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Guru Fijis

Johnny K's downfall real or important? [Spoilers]

Johnny's death: Happy or not?  

116 members have voted

  1. 1. Are you glad that Johnny is dead in gta 5?

    • yes
      30
    • no
      88


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Lester-The-Molester

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry but I don't care. Killing Trevor gave me the greatest satisfaction in the game - what part of that do you not understand ?

Oh I understand it, all I'm saying is that I didn't get any satisfaction... I'm happy for you though :).

 

That said there are benefits to keeping him alive. You can prolong his suffering... golf balls in the face, making him run round in circles in tear gas, run him over repeatedly, jump out of helicopters with him still inside. Hang out with him normally, then blow his head off as soon as he says something utterly toxic without failing the 'mission'. Which sometimes, the urge was just too strong and I did it anyway.

 

Maybe I should make a Rockstar Editor video on this now that I finally got my Xbox One back from 'repairs'. Though I've got other ideas :|.

I hear that, but I just want him "really" dead. I can do all that stuff you mentioned and he will still come back alive. I prefer his death confirmed. I dont ever play as him outside of the storyline do I don't need to have him around.
I have to ask, why do you guys HATE T so much? Is it because e killed Johnny?

Because I think T is one of the honest characktars out there and he isn't a hypocrite he says the things how they are he doesn't hide behind social standards

Nope, that's not the reason for me. I don't even care that much that Johnny died to be honest, he was never a favourite character of mine, and I preferred TBOGT over TLAD. Having said that, I still thought it was a silly idea for the story and even then, it was a terribly played out scene.

I hate Trevor for many reasons. One he tries so hard to be funny when he's not. Does extremely stupid things just the sake of it. I can't stand his constant loud tone and shouting to make himself appear much more aggressive and dangerous than he really is. He's just a bully who mainly picks on the weak and meek, not mention killing innocent people for no reason at all (Floyd and Debra). He has a terrible dress sense and he's just a dirty-looking, hideous, unclean guy. Finally, his sick bisexual tendencies and gay taunting.

T did not kill floyd it probably was debra firing the shot .. Other than that he did not kill any innocent people.

Also the last part sounds kinda homophobic....

Just because someone doesn't like gay things doesn't mean he's a/sounds like a homophobe.

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Tycek

To bring back the topic on the right track, I actually believe that theory that Lost MC was an afterthought may be true.

 

1. First, there was confederation flag hung on one of the campers in Stab City, and to make it more interesting it was changed along with some updates/fixes. Ideas of confederation were closer to the general ideology of AoD, with their racism and chauvinism. And that bring us to the second point.

 

2. I haven't seen single Lost member that would be black in V. All the generic bikers are white, which makes Clay single black member on the west coast. That's not surprising since Clay was brought from IV, where Lost still was the gang open to all people unlike AoD which allowed only white members to join. Additionally there's terrible distortion in the look of the biker models. Terry and Clay wore a nomad outfits, which are suitable for the desert, where they were located. Johnny was copied from IV along with his unfitting insignia (Liberty, Vice President, etc.), while the whole rest of members look like a bunch of hipster kids, not a street hardened bunch of outlaws. Additionally some members wears rockers saying LFFL, which is kind of strange (Lost Far From Liberty?).

 

In the earlier version or somewhere during the road, they could be either AoD or some new gang, make to give some enemies to Trevor, but instead of creating them fully they decided to go cheap and reuse TLMC to create a bigger shocker.

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Peachrocks

 

I have to ask, why do you guys HATE T so much? Is it because e killed Johnny?

Because I think T is one of the honest characktars out there and he isn't a hypocrite he says the things how they are he doesn't hide behind social standards

 

 

I've always said that Trevor killing Johnny doesn't rank on the top 10 reasons I hate him, it only left a terrible first impression. Maybe it's time I backed that up. This might be long but whatever... I'm going to try make this as rational as possible. This is hardly complete but I'm doing this off the top of my head. I guess at the end of the day, I'm preaching to the choir and those who don't agree will think TL;DR and take points out of context and use straw man arguments.

