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AlienTwo

 

@RogerWho - I agree with a bit of what you are saying, but the way the actors bring the characters to life is something amazing it itself. They took "iconic" characters that everyone knows, love or hate, and made them Iconic. Now being played so brilliantly by more than one person, these roles are larger than the actors and more like the Greek mythos, something I appreciate greatly.

 

And I agree with Indy007, this was the best of the new three, and even though it alters Trek mythology, the Trek we all love is still there on Netflix, DVD and BluRay, I'm happy for the new blood and money that made "Discovery" a possibility.

I'm honestly a bit pissed as to why it has been delayed from Jan 1st to May, but I do understand the reasoning. They didn't even start filming nor get all the crew until this month, so it would have been a bit unrealistic to release the show in Jan. Even before they changed the release date things weren't off the ground and it would have been pretty far fetched to start filming so close to the deadline.

 

At the same time...I just hope the hype will still be there.

 

My optimistic guess is that Bryan Fuller knew ahead of time he couldn't work in the winter/spring on this and had to have it completed by then, which is why they were originally targeting January, and when it because painfully obvious they couldn't come close to hitting this deadline, Fuller had to pass and the show got back on a normal schedule. It sounds like he's still in contact and if, god willing, there is a season 2, he would be open to working on that.

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AlienTwo

They have increased the goals for the DS9 documentary, "What we leave behind" and are even considering an HD re-master of the series after once stating it's impossible! If you want in on the indiegogo page and awesome perks, check the link below....

 

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/what-we-left-behind-star-trek-deep-space-nine-doc#/

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They have increased the goals for the DS9 documentary, "What we leave behind" and are even considering an HD re-master of the series after once stating it's impossible! If you want in on the indiegogo page and awesome perks, check the link below....

 

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/what-we-left-behind-star-trek-deep-space-nine-doc#/

 

About time DS9 was remastered. Some of those space battles would look epic with todays technology.

 

The video doesn't make it look that way. But we have pics of Klingons, and a rumored start date "September-ish."

 

Hype video:

 

 

 

The new-new-new Klingons;

 

 

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"September-ish:"

 

https://moviepilot.com/p/star-trek-discovery-fall-release-date/4212526

 

Is it confirmed they're Klingons? They look like it, sure, even wearing arguably Klingon armour, but I thought that rumour was discredited?

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Oh no, the rumor was NOT discredited. It's straight from an actor playing Klingons... in fact, I was contacted by a Trek official when I tweeted the picture;

 

"Would you mind deleting the pic from the set of Discovery? It hasn't spread too much yet, and obviously this was not the way it was meant to be revealed. Not your fault anyway in the slightest - and it's natural to say "Holy sh*t!" and retweet it, but if you wouldn't mind nixing it, it would make a lot of people happier."

"And don't feel bad for posting that image -- absolutely natural response......that actor who took the pic, tho, holy crap he's in trouble. He signed a stack of legal papers saying specifically not to do what he did. Some people are real dunces."

 

I call that confirmed.

As to DS9, it's not for sure they'll do the remaster, due to the technology used in the 90's they'd have to take the raw, unmastered, without effects or editing, film and basically re-do each episode. They did this for TNG but no-one really bought it and the studio lost money, so they released a statement saying we shouldn't expect an HD of Voyager or DS9. The interest in the doc though has made it a possibility though, super exciting news.

 

If anyone wants a cool Trek podcast, here's a great one, "Engage: The Official Star Trek Podcast"

 

http://www.startrek.com/podcasts

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Flash525

Well that settles it then; they are Klingons (though they don't really look very scary there).

 

Unlike TNG, I think DS9 would benefit more simply for the space fights, though it would of course require people to actually buy the remastered product, and with piracy on the rise...

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Well that settles it then; they are Klingons (though they don't really look very scary there).

 

Unlike TNG, I think DS9 would benefit more simply for the space fights, though it would of course require people to actually buy the remastered product, and with piracy on the rise...

For me that was the issue... I bought the TNG teaser with Encounter at Farpoint and Best of Both Worlds re-mastered, then season 1, 2, & 3, but by then they were getting put out on netflix, I mean the HD versions, so ... yeah, I stopped buying them. If they kept DS9 off CBS all access or netflix (the remasterd....) I think it might sell better.

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AlienTwo

It's heeeeere!! The first Discovery Trailer!

 

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A little Yridian told me September.

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Definitely has a JJverse vibe, wish we'd have got a better look at the Discovery design; I'm eager to see which of the two known designs they ultimately went with - hopefully the wireframe version. Don't understand why they needed to redesign the Klingons either, and a little uniform consistency wouldn't have gone amiss. There's so many reasons here why they should have just gone with a reboot rather than a direct prequel to the prime timeline. I'd like to know which moron decided not to set this in an entirely new universe, cause it really does need it; at least then you can look at it as something fresh, rather than wondering why everything looks different.

