Friendly and non-friendly lobbies are a must

[.Vooodu.]

 

I love all the crying about the jet griefers.

 

This game is about urban warfare, plain and simple

 

GTA was never about urban warfare. It was and still is about crime.. Urban warfare is just an mindless fun activity some people choose to do in free roam.

 

Jet griefers are a problem... Only because of all ways on blips..

 

As long as always on blips exist aggressive players will be a problem for anyone not seeking attention.

 

IM against friendly lobbies.. But only because i think R* could better fix what we currently have. But anyone who thinks its just fine and players should stick to invite only clearly thinks the game is fine as is. And its really not, if thats the only choice.

[bicenz]

 

Friendly: cannot harm other players.

Non friendly: can harm other players.

 

this removes the need for passive mode and the opportunity to abuse that feature with it.

 

passive mode is a great feature for griefers to use. Finally crash your jet? No worry, just enable passive and go get another one. Rinse and repeat.

 

Yes, I could follow them and destroy the hydra before they get into it but there are some circumstances where I won't be able to do that, like if he calls in his zentorno or t20 to drive to his jet spawn while I'll have to wait on the mechanic timer or pointlessly attempt to catch him in a stolen car off an npc or if I spawn somewhere where I'll have to run to a road before I can even call the mechanic while he already spawns on a road and gets a head start.

 

It all becomes very tedious when you're chasing this guy all over the map to destroy his hydras just so he can't grief you and then jump into passive as soon as he crashes it or if you blow him up.

 

I think it's easier this way since players who don't want confrontation with other players can join friendly lobbies and still blow up cops or do whatever they want and players who don't mind fighting other players can join non friendly lobbies. The passive mode system is open to abuse and this will solve it.

 

In my opinion, if you're going to kill other players then you should have to take the fight that comes with it. Just because you've been taken out of your jet or finally been taken off that rooftop shouldn't mean you get immunity while you go get another or return to that spot.

 

I love all the crying about the jet griefers.

 

If I had a dollar for everytime I go up in the sky to dogfight only to have that ruined by some idiot on the ground with an auto locking homing missile that ruins my dogfight (almost impossible to avoid these and fight a plane at the same time), I could get me one of those gold planes (I'd just crash it on purpose because I think it is stupid).

 

This game is about urban warfare, plain and simple (or plane and simple). I could lists dozens of abuses by land griefers as well. It is what it is.

 

 

"Go dogfight in invite only" Another smart solution would be a dogfight at a decent altitude where auto locking homing missiles won't reach you

[Ryan1888]

 

Friendly: cannot harm other players.

Non friendly: can harm other players.

 

this removes the need for passive mode and the opportunity to abuse that feature with it.

 

passive mode is a great feature for griefers to use. Finally crash your jet? No worry, just enable passive and go get another one. Rinse and repeat.

 

Yes, I could follow them and destroy the hydra before they get into it but there are some circumstances where I won't be able to do that, like if he calls in his zentorno or t20 to drive to his jet spawn while I'll have to wait on the mechanic timer or pointlessly attempt to catch him in a stolen car off an npc or if I spawn somewhere where I'll have to run to a road before I can even call the mechanic while he already spawns on a road and gets a head start.

 

It all becomes very tedious when you're chasing this guy all over the map to destroy his hydras just so he can't grief you and then jump into passive as soon as he crashes it or if you blow him up.

 

I think it's easier this way since players who don't want confrontation with other players can join friendly lobbies and still blow up cops or do whatever they want and players who don't mind fighting other players can join non friendly lobbies. The passive mode system is open to abuse and this will solve it.

 

In my opinion, if you're going to kill other players then you should have to take the fight that comes with it. Just because you've been taken out of your jet or finally been taken off that rooftop shouldn't mean you get immunity while you go get another or return to that spot.

I love all the crying about the jet griefers.

 

If I had a dollar for everytime I go up in the sky to dogfight only to have that ruined by some idiot on the ground with an auto locking homing missile that ruins my dogfight (almost impossible to avoid these and fight a plane at the same time), I could get me one of those gold planes (I'd just crash it on purpose because I think it is stupid).

 

This game is about urban warfare, plain and simple (or plane and simple). I could lists dozens of abuses by land griefers as well. It is what it is.

