Schafter V12 appreciation thread

[KashKashMania]

 

 

^ Um, the LWB is also a V12. It's only slower/performs worse obviously because of the extra weight it carries around from being longer than the SWB. It's simply a stretched SWB with different rear passenger doors. Nothing more, nothing less. Same engine and underpinnings.

Then wouldn't it say V12 LWB? I'm not saying you're 100% wrong, but I'm confused as to how you came up with the notion that the LWB variant has the same V12 engine as the V12 variant.

If it wasn't a V12, it would look just like the base Schafter but stretched. If it has the same wheels, bodywork and engine not as the SWB then clearly they're the same car, just different sizes.

 

I know it's not always the most reliable source, but the Legendary Motors website says it has the same V12 making 650hp as the SWB, plus it has the same face and rims, so I'd say it's a pretty safe bet that the LWB has the same engine as the V12 SWB.

 

I could be wrong and if I am, so be it.

[CrysisAverted]

probably my new favorite car

 

 

 

 

Ended up changing it from the classier beige interior and red exterior to a racier Silver w/ red interior

 

 

Defo my fav car atm

Edited December 20, 2015 by CrysisAverted

[Snowej]

 

 

^ Um, the LWB is also a V12. It's only slower/performs worse obviously because of the extra weight it carries around from being longer than the SWB. It's simply a stretched SWB with different rear passenger doors. Nothing more, nothing less. Same engine and underpinnings.

Then wouldn't it say V12 LWB? I'm not saying you're 100% wrong, but I'm confused as to how you came up with the notion that the LWB variant has the same V12 engine as the V12 variant.

If it wasn't a V12, it would look just like the base Schafter but stretched. If it has the same wheels, bodywork and engine not as the SWB then clearly they're the same car, just different sizes.

 

 

Let's look at the facts instead of the bodywork and wheels to determine the engine.

 

Top Speed

Shafter: 110.5 mph

LWB: 109.5 mph

V12: 124 mph

 

Time around Cutting Coroners GP (Broughy)

Shafter: 1:10.436

LWB: 1:10:473

V12: 1:05:499

 

What's more likely; the LWB requires much more engine power just to bring it on par with the original? Or it has the same engine as the original, thus almost identical performance?

 

Also, every Shafter has a V12 engine, even the old one.

Edited December 20, 2015 by Snowej

[Aqua97]

[Gridl0k]

So the armoured SWB Schafter, is that equally fast (ish)? I want my BP windows.

 

BTW they're all V12s because they're all based on the 65 Merc model number, 63 = 6.2 V8 (used to, anyway) and 65 = 6.0 V12.

 

 

[Jaxite]

That color looks great! Mind sharing?

[Aqua97]

 

-snip-

That color looks great! Mind sharing?

 

Thanks It's blue with I think ice or frost white perl,

Edited December 20, 2015 by Aqua

[Mattoropael]

So the armoured SWB Schafter, is that equally fast (ish)? I want my BP windows.

 

The armored SWB is slightly slower than (but not too much) the regular version. On the flip side, it is more crash-durable (not to Kuruma levels though) and more stable at speed.

 

In my opinion, it is more well-rounded than the unarmored V12 (which offers crazy performance with an equally-crazy personality), but you'll have to stand with the ugly door armor plating.

Edited December 20, 2015 by Mattoropael

[Gridl0k]

 

So the armoured SWB Schafter, is that equally fast (ish)? I want my BP windows.

 

The armored SWB is slightly slower than (but not too much) from the regular version. On the flip side, it is more crash-durable (not to Kuruma levels though) and more stable at speed.

 

 

I bought a LWB because I thought it might get delivered through the VIP menu but yeah I'm gonna have to drop more money on a SWB now. At least my old S65BLACK Schafter plate still fits..

Edited December 20, 2015 by Gridl0k

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

Let's look at the facts instead of the bodywork and wheels to determine the engine.

 

Top Speed

Shafter: 110.5 mph

LWB: 109.5 mph

V12: 124 mph

 

Time around Cutting Coroners GP (Broughy)

Shafter: 1:10.436[/size]

LWB: 1:10:473[/size]

V12: 1:05:499[/size]

 

What's more likely; the LWB requires much more engine power just to bring it on par with the original? Or it has the same engine as the original, thus almost identical performance?

 

Also, every Shafter has a V12 engine, even the old one.

Let's use our brains to determine the engine instead of these supposed "facts" you speak of.

