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Guru Fijis

Johnny K's downfall real or important? [Spoilers]

Johnny's death: Happy or not?  

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  1. 1. Are you glad that Johnny is dead in gta 5?

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Guru Fijis

I have an excellent freaking theory. Trevor and J got into a few scraps, so this last time when J didn't have enough money to pay for food or roids and that's when we saw him. But he still "took it like a man", as he told Brian right? Eh... U think this isn't plausible?

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Maya Echo Visari

I never played TLAD so perhaps this may invalidate my prespective, but I can't really understand the point in Johnny's short cameo other than to introduce an enemy faction, rather than the motive of lore development which seems like a missed opportunity if you ask me.

 

I get the whole, "let's shake them up, anything can happen in our game" - and that's cool, but was it really worth fleshing out a character that is seemingly beloved by fans only for him to be put down like a wounded animal? He's a 6-foot tall giant chapter president, but they made him out to be this whimp that lost himself to ice and an ice whore. I sense a contradictory in his character, but that's as far as I'll go into that.

 

My question is: Was there any mention of a West Coast chapter, and was Johnny to have anything to do with it, being that he lives on the East Coast, in TLAD?

 

He just moves to the West Coast and loses to crystal. Is that it? That's the story for Johnny Boy? That's all she wrote?

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slimeball supreme

He has a 'I rode to Los Santos and back 2004' sticker on his jacket, but that's about it.

I think he also may have had discussions about it with Clay and Terry - but I'm not sure.

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I never played TLAD so perhaps this may invalidate my prespective, but I can't really understand the point in Johnny's short cameo other than to introduce an enemy faction, rather than the motive of lore development which seems like a missed opportunity if you ask me.

 

I get the whole, "let's shake them up, anything can happen in our game" - and that's cool, but was it really worth fleshing out a character that is seemingly beloved by fans only for him to be put down like a wounded animal? He's a 6-foot tall giant chapter president, but they made him out to be this whimp that lost himself to ice and an ice whore. I sense a contradictory in his character, but that's as far as I'll go into that.

 

My question is: Was there any mention of a West Coast chapter, and was Johnny to have anything to do with it, being that he lives on the East Coast, in TLAD?

 

He just moves to the West Coast and loses to crystal. Is that it? That's the story for Johnny Boy? That's all she wrote?

He was both of those things in the end. He brought about his own demise. What kind of bad ass outlaw biker falls in love with a junkie whore? I didn't give a single f*ck when he died.

 

If it was Niko, or maybe even Luis, then I might have cared.

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Maya Echo Visari

What kind of bad ass outlaw biker falls in love with a junkie whore?

A badass outlaw biker with the right amout of beer in him.

Edited by Maya Echo Visari

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Tycek

There is no really a point in discussing Johnny's downfall, because everything that was shown in V about TLMC was written so poorly, it's really hard to believe it was written by the same man who wrote TLaD. Everything from Johnny's personality, through his affection to Ashley (when he was clearly over her at the end of TLaD and didn't even want to talk to the her during their final phone conversation), Terry and Clay being reduced to cannon fodder, to such details as vehicles used by the gang, is wrong. And don't even get me started on AoD which is pictured in IV as international gang with clubhouse in every major city in US and few outside the country, yet in V vanished without a trace.

 

Maybe in the earlier version the wanted to reuse AoD, which would make sense, yet later decided to change it for TLMC, for the shock factor? Either way the writing was clearly amateurish and would fit more into some poor fanfiction written by not very bright fan of the game.

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B Dawg

Was there any mention of a West Coast chapter, and was Johnny to have anything to do with it, being that he lives on the East Coast, in TLAD?

During hangout conversation, Clay suggests moving out to the West Coast, while Jim and Johnny are against it, because they already have a lot of trouble in Liberty City, and of course are falling apart. So yeah, them going across the United States, whiping the AOD from history and turning into pussies for Trevor made no damn sense at all.

 

Even if Johnny being weakened by Ashley is plausible, what the f*ck happened to Terry and Clay? Why didn't he show up with backup on Trevor's doorstep and killed him right on the spot? One dude vs three or more angry bikers. Strenght in brothers if you can't do it yourself.

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Niobium

i've ranted about his death so much it's like a broken record, but yeah. his death was forced, humiliating, and it showed how little the writers cared about TLAD. it's like the writers never even played TLAD and dan houser is like "ok here is johnny from TLAD, make him a methhead and kill him off lol"

 

i hope him and his stupid brother choke on the cocaine they've been snorting all day long. dicks

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UshaB

Did the same voice actor for Johnny in TLAD voice V's? And if so, why would he agree to it?