I don't have a problem with people in jets. My problem is when they finally crash and they jump straight into passive because they don't have their jet anymore.

[Stealthflight]

Well, I guess the conclusion is that people that aren't that good in a game with assault rifles and missiles and jets, want to be in a game that's like SIMS so they can play dolly and dress up, cruise around and do bmx stunt jumps without no one bothering them. (we have this already btw, called passive mode)

Instead of a sandbox arena. they want it their way to fit their abilities or lack of...

Edited November 23, 2015 by Stealthflight

[Arrows to Athens]

Well, I guess the conclusion is that people that aren't that good in a game with assault rifles and missiles and jets, want to be in a game that's like SIMS so they can play dolly and dress up, cruise around and do bmx stunt jumps without no one bothering them. (we have this already btw, called passive mode)

Instead of a sandbox arena. they want it their way to fit their abilities or lack of...

Please, just stop.

[bicenz]

Well, I guess the conclusion is that people that aren't that good in a game with assault rifles and missiles and jets, want to be in a game that's like SIMS so they can play dolly and dress up, cruise around and do bmx stunt jumps without no one bothering them. (we have this already btw, called passive mode)

Instead of a sandbox arena. they want it their way to fit their abilities or lack of...

 

Don't get me wrong, i also don't like people who always complains about being killed and damn if i love this urban warfare in GTAO. But i also understand that stunting, cruising around with cars and all this stuff could be a lot more fun if it's done also with randoms in a friendly lobby instead of being a passive ghost in a battlefield or being alone / always with the same old friends.

 

But most of all, i'm so f*cking tired of all these bullies bragging about their KD ratio... and i would be happy af to see them in lobbies with no passive mode and where everyone plays the same way.

[Stealthflight]

@Fearx, you stop. Rockstar implements passive mode to please players and its still not good enough. Main subject in bitch and moan thread is about players going into passive and so called "abusing it" damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

Im fine playing with others, I also mix my free mode, auto aim skills. Everythings a go with me. I personaly don't like jets, but if theres a jet griefer I change sessions.

 

I guarantee that when Rockstar implements some special lobby, feature for casual players, its going to be the subject of more complaints, Watch and see.

[Arrows to Athens]

Passive mode is bad. Friendly lobby is good.

[Stealthflight]

@Bicenz, we already have a thing where killers congregate in freeroam, It will be a orgy of 5 plus red dots all going at it, killing eachother endlessly, If you don't like it, stay away.

[Stealthflight]

Passive mode is perfect, When I want to shop for outfit and I don't want to be blown up when I exit, I go into passive. When I sell a car and drive to my various garages when I don't want to be shot thru my windshield,, I go into passive, When I want to take photographs and have to look for something nice without having a grenade thrown at me, Its passive. When Im on the hunt for a specific lowrider car like the voodoo and I don't want to be missiled, I go into passive

 

Yes, there are times I don't want to be messed with either. and I want to cruise with a friend, we go into passive and cruise and listen to tunes.

[Quarthon]

After reading this thread I've come to the conclusion there are a lot of assholes here. There's no reason we can't have friendly lobbies. Any and all of the "reasons" against them listed in this thread are nonsense. For those who say "just go passive" or just do this or just do that sound like total dickheads. World of Warcraft is a much much bigger and more complex game and they have PvP as well as PvE servers, both of which work great.

 

Im all for friendly lobbies AND PvP lobbies. Some nights I just want to chill and not go passive or have to watch the map for red dots. Some nights I want to kill everything that moves. There should be a choice, and to say there shouldn't, is really closed minded.

[Arrows to Athens]

After reading this thread I've come to the conclusion there are a lot of assholes here. There's no reason we can't have friendly lobbies. Any and all of the "reasons" against them listed in this thread are nonsense. For those who say "just go passive" or just do this or just do that sound like total dickheads. World of Warcraft is a much much bigger and more complex game and they have PvP as well as PvE servers, both of which work great.

 

Im all for friendly lobbies AND PvP lobbies. Some nights I just want to chill and not go passive or have to watch the map for red dots. Some nights I want to kill everything that moves. There should be a choice, and to say there shouldn't, is really closed minded.

