The Vehicle Wishlist and Speculation Topic

[MekhiSkyline]

I would definitely love to see a 1969 and a 1972 Ford Torino to be in the game!

Edited January 31, 2020 by Michael Patton

[Mami_Entod]

22 hours ago, Z_E_B_R_A_3 said:

So ... Page 350 ...

 

Let's just take a moment to think about Mach1bud who's Mustang is still awaited ...

 

 

A f*cking shame ...

Yes! Fuxk yes pleasee!

Also some classy muscle like this corvair, pleasssseee bausss, i habe a cancer, pls 

Edited February 1, 2020 by Mami_Entod

[Z_E_B_R_A_3]

f*ck it.

 

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New modifications for the Ellie : spoilers, bumpers (actual bumpers, not splitters) headlights, rear lights, grill (with different light setups)

 

 

 

 

 

 

     

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(Down there is a Mustang moded Ellie)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dominator Classic. Phoenix / Vigero engine sounds are good. Or why not Z Type !

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Mah boah ! With the Fränken Stange engine sound.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wish we could recreate this picture ...

 

 

 

 

 

I'll never get tired of posting these 

 

And also ...

 

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Is it that hard to patch the Tulip and Vamos handling ? I don't think so ...

Edited February 1, 2020 by Z_E_B_R_A_3

[Mami_Entod]

Some contemporary classic wouldn't be wrong right?

Ferrari 480 RM

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Consulier GTP

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Venturi 400GT

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Dauer 962

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Nissan Skyline 2000RS (Karin Futo need some friends :p)

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Honda Mugen Accord 80s

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Porsche 928 GTS

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Aston Martin DB7

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Nissan 180sx type X

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Toyota Mark II JZX90

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Jaguar XKR

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Mercedes Benz CLK GTR 

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Porsche 996

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Porsche 356

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Porsche 911 Bertone

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Porsche 550

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Plymouth Barracuda Formula S

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Ford King Cobra

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Chevrolet CERV II

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Chevrolet Astro II

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Still Waiting

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Edited February 1, 2020 by Mami_Entod

[helios.axitro]

I'd go for some abstract, outlandish cars to be honest.

 

Vector W8 (and also the W2)

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Holy fricking crap, these two are crazy.

And I LOVE them.

 

Dome Zero

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It's a Countach, a Vector and a cheese wedge all rolled into one. And it's Japanese.

 

Lancia Stratos HF Zero

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Uncoincidentally named after the previous car, this is a Lancia. And named a f###ing Stratos. 

And it's amazing.

 

Ferrari 512S Modulo

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Oh boy, we're REALLY getting into the wilder cars here.

 

Maserati Boomerang

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Yeah, it's called Boomerang, and shaped like one. If boomerangs were as sharp as knives.

 

[Mami_Entod]

16 minutes ago, HeliosAxitro said:

I'd go for some abstract, outlandish cars to be honest.

 

Vector W8 (and also the W2)

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Holy fricking crap, these two are crazy.

And I LOVE them.

 

Dome Zero

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It's a Countach, a Vector and a cheese wedge all rolled into one. And it's Japanese.

 

Lancia Stratos HF Zero

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Uncoincidentally named after the previous car, this is a Lancia. And named a f###ing Stratos. 

And it's amazing.

 

Ferrari 512S Modulo

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Oh boy, we're REALLY getting into the wilder cars here.

 

Maserati Boomerang

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Yeah, it's called Boomerang, and shaped like one. If boomerangs were as sharp as knives.

 

Ah i see you like some out of the box concepts, try some of these you might like it

Chrysler cordoba de oro, OSI silver fox, Toyota EX7, Ferrari 512s Speciale, Alfa romeo p33 roadster, Lamborghini Bravo, Bizzarini manta, Toyota RV2, Mercedes SLX concept, Mercedes c111-3 those are some cool retro concept cars man, could be your kind of taste

Edited February 1, 2020 by Mami_Entod

[MekhiSkyline]

If R* adds in more mustangs and some gran torinos, they should do it by the MK generations

 

Ex. Vapid Dominator MK1 (1964-1966 Mustang)

   

      Vapid Dominator MK2 (1967-1968 Ford Mustang)

 

       Vapid Dominator MK3 (1969-1970 Ford Mustang)

 

 etc.....