 

From a knowledgeable Mercedes fan - myself - this is my theory:

 

The Schafter V12 SWB is based on the Mercedes S65 AMG which has a V12 and is a regular full sized sedan. The Schafter V12 LWB is based on the Mercedes S600 which also has a V12 but with less power than the S65 AMG, not to mention that the S600 is a stretched full sized sedan. Compared to the S65 AMG, the S600 is a lot heavier because not only is it longer, it also carries more gadgets on the inside. But this is Rockstar and so I'm sure the LWB shares it's engine with the SWB. But, even though the S600 has a much larger and much more powerful engine than the V8 in the base Mercedes S550, they accelerate at the same rate. And in the corners the S600 performs worse. Why? Common sense will tell you that a heavier and longer car is going to perform worse than the shorter, lighter one. The S600 is almost but not exactly on par with the S550 in a straight line and the same can be said about it's track performance. Mass can really hold you back. Why does the LWB has the same styling as the SWB even though the S65 AMG looks more aggressive than the more refined looking S600? Because it's Rockstar, come on. Would you rather have a stretched and relatively base-looking Schafter with more chrome or a stretched Schafter V12? The latter, right? *but note that the poster just pointed out below that you can order a longer S65 AMG*

 

You're comparing two cars, one that's shorter and lighter (SWB) and one that's longer and heavier (LWB), then you're going to determine that the longer and heavier one doesn't have the same engine as the shorter and lighter one because it performs worse? That is quite frankly the daftest thing I've ever read. Obviously the longer and heavier one is going to perform worse, it carries around more weight. Presumably 500-1000 extra pounds. And of course the LWB is going to perform worse around a track. If it's longer, that's already going to hold you back. But it's also heavier. Also the base Schafter isn't a V12. The base IV Schafter is. And if the Schafter V12 LWB had the same engine as the base Schafter, it would perform a lot worse than the base Schafter. Do I really have to explain that one to you?

 

I swear, some of you need to use your common sense. I'm dumbfounded right now.

Edited December 20, 2015 by Scaglietti

[Gridl0k]

^ You can get a S65 armoured LWB if you want, AMG will build pretty much anything. So it doesn't have to be a S600.

 

Here's an S class with the 7.2 Zonda engine (mmmmmmmmmmmm)

 

 

ETA - just noticed it has the same wheels as my AMG, now I just need the engine...

Edited December 20, 2015 by Gridl0k

[Lakitu]

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

^ You can get a S65 armoured LWB if you want, AMG will build pretty much anything. So it doesn't have to be a S600.

True. So yeah the Schafter V12 LWB could also be based on a custom S65 AMG LWB. Thanks for pointing that out.

[Gridl0k]

I think there must be a Merc/AMG nut at R* North given the trouble they went to to create the Dubsta 2 which more or less perfectly matches what Brabus do to a G Class (down to the blacked-out badges)... Not to mention the 6-wheeler.

Edited December 20, 2015 by Gridl0k

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

I think there must be a Merc/AMG nut at R* North given the trouble they went to to create the Dubsta 2 which more or less perfectly matches what Brabus do to a G Class (down to the blacked-out badges)... Not to mention the 6-wheeler.

Yeah. They've almost always been on point with Benefactor/Mercedes. Just take a look at the older Benefactors from IV, they were perfect.

[Garland137]

I bought the armoured SWB, and thought "heh, this is pretty cool." Then during a mission I rammed a Lost biker head on and he exploded. The car kept going like it was nothing and there were only a few scratches and a bent grille. Definitely a keeper.

[AntonOP]

Does anybody know if rockstar is going to fix the suspension on this car?

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

Does anybody know if rockstar is going to fix the suspension on this car?

I hope so. That - and the lack of the awesome V12 Supercharged / 6.5 SC badges that it should have - are the only thing that keep it from being a flawless car.

 

I just had a throwback to my Schwartzer:

 

 

Can anybody recreate this in Schafter V12 SWB form - on Chrome S Racer rims?

 

I forgot what the color was, I mixed something in the light greyish blues with Diamond Blue Pearlescent.

[Mattoropael]

If it hasn't been tested already, the iFruit stock wheel painting method does basically nothing to the Schafter V12's stock wheels.

Edited December 20, 2015 by Mattoropael

[Aqua97]

This thing is fast, I must say.

[-Kaas]

Which one looks best? I'm seriously thinking about getting a third Schafter. Got the blue one, and I'm now doubting between these two:

Also, please tell me if I should keep the cabernet red interior on the black one. I kinda like it, but I feel like it may be a bit too bright.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

That white one looks perfect. And I think red fits the black one like a glove.

[Los Santos citizen]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 20, 2015 by Los Santos citizen

[-Kaas]

That white one looks perfect. And I think red fits the black one like a glove.

Thanks. Any advice on the black one? Wheels for example?

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

 

That white one looks perfect. And I think red fits the black one like a glove.