 

1. His Hypocrisy

I find it REALLY funny you say he isn't a hypocrite because this is easily the number one reason I cannot stand him. Though I get what you mean it doesn't make him immune to being a hypocrite. He constantly accuses Michael of being a snake while his relationship with Wade and Ron (especially Wade) is nothing but him abusing them and lying to them to get them to identify with him. It's not the only example of it either but it's the most obvious. He accuses people of not holding to standards that he himself doesn't hold to all the time, only when it suits him. It's made worse by the fact almost nobody calls him out on it, Curtis Weaver the last bail bond target and Franklin (on a social meeting and it's extremely subtle) are the only two to which Trevor never directly addresses their accusations.

 

2. His Self Righteousness

He goes on and on and on and on and on about how his way is the right way. About how he's 'true'. By true do you mean constantly annoying people and then calling them pussies when they tell you not to do something? Or do you mean the part where you manipulate people into doing things out of fear? Then you act self righteous when they 'abandon' you? Please.

 

3. His complete inability to feel empathy for others

He demands sympathy from the audience at many times during the plot yet is completely incapable of understanding something from someone else's view and just continues to belittle them. Something many people have but it's a really annoying quality.

 

4. He makes everything about himself

Trevor will sometimes ask a legitimate question about something else, he then immediately turns the subject around back onto himself and go on and on and on. Again this is a real life quality that people do actually do, but it's extremely annoying.

 

5. The way he demands people feel sorry for him while at other times trivializing their problems

'Everyone always abandons me'. 'I'm not complaining about x but I'm going to mention it in contrast to what you said so I can one up you so really it is complaining but I'm not complaining'.

 

6. The whole nature of his 'lolrandom11111!!!!' moments

This one is especially subjective, but some of the stuff we are supposed to find hilarious I find downright immature. This would be fine if this is how the rest of the game was but because it's not and it sticks out like a sore thumb it goes against the entire tone of the game/story.

 

7. The whole story falls apart through trying to somehow fit this mess of a character into story of this tone

As I've said before, why can we kill Trevor at the only point in the story it makes zero sense to kill him? A lot of the story suffers simply because it tries to fit in someone as random and chaotic as Trevor into this sort of a story and game. The only way it can even function on a basic level without Trevor randomly deciding to blow people's heads off at the wrong moment is making Trevor's character inconsistent. You could argue that it's a result of his 'mental' illness but too much of Trevor is written like a plot device to move the story, 'we need Trevor to do this to create this problem but we can't have him act like he usually does in this other situation because it'd break the story'.

 

8. He gets away with the most ridiculous crap compared to everyone else

Take Lamar who can't even sneeze without having people jump all over him for doing something off. Yes his plans aren't the most sound and he sort of deserves to have a lot of people after him, but let's compare this to Trevor who steals what is believed to be a nuke or some other sort of super weapon. Yes he has to give it back but he gets little more than his victims being 'mildly irritated'. Again, this is not the only example but the most obvious. The rules that hold other characters to standards within the story simply do not apply to Trevor.

 

9. 'We need Trevor'? Why?

Michael says this a lot in regards to the heist on the Union Depository. What exact role does Trevor have that makes him so essential to the big one? I'm not really seeing why they couldn't hire one of the other people they had access to do the job Trevor had. I mean I know that it was sort of expected that all three characters would have to be playable in the big one but the point is because of all the other things about his character, it makes absolutely zero sense to use him for this. It comes back to point 7 in a way but every time Michael says those words I wince.

 

10. His general mistreatment of people he supposedly cares about

Wade, Ron and Floyd most notably. This is usually done for the cheap laugh so it sort of goes into point 6 but considering how much of a core aspect this is of it's character I count it separately. Sure none of the GTA protagonists are saints but they generally don't act so abusive to people who are actively helping them. He only does this with characters he feels he can manipulate out of fear which makes him even more disgusting. With anyone else it's insulting them and calling them pussies if they don't agree with his point of view then acting butt hurt and self righteous when they 'betray' him.