 

Add they also should add some Shelby variants!

       

However, this is the only way if we want to see our favorite mustangs and gran torinos in the game.

Edited February 1, 2020 by Michael Patton

[MotantanTrantantan]

Ahem.

Due to the absence of Willy A. Stealy Wheely Automobiley I shall temporarily take his/her burden of making big themed posts with lots of words.
All Willy A. Jeep mentioning is permitted by the copyright law of America, UN, Geneva Convention and Ancient Byzantine Scripts.

 

Since Rockstar presented us with two wonderful open wheelers lots of requests popped up with demands to add more. I support them, but I must say, there is an absence of demand of one vertain sort of open wheelers. I'm talking about European Bolide Cars of 1920s-1930s-1940s. A class of cars I find really nice, but really absent in games due to how unfitting they are.
I know that requesting them is not going to end up with a success since you don't see any bolides in LA, but hey, neither did I see any flying bikes in LA. Maybe there are, I haven't seen LA. I never been to America. I'm stuck in Siberia. Somebody please send help this is not a joke.
Anyway, the argument of "it's not fitting the era" is now useless and doesn't work, so I'm gonna demand some anyway.

And I'm gonna start with Italians.

Let's go

Alfa-Romeo 12C-36 and 12C-37

 

The Italian 12 Cylinder victor of 8 Grand Prix races in 1936 and 1937 in total. While 12C-36 had a successful start, the only four models of 12C-37 could not boast of such fame due to poor handling.

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Alfa-Romeo Tipo P2

The monster of 1924, winning 14 consecutive races, including major Grand Prix and Traga Florio. Top speed of 195 km/h with it's 8 cylinders, not bad for 1924, huh?

 

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Alfa-Romeo 8C 2900A

WELL, not really an open wheeler in a full sense of the word, but that still counts, okay? Taking top 3 winning places in 1936 and two top ones under 1937 is quite an impressive result anyway.

 

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Alfa-Romeo 308

This one was engineered under the comand of Enzo Ferrari himself, taking the engine of 8C and the chassis of modified 12C-36. Despite poor start of failing to finish first and fatally crashing with one drivers, the car later managed to gain fame back in hillclimb races, as well as some other European and Argentinian races in 1940s. Even took part in Indianapolis, albeit without making it to Top 3 or Top 5.

 

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Alfa-Romeo 512

Despite good looks the car never seen any races. The poor handling and the death of test driver kept it from it. But hey, you can repawn in GTA, so should not b much problem here anyway.

 

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Maserati Tipo 26

The car that started it all. It laid way to Maserati's racing history by taking 9th overall and 1st Grand Prix place in 1926 Targa Florio.

 

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Maserati 6CM

The car that was born for success with the purpose of standing against Germany's best of Daimler-Benz and Auto-Union. Had a successfull racing carrer from 1936 to 1939.

 

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Maserati V8RI 

Despite all the innovations and an amazing maximum speed of 270 km/h in 1930s it only held one victory in 1936 and died out without exploiting it's potential. It, however, served to create the 6CM by gifting it it's suspension.

 

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Maserati 8CTF

The car that had great everything, except reliability. In it's triumphal race managed to chase the Mercedes champion for several laps, until gearbox finally gave in. Despite failure on European front the car had surprisingly good run in Indianapolis, driven by Wilbur Shaw who fell in love with the car rightaway. Taking first places in 1949 and 1950, the car finally collapsed in 1951 Indianapolis when the wheel flew off. Despite that Shaw remained pleased, claiming that his previous victories proved his point about the car.

 

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Now I do understand that demanding something like that is stupid and I should mail Forza developers for stuff like this and I apologize to the guy above who is really tired of quirky stuff but hey. When the Oppressor came out, Rockstar gave up on any mercy.

[Z_E_B_R_A_3]

@MotantanTrantantan

 

And why not a new class ?