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BlackSnow176

In TLAD, Johnny was against drugs, and even though he still had feelings for Ashley, he wouldn't go back to her because of her addictions. What happened to him in GTA V was a disgrace. The true Johnny would've dropped Trevor without hesitation, and wouldn't have had anything to do with him in the first place.

 

Perhaps Niko was too much of a fan favorite to get killed off, and probably nobody would've cared if it was Luis. But why kill Johnny of all people??? :cry:

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Son of Zeus

i've ranted about his death so much it's like a broken record, but yeah. his death was forced, humiliating, and it showed how little the writers cared about TLAD. it's like the writers never even played TLAD and dan houser is like "ok here is johnny from TLAD, make him a methhead and kill him off lol"

 

i hope him and his stupid brother choke on the cocaine they've been snorting all day long. dicks

Agreed. His death was sh*ttily written for shock value. That's why I killed Trevor at the end.

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UshaB

probably nobody would've cared if it was Luis.

 

I would of cared. Luis would f*ck Trevor up in a fist fight, so to would Niko. Unless they were degraded down somehow like Johnny was.

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Gnocchi Flip Flops

 

i've ranted about his death so much it's like a broken record, but yeah. his death was forced, humiliating, and it showed how little the writers cared about TLAD. it's like the writers never even played TLAD and dan houser is like "ok here is johnny from TLAD, make him a methhead and kill him off lol"

 

i hope him and his stupid brother choke on the cocaine they've been snorting all day long. dicks

Agreed. His death was sh*ttily written for shock value. That's why I killed Trevor at the end.

 

I so wanted to see Trevor get burned alive but couldn't go against ending C.

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slimeball supreme

The more I think about it, the more someone could actually find it plausible.

 

Johnny had broken up with Ash over and over before, I doubt this would've been the last time. In a way the only way you could wrap your head around it is if you think they got back together, after a while Johnny misses being a bikey and talks up Terry, Clay and the Broker Chapter into driving out and moving their old chapter into San An. There were already Lost Chapters all over the US, so they probably joined up with the more traditional chapters over there. Meanwhile, Johnny gets back into Meth after Ash convinces him to try it again (Johnny had already been addicted to meth before TLaD, he just relapses here) and goes full on. Trevor comes into the picture and begins with a steady relationship with The Lost, before slowly f*cking with them and messing around with their shipments with his merry band of dipsh*ts in chrome Zentornos and f*cking Ashley behind Johnny's back. Halfway in - Johnny finds out and beats the sh*t out of T, breaking a few fingers and scratching his face a bit. Trevor continues f*cking with the Lost and Ashley while Johnny gets more into meth, the straw breaking the camel's back exactly during what we see happen in Mr Phillips.

 

The AoD might just have not had turf in LS, not every single gang has to have turf in every city. There aren't any Bloods or Crips in New Orleans. Or at least there wasn't. The AoD are still mentioned and probably have turf in the Midwest/Northern SA.

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Gnocchi Flip Flops

I always thought Johnny would end up the way he did in Mokrie Dela's fanfics. Away from everybody living in a trailer and working at a bar or something. Moving to Los Santos? Getting back with Ashley. And there's no backstory or lead up? That was stupid. I'm sorry, there's just no reasonable explanation to me. The writers favored action over substance and were probably out of ideas how to make Trevor seem like the ultimate badass he never was.

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slimeball supreme

I always thought Johnny would end up the way he did in Mokrie Dela's fanfics. Away from everybody living in a trailer and working at a bar or something. Moving to Los Santos? Getting back with Ashley. And there's no backstory or lead up? That was stupid. I'm sorry, there's just no reasonable explanation to me. The writers favored action over substance and were probably out of ideas how to make Trevor seem like the ultimate badass he never was.

You can only piece it together yourself really, it's a lot more fleshed out in my head. I used to picture him giving up the life and working as a bike mechanic under the Panhandle Road Overpass. Meeting up with the guys at the Bowling Alley on Saturdays to remember the old days. Terry working alongside Jonny, maybe at Autoroticar, Clay sticking up small time stores still and Angus doing whatever Angus does.

 

I've never read Mokrie Dela's fanfics, what happens in them?

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Gummy 

Did the same voice actor for Johnny in TLAD voice V's? And if so, why would he agree to it?

he was pretty disappointed, but was glad he was along for the ride. He also said that a guy he's stayed in contact with from R* left because of what happened to Johnny.