 

At the end of the day, it boils down to the fact that Trevor simply doesn't fit the tone the rest of the game is made in and is thrown in for a cheap laugh and we are meant to believe large flights of fantasy simply so the story doesn't fall apart.

 

To bring back the topic on the right track,

 

Uhhh... ooops... Good points again though but really again, whole thing is written so Trevor's dysfunctional character can work and 'stand out' even more...

 

The AoD in TLAD accuse the Lost of being 'Liberal Pussies', so... yeah... it really doesn't make any sense...

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Choco Taco

Other than that he did not kill any innocent people.

 

 

Daisy Bell

 

Kush-Chronic

 

Plus, he brings people to the Altruists.

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XenoxX

 

Other than that he did not kill any innocent people.

 

Daisy Bell

 

Kush-Chronic

 

Plus, he brings people to the Altruists.

Should I be ashamed that I don't know/remember both... Edited by XenoxX

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UshaB

yes.

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Dr. Robotnik

It's kind of funny, but has anyone else noticed that Trevor's kind of racist and sexist himself, much as he criticizes other people for it? He doesn't really treat women who aren't Patricia very well, and he has no problem making "You'll be shot, amigo!" jokes to Andreas Sanchez or mocking Wei Cheng's accent. His addressing Franklin as "my n-word" could've just as easily been done by Devin Weston.

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Majestic81

It's kind of funny, but has anyone else noticed that Trevor's kind of racist and sexist himself, much as he criticizes other people for it? He doesn't really treat women who aren't Patricia very well, and he has no problem making "You'll be shot, amigo!" jokes to Andreas Sanchez or mocking Wei Cheng's accent. His addressing Franklin as "my n-word" could've just as easily been done by Devin Weston.

Trevor is everything sh*tty to be honest, No barriers at all with him. That was the intent of Dan Houser, He said they wanted to make someone like that, someone who is an absolute loose canon, and let players play him in a GTA.

 

I dont believe they would have went with a character like that if there wasnt a 3 protagonist thingy.

 

I get their approach and tactic, But in the end it leaves the characters not having enough character development or density to them.

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bl00dykill5

(Before you get mad allow me to clarify that I am not a Johnny fanboy nor do I hate Trevor for what he did.) When Trevor killed Johnny I must admit I was rather upset. He was such a great character. I want to know your opinions though. Are you guys glad that he is dead or you also upset?

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ELOSOJER

(Before you get mad allow me to clarify that I am not a Johnny fanboy nor do I hate Trevor for what he did.) When Trevor killed Johnny I must admit I was rather upset. He was such a great character. I want to know your opinions though. Are you guys glad that he is dead or you also upset?

I was/am a fan of Johnny, clearly -- the whole Lost chapter as a whole was awesome. As much of a fan as I am, Johnny K's death would have been easier to accept if it were done in a different way. Better. Dead horse and stick explanation coming up, but they just wiped him away as if he was nothing. It is what it is, though; characters come and go, but how good or bad they're introduced or written off is on R*. All we can do is applaud or scoff -- there's hardly an area of gray when it comes to a loved protagonist/antagonist. If R* has the opportunity to write a pretty notable character out of the story, they have a chance to really capitalize and make it a "shock and awe" moment. Trevor's introduction in taking out Johnny was very bold, sure, but they could have went way beyond with The Lost more than what they did. But again, it is what it is, and it may be just wishful thinking, but I hope that there's more from The Lost or even The Angels of Death in the future, even if it's just bits and pieces.

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Piggsy pls

You know, The Lost have appeared across more games than any other gang in the series. They've been in every HD era game so far, even CTW. I almost get the feeling Rockstar has some sort of weird love/hate obsession with them, lol. Personally, I'd be willing to bet they'll appear in the next game.

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CrissRiot

Everything logical regarding Johnny/The Lost went out the window to A) Make Trevor out to be unbelieveably untouchable and B) Give us easy-bake missions for GTA Online.