I'm not into cop cars at all, but I support the idea of being able to store and/or customize them because why not? It's not like I'm gonna flame on the idea and forbid its addition to the game just because I don't like it or have no interest in it.

 

Rockstar released the Lowrider DLC to cater to those who have in interest in lowriders, so I don't really see why they would refuse to cater to those who want more diversity with the use of lobby option/filters.

Edited November 23, 2015 by Fearx--

[Stealthflight]

@Quarthon, I am able to defend myself in a lobby without being categorized into one type of lobby only. Sometimes Im in a mood that's in between and Im forced to choose between friendly and killer., When Im in a lobby, you think I want a PVP deathmatch, Rambo, Call of duty during the whole session? Why do you think you know what I want? and that I should be forced to choose either or. GTA is not WOW. Its fine as it is IMO and Im here to offer my opinion to save a game that's just fine the way it is. Theres no way I want to be forced into a PVP, theres no way adrenaline lasts that long. So you cater to black and white, how do you cater now to players that are in the grey? Someone that wants to go cruising and who wouldn't mind popping another player or two along the way. Were not all in a two hour Rambo mood.

Edited November 23, 2015 by Stealthflight

[jollythecat]

OMG!!

 

Saying that players that prefer passive mode is not good at the game must be the dumbest most ignorant reply I have ever heard.

 

Ok, to the people that say passive players are bad at the game, let's do some missions and heists.

yeah come on I dare you to see who is bad at the game, please take me up on my offer, I cant wait to see you die in a mission/heist and rage quit. lol

[Stealthflight]

@Fearx, Im chiming in cause youre all for separating players in a game that's already server challenged. I have a tough time getting a lobby of 15 plus players. You want to separate, I want to keep together. The passive mode already creating this alienation in lobbies and Ill use it but only temporarily for my reasons above, and now you all want to further it, Ive said my piece and Im done.

 

Im a passive mode player when I have to be, and Im rank 280, Im also a high K/d and yes, Ive finished all the heists multiple times, I play missions solo. Sometimes when Im in a battle and Im done and want to exit the battle I will go into passive, doesn't mean Im a bad player in the least, but it means I need a bathroom break or snack, so don't judge.

Edited November 23, 2015 by Stealthflight

[Arrows to Athens]

@Fearx, Im chiming in cause youre all for separating players in a game that's already server challenged. I have a tough time getting a lobby of 15 plus players. You want to separate, I want to keep together. The passive mode already creating this alienation in lobbies and now you all want to further it, Ive said my piece and Im done.

I get into full lobbies all the time, and I'm on LG (unless LG has more players). The bad sport system shouldn't even be in the game, and the aim assist aim setting is useless since you already have traditional GTA and free aim to begin with. Rockstar are clearly trying to separate the player base already with their useless crap, so they should take action and remove them from the game all together. Instead, they should implement something that is actually game changing and will bring more diversity to the game, which in this case is friendly lobbies. You don't want to play in them? Play in regular lobbies then. That's why it's an OPTION.

Edited November 23, 2015 by Fearx--

[bicenz]

@Bicenz, we already have a thing where killers congregate in freeroam, It will be a orgy of 5 plus red dots all going at it, killing eachother endlessly, If you don't like it, stay away.

 

I'm not sure i understood which kind of thing you're talking about, but red dots aren't the only "danger". My red dot, as everyone's else i guess, turns to white just when i do in and out a couple of times. I kill everyone, i get red dot, then i'm kicked from the servers 2-3 times and i'm white dot again. But i'm still the same pain in the ass that i was when i was red And again, passive mode is not a solution: you can't do anything. You can't rob liquor stores, you can't do gang attacks, you can't even hold your guns to take a pic at them.

 

Instead, i dream of a lobby where you CAN'T go passive. You stay here and fight or you leave and go to the friendly one if you just want to chill. I don't want to stay only and forever with my friends i play with since LG, i would like to enter a lobby where i can meet new people and i know for sure that they are there to chill as i do. I repeat, i can't see any reason for a "hard fighter" to disapprove this solution, unless they want to get easy kills searching for "sims-like" players.