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Did they rob the Last Jedi's wardrobe department for Rey and Luke's costumes?

 

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Yeah, I don't think we saw even one shot of the Discovery, that ship looks like the Shenzhou. From what I've heard, the final Discovery is pretty different from that one in the first animation.... but that's just from a guy who claims he knows sh*t. But I get more of a prime feeling from this than Kelvin, ship design and alien design at least, the lense flair kind of does harken back, but it's ok. Looks cool, in my opinion.

 

As to the Klingons, they have been changed so many times for so many generations that I really don't see the issue with this. Also, I see what I count as 3, maybe 4, different types of Klingons, judging by outfits., and I think the ones most prominently figured are some "Ancient" sort, possible in a flashback or some crazy religious ceremony (hence the sarcophagus and the brief appearance of some insect like creature which seems to be could be the Hur'q - who are the ancient race that invaded and plundered Qo'noS, causing the Klingons to become the warriors we know today). Plus, I think we need to add more dimentions to the Klingons, TV/Movies culture has gotten more astute and we need a more multi-dimensional feel to the Klingons now. I'm excited as I can be, loving it all.

 

 

That picture does look like something out of Jakku, but the clip kind of takes that away a bit. I think it'll feel unique, trek-like and modern. I'd rather see this in the prime universe, just kinda ignoring a lot of the already unwieldy lore and making it's own pace.

 

Religious/Ancient Klingon:

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3 More "Warrior-Like" Klingons:

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Possible Hur'q:

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Plus, I really dig this new ship... looks like a natural extension of the NX design:

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Commander S

Must admit, I'm a bit disappointed (if not entirely surprised) by the 'let's reinvent all this for the sake of reinventing it - screw any attempt to actually make this look like a decade prior to TOS' look of everything. :/ The Klingons feel like a mix of Xindi and Abramsverse Klingons, and if you'd told me that they were in something like a Defiance revival, or the antagonists in a Mass Effect Andromeda DLC pack, I'd have probably found that more believable.

And it's not like I don't think the team should have gone for absolute adherence to TOS - if anything, I reckon it was a perfect opportunity to hand-waive a few of the accumulated discrepancies over the years (not in a 'Klingon Augments' way, but in a 'Enterprise Andorians redesign' way), and create a modern update of the TOS-era style, with all the benefits of contemporary VFX and materials. As it is, I almost reckon that if they'd just decided that the Klingons were new aliens altogether, and set it after the TNG era, they could have done exactly the same as what we've seen, and given themselves a lot more leeway when it comes to not treading on the toes of previous Treks. Maybe even the same kind of time-jump as with TNG - shove things forward the best part of a century, and then there's also room to fill in the intervening years as needed (bit like what Star Trek Online did, too - only with more wiggle-room).

...that, or maybe Alex Kurtzman just wants to stick with 'his' established version of Trek - in which case, just make this an Abramsverse series, and have done. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


As for that ship, yeah, that's probably the Shenzhou - and it does look like an evolution of the NX. Helps that it's a John Eaves design - the nacelle shapes and other 'knife-like' design elements are pretty typical of his style (to the point that it looks a lot like an original thing he came up with for a fan several years back):

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...but they're splitting the first season into two. I'll be happy to eat my words, but this production has been f-ed from the beginning. I just don't know man, I don't know...

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AlienTwo

...but they're splitting the first season into two. I'll be happy to eat my words, but this production has been f-ed from the beginning. I just don't know man, I don't know...

Yeah, but that's pretty standard for TV shows these days... as stupid as it is. They also have been pushing this interview all day today;

 

http://ew.com/tv/2017/06/19/star-trek-discovery-explains/

 

Sounds like exactly what they want us to believe, unfortunately.

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Flash525

...they still need to redesign the Discovery, cause the ship above is (I believe) the Shenzhou. There was a new poster on Instagram, I think yesterday which quite easily displayed the other design with a Trek logo. It was posted by the official Trek page, so it's legit.

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AlienTwo

...they still need to redesign the Discovery, cause the ship above is (I believe) the Shenzhou. There was a new poster on Instagram, I think yesterday which quite easily displayed the other design with a Trek logo. It was posted by the official Trek page, so it's legit.

This one? This came from the "Premier Date" poster/animation;

 

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^^ Yeah, that's the one. Hideous or what? Someone obviously forgot to tell he production team that we aren't living in the 80's anymore.

