Annuit Coeptis Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 f*ck turkey in the ass and then carve each organ out of the asshole. f*cking trigger happy assholes shooting whatever comes into their airspace. They probably are hiding something. In fact, I'm willing to bet they ARE hiding something. NATO countries usually don't support terrorist groups by buying oil from them and bombing Kurds. My condolences to Russia and the pilots' families. (Both help and plane) K1FFLOM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sivispacem Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I'm not saying that Russia or the Syrian regime are innocent, of course they're not, but I can say with certainty that the Americans are not the good guys here. Full transcript here if anyone fancies reading it in context, rather than just watching YT clips published by the Russian state. http://m.state.gov/md249928.htm The relevant bit in context: QUESTION: Just one more -- MR TONER: Please, go ahead. QUESTION: -- please, thank you. MR TONER: Yeah. QUESTION: Turkoman forces in Syria said they killed the two Russian pilots as they descended in parachutes. MR TONER: Yeah. QUESTION: Turkoman forces are supported by Turkey and are fighting against the Syrian Government, they are part of the rebel force there. Do you consider these rebels to be a moderate force in Syria? MR TONER: So a couple of thoughts, one or a couple points: One is weve seen conflicting views, as I think Said just mentioned. Weve also seen that one pilot may not have been killed. If these were if these Turkoman were actually the being attacked by these Russian strikes, they have every right to defend themselves. But that said, we dont that said, we dont know -- QUESTION: And they have the right to shoot at the pilots in parachutes? MR TONER: We dont have a clear, clear understanding of everything that happened today, okay? Ive said that and I can keep saying it all day. Were still trying to determine what happened. Its easy to rush to judgments and to make proclamations and declarations after an incident like this. You need to gather the facts, you need to be clear about what happened, what occurred, and again, with the emphasis where the where we want the emphasis to be is de-escalating and communications between Turkey and Russia going forward. Abel. and Annuit Coeptis 2 AMD Ryzen 5900X (4.65GHz All-Core PBO2) | Gigabye X570S Pro | 32GB G-Skill Trident Z RGB 3600MHz CL16 EK-Quantum Reflection D5 | XSPC D5 PWM | TechN/Heatkiller Blocks | HardwareLabs GTS & GTX 360 Radiators Corsair AX750 | Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic XL | EVGA GeForce RTX2080 XC @2055MHz | Sabrant Rocket Plus 1TB Sabrant Rocket 2TB | Samsung 970 Evo 1TB | 2x ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q | Q Acoustics 2010i | Sabaj A4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annuit Coeptis Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Let's just hope this doesn't lead to another war. The world is already strained with ISIS, this would be worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sivispacem Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 It won't. For all the grandstanding and chest-beating, Russia isn't in a position to stretch it's military any further even if they wanted to, which I don't think they really do. It'll de-escalate fairly rapidly I imagine, though I doubt the Russians will strike those Northern Syrian villages again... Annuit Coeptis 1 AMD Ryzen 5900X (4.65GHz All-Core PBO2) | Gigabye X570S Pro | 32GB G-Skill Trident Z RGB 3600MHz CL16 EK-Quantum Reflection D5 | XSPC D5 PWM | TechN/Heatkiller Blocks | HardwareLabs GTS & GTX 360 Radiators Corsair AX750 | Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic XL | EVGA GeForce RTX2080 XC @2055MHz | Sabrant Rocket Plus 1TB Sabrant Rocket 2TB | Samsung 970 Evo 1TB | 2x ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q | Q Acoustics 2010i | Sabaj A4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raavi Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Turkey a country led by a megalomaniac, a country that violates Greek airspace on pretty much a daily basis, actively bombs and thwarts the YPG, the only ground force that have proven to be capable against ISIS all the while supporting those exact islamist terrorists they are to be fighting- It's clear that its general foreign policy and strategic interests grow more and more opposed of NATO, as do it's allegiances. And now this latest woefully irresponsible stunt? Turkey under Erdogan is unravelling exceedingly rapidly and becoming more and more of a loose cannon. A country like that should not be in NATO. GTA_stu, Abel., ten-a-penny and 3 others 6 – overeducated wonk who fetishises compromise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunrise Driver Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) Nice job Turkey! Russia was asking for it and finally someone with balls showed that barbarians can't just violate international laws and borders as they pleased. What was Russian responce? They prohibited selling tours to Turkish resorts. Nice. "Super power". "World leader". Sure. Edited November 25, 2015 by Street Mix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephan90 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) Nice job Turkey! Russia was asking for it and finally someone with balls showed that barbarians can't just violate international laws and borders as they pleased. What was Russian responce? They prohibited selling tours to Turkish resorts. Nice. "Super power". "World leader". Sure. Stupid warmonger, people with too much terstosterone like you will cause the next war. Or maybe you are just that loud because you sit