 

I hate when someone comes over honking his cucarachas while i'm fighting, this would not happen in a real hardcore session. And i also hate passive ghosts that stand nearby in passive mode, you can't concentrate on the real fight because you have to watch out from that parasite that's not making any "strategy" but only being a subtle scrub. GTAO would be much better FOR EVERYONE if we can decide, without any doubt, if going in a war lobby or to choose to go in a peaceful one. For everyone except those "i got a 10.00 KD cause i'm always in passive mode except when i shoot people at the barber shop trolololol"

Edited November 23, 2015 by bicenz

[Quarthon]

@Quarthon, I am able to defend myself in a lobby without being categorized into one type of lobby only. Sometimes Im in a mood that's in between and Im forced to choose between friendly and killer., When Im in a lobby, you think I want a PVP deathmatch, Rambo, Call of duty during the whole session? Why do you think you know what I want? and that I should be forced to choose either or. GTA is not WOW. Its fine as it is IMO and Im here to offer my opinion to save a game that's just fine the way it is. Theres no way I want to be forced into a PVP, theres no way adrenaline lasts that long. So you cater to black and white, how do you cater now to players that are in the grey? Someone that wants to go cruising and who wouldn't mind popping another player or two along the way. Were not all in a two hour Rambo mood.

Currently you're forced to join only a PvP lobby, but you say that having a second choice is wrong? As I said before, all the arguments against friendly lobbies are complete nonsense. I don't claim to know "what you want", but from what you describe in your post, you are in the grey area. So that gives you the options you seem to want. I dont think I totally understand your argument.

[Stealthflight]

@Bicenze, ok, maybe lets clarify, Im neither, Im not a death match warrior, nor am I a SIMS player, so what do you propose for me? You want to take away what works just fine for me and my many moods, contexts, situations which vary.

 

I don't like being forced into one category, which is the proposition here.

[Arrows to Athens]

@Bicenze, ok, maybe lets clarify, Im neither, Im not a death match warrior, nor am I a SIMS player, so what do you propose for me? You want to take away what works just fine for me and my many moods, contexts, situations which vary.

 

I don't like being forced into one category, which is the proposition here.

Wait, so you'll rather have a temporary invincibility ghost mode in lobbies where friendly fire is on by default, rather than have lobbies where friendly fire is off for those who don't want to kill? Because if that's what you want, then you're really hurting my brain right now.

Edited November 23, 2015 by Fearx--

[Stealthflight]

@Quarthon, no, currently its not a PVP lobby. Its full of passive dots, red dots and white dots who are getting haircuts or searching for pics or stunt jumps or pink dots which are in between, Some white dots do their thing and get in a few kills here and there either in annoyance or self defence. its just a lobby full of every gamer style, which you all want to be done away with.

[Quarthon]

@Quarthon, no, currently its not a PVP lobby. Its full of passive dots, red dots and white dots who are getting haircuts or searching for pics or stunt jumps or pink dots which are in between, Some white dots do their thing and get in a few kills here and there either in annoyance or self defence. its just a lobby full of every gamer style, which you all want to be done away with.

Actually I meant they should keep the PvP lobby as it is now, with passive mode as an option. But in PvE servers you wouldnt need passive mode. This way players in the PvP servers could stay in the grey area if they want. Best of both worlds.

[bicenz]

@Bicenze, ok, maybe lets clarify, Im neither, Im not a death match warrior, nor am I a SIMS player, so what do you propose for me? You want to take away what works just fine for me and my many moods, contexts, situations which vary.

 

I don't like being forced into one category, which is the proposition here.

 

You simply keep on playing as you do. Offering players a friendly lobby doesn't mean that the regular one becomes a total war more than what it already is. I actually do my things in public lobbies and don't need to go passive just to change my clothes. You said "you have to be on your toes in this game, just like real life" well it's exactly what i do when i go in a binco or bob mulet: arrow down, quickly check the map --> no one around, ok i go in cause no one can come near in 1 minute and kill me while i'm changing my haircut. If i plan to spend a lot of time in there, as when new clothes are released with DLCs, i just choose a private lobby.

 

Why the hell people who want to play friendly are always told that they have to be alone in private lobbies, and you can't do it because you want to fight but also be safe doing your things? You just need to be a little careful on what's happening in the 200mts around you

Edited November 23, 2015 by bicenz

[CrazyFerret]

Friendly: cannot harm other players.