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Commander S

See, from where I'm sitting, just a few softer edges on things like the nacelles, and that design would fit right in with the TMP-era designs. Which isn't at all surprising, considering that it's based on the 'Planet of the Titans' pre-TMP concepts...

...just a shame that's a bit of a weird, anachronistic choice, considering this is supposed to be decades before TMP, and ...well, around the time of The Cage:

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But see they went all the way to Switzerland to come up with the best starship design from only the fanciest for artisans. You think they're going to do something cheap and go down to the local dollar store for a woman's hair holder to make some blind character on the show be able to see? That would be just whak I tells ya!

 

Damnit Viacom you had one job to do, ONE DAMN JOB!!! Put a sci-fi show on network in primetime. Wanna make it dark and sexy? Put it on Showtime and it'll be your version of Game of Thrones. But nooooo. You had to be dumbasses and go and try and launch a streaming service totally on the backs of star trek fans. Those dupes, they'll pay for anything. They'll totally prop up our fledgling service with no other reason for existing than this show. You idiots, what happens when only HALF of a promised full season ends? You think people are going to pay for your crappy streaming service waiting for the back half of the other season? And watch what? Blooper reels and outtakes from NCIS: New Orleans? f*ck NCIS: New Orleans (all due respect to Scott Blackula). Do you even stream bro? Damnit Viacom you suck dirty old man balls.

 

Hell Alien2, those guys that made the crowd-funded Trek, and $47 would do a better job than this.

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AlienTwo

$6 a month is way less than I'd be willing to pay for new Star Trek on tv. This is the new media landscape; streaming, and they make shows to make money meaning they have to target the wider audience. Would I have preferred a Post-Nemesis Prime Timeline show that kinda picks up where our on-screen adventures left off? F*ck yes, but that doesn't mean I'm not willing to see where this new vision of Star Trek takes us. If it's bad, the so be it, and it'll be a sad day for Star Trek fandom, but the great thing is all that Star Trek that you love will still be there, unmolested and looking like the last time you watched it. So I'll still hope D8scovery is a success as that might make more creative doors open up for more varied looks in the Trek universe, no matter if I like it or not. Who knows, maybe that dream show will happen, but I watched Continues, I watched Renegades and I watched Horizon... I feel like Trek is in better hands with CBS. Continues looks the best done, but they only have to emulate a show from the 60's, which they do well, but that doesn't ring true as a believable glimpse at the future when looking through today's lense.

 

So... second star on the right, and straight on until morning with this new thing.

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Flash525

See, from where I'm sitting, just a few softer edges on things like the nacelles, and that design would fit right in with the TMP-era designs. Which isn't at all surprising, considering that it's based on the 'Planet of the Titans' pre-TMP concepts...

 

...just a shame that's a bit of a weird, anachronistic choice, considering this is supposed to be decades before TMP, and ...well, around the time of The Cage

 

That may well be very true, but shows need to move with the times, and the times have allowed for much better. Just because the show is set in the TOS era (or before) it doesn't need to look like something out of the TOS era. ST: Enterprise managed the modern look, as did the big screen reboots. This ship is a step backwards.

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Eh, there's a difference between making the show look like a carbon-copy of '60s Trek (like so many fan films, or even the times when TNG/DS9/Enterprise did a good job of recreating the sets), and doing a modern interpretation of the same design lines. Subtle tweaks to the uniform designs, some additional details on the sets and ships, etc. - the best way I can describe such a visual overhaul would be to describe the original show as 'what a TV show version of Starfleet would look like', and an updated, more detailed revision as 'what Starfleet would look like for real'.

There are some great updated takes on the original Enterprise that do that - adding things like all the visible weapons and thrusters from the TMP/TNG ships, as well as giving the whole thing a slightly more streamlined look - for example, Jason 'Vektor' Lee's redesign:

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And for the uniforms, I actually think that the nearest to a good modernised take on the original look was ...the uniform style from the 2009 reboot:

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...yeah, I could do without the slightly daft 'embossed ship insignia as a texture on the fabric' approach (too much like branded sports kit, not a quasi-military organisation), and maybe put proper sleeves on the female crewmembers' versions so that there's some visible indication of their rank... :facedesk: But the overall design works as an update - all that'd be needed for something like Discovery would be to change the colours, make the 'sweater' part a turtleneck-ish thing, etc.

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Flash525

^^ Doesn't look too bad (the ship) but I still feel it's lacking somewhat. Of all the versions I've seen, I prefer the fan creation by MadKoiFish:

 

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AlienTwo

Very cool Enterprises....

 

Here's what is bound to be another unpopular image, personally I'm still okay with it all, but this is the Shenzhou's transporter room;

 

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We've still yet to see ANYTHING of the Discovery itself except the recent date announcement image I posted up earlier.

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