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Lester-The-Molester

 

 

i've ranted about his death so much it's like a broken record, but yeah. his death was forced, humiliating, and it showed how little the writers cared about TLAD. it's like the writers never even played TLAD and dan houser is like "ok here is johnny from TLAD, make him a methhead and kill him off lol"

 

i hope him and his stupid brother choke on the cocaine they've been snorting all day long. dicks

Agreed. His death was sh*ttily written for shock value. That's why I killed Trevor at the end.

 

I so wanted to see Trevor get burned alive but couldn't go against ending C.

Why not?

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Xing of Virtue

While Johnny's death was the sh*ttiest piece of sh*t to ever be written, it did live up to the ideal of Klebitz being a 'lost and damned'.

 

🔮

Edited by Xing of Virtue

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Niobium

 

I always thought Johnny would end up the way he did in Mokrie Dela's fanfics. Away from everybody living in a trailer and working at a bar or something. Moving to Los Santos? Getting back with Ashley. And there's no backstory or lead up? That was stupid. I'm sorry, there's just no reasonable explanation to me. The writers favored action over substance and were probably out of ideas how to make Trevor seem like the ultimate badass he never was.

You can only piece it together yourself really, it's a lot more fleshed out in my head. I used to picture him giving up the life and working as a bike mechanic under the Panhandle Road Overpass. Meeting up with the guys at the Bowling Alley on Saturdays to remember the old days. Terry working alongside Jonny, maybe at Autoroticar, Clay sticking up small time stores still and Angus doing whatever Angus does.

 

I've never read Mokrie Dela's fanfics, what happens in them?

lol the only way his death makes some sense if you

 

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if the reader/viewer/player needs to use their imagination to explain things that don't make sense without an explanation, it's bad writing.

 

 

also johnny never really implied he did meth before. when he talks about getting sh*tfaced with his brothers or ashley, it could mean just getting drunk.

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slimeball supreme

Maybe. I wouldn't know.

I'm a dumbass.

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Tycek

The more I think about it, the more someone could actually find it plausible.

 

Johnny had broken up with Ash over and over before, I doubt this would've been the last time. In a way the only way you could wrap your head around it is if you think they got back together, after a while Johnny misses being a bikey and talks up Terry, Clay and the Broker Chapter into driving out and moving their old chapter into San An. There were already Lost Chapters all over the US, so they probably joined up with the more traditional chapters over there. Meanwhile, Johnny gets back into Meth after Ash convinces him to try it again (Johnny had already been addicted to meth before TLaD, he just relapses here) and goes full on. Trevor comes into the picture and begins with a steady relationship with The Lost, before slowly f*cking with them and messing around with their shipments with his merry band of dipsh*ts in chrome Zentornos and f*cking Ashley behind Johnny's back. Halfway in - Johnny finds out and beats the sh*t out of T, breaking a few fingers and scratching his face a bit. Trevor continues f*cking with the Lost and Ashley while Johnny gets more into meth, the straw breaking the camel's back exactly during what we see happen in Mr Phillips.

 

The AoD might just have not had turf in LS, not every single gang has to have turf in every city. There aren't any Bloods or Crips in New Orleans. Or at least there wasn't. The AoD are still mentioned and probably have turf in the Midwest/Northern SA.

Not bad story, but it has the same level of "imaginative" writing as the one we had in V.

 

According to what was said in IV Johnny broke with Ashley once, whether due to her drug habit or relationship with Billy. She's listed as Billy's old lady in the police database. They weren't an item during TLaD, but Johnny still felt something to Ashley thus find himself obliged to help her in her trouble. On the other hand he knew that the drugs won't let her go, so he constantly declined giving her money for the meth. After the game she's admitting she was kicked out of the habit, which makes Johnny to finish the phone conversation with her. She's not heard again.

 

What happened to Angus (he was their brother after all) and we may say he was kind of Johnny's advisor always having something sensible to say?

Why would TLMC move to Los Santos? Their I rode mine Los Santos 2004 was just a throwback to SA, which came out in said year and nothing more. Sure, few of the brothers may be there on some kind of trip, but that doesn't imply that they should move their crippled asses 8000 kilometers, just for the sake of it. Also there were no TLMC chapters anywhere. It was just a small time gang made by the Vietnam veterans who decided to remember their fallen army friends, by giving their finger to the country that sent them to war. TLMC was just one chapter in Alderney and even the existence of so called Broker chapter is doubtful as there is no proof they were present apart from one or two dialogues.