on the other side of the ocean. Turkey a country led by a megalomaniac, a country that violates Greek airspace on pretty much a daily basis, actively bombs and thwarts the YPG, the only ground force that have proven to be capable against ISIS all the while supporting those exact islamist terrorists they are to be fighting- It's clear that its general foreign policy and strategic interests grow more and more opposed of NATO, as do it's allegiances. And now this latest woefully irresponsible stunt? Turkey under Erdogan is unravelling exceedingly rapidly and becoming more and more of a loose cannon. A country like that should not be in NATO. totally agree, the government is a security risk. Without NATO insurance they wouldn't dare to do such stupid Rambo actions. Edited November 25, 2015 by Stephan90 Audiophile and K1FFLOM 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunrise Driver Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) Nice job Turkey! Russia was asking for it and finally someone with balls showed that barbarians can't just violate international laws and borders as they pleased. What was Russian responce? They prohibited selling tours to Turkish resorts. Nice. "Super power". "World leader". Sure. Stupid warmonger, people with too much terstosterone like you will cause the next war. Or maybe you are just that loud because you sit on the other side of the ocean. What war? Are you implying that ruSSia is capable of starting world war? They are not. They can only provoke and fight those who's weak and vulnerable. You'd sing different if russian plane would enter German's airspace and would be shot down. totally agree, the government is a security risk. Without NATO insurance they wouldn't dare to do such stupid Rambo actions. Protecting its borders from possible intervention from hostile country is stupid Rambo actions now? Edited November 25, 2015 by Street Mix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Scratch Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Said the armchair general. ten-a-penny, Annuit Coeptis, Audiophile and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annuit Coeptis Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) It won't. For all the grandstanding and chest-beating, Russia isn't in a position to stretch it's military any further even if they wanted to, which I don't think they really do. It'll de-escalate fairly rapidly I imagine, though I doubt the Russians will strike those Northern Syrian villages again... Yeah, they'll probably refrain from striking it for a few weeks at least, like Canada. Anyways, I agree with Raavi. Turkey is a NATO country, but they definetely don't deserve that. Edited November 25, 2015 by Annuit Cœptis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
make total destroy Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 all it takes is for one jet to get shot down, and suddenly everyone on GTAF is a military strategist. Abel., Niobium, ten-a-penny and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyName'sJeff Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Nice job Turkey! Russia was asking for it and finally someone with balls showed that barbarians can't just violate international laws and borders as they pleased. What was Russian responce? They prohibited selling tours to Turkish resorts. Nice. "Super power". "World leader". Sure. Stupid warmonger, people with too much terstosterone like you will cause the next war. Or maybe you are just that loud because you sit on the other side of the ocean. What war? Are you implying that ruSSia is capable of starting world war? They are not. They can only provoke and fight those who's weak and vulnerable. You'd sing different if russian plane would enter German's airspace and would be shot down. totally agree, the government is a security risk. Without NATO insurance they wouldn't dare to do such stupid Rambo actions. Protecting its borders from possible intervention from hostile country is stupid Rambo actions now? You really are one uneducated, typical yank moron. The fact that you think Russia can't start a war proves you're a mental case. K1FFLOM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coin Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 all it takes is for one jet to get shot down, and suddenly everyone on GTAF is a military strategist. I feel that my experience playing war strategy games for tens of thousands of hours makes me uniquely qualified to comment from the position of military strategist in this particular thread. I hope you agree, MTD. Sunrise Driver, ten-a-penny and make total destroy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraizer Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Im just wondering, since the tension is so high in syria and everybody fighting in every f*cking direction, why would Russia push the limits? why even come close to crossing over into Turkish airspace? Seriously what is the point? Are they trying to see how far in they can go? If you ask me, its a stupid decision on both parts. Turkey shouldnt have jumped the gun so to speak and Russian should not have pushed the limits. I think they both realize this too, but the media will spin it how they want. However, I think this will blow over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyName'sJeff Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Of course this will blow over. But not before Turkey actually says what the reasons were for shooting down jets from a country that is fighting a common enemy, not to mention the fact that they actually thought Russian jets were a threat to them which makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunrise Driver Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) Oh yes. Russia can start a war. A war with weaker poor neighbours like Georgia, Ukraine, Moldova, Afghanistan. They can start a world war too but they'll loose minutes after declaring it. If you think they have the power and the army like Germany had then it means russian propaganda worked well. Edited November 25, 2015 by Street Mix gooeyhole 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraizer Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) Of course this will blow over. But not before Turkey actually says what the reasons were for shooting down jets from a country that is fighting a common enemy, not to mention the fact that they actually thought Russian jets were a threat to them which makes no sense. They're not just fighting a common enemy. The only common enemy they have is ISIS. To be clear what started in 2011 is Assads army shooting up a protest, leading to Rebelion, the Kurds secede, Assad releasing Jihadist extremist to join the rebels to discourage foreign backers, but Turkey, Suadi Arabia, and Jordan support the Rebels. Russia, Iran, Hezbollah support Assad. Then ISIS is formed and starts fighting the Rebels and Kurds, beheading people from different nations... etc. The US then supports the Rebels that fight ISIS and not the ones who fight Assad. Then after Assad starts losing ground to ISIS Russia comes in to bomb ISIS and bombs the Rebels instead. Its a cluster f*ck of ideals that are quite frankly too complicated. The Tensions are high, and stupid decisions only add to the already complicated situation. Edited November 25, 2015 by Fraizer ten-a-penny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA_stu Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Oh man he's even changed his flag to a Turkish one. #JesuisErdogan #PrayforIstanbul Stephan90, K1FFLOM, Damned_Hitman and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMcSame Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I'm not saying that Russia or the Syrian regime are innocent, of course they're not, but I can say with certainty that the Americans are not the good guys here. Exactly how I see it. I don't know what the West is thinking, NATO or not, Turkey's actions were far too extreme and should not be supported. It's hard to call an action an act of defence when the target posed no threat in the first place. Turkey should be held responsible for the killings of the pilots and the destruction of Russian military equipment (including the helicopter shot down by Syrian rebels). Borders should be respected, but what Turkey did was beyond extreme. Turkey is certainly not in a place to start crying about airspace breaches either... Audiophile, K1FFLOM and ten-a-penny 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K1FFLOM Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 The reason for Russia flying in the Turkish border area is that Turkey has an open border to Syria. Syria is a dying country here and the border to Turkey should be closed. Turkey has NO interest in that though.... And for Russia as a war oponent. Germany would stand no chance with guns that don't shoot straight, helicopters and planes that are grounded. What would you expect from a female defence minister who thinks her hairstyle comes first, above all. No. Russia is a perfect ally for us in this. They want to prove themselves as a decent partner. We should give "mother russia" the chance ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Scratch Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 all it takes is for one jet to get shot down, and suddenly everyone on GTAF is a military strategist. That's my line, you punk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
make total destroy Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 You ain't no punk, you punk. sivispacem and Mr. Scratch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA_stu Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) Someone mentioned a musical genre. Brace yourselves, YT videos coming in 5... 4... 3... 2... Edited November 25, 2015 by GTA_stu ten-a-penny, K1FFLOM, RedDagger and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
make total destroy Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 plz don't encourage me sivispacem and Tyler 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xing of Virtue Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 This is the beginning of the demise of Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunrise Driver Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Oh man he's even changed his flag to a Turkish one. #JesuisErdogan #PrayforIstanbul I'm working on my avatar now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephan90 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 This is the beginning of the demise of Europe. No, only when people continue with pointless escalations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDagger Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 This is the beginning of the demise of Europe.I heavily doubt this'll be close to the "demise of Europe", and it's not the start if it was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shyabang Shyabang Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 While I don't think this single incident will start WWIII, it shows that this sort of thing can happen and did happen. In other words, it can happen again, and that could escalate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Scratch Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 You ain't no punk, you punk. You wanna talk about the real junk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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