 

Classic Open Wheel

[SuicideRider]

9 hours ago, Z_E_B_R_A_3 said:

f*ck it.

 

1

New modifications for the Ellie : spoilers, bumpers (actual bumpers, not splitters) headlights, rear lights, grill (with different light setups)

 

 

 

 

 

 

     

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(Down there is a Mustang moded Ellie)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2

Dominator Classic. Phoenix / Vigero engine sounds are good. Or why not Z Type !

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3

Mah boah ! With the Fränken Stange engine sound.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wish we could recreate this picture ...

 

 

 

 

 

I'll never get tired of posting these 

 

And also ...

 

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Is it that hard to patch the Tulip and Vamos handling ? I don't think so ...

Yes to all.  Especially  the handling issues.

 

[MekhiSkyline]

Customization wishlist:

 

New rims 

 

Spacers

 

Different sizes & widths of tires

 

My personal car wishlist:

 

 2007 Buick Lucerne 

 

 2008 Hummer H3

 

 2009 Hummer H3T

 

 1996 Chevy Impala SS

 

 2006 Chevy Impala SS

 

 1992 Bentley Turbo R

 

 2002 Bentley Arnage T

 

 1992 Mercedes Benz S-Class W140 (& Coupe Version)

 

 2019 Mercedes Benz S-Class (Sedan & Coupe)

 

 2001 Volvo S80 

 

 2020 Volvo S90

 

 2020 Volvo S60 

 

 2020 Polestar 1

 

 2003 Gmc Yukon

 

 1999 GMC Yukon

 

 1992 Mazda 929

 

 2019 Genesis G70

 

 2009 Pontiac G8

 

 2020 Dodge Charger Hellcat Widebody

 

 2015 Chrysler 300

Edited February 1, 2020 by Michael Patton

[CrysisAverted]

[Z_E_B_R_A_3]

 

Woops !

 

It just slipped of my tongue 

Edited February 3, 2020 by Z_E_B_R_A_3

[MekhiSkyline]

Vapid Tourer Sport (Ford Contour SVT)

 

Vapid Capraia (Ford Capri)

 

Vapid ??? (Ford Tempo)

 

Vapid Mundano (Ford Mondeo)

 

Bollokan Satora (Hyundai Sonata)

 

Dundreary Lopez (Mercury Topaz)

 

Annis Prism GT (Mazda 323 GTX)

 

Annis Prism (Mazda Protege)

[Z_E_B_R_A_3]

Manufacturer : Declasse

Model : Moneghetti (Monte Carlo being a district of Monaco, i thought i'd simply use another one.)

Price : 800 000 $

Engine sound : Sabre Turbo / Gauntlet

Performances : Similar but a bit slower than the Sabre Turbo

 

With a vinyle roof as option that'd be really nice.

And here's a livery for all you Fast and Furious fans ...

 

 

Manufacturer : Declasse

Model : Crocus (Simply take a Tulip, make it two door, shorten the wheelbase a bit, give it double headlights, better performances and no haunted steering)

Price : 900 000 $

Engine sound : Beefed up Phoenix / Ruiner

Performances : Same as the Tulip but bit lighter.

 

Who would say no to this seriously ?

 

 

Manufacturer : Declasse

Model : Crocus Classic

Price : 700 000 $

Engine sound : Sabre Turbo / Gauntlet

Performances : Similar to the Gauntlet Classic

 

 

 

Manufacturer : Declasse or Vapid

Model : Hellraiser

Price : 1 000 000 $

Engine sound : Lower pitched Fränken Stange (Why no car has reused it sound already ???)

Performances : Beefed up Hustler

 

With Arena War nitrous it'd be pretty cool ...

 

 

 

Manufacturer : Enus or Truffade

Model : Lincoln

Price : 980 000 $

Engine sound : Tornado

Performances : Similar to the Virgo

 

 

 

Manufacturer : Declasse

Model : Impaler Four door (or Impaler Sedan ? Who cares really ? Just gimme.)

Price : Whatever, i'll buy it.

Engine sound : Impaler

Performances : Same as the Impaler but bit heavier.

