Turkey shoots down Russian jet

[Eram]

How come this thread http://gtaforums.com/topic/830526-weed-turkey/was created and just about 8 hrs after this incident happened? Illuminati lurking @GTAF I'd say.

 

OT, atm Turkey couldn't care less about daesh, as long as they keep fighting in "Kurdistan" it's just fine for Erdogan.

[Ai®a©ob®a]

Turkey buys oil from ISIS. Turkey arms the "moderate" Islamists and somehow the weapons end up in ISIS hands. Turkey says they will bomb ISIS in Syria. They accidentally bomb the Kurds. Oops. ISIS gains territory on the Syrian/Turkish border. The border stays open.

 

f*ck Turkey. f*ck 'em in the ass. Dry. I hope a sovereign Kurdistan is created after this mess just so the collective Turkish butthurt would fuel the planet for a hundred years.

The Turks bombing the Kurds wasn't an "Accident" it was intentional as the Turks believe that the Kurds are terrorist and while they are designated as Militants they are the ones fighting ISIS

 

I just looked at an video how Turkey shot down the jet and later one helicopter that would save the pilots. Great. Now we really know we are going to get screwed by Russia..

I find it funny that none of the main reporting sources such as AP, Guardian and other media have reported on the helicopter being shot down it's coming from third party news sources with some of them saying the Helicopter took fire and made an emergency landing while others are reporting that the helicopter was shot down by Syrian Rebels so i'm taking this report with a grain of salt at the moment.

 

Until NATO or the Russians themselves confirm the downing of the Helicopter i'll take it the reports lightly.

 

There is already a video posted on youtube claiming to show video of the helicopter being shot down, Don't bother watching it as it's 100% fake as the helicopter shot in the video was already on the ground with the rotors stopped while news reports were saying the helicopter was fired on while it was in the air.

[860]

The Turks bombing the Kurds wasn't an "Accident"

I'm fully aware of that. It was sarcasm.

[Ai®a©ob®a]

 

The Turks bombing the Kurds wasn't an "Accident"

I'm fully aware of that. It was sarcasm.

 

Ah, Sometimes you can never tell

[drifter.]

f*cking sigh man.

 

Now all we need is North Korea to make a move and ww3 is officially imminent.

[BUT THE BENZ]

Turkey buys oil from ISIS. Turkey arms the "moderate" Islamists and somehow the weapons end up in ISIS hands. Turkey says they will bomb ISIS in Syria. They accidentally bomb the Kurds. Oops. ISIS gains territory on the Syrian/Turkish border. The border stays open.

 

f*ck Turkey. f*ck 'em in the ass. Dry. I hope a sovereign Kurdistan is created after this mess just so the collective Turkish butthurt would fuel the planet for a hundred years.

spot on my friend! kurdistan will happen, only a matter of time!

[Eram]

 

From http://www.capakcurgazetesi.com.tr/2015/11/24/tsk-dusurulen-ucagin-radar-izini-paylasti/

[K1FFLOM]

Whats that ?

The final level of "Tempest 3000" for the NUON ?

 

Enlighten us, please !

 

 

Turkey had only one reason to shoot down the plane:

To destabilize the whole situation within the Syrian conflict ! They never had any reason to be within the NATO (that country is pretty far from "the North" -and- the Atlantic, tbh) or to be in the EU.

Edited November 24, 2015 by K1FFLOM

[Caysle]

the kurds are the good guys though, always have been.

 

oh cmon, this can't be happening

[BUT THE BENZ]

 

the kurds are the good guys though, always have been.

 

oh cmon, this can't be happening

 

let's not derail the thread...let's NOT do it.

[Eram]

Whats that ?

The final level of "Tempest 3000" for the NUON ?

 

Enlighten us, please !

-snip-

Sorry dude, being someone who's used to see radar images I thought it was clear enough without any legend. My fault.

 

Turks released this radar image (Russians should also have their own...).

Legend:

-In red - Russian plane's path;

-In blue - Turkish boarder;

-In white/dotted - Turkish F16.

 

Bare in mind that this is just some static radar image, released by the Turkish to show airspace violation by the Russians, not the plane shotdown.

If for real, there'll be some latter images (for sure a real time video) displaying the event.

Again, if it's true, the video will be public soon, unless the Turkish F16 itself violated Syria's airspace...

[Caysle]

 

 

the kurds are the good guys though, always have been.

 

oh cmon, this can't be happening

 

let's not derail the thread...let's NOT do it.

 

pkk doesn't become the "good guy" just because they are against isis. let's make that clear.

[860]

Commies will always be scum, but the PKK doesn't represent all Kurds.