 

Thanks. Any advice on the black one? Wheels for example?I was gonna suggest the wheels used for TBoGT's Schafter but I don't know what they're called.

[-Kaas]

 

 

 

 

 

 

That white one looks perfect. And I think red fits the black one like a glove.

Thanks. Any advice on the black one? Wheels for example?

I was gonna suggest the wheels used for TBoGT's Schafter but I don't know what they're called.

 

 

These?

 

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/gtawiki/images/1/1b/Schafter-GTAV-Front.png/revision/latest?cb=20140803201119

 

I'll try them out

Edited December 20, 2015 by kaasje

[JustinR512]

 

Let's look at the facts instead of the bodywork and wheels to determine the engine.

Top Speed

Shafter: 110.5 mph

LWB: 109.5 mph

V12: 124 mph

Time around Cutting Coroners GP (Broughy)Shafter: 1:10.436[/size]LWB: 1:10:473[/size]V12: 1:05:499[/size]

 

What's more likely; the LWB requires much more engine power just to bring it on par with the original? Or it has the same engine as the original, thus almost identical performance?

 

Also, every Shafter has a V12 engine, even the old one.

 

Let's use our brains to determine the engine instead of these supposed "facts" you speak of.

 

From a knowledgeable Mercedes fan - myself - this is my theory:

 

The Schafter V12 SWB is based on the Mercedes S65 AMG which has a V12 and is a regular full sized sedan. The Schafter V12 LWB is based on the Mercedes S600 which also has a V12 but with less power than the S65 AMG, not to mention that the S600 is a stretched full sized sedan. Compared to the S65 AMG, the S600 is a lot heavier because not only is it longer, it also carries more gadgets on the inside.

But this is Rockstar and so I'm sure the LWB shares it's engine with the SWB. But, even though the S600 has a much larger and much more powerful engine than the V8 in the base Mercedes S550, they accelerate at the same rate. And in the corners the S600 performs worse. Why? Common sense will tell you that a heavier and longer car is going to perform worse than the shorter, lighter one. The S600 is almost but not exactly on par with the S550 in a straight line and the same can be said about it's track performance. Mass can really hold you back. Why does the LWB has the same styling as the SWB even though the S65 AMG looks more aggressive than the more refined looking S600? Because it's Rockstar, come on. Would you rather have a stretched and relatively base-looking Schafter with more chrome or a stretched Schafter V12? The latter, right? *but note that the poster just pointed out below that you can order a longer S65 AMG*

 

You're comparing two cars, one that's shorter and lighter (SWB) and one that's longer and heavier (LWB), then you're going to determine that the longer and heavier one doesn't have the same engine as the shorter and lighter one because it performs worse? That is quite frankly the daftest thing I've ever read. Obviously the longer and heavier one is going to perform worse, it carries around more weight. Presumably 500-1000 extra pounds. And of course the LWB is going to perform worse around a track. If it's longer, that's already going to hold you back. But it's also heavier. Also the base Schafter isn't a V12. The base IV Schafter is. And if the Schafter V12 LWB had the same engine as the base Schafter, it would perform a lot worse than the base Schafter. Do I really have to explain that one to you?

 

I swear, some of you need to use your common sense. I'm dumbfounded right now.

 

You call yourself a Mercedes fan but I can't help but notice you're considerably ignorant about the topic.

 

The S65 AMG is built on the same chassis as the S600, the LWB W221 chassis, with a 3165 mm wheelbase. (The SWB version of the W221 chassis is 3035 mm.)

 

Also, the S65 AMG weighs more than the S600. The S600 is 2105 kg (4641 lbs), while the S65 AMG is 2175 kg (4795 lbs).

 

So...the S600 is not longer; they're the same length. The S600 is not heavier; it's 154 lbs lighter. Which, incidentally, is a lot less than the weight difference you presumed would exist (the other way around) between the two.

 

The S65 AMG is heavier because it is better equipped, but it's quicker because some of that extra equipment makes it be more powerful.

 

In general, the basic idea behind what you're saying is accurate. An LWB version of a car would be heavier than the SWB version, if all other equipment remains identical in both versions. And the extra weight would make the LWB version slower. The only performance advantage of the LWB would be greater straight-line stability. So your general conclusions are right, you just picked the wrong cars to base them on. And I'm enjoying being the one to call you on it, because of you're whole "im a fan" and "know what you're talking about" attitude.

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

You are such a dork that I don't even know where to begin. I have you blocked but I just couldn't resist. Needless to say, I should've.

[radd_bro]

Does owning the V12 unlock the armored LWB schafter for the VIP abilities? Guessing not.

[skatemaster231]

Might actually have to shell out some cash for this car. How does it do as a full drift build (sports suspension + lowering glitch)?