Worth ruining Johnny and The Lost? You decide (I for one hated what they did to both. Period).

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agonistes06

i didn't like tlad as much as every other gta game i have played, which is all of them. i wanted to; i was excited for a biker version of gta. but i found it depressing and lacking in the whole, surreal quality gta games always seem to have--like a sarcastic take on reality. to me, tlad was a somber take on biker life in gta form, if that makes sense. i guess i wanted it to be more, or have a happier ending or something. all three of the iv incarnation was a bit disappointing to me, however, so maybe that had something to do with it.

 

when trevor killed johnny, i was not expecting it, of course, and i think my reaction was, 'whoa.' i wasn't delighted to see him go, or sad really, but i understood it in terms of video game plot-advancing. trevor didn't quite live up to the foreshadowing of him as wild-card bad-ass, either, being more hastily explained part violent lunatic and part hedonistic drug-absorber. he's still my favorite character, don't ask me to explain why, i can't.

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MarshDanni

Klebitz's downfall was poorly executed. He basically died less than 5 minutes we see him in the whole game. We see that drugs overtook him and he's a shadow of his former self. He isn't what we left him in TLAD and that's really sad to see. Making him a protagonist made a connection with the players and to see him go in such a fashion was a bad move by R*. First time we see Trevor after North Yankton is when he's having sex with Ashley and killing a GTA protagonist. For me that was a bad first impression of Trevor, even when already knowing that he's a maniac. But that's just me, point is if Johnny had to die it shouldn't have been in this way

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Maibatsu545

The fact that he was killed in 5 seconds in a stupid cutscene and not made Trevor's main antagonist instead of stupid Wei f*cking Chen will go down as one of the stupidest Houser decisions in all of GTA history.

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zmudziak32

I think, if JK and Trevor were in better bussiness relation, they could be partners, even use JK in heists, they could split Sandy Shores between them and make money. Johnny could do get weapons and Trevor supply TLMC with Drugs. Johnny was tough in TLAD but they made him weak as using drugs and desperate that Trevor uses Ashley as sextoy.

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Fuzzknuckles

i've ranted about his death so much it's like a broken record, but yeah. his death was forced, humiliating, and it showed how little the writers cared about TLAD. it's like the writers never even played TLAD and dan houser is like "ok here is johnny from TLAD, make him a methhead and kill him off lol"

 

i hope him and his stupid brother choke on the cocaine they've been snorting all day long. dicks

I have to say, this level of bitterness is really quite hilarious. It's only a video game character. If they'd killed your real life friend, I'd understand, but this... This is priceless. A real biker, a real tough guy, wouldn't be whining like this.

 

I guess this illustrates just how attached people can get to characters but personally I just can't understand it, can't relate at all.

 

Anyways, on topic, for what it's worth, yet again...

 

It sure had an impact and made people hate Trevor, right? Mission Accomplished, Rockstar. You elicited some actual emotion out of people with his death and they're still grieving the loss of a person that never really existed years down the line. Bra-f*cking-vo.

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Mrmojorisin7

Never really cared about Johnny, haven't played TLAD. So it's fine by me that he got killed, maybe that shows that Trevor doesn't take sh*t from nobody. Not even from "Meth-Head Johnny".

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Son of Zeus

Never really cared about Johnny, haven't played TLAD. So it's fine by me that he got killed, maybe that shows that Trevor doesn't take sh*t from nobody. Not even from "Meth-Head Johnny".

The point was to show how badass he supposedly is. It's actually pathetic because he won't be able to take down TLaD Johnny that easily.