 

Letter sent by Turkey to NATO released by WikiLeaks. The jet was in Turkish airspace for 17 seconds and 1,15 miles before re-entering into Syrian airspace. You can see the little area they crossed on Eram's pic above.

 

[make total destroy]

pkk doesn't become the "good guy" just because they are against isis. let's make that clear.

 

 

 

They're not just fighting ISIS, though. They're building regional autonomy, defending the rights of women, and attempting to create a society that actually benefit it's members. Their influence in the region is a positive one.

 

Commies will always be scum

 

nuh-uh

[Stephan90]

@ Noclue 42, yes give the Kurds in Turkey, Syria, Iran and Iraq one state and build a border fence around it if desired. That would bring more peace into the region.

 

@ Sivispacem, I don't think it makes much sense anymore to debate about MH 17. The report has been released already the investigation is finished. Either they release the audio to the public or for me neither version of the story is proven. Also this shootdown doesn't change anything regarding the conflict between separatists in Donbass and the regime in Kiev.. Without MH 17 it would be the same conflict. If you know anything about operation Northwoods, the gulf of Tonkin incident, which served as false pretence for the Vietnam war, or the terror comitted by secret NATO controlled Gladio armies in Italy which was then blamed on the communists, then you should believe nobody. The NATO is not neutral just as much as I don't believe anyone who holds back the audio recordings of MH 17.

 

The most stupid newspaper in our country "BIld" had an article at the top of their website today with the headline: "Putin attacks Turkey" lol stupid warmongers.

 

Edited November 24, 2015 by Stephan90

[Spaghetti Cat]

Wait, they still have a free press in Russia?

[craigdyid]

Commies will always be scum, but the PKK doesn't represent all Kurds.

 

Letter sent by Turkey to NATO released by WikiLeaks. The jet was in Turkish airspace for 17 seconds and 1,15 miles before re-entering into Syrian airspace. You can see the little area they crossed on Eram's pic above.

 

 

I'm a commie and don't consider myself scum. I consider myself a kind human being who is always willing to go out there way to do work for charities in their spare time and detests the use of violence except in very exceptional circumstances.

 

Although it is worth stating I am not a Stalinist. Stalinism was the joke that gave communism a bad rep. Anyone who's read Marx can tell you that having a totalitarian state is the complete opposite of what Marx proposes. As for North Korea they have a caste system and are the furthest thing from socialism the world has known since the days of monarchy's.

[sivispacem]

If you know anything about operation Northwoods

I which never actually happened, let's not forget. The CIA spent 20 years studying remote viewing, that doesn't mean you can telepathically inhabit people.

 

secret NATO controlled Gladio armies in Italy which was then blamed on the communists

I'm pretty clued up on Gladio (the same stay-behind militias were set up in a number of countries, I wrote a paper on the subject). A cryptofascist clusterf*ck of epic proportions, yes, but the amount of operational control NATO exercised over the Gladio units is pretty questionable. It's certainly a monster of their creation, though. And let's not forget, the entire strategic landscape is totally different.

 

The most stupid newspaper in our country "BIld" had an article at the top of their website today with the headline: "Putin attacks Turkey" lol stupid warmongers.

Is that genuinely their headline or something RT, which you've sourced it from, has mocked up in PhotoShop? Because if it genuinely is the former, that's f*cking ridiculous. Reminds me of those laughable "leaked" documents the Russian press printed that professed to be from NATO, but had gmail contact email addresses and dozens of spelling errors.

[860]

Russia is now claiming that the Turkish jets never even tried to contact them before shooting. Turkey is claiming that they warned them 10 times in 5 minutes.

 

Also here's a video showing what Russians claim happened.

 

 

[Eram]

^^^ I've watched a lot of this radar/transponder replays before.

It's surely not clear enough, they could easily deliver something better (frame rate better I mean), this one seems edited after 52'', just sayin'

Edited November 24, 2015 by Eram

[Stephan90]

@ Sivispacem, indeed operation Northwoods never happened but it is bad enough that it was planned and signed by the Chairman of the Joint chiefs of staff. Deadly Terror against American citizens to have a pretense for a war against Cuba, ridiculous.

 

 

 

 

Regarding the Bild headline it was not made up by RT, I have seen it on the Bild homepage with my own eyes. Bild the biggest tabloid in Germany had a headline that claimed Putin attacked Turkey. Disgusting. These kind of journalists will write us into a war between NATO and Russia someday. They are trying to make our people ready for wars.

Edited November 24, 2015 by Stephan90

[K1FFLOM]

LoL.

Now that really was a reason to shoot down a plane: 17 seconds within Turkish airspace.

