Official PC Gamers Topic V3

[freak2121]

So, I just saw this article about rumours of Rockstar Games (yes, you read correctly) making a good-quality PC game.

 

http://www.rockstarwatch.net/news/1037/Roc...-on-a-PC-title/

 

I mean, I'm definitely going to buy it if it uses the new RAGE engine - but how it was meant to be at release.. dx10+ and well optimized.

 

 

 

OverTheBelow awaits CharmingCharlie's bad opinion of this.    

Ha yeah 1 PC programmer, that sounds about right, probably going to give the poor sod the entire job of porting RDR to the PC . I no longer really have any interest in any of Rockstars products. Until we actually see a decent PC version being released at the same time as the console versions then they won't see a damn penny out of me. (hey you asked )

I can't remember the last time R* originally released a good PC game. Max Payne (the first one)?

Rockstar published that.

[Reconite]

 

I can't remember the last time R* originally released a good PC game. Max Payne (the first one)?

Actually, Max Payne 1 was originally developed by Remedy Entertainment, produced by 3D Realms and published by Gathering of Developers.

 

Rockstar and Take-Two came into all of this later on.

[CharmingCharlie]

There is just nothing in their current catalogue that really interests me. I see people raving about RDR but to be honest I am not a big fan of westerns so I don't really care about it. I have seen the vids of LA Noire it looks ok but I wasn't exactly blown away with it. Finally there is Max Payne 3, now I loved the Max Payne series but number 3 does not grip me in any way. So it is pretty easy for me to be dismissive of Rockstars stuff since they aren't making anything I am interested in

 

The real test will come when they get round to the next GTA, at the moment I think I would probably go "meh" to even that.

[NinjaWJ]

There is just nothing in their current catalogue that really interests me. I see people raving about RDR but to be honest I am not a big fan of westerns so I don't really care about it. I have seen the vids of LA Noire it looks ok but I wasn't exactly blown away with it. Finally there is Max Payne 3, now I loved the Max Payne series but number 3 does not grip me in any way. So it is pretty easy for me to be dismissive of Rockstars stuff since they aren't making anything I am interested in

 

The real test will come when they get round to the next GTA, at the moment I think I would probably go "meh" to even that.

just because it doesn't interest you doesn't mean it is bad, it really sounds like it in your wording so hopefully i am wrong. I hope LA Noire will be good though but seems like it will have a bunch of cutscenes and not much shooting

[mkey82]

 

Gamers in the EU and the UK are generally charged more for the games that they buy than gamers in the US. Even if they're charged the same number in euros or pounds sterling, since the exchange rate favors them over the US dollar gamers in those regions are still paying more. That's not fair, and GOG.com believes that charging the same price worldwide for all customers makes more sense. Unfortunately, we can't just lower our prices on the preorder to be lower than everyone else in those countries, due to legal reasons. So instead, we've come up with a solution that lets us charge a fair price to everyone while avoiding giving the legal team here at GOG a heart attack. Read on below for details!

 

 

# Is The Witcher 2 really going to be completely DRM free? It's a brand-new game!

 

Yes. We will never sell our customers games with DRM.

 

http://www.gog.com/en/page/tw2_preorder/

[FullMetal]

A PC game from Rockstar? Bullsh*t, total bullsh*t. The only thing I make up from that job ad is that they want someone to port a game and make the game superior when it comes to graphics on the PC platform (considering the superior strength of PC's).

 

Nothing more nothing less... this more or less confirms their 'porting to PC' rather than them (Rockstar) planning on making a PC (exclusive) game which will never happen. Rockstar knows the most dough is made on consoles and they do. Good right but they shouldn't half ass the rest of their customers.

 

Also, quit mentioning Max Payne I shall have to reinstall and play that game yet again then .

[Reconite]

Gamers in the EU and the UK are generally charged more for the games that they buy than gamers in the US. Even if they're charged the same number in euros or pounds sterling, since the exchange rate favors them over the US dollar gamers in those regions are still paying more. That's not fair, and GOG.com believes that charging the same price worldwide for all customers makes more sense. Unfortunately, we can't just lower our prices on the preorder to be lower than everyone else in those countries, due to legal reasons. So instead, we've come up with a solution that lets us charge a fair price to everyone while avoiding giving the legal team here at GOG a heart attack. Read on below for details!