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Maibatsu545

I don't really have a problem with the fact that Johnny was killed so much that it was such a lame and poorly written scene. It just makes no sense for him to behave the way he did in that cutscene. I don't really like Johnny as a character, nor am I in love with TLaD either (I thought it was actually a rather poor showing from Rockstar after all the GTA4 DLC hype, but that's a topic for another thread). It's just the scene is just...stupid. Nonsensical and obviously not how the character would act, based off how we saw him in TLaD. Johnny obviously would never act *SO* stupid and naive, no matter how much meth he's smoked. When you take a character and make them do such a 180, the suspension of disbelief is lost, and you're just taken out of it by how illogical it is. Not to mention the fact that Johnny would've made a much better antagonist

 

Rockstar could have easily made a groundbreaking and bold new direction in the GTA series by having a former protagonist be an antagonist. No GTA game has ever done this before and would have really made V stand out. Instead they wasted that opportunity on a cheap attempt at humor/generic shock value.

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Daines001

I would say something but most of you guys especially you Tycek said it all.
So I just say again, GTA V is fairty gangster talle about 3 idiots, black moron who want's money power and bitches. Some ultimate psycho which never was after wearing woman stuff and ultimately yall at all characters to be the fearful one, and old fat ultra moron who will die in real life after first mission. So as tlad and Johnny were in this game, for first there should be AoD but common that is not badass, let's use old characters, even if that has no f*cking sence, Johnny is with girl which he hate, in town across whole f*cking US, he is methhead, his best friend on chair dissappear, and he is killed by completly unrealistic, comedy, homo, bi, incest, canadian psycho redneck for a big show. Lol Housers continue sniffing drugs, and go f*ck yourself with whole Scumstar* and V sh*t ... I expect SA with IV storyline and you get me amateur fairty talle crap with no sence.

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SonOfLiberty

 

i've ranted about his death so much it's like a broken record, but yeah. his death was forced, humiliating, and it showed how little the writers cared about TLAD. it's like the writers never even played TLAD and dan houser is like "ok here is johnny from TLAD, make him a methhead and kill him off lol"

i hope him and his stupid brother choke on the cocaine they've been snorting all day long. dicks

 

I have to say, this level of bitterness is really quite hilarious. It's only a video game character. If they'd killed your real life friend, I'd understand, but this... This is priceless. A real biker, a real tough guy, wouldn't be whining like this.

 

I guess this illustrates just how attached people can get to characters but personally I just can't understand it, can't relate at all.

 

Anyways, on topic, for what it's worth, yet again...

 

It sure had an impact and made people hate Trevor, right? Mission Accomplished, Rockstar. You elicited some actual emotion out of people with his death and they're still grieving the loss of a person that never really existed years down the line. Bra-f*cking-vo.

 

You don't get it Fuzz. It's not because he died that gets under peoples' skin. The majority of the criticism comes from how it was handled. It says everything even when non-TLAD fans recognise its poor form.

 

The fact is many people still feel the The Lost in general not just Johnny were treated like tossed away garbage when there was no reason to.

 

At the end of TLAD the Alderney chapter was already in shambles and it's likely they would've all been dead anyway yet their role in GTA V honestly feels like to be there for the sake to piss on the remainders.

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Fuzzknuckles

 

 

i've ranted about his death so much it's like a broken record, but yeah. his death was forced, humiliating, and it showed how little the writers cared about TLAD. it's like the writers never even played TLAD and dan houser is like "ok here is johnny from TLAD, make him a methhead and kill him off lol"

i hope him and his stupid brother choke on the cocaine they've been snorting all day long. dicks

I have to say, this level of bitterness is really quite hilarious. It's only a video game character. If they'd killed your real life friend, I'd understand, but this... This is priceless. A real biker, a real tough guy, wouldn't be whining like this.

 

I guess this illustrates just how attached people can get to characters but personally I just can't understand it, can't relate at all.

 

Anyways, on topic, for what it's worth, yet again...

 

It sure had an impact and made people hate Trevor, right? Mission Accomplished, Rockstar. You elicited some actual emotion out of people with his death and they're still grieving the loss of a person that never really existed years down the line. Bra-f*cking-vo.

You don't get it Fuzz. It's not because he died that gets under peoples' skin. The majority of the criticism comes from how it was handled. It says everything even when non-TLAD fans recognise its poor form.

 

The fact is many people still feel the The Lost in general not just Johnny were treated like tossed away garbage when there was no reason to.