 

How long was the U-2 spy-plane or even the Korean 747 in Russian airspace until they got shot down ? Not that those were reasonable shootings, but honestly.... 17 secs ?

[gooeyhole]

lol idk what to think

 

How the f--- would Turkey be able to give fair warning to the jet in 17 seconds?

 

Why did the jet land 4-5 kilometers into Syria?

 

someone help clear this up pls

[Stephan90]

Didn't Turkey claim they warned the Russian jet 10 times within 5 minutes?! How is this possible when it was only 17 seconds in Turkish airspace.

 

It was proably like this: Russian jets enters Turkish airspace --> maybe one warning within the 17 seconds at most --> Russian jet leaves Turkish airspace towards Syria --> warning 9 times --> Russian jet is shot down over Syria and also hits the ground in Syria

 

The normal routine would be probably to sent interceptors first that approach the intruder until it is in sight to say "hello we know you are there".

 

Also, why didn't they consider that the Russian jet maybe had to dodge fire from rebels on the Syrian side near the border and therefore had to fly 17 over Turkish airspace. It is possible because both pilots were found by Turkmen rebels in Syria shortly after they landed with their parachutes. So there ARE hostile rebels in this area that the jet maybe had to dodge.

Edited November 24, 2015 by Stephan90

[.Smaher.]

Oops. Totally read the title wrong. Thought it was a festive thing.

[Eram]

@CanadianB - The released data isn't much, so it will all just be a bit speculative, anyway this is how I read it so far:

-Russian plane detected near boarder and tracked by Turkish radars;

-Turkish plane deployed;

-When approaching some limit outside Turkish boarder (as defined by Turkish military) the Russian plane was warned/ordered to alter course in order to not enter Turkish airspace (naturally this warning should be issued in due time so the "intruder" can easily alter its course, without violating the airspace);

-Russian plane ignored/didn't heard/tested the warning/order and entered Turkish airspace;

-Turkish plane had 17'' to shoot it down and Boooom!

 

It's not really important if the airspace violation was just for 17"/2.3 kms, the Russian pilot should know that it's the same as flying over Istanbul, if it was some sort of emergency manouver he should've announced it to the Turkish (mainly if he heard the warning).

Now one can also speculate that the plane was shot down outside that 17" interval, meaning in Syria's airspace, though only proper replay radar images can confirm/debunk this.

Again just a guess due to lack of accurate data, but in order for it to be able to fall in Turquey it must have been shot while still over Syria. If shot over that slim 2.3 kms Turkish area's crossing surely it could only fall into Syria, considering the height, speed and course that we atm know of.

[sivispacem]

operation Northwoods never happened but it is bad enough that it was planned

I think your and my definition of "planned" might differ here. The document was a proposal, not a plan, hence the lack of detail. As I said before, the fact it was signed off by the Chief of Staff doesn't necessarily imply any kind of political intent. Especially given the borderline insane things that were not just signed off on, but actively pursued and funded by US government agencies (truth serums, remote viewing, psychokinesis).

 

Didn't Turkey claim they warned the Russian jet 10 times within 5 minutes?! How is this possible when it was only 17 seconds in Turkish airspace.

My understanding is that a warning doesn't necessarily have to be issued when an unidentified aircraft is actually in foreign airspace, but just heading towards it or threatening to enter it. I don't think "warning" is necessarily a verbal thing either, but could simply be a squalk from an IFF transponder with a specific code.

 

That said, there's an ulterior motivation in all of this- Russia's bombing of Turkmen rebels along the Syrian border, as they comprise part of the Free Syrian Army. Turkey has already warned that any attacks on the Turkmen population would be responded to with force.

 

Oh, and as an aside, can we all stop quoting that dinosaur f*ckwit?

[K20]

 

 

This just looks like the pilot took a shortcut to the otherside, saves going around. its obvious these few seconds was a good reason to shoot.

 

 

Russia is now claiming that the Turkish jets never even tried to contact them before shooting. Turkey is claiming that they warned them 10 times in 5 minutes.

 

i aint no Russian, but i'm sure Russians dont speak turkish. and i'm sure if a turkish spoke English, it would be broken as hell, even an English person would find it hard to understand, let alone a Russian. if you get what i mean.

 

to my understanding, all that the Russian pilot heard was "blahh blaahhh blahhh you russian blaaahh blaah blah"

Edited November 25, 2015 by K20

[sivispacem]

That's why we have IFF codes that issue the warning for us, no issues with language barrier. Do you really think that kind of thing isn't considered when the largest military union in the world consists of countries speaking about 30 different languages?

[860]

 

 

I'm not saying that Russia or the Syrian regime are innocent, of course they're not, but I can say with certainty that the Americans are not the good guys here.