 

Johnny was never a drug user. Terry was known to LCPD as a meth cook, but nowhere in the game it was mentioned that they were using the drugs for the own use. It's also rather unlikely that Johnny seeing Ashley in the gutter would follow her in her footsteps.

 

The AoD originated in SF, just few hundreds kilometers north of LS, so it would be unlikely that they didn't have chapter there. In IV it's implied they are present in every major city in US and few city outside the country (very likely in Canada and Australia). Real life Hell's Angels on which the AoD were based are vast and powerful biker gang with presence in whole US.

 

So more or less, the story regarding TLMC in V still doesn't make any sense, not only in comparison with what was said and shown in IV, but as a whole (which is a topic for another post), thus it shouldn't be even taken into consideration by any means.

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gunziness

 

Did the same voice actor for Johnny in TLAD voice V's? And if so, why would he agree to it?

he was pretty disappointed, but was glad he was along for the ride. He also said that a guy he's stayed in contact with from R* left because of what happened to Johnny.

I dont usually ask for sources, but I would really love to know more about this. When and where did he say that?

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The Deadite

...It's also rather unlikely that Johnny seeing Ashley in the gutter would follow her in her footsteps.

Johnny wouldn't get deppressed after TLAD events and start make drugs?

It's not THAT far fetched.

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Fuzzknuckles

i've ranted about his death so much it's like a broken record, but yeah. his death was forced, humiliating, and it showed how little the writers cared about TLAD. it's like the writers never even played TLAD and dan houser is like "ok here is johnny from TLAD, make him a methhead and kill him off lol"

 

i hope him and his stupid brother choke on the cocaine they've been snorting all day long. dicks

Maybe it was their way of saying f*ck you to the DLC that nobody bought.

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Tycek

 

...It's also rather unlikely that Johnny seeing Ashley in the gutter would follow her in her footsteps.

Johnny wouldn't get deppressed after TLAD events and start make drugs?

It's not THAT far fetched.

 

With that thinking we can explain everything, but that's not really the point. Also drug fueled Johnny somehow created an army during his trip through the US and managed to completely kick AoD asses on the west coast? Getting into the drugs is that not farfetched if you are on the bottom, but turning into meth Che Guevara, fighting his way through the country and making people to join your revolution is, if all you have is two brothers (very likely also on meth), one drugged up old lady and smart guy on a wheelchair.

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The Deadite

Also drug fueled Johnny somehow created an army during his trip through the US and managed to completely kick AoD asses on the west coast? Getting into the drugs is that not farfetched if you are on the bottom, but turning into meth Che Guevara, fighting his way through the country and making people to join your revolution is, if all you have is two brothers (very likely also on meth), one drugged up old lady and smart guy on a wheelchair.

Yep, i don't have anything against Johnny dying (i even thought he was going to come back for V just to get killed) but the Lost are completly out of character in V, they could have written a less disrepectful and cheap death for him.

 

Maybe it was their way of saying f*ck you to the DLC that nobody bought.

No, alot of people bought EFLC, it's not cool to say such hose jockey.

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Xing of Virtue

 

i've ranted about his death so much it's like a broken record, but yeah. his death was forced, humiliating, and it showed how little the writers cared about TLAD. it's like the writers never even played TLAD and dan houser is like "ok here is johnny from TLAD, make him a methhead and kill him off lol"

 

i hope him and his stupid brother choke on the cocaine they've been snorting all day long. dicks

Maybe it was their way of saying f*ck you to the DLC that nobody bought. Even though millions has still complained about that "f*ck you" nonetheless... Edited by Xing of Virtue

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B Dawg

I would have been fine with Johnny dead if it meant Terry, Clay and the rest of The Lost MC blowing up Trevor's trailer and hunting him down by the end of the game, but instead, they went completely Overkill against The Lost And Damned, which was one of their best games ever!

 

It's Terry and Clay who had the most out of character deaths.

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confederatestatesgta

i will admit they could have given johnny and gang more screen time but here is my theory. i always thought tlad reminded me of red dead redemption sort of. both protagonists were in a gang. only tlad shows you johnnys gang life. johnny killed people and did all those evil things like john marston. they even have the same first name. maybe by the time of gta 5 he realised all the bad things he did so he went soft and stopped killing and just got himself drugged. when he came to trevors place to get ashley he probably wanted to solve it peacfully. he even apologized to trevor. but the thing he did not count on was trevor being a phsyco. when you think about it trevor is like how johnny used to be active, ready to kill. but maybe johnnys death is his redemption. even how ashley grieves for johnny like abigail did. but anyway thats my theory. but i do agree they should have had more johnny scenes leading up to his death but whatever.

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