 

 

 

Manufacturer : Willard

Model : Traveler

Price : 670 000 $

Engine sound : Lower pitched Impaler

Performances : Similar to the Tornado

 

 

 

Manufacturer : Bravado

Model : Wrath

Price : 666 666 $

Engine sound : Sabre Turbo / Gauntlet or Z Type ?

Performances : Like a raging Tornado on steroids and cocaine.

 

Been a long time somebody mentioned this girl ... Wouldn't that'd be perfect for Halloween ?

 

Edited February 3, 2020 by Z_E_B_R_A_3

[Standard Deluxe 59]

43 minutes ago, Z_E_B_R_A_3 said:

Manufacturer : Willard

Model : Traveler

Price : 670 000 $

Engine sound : Lower pitched Impaler

Performances : Similar to the Tornado

 

I think this would make better sense to brand this as a Schyster since that's the Chrysler parody. 

[Z_E_B_R_A_3]

          ^

 

Yeah you're right ... I wish there would be more brands around.

[Nefarious_Poundcake]

56 minutes ago, Z_E_B_R_A_3 said:

Manufacturer : Declasse

Model : Moneghetti (Monte Carlo being a district of Monaco, i thought i'd simply use another one.)

Price : 800 000 $

Engine sound : Sabre Turbo / Gauntlet

Performances : Similar but a bit slower than the Sabre Turbo

 

With a vinyle roof as option that'd be really nice.

And here's a livery for all you Fast and Furious fans ...

I’d pay triple that price just for the sh*t box Monte Carlo livery alone.... I’m not even kidding.... 

[Vallence]

On 1/26/2020 at 3:28 AM, Z_E_B_R_A_3 said:

 

Manufacturer : ?

Model : Brute (or Brutal ?)

Price : 800 000 $

Engine sound : I don't know ... But make it frightening ...

Performances : Similar to the Fränken Stange i guess ?

 

 

 

I think Ubermacht for the manufacturer, since Brutus' engine is a BMW-built bomber engine.

There was a very good shot of her spewing flame on an episode of Top Gear.

[Mami_Entod]

4 hours ago, Z_E_B_R_A_3 said:

Manufacturer : Declasse

Model : Moneghetti (Monte Carlo being a district of Monaco, i thought i'd simply use another one.)

Price : 800 000 $

Engine sound : Sabre Turbo / Gauntlet

Performances : Similar but a bit slower than the Sabre Turbo

 

With a vinyle roof as option that'd be really nice.

And here's a livery for all you Fast and Furious fans ...

 

 

Manufacturer : Declasse

Model : Crocus (Simply take a Tulip, make it two door, shorten the wheelbase a bit, give it double headlights, better performances and no haunted steering)

Price : 900 000 $

Engine sound : Beefed up Phoenix / Ruiner

Performances : Same as the Tulip but bit lighter.

 

Who would say no to this seriously ?

 

 

Manufacturer : Declasse

Model : Crocus Classic

Price : 700 000 $

Engine sound : Sabre Turbo / Gauntlet

Performances : Similar to the Gauntlet Classic

 

 

 

Manufacturer : Declasse or Vapid

Model : Hellraiser

Price : 1 000 000 $

Engine sound : Lower pitched Fränken Stange (Why no car has reused it sound already ???)

Performances : Beefed up Hustler

 

With Arena War nitrous it'd be pretty cool ...

 

 

 

Manufacturer : Enus or Truffade

Model : Lincoln

Price : 980 000 $

Engine sound : Tornado

Performances : Similar to the Virgo

 

 

 

Manufacturer : Declasse

Model : Impaler Four door (or Impaler Sedan ? Who cares really ? Just gimme.)

Price : Whatever, i'll buy it.

Engine sound : Impaler

Performances : Same as the Impaler but bit heavier.

 

 

 

Manufacturer : Willard

Model : Traveler

Price : 670 000 $

Engine sound : Lower pitched Impaler

Performances : Similar to the Tornado

 

 

 

Manufacturer : Bravado

Model : Wrath

Price : 666 666 $

Engine sound : Sabre Turbo / Gauntlet or Z Type ?