 

At the end of TLAD the Alderney chapter was already in shambles and it's likely they would've all been dead anyway yet their role in GTA V honestly feels like to be there for the sake to piss on the remainders.

 

No really, I get that. It's hard to not understand that after hearing it for over two years.

 

And I've explained why I think it was handled that way, all fair and valid points that people don't want to agree with, and instead of actually trying to understand why, they just keep repeating themselves about how unfair it is.

 

He died to show that Trevor is a psycho who cares for no one, to show that you can't get too attached to anyone, and to show that the days of IV and the episodes were over.

 

Is it really that important in the grand scheme of things that this guy died? No. But there are obviously people that have a huge amount of love and respect for the guy (hence him being all over people's avatars, signatures, and other places where they can, for want of a better term, apply a little hero worship. That's not a dig, I'm just saying what I see.

 

Johnny was, to me, a fairly boring character that didn't have any impact on me. I found his persona to be dull and far too mired in self-pity. He cleaned up his act but, like any pathetic junkie, he went back to the drugs and back to his ugly girlfriend and, as far as we're lead to believe, showed the strength of his clearly very weak convictions. Was it necessary to kill him off? Yes, absolutely, for the reasons above. Why couldn't it have been someone else? Because no one else had a history of drug abuse and weakness. Because no one else was tied to meth on some level or another.

 

So, who else should it have been? Which protag would everyone have preferred to die instead of Johnny? You're limited to Niko - who, lets be honest, would put Trevor in the dirt, or Luis. Luis had no reason to be anywhere but LC, so we can discount him as well. And there's no option for any of the III era protags.

 

They had to make a bold statement and they had to do something that would piss people off. I believe there's a huge amount of symbolism behind the selection of Johnny - the protag of the bleakest, darkest GTA story to date (and most boring, IMO) and, I think, this was a way of saying goodbye to the bleak and unforgiving harshness of IV - TLAD in particular - and saying hello to bright, sunny LA and all the lunacy that brings with it.

 

Pissing on the remains of the Lost was all they were good for by the end of TLAD. A brotherhood that fell apart, a well intentioned loser that wanted to turn his life around but ended up back where he was, but in even worse condition. A skanky crack whore that he couldn't keep away from. I mean, really, what's the loss here?

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SonOfLiberty

I actually like Maibatsu's idea that R* could've done something bold and daring and had a former protagonist serve as the antagonist.

 

Johnny and The Lost could've fit that role perfectly. I would've preferred Johnny as Trevor's antagonist than Wei Cheng who is as interesting as a random ped.

 

Hopefully with GTA VI R* can hit their old stride establishing protagonists with great writing instead of relying on sh*tty shock value tactics.

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kvic

If they were going to kill him off at least do it in a chase or gun battle what they did was lame.

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Fuzzknuckles

I actually like Maibatsu's idea that R* could've done something bold and daring and had a former protagonist serve as the antagonist.

As much as I think he's generally full of guff, I actually agree with this.

 

 

If they were going to kill him off at least do it in a chase or gun battle what they did was lame.

And this to some degree. For all my dislike of Johnny and his bitch-ass crew, he could have at least been chased down before Trevor stomped on his stupid little bald face. Though honestly, I think Trevor should have just f*cked Ashley then shot Johnny straight in the face.

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Son of Zeus

Well atleast we got the option to roast Trevor at the end, so that evens it out a bit. Still no excuse for cheap shock value tactics though.

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SonOfLiberty

Well atleast we got the option to roast Trevor at the end, so that evens it out a bit. Still no excuse for cheap shock value tactics though.

That's my answer to it. Karma's a bitch lol.

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Fuzzknuckles

Funnily enough, it wasn't Trevor stomping Johnny that really made me hate him. It was the way he treats that idiot manchild, Wade. That and his chronic inconsistency, and that he was clearly designed to appeal to boys in their mid to late teens - i.e. people that probably shouldn't even be playing the game.