 

 

# Is The Witcher 2 really going to be completely DRM free? It's a brand-new game!

 

Yes. We will never sell our customers games with DRM.

 

http://www.gog.com/en/page/tw2_preorder/

I saw it, very very nice. I just hope people don't see this as a free pass to pirate, gotta support the no-DRM guys.

[Creed Bratton]

Gamers in the EU and the UK are generally charged more for the games that they buy than gamers in the US. Even if they're charged the same number in euros or pounds sterling, since the exchange rate favors them over the US dollar gamers in those regions are still paying more. That's not fair, and GOG.com believes that charging the same price worldwide for all customers makes more sense. Unfortunately, we can't just lower our prices on the preorder to be lower than everyone else in those countries, due to legal reasons. So instead, we've come up with a solution that lets us charge a fair price to everyone while avoiding giving the legal team here at GOG a heart attack. Read on below for details!

 

 

# Is The Witcher 2 really going to be completely DRM free? It's a brand-new game!

 

Yes. We will never sell our customers games with DRM.

 

http://www.gog.com/en/page/tw2_preorder/

Those guys are so awesome. They understand that DRM doesn't mean sh*t and hackers will always find a way around it. I love those guys. I was planning on getting The Witcher 2 anyway but this just puts the game on top of my list of 2011 purchases.

[mkey82]

Sometime in May, if you wait it it shall come.

 

GOG is a CDProjekt service and just yesterday I was thinking about how they could pull a nice surprise on us. I was wrong, they pulled a very nice mega surprise move.

[Reconite]

Those guys are so awesome. They understand that DRM doesn't mean sh*t and hackers will always find a way around it.

Hackers don't crack games.

[Creed Bratton]

 

Sometime in May, if you wait it it shall come.

 

GOG is a CDProjekt service and just yesterday I was thinking about how they could pull a nice surprise on us. I was wrong, they pulled a very nice mega surprise move.

Have you add them to the good list yet?

[CharmingCharlie]

 

just because it doesn't interest you doesn't mean it is bad, it really sounds like it in your wording so hopefully i am wrong. I hope LA Noire will be good though but seems like it will have a bunch of cutscenes and not much shooting

Then you are reading things into something that isn't there, not for one moment did I suggest RDR is "bad". I wouldn't know if RDR is bad I have never played it, I merely stated I have no interest in the game because it is a western. I love Mass Effect by Bioware it is one of my fave franchises, but I do not own Dragons Age also by Bioware because the theme/setting is of no interest to me. That doesn't mean I think Dragons Age is bad it means "I have no interest in that kind of setting/theme".

 

The same goes for LA Noire, I can't say that is good or bad because to be honest I haven't seen anything much of it. We really have no idea what the game actually is, but again I don't really like that kind of setting. So it would have to be something pretty exceptional to encourage me to play LA Noire.

 

As for MP 3 I can't comment on whether it will be good or bad, but it isn't promising that the main character has been changed that much that he doesn't even look like Max Payne any more. If Rockstar ever get back to making games I want to play then I might be interested but their current catalogue does not interest me one bit.

[Creed Bratton]

Those guys are so awesome. They understand that DRM doesn't mean sh*t and hackers will always find a way around it.

Hackers don't crack games.

I'm pretty sure making a crack involves hacking the game executable. Those pirate dudes like RELOADED are hackers. Hackers aren't just people that use hacking skills to steal money from banks and sh*t like that.

[dog_day_sunrise]

Those guys are so awesome. They understand that DRM doesn't mean sh*t and hackers will always find a way around it.

Hackers don't crack games.

I'm pretty sure making a crack involves hacking the game executable. Those pirate dudes like RELOADED are hackers. Hackers aren't just people that use hacking skills to steal money from banks and sh*t like that.