Performances : Like a raging Tornado on steroids and cocaine.

 

Been a long time somebody mentioned this girl ... Wouldn't that'd be perfect for Halloween ?

 

Dat monte carlo, muy bien delicioso 

Edited February 4, 2020 by Mami_Entod

[helios.axitro]

6 hours ago, Z_E_B_R_A_3 said:

Manufacturer : Declasse

Model : Moneghetti (Monte Carlo being a district of Monaco, i thought i'd simply use another one.)

Price : 800 000 $

Engine sound : Sabre Turbo / Gauntlet

Performances : Similar but a bit slower than the Sabre Turbo

 

With a vinyle roof as option that'd be really nice.

In my opinion, Declasse Larvotto sounds better, it's also a Monaco district.

6 hours ago, Z_E_B_R_A_3 said:

Manufacturer : Willard

Model : Traveler

Price : 670 000 $

Engine sound : Lower pitched Impaler

Performances : Similar to the Tornado

 

 

Hmmm.

Now that you'd mention it, some DeSotos would be nice to have in GTA...

 

Schyster Ambassador - DeSoto Diplomat

(any model year would work honestly)

 

Schyster Brimstone - DeSoto Firedome

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Yeah, this is trash.

 

@Willy A. Jeep is now screaming in joy.

 

 

And back to my personal suggestions: how 'bout some more Dutch cars? I mean, we already have Vysser, and I don't think that should be restricted to just supercars. 

 

Vysser Mathis - DAF Daffodil

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Pretty decent compact, actually. At the same time, this car was the first to have a CVT transmission.

Yes, the Dutch were the first to have that.

 

Vysser Jansen - DAF 66

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Yes, that right there is a Dutch rally car.

 

Vysser Bosscher - Tjorven/DAF Kalmar

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Some Dutch cars are just so quirky..

 

Vysser Zinger - Donkervoort D8 GTO

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And this one is just wild.

 

Vysser Vandekamp - Desande Roadster

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And this one is just simply the coolest out of them all. A Dutch-British roadster? Count me in. If we can't have a Duesenberg, we MUST have this.

 

Edited February 4, 2020 by HeliosAxitro

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

Maxwell/Ocelot Viceroy

 

Class: Sports/Sedans

Price: $480,000

Performance: Sentinel Classic tier

Features: Rear wheel drive, Sentinel Classic interior

 

 

 

Source for the images

Edited February 4, 2020 by YELLOW ZOOMER WITH DRONE
Apologies in advance to Z_E_B_R_A_3 for ripping off his posting format

[Mami_Entod]

5 minutes ago, YELLOW ZOOMER WITH DRONE said:

Maxwell/Ocelot Viceroy

 

Class: Sports/Sedans

Price: $480,000

Performance: Sentinel Classic tier

Features: Rear wheel drive, Sentinel Classic interior

 

 

 

Source for the images

Always love the carlton man, the legend of plate number 40 RA, it has to be faster than the turismo classic or elegy retro custom 

Edited February 4, 2020 by Mami_Entod

[Scottiedog123]

$480k... That would be nice.

I'd happily pay $1.48M  or more.

 

[MotantanTrantantan]

5 hours ago, Scottiedog123 said:

$480k... That would be nice.

I'd happily pay $1.48M  or more.

 

What did you say? 2.48M? Rockstar heard ya! 3.48M it is! Enter the game soon and the car is here, for 5.48M just like you asked! So prepare your 6.48M and buy it!

Edited February 4, 2020 by MotantanTrantantan

[MekhiSkyline]

I want to see more Subarus in the game, especially more imprezas, legacies, BRZ, etc...

 

And some evos as well, but under the Maibatsu brand.

[Z_E_B_R_A_3]

Manufacturer : Imponte

Model : Remington

Price : 580 000 $

Engine sound : Beefed up Buccaneer

Performances : Similar to the Buccaneer but a bit heavier.