Non friendly: can harm other players.

 

this removes the need for passive mode and the opportunity to abuse that feature with it.

 

passive mode is a great feature for griefers to use. Finally crash your jet? No worry, just enable passive and go get another one. Rinse and repeat.

 

 

 

Except that Passive Mode does not work anymore in the new world of GTA cheaters and hackers...

 

In fact since there is one in at least every session now, then I would say that Passive Mode is fairly useless now.

 

They can kill you now with their explosions, burn you to death with fire, and trigger your wanted levels to make the police go after you who CAN shoot AND kill you while you're in passive mode; I've seen it happen to another player and had it happen to me... we were Passive and yet the police would not stop chasing us and neither of us had any wanted stars but the police were all over us like we had a 4 star wanted level, and they were able to shoot us despite our passive mode being enabled.

[bicenz]

 

Friendly: cannot harm other players.

Non friendly: can harm other players.

 

this removes the need for passive mode and the opportunity to abuse that feature with it.

 

passive mode is a great feature for griefers to use. Finally crash your jet? No worry, just enable passive and go get another one. Rinse and repeat.

 

 

 

Except that Passive Mode does not work anymore in the new world of GTA cheaters and hackers...

 

In fact since there is one in at least every session now, then I would say that Passive Mode is fairly useless now.

 

They can kill you now with their explosions, burn you to death with fire, and trigger your wanted levels to make the police go after you who CAN shoot AND kill you while you're in passive mode; I've seen it happen to another player and had it happen to me... we were Passive and yet the police would not stop chasing us and neither of us had any wanted stars but the police were all over us like we had a 4 star wanted level, and they were able to shoot us despite our passive mode being enabled.

 

 

The fact that police can chase you and kill you even if you're in passive mode is normal, in fact if you kill NPCs with your car or enter forbidden zones as Fort Zancudo, you get a wanted level and get killed by police even if you're in passive mode. But you made a good point, GTAO on PC and LG is full of cheaters so a friendly lobby would be GOLD. If you manage to kill another player in a friend lobby, it's clear as the sun that you're using some cheats so it would be easier to other players to kick out that asshole from the lobby and Rockstar would easily ban him because they have an undoubtable evidence

[Arrows to Athens]

 

 

Friendly: cannot harm other players.

Non friendly: can harm other players.

 

this removes the need for passive mode and the opportunity to abuse that feature with it.

 

passive mode is a great feature for griefers to use. Finally crash your jet? No worry, just enable passive and go get another one. Rinse and repeat.

 

 

 

Except that Passive Mode does not work anymore in the new world of GTA cheaters and hackers...

 

In fact since there is one in at least every session now, then I would say that Passive Mode is fairly useless now.

 

They can kill you now with their explosions, burn you to death with fire, and trigger your wanted levels to make the police go after you who CAN shoot AND kill you while you're in passive mode; I've seen it happen to another player and had it happen to me... we were Passive and yet the police would not stop chasing us and neither of us had any wanted stars but the police were all over us like we had a 4 star wanted level, and they were able to shoot us despite our passive mode being enabled.

 

 

The fact that police can chase you and kill you even if you're in passive mode is normal, in fact if you kill NPCs with your car or enter forbidden zones as Fort Zancudo, you get a wanted level and get killed by police even if you're in passive mode. But you made a good point, GTAO on PC and LG is full of cheaters so a friendly lobby would be GOLD. If you manage to kill another player in a friend lobby, it's clear as the sun that you're using some cheats so it would be easier to other players to kick out that asshole from the lobby and Rockstar would easily ban him because they have an undoubtable evidence

 

Yeah, considering that passive mode doesn't even f*cking work on LG.

[shadowoperative]

Why can't you go passive when getting owned...too much pride?

[Shootinalloveryourface]

I was just playing pac heist with a friend (was a random) who I only do pac with, and he's telling me "all I do is run pac heist, get my jet kill everyone until I'm broke and repeat" lmao

[Arrows to Athens]

Why can't you go passive when getting owned...too much pride?

It's not about getting owned, video game warrior.

[shadowoperative]

 

Why can't you go passive when getting owned...too much pride?

It's not about getting owned, video game warrior.

Ok. Now answer the question.