 

The fact is, Johnny did get stomped and people felt something - so it did exactly what it was intended to. I may be reading too much into people's posts, but the fact that they felt such an impact and, in some cases, people actually sound like they grieved his death, is an impressive feat of game design. Sloppy writing, sure, but I can't think of many other games where something like this has hit people quite to the same degree.

 

Johnny died for our sins. Always in our hearts. Never forget. Etc.

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Peachrocks

I actually like Maibatsu's idea that R* could've done something bold and daring and had a former protagonist serve as the antagonist.

 

Johnny and The Lost could've fit that role perfectly. I would've preferred Johnny as Trevor's antagonist than Wei Cheng who is as interesting as a random ped.

 

Hopefully with GTA VI R* can hit their old stride establishing protagonists with great writing instead of relying on sh*tty shock value tactics.

 

The problem with that though is you would have to make Trevor a significantly stronger character then he currently is.Wei Cheng was basically insignificant as a nemesis to Trevor because Trevor has very little that's actually meaningful about him or the relationships he has with characters (both positive and negative). You can't create a meaningful nemesis for a character that by design has little meaning.

 

There was really no good way to make Johnny K lose to Trevor in his current form because although they have a lot in common in their base make up and personality (very anti authority, has strong reasons to hate 'the man' and society) the differences in terms of their depth of character is extreme. Trevor is a kiddy pool in terms of depth and most of his... um... character... is random lolz. A character deliberately designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator, Johnny on the other hand is very much a niche character, one with depth, he reflects on his short comings and tries to figure out Leavis and what makes him happy, his 'chivalry' like ideals as Stubbs puts it, his relationships with Angus, Jim, Terry and Clay on one hand but also those with Billy, Brian and Ashley. A lot of things about Johnny go over the heads of many and certainly those who Trevor really appeals to, which is of course why Trevor was written to kill him because that'd make the lowest common denominator happy, killing the 'whiner' character but in reality it goes over their heads. Sure not everyone who understands Johnny is going to like/identify or whatever, but people who really like Trevor almost certainly do not understand Johnny at all.

 

It certainly could be done where Trevor kills Johnny and still feel like excellent writing but you would have to drastically change the character Trevor is which of course would make him no longer a character that appeals to the lowest common denominator due to too much of the depth word coming into it.

 

Funnily enough, it wasn't Trevor stomping Johnny that really made me hate him. It was the way he treats that idiot manchild, Wade. That and his chronic inconsistency, and that he was clearly designed to appeal to boys in their mid to late teens - i.e. people that probably shouldn't even be playing the game.

 

 

This. Though him stomping on Johnny and then killing off Lost members because he was told 'no' really did not leave a good first impression.

 

Well atleast we got the option to roast Trevor at the end, so that evens it out a bit. Still no excuse for cheap shock value tactics though.

 

This still doesn't make me feel better because it makes no friggin sense in the narrative to kill Trevor there. At any other time would make more bloody sense but nooooo... we aren't allowed because reasons... ugh... hate Trevor.

 

They had to make a bold statement and they had to do something that would piss people off. I believe there's a huge amount of symbolism behind the selection of Johnny - the protag of the bleakest, darkest GTA story to date (and most boring, IMO) and, I think, this was a way of saying goodbye to the bleak and unforgiving harshness of IV - TLAD in particular - and saying hello to bright, sunny LA and all the lunacy that brings with it.

 

 

Yeah. I've long accepted these and other reasons, but I think me and others think they aren't 'good' reasons yet that carries basically no weight in... anything really which just leaves empty hatred which is why it's gone on and on and on. Though that said, the lunacy of both LA and Trevor might have been more okay if it was more consistent but, it's like GTA V tried to appeal to so many people at once, it just... really didn't go anywhere. Don't get me wrong it's still okish and there's parts and characters I really like but... it's really all over the place.

 

At the end of the day, much like GTA Online's focus with no single player DLC, this was mostly done to pander to the dumb majority and I think that above all else whether people know it or not, this what REALLY makes them annoyed then anything Johnny is/isn't or anything Trevor is/isn't.

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