy to read 16 pags to figure that out - has anybody tested this car yet on races? I mean, there's a lot of people on YouTube checking it's top speed against supers, but it realyy doesn't mean a thing in races. How does this car behave against the best sports cars in a "normal" race environment (regular city circuit)?

 

its a good car and fast as heck but on a track is will fall short against cars with superior traction/handling/acceleration. The fastest sports cars in the game need not worry about it in a race unless their drivers suck at driving.

 

Thanks for the answer. I was quite amazed when I saw a video of this car passing a T20 on a drag race, but knowing so many cars that loose on straight lines but are the regular winners on racing circuits I wasn't sure how good this is. Unfortunately this isn't the kind of cars I enjoy the most in real life, I'm not really a german luxury cars guy, so in this case it's a pass for me.

[JAKEBAB]

I really wish the wheel arch's weren't so wide or the rear wheels had spacers would have bought this car in a heart beat if it wasn't for the rear wheels tucking