No, a crack is a relatively simple change to the executable file that starts a game that fools it into thinking the CD is in place when it isn't, basically.

Programmers make cracks, not hackers. Hackers bypass security systems in order to steal data.

[Reconite]

Those guys are so awesome. They understand that DRM doesn't mean sh*t and hackers will always find a way around it.

Hackers don't crack games.

I'm pretty sure making a crack involves hacking the game executable. Those pirate dudes like RELOADED are hackers. Hackers aren't just people that use hacking skills to steal money from banks and sh*t like that.

I would bother to explain it to you, but dog_day_sunrise got it pretty much right.

[The-King]

 

Those guys are so awesome. They understand that DRM doesn't mean sh*t and hackers will always find a way around it.

Hackers don't crack games.

I'm pretty sure making a crack involves hacking the game executable. Those pirate dudes like RELOADED are hackers. Hackers aren't just people that use hacking skills to steal money from banks and sh*t like that.

I would bother to explain it to you, but dog_day_sunrise got it pretty much right.

Why would you even bother posting then? Unless you're purposefully trying to act like a useless c*nt and stir sh*t up.

 

Curious though, what about entire game rips? The ones where you just unpack an archive and all the game files are there and it's fully capable of running right off the bat, with no install. There has to be a little more trickery than convincing the executable there's a Disk in the drive when it comes to that, since installers usually write on the registry, among other things.

[dog_day_sunrise]

Curious though, what about entire game rips? The ones where you just unpack an archive and all the game files are there and it's fully capable of running right off the bat, with no install. There has to be a little more trickery than convincing the executable there's a Disk in the drive when it comes to that, since installers usually write on the registry, among other things.

Basically it's programming an executable file (that either contains all the data itself, or has a remote source for the data I.E RAR files or ZIP files) that replicates the installation process on the disk. It's much more complicated that making a no-CD crack, but it doesn't involve anything clandestine until you actually start distributing it- it seems to use much the same system as Apple do with their .DMG self-extracting disk images.

[The-King]

Curious though, what about entire game rips? The ones where you just unpack an archive and all the game files are there and it's fully capable of running right off the bat, with no install. There has to be a little more trickery than convincing the executable there's a Disk in the drive when it comes to that, since installers usually write on the registry, among other things.

Basically it's programming an executable file (that either contains all the data itself, or has a remote source for the data I.E RAR files or ZIP files) that replicates the installation process on the disk. It's much more complicated that making a no-CD crack, but it doesn't involve anything clandestine until you actually start distributing it- it seems to use much the same system as Apple do with their .DMG self-extracting disk images.

Well, not clandestine outside of the fact that in order for such a process to work properly a cracked executable would be necessitated, since using a disk image with such a file wouldn't really be viable and just waste space. Makes sense though, no hacking involved, just some advanced programming and compression trickery.

 

It's nice to know little things like that, makes life more interesting when encountering something and being able to say to yourself "I know how they did that."

[Reconite]

Why would you even bother posting then? Unless you're purposefully trying to act like a useless c*nt and stir sh*t up.

You have problems, man.

[The-King]

 

Why would you even bother posting then? Unless you're purposefully trying to act like a useless c*nt and stir sh*t up.

You have problems, man.

I'm not the one making useless posts in order to talk down on people now am I? Quit with your childish grudges bro, it's getting rather shameless at this point.

 

In non-c*nt related news The Witcher 2 has hit number two on the Steam top sellers charts with the original clocking in at number seven. Seems as if the latest announcement has really stirred up a mass of interest. Feels good seeing amazing franchises get the attention they deserve.

Edited November 19, 2010 by The-King

[Reconite]

Why would you even bother posting then? Unless you're purposefully trying to act like a useless c*nt and stir sh*t up.

You have problems, man.

I'm not the one making useless posts in order to talk down on people now am I? Quit with your childish grudges bro, it's getting rather shameless at this point.

I have no grudges, you just seem a little out of line.

[[SM]CJZera]

So luckly this should be the first crack in the wall that is DRM...

 

And R* is also doing something for the PC? I hope it doesn't use GfWL though... that would be painfully boring...