 

 

 

Manufacturer : Declasse

Model : Tahoma

Price : 500 000 $

Engine sound : Buccaneer / Stallion

Performances : Similar to the Nightshade

 

 

 

Manufacturer : Vapid

Model : Broadway

Price : 700 000 $

Engine sound : Nightshade

Performances : Similar to the Tornado.

 

With many roof options that'd be nice ...

 

With the front of a second generation Cadillac Series 62

 

 

 

Manufacturer : Vapid

Model : Hotknife Classic

Price : 650 000 $

Engine sound : Rat Truck / Virgo

Performances : basically a slower Hustler.

 

Of course the design would have to be twicked a bit to be less boxy.

 

It could take some inspirations from these Hot Rod Model T ...

 

 

With a remove roof option. Now that would be pretty cool !

 

 

 

Manufacturer : Albany

Model : Esperanto

Price : 450 000 $

Engine sound : Mix between the Buccaneer and Glendale / Baller

Performances : Similar to the Tornado or Voodoo.

 

 

"Hey Niko. It's your cousin ! Let's go bowling."

 

 

It must have a "Roman's Taxi" livery.

Edited February 4, 2020 by Z_E_B_R_A_3

[Willy A. Jeep]

After an unfortunate incident involving a large automobile, most of my bones, and a brief trip to the afterlife (your great-great-great grandparents said to say hi), I'm finally back from the cloning vats and ready to continue my crusade here in the never-ending wishlist of strange and obscure vehicles! Hope you folks will have me. Truthfully, my lovely laptop of five years finally gave up the ghost back in mid-January, and I've had my hands full getting set up with this new computer, but I'm here now, so let's get to the cars! And you know what the most exciting, interesting cars I can think of for my triumphant return are? That's right, station wagons! What's a station wagon? Well... I'll just show you. Two Fords, an Oldsmobile, a Chrysler, and a Citroën. Let's get to it, and it's good to be back!

 

1980s Ford Country Squire

Despite being the downsized last-of-the-line Country Squire, these 1980s models are still massive compared to many modern sedans. The advent of the minivan and popularization of the SUV led to the end of the wagon's reign, but I still love them.

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You know, once upon a time, I didn't care for these 80s boxes, but now... Mmm...

 

First generation Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser

Now here's a real American land yacht. Big, ugly, and unforgiving, I must respect the Custom Cruiser for its sheer presence, and fear it for how much it widens the hole in the ozone every time you put your foot down. I can taste the fumes.

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Apologies for these images. This is literally all Wikimedia Commons has for this generation of Custom Cruiser.

 

Sixth generation Chrysler Town & Country

Far from my favorite era of Chrysler and, indeed, long since divorced from the identity of the classic post-war Town & Country, I still have to share this monstrosity because I see one rather often and I always find myself staring. It's not a crush, shut up!

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That much backside could make a weaker person swoon.

 

Citroën CX Estate

Or is it a "break"? I don't know, but I do know that I dig this wildly futurist French wagon. Naturally, I adore the pre-Peugeot partnership Citroën models more, but the CX gets a pass for its obvious heritage. Also it was available as a station wagon! Cool!

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Like a station wagon from a 1980s alternate future that we never got to live. Atleast we got a glimpse.

 

1950 Ford Country Squire

And returning to the venerable Country Squire, from the end of its life to the very beginning. Listen, we've got the Clique, and we've got the Fagaloa. Neither is exactly what I want, and as much as I like them both, there's nothing that can match a real woodie.

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I appreciate the pondering of my absence by some of you folks, though I don't feel like I'm particularly deserving of such attention. You all have much more important things to say and share than wasting your words on concern for me!

 

[Mami_Entod]

12 hours ago, Michael Patton said:

I want to see more Subarus in the game, especially more imprezas, legacies, BRZ, etc...

 

And some evos as well, but under the Maibatsu brand.

Legacy? Say no more fam, i'm in 

[SabreCat392]

I hope they make a Bravado Buffalo Classic and Bravado Buffalo Hellfire

 

Bravado Buffalo Classic based on a 1970 Dodge Charger R/T

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Bravado Buffalo Hellfire based on 2020 Dodge Charger Hellcat Widebody

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What do you guys think?