[GTA!!!]

Those guys are so awesome. They understand that DRM doesn't mean sh*t and hackers will always find a way around it.

Hackers don't crack games.

I'm pretty sure making a crack involves hacking the game executable. Those pirate dudes like RELOADED are hackers. Hackers aren't just people that use hacking skills to steal money from banks and sh*t like that.

No, a crack is a relatively simple change to the executable file that starts a game that fools it into thinking the CD is in place when it isn't, basically.

Programmers make cracks, not hackers. Hackers bypass security systems in order to steal data.

"Crackers" are people who bypass security systems in order to steal data. "Hackers" also includes ethical hacker who exploit system venerabilities to make a system or network more secure. Its the media over the years which has ruined the reputation of term "hacker".

 

On Topic:-

Did anyone read this article. Quite informative:-

http://asia.gamespot.com/features/6283722/...topslot;thumb;3

[The-King]

 

I have no grudges, you just seem a little out of line.

Ok, once again, which one of us made an entire post whose paraphrased contents were "I told you so" when the proper response to the situation was to either not post or post about something relevant/provide new information on the subject at hand? Then proceeded to make more posts attempting to talk down on someone instead of getting back on topic which is exactly what I was working towards. If you weren't holding a grudge you wouldn't have responded the way you did. So I reiterate myself: grow the f*ck up, buddy.

 

I honestly hope it's a port of RDR. Though the truly optimistic side of my is hoping it's for the next GTA installment, to be released on PC alongside the console versions, with full DX11 support... What? I can dream, can't I?

[beavis]

If it's a port of RDR then it's just gonna be buggy, not optimized, and probably as good as GTA IV for the PC.

 

I really hope they have something exclusive for us.

[dog_day_sunrise]

Curious though, what about entire game rips? The ones where you just unpack an archive and all the game files are there and it's fully capable of running right off the bat, with no install. There has to be a little more trickery than convincing the executable there's a Disk in the drive when it comes to that, since installers usually write on the registry, among other things.

Basically it's programming an executable file (that either contains all the data itself, or has a remote source for the data I.E RAR files or ZIP files) that replicates the installation process on the disk. It's much more complicated that making a no-CD crack, but it doesn't involve anything clandestine until you actually start distributing it- it seems to use much the same system as Apple do with their .DMG self-extracting disk images.

Well, not clandestine outside of the fact that in order for such a process to work properly a cracked executable would be necessitated, since using a disk image with such a file wouldn't really be viable and just waste space. Makes sense though, no hacking involved, just some advanced programming and compression trickery.

 

It's nice to know little things like that, makes life more interesting when encountering something and being able to say to yourself "I know how they did that."

All data is, at it's core programming language, is a stream of 0s and 1s. Being able to write programs in basic machine code pretty much enables you to do whatever you want with someone else's data, as long as you can decode it. AFAIK the big executable games that people make just track and trace the way the original CD distributes data across the drive and registry and replicate it, either by storing all the date in the executable file or by holding it in a compressed data file like a Zip or Rar file.

 

Complicated but effective, it's no different from using a CD to install from when it comes down to what the code is achieving, just goes about it a different way,

 

I think.

[mkey82]

Sometime in May, if you wait it it shall come.

 

GOG is a CDProjekt service and just yesterday I was thinking about how they could pull a nice surprise on us. I was wrong, they pulled a very nice mega surprise move.

Have you add them to the good list yet?

CD Projekt is on the list, of course.

 

Does anyone have a D2D UK or US based account? I'm eyeballing that Max Payne collection for a while now, but only possible method of purchase involves fraud... which is kind of sickening.

[FullMetal]

Can't you get it through STEAM or is it that much cheaper through D2D?

 

All I can say is get both Max Payne games. Great titles eventhough some say the second one is 'bad'.

[mkey82]

Those who say the second one is bad are daft.

 

Can't get that game in DD anywhere, it's region locked.

 

Well, there are methods of getting it, but those could be considered fraudulent.

[Creed Bratton]

I always liked Max Payne 2 better than Max Payne 1.