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Journey_95

Can Vice City work without the 80's?

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evd

dude, this guy compared graphics to themes ("social commentary") that GTA was always about.

 

he said "we are bored with american satire, but good level of details is ok, thus VICE CITY in the 80s would be better"

 

just stahp.

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SmokesWithCigs

dude, this guy compared graphics to themes ("social commentary") that GTA was always about.

 

he said "we are bored with american satire, but good level of details is ok, thus VICE CITY in the 80s would be better"

 

just stahp.

What he is saying is if we got a vice city game set in the 80s it would be gta V all over again and he's right also he didn't say he wanted it set in the 80s but in another time period because things would feel fresh btw I don't get your hate for vice city. It is a good game. Miami is a party City filled with clubs and nightlife especially a lot of strip clubs.vice city would be dope in the hi def universe. I don't want to play a depressing fallen dream story in vice city. You can have a game with a good up beat story and without annoying cringeworthy characters and dialogue like v does Edited by SmokesWithCigs

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evd

mate, but you're constantly use IV and V as they were clones. those games cannot be more different.

 

IV has mature story, main character is authentic in things he does and did. where is the cringe? in Brucie's performance? Roman's? They're not a core for the game, just a positive crazyness for the depressing overtone.

 

on the other hand you have V which is colourfull, packed with nice missions, but without the heavy tone. its the opposite for the previous instalment, so how can anybody use those alternately?

 

iV is for older audience, V for younger, yet it has some creepy things in it.

 

and what do I have to VC? nothing, its as good game. but nothing more. its ok, beside the shallow Vercetti, who can appeal to 14 years old with his jokes.

 

and - as you mentioned that VC is party city, ok, i can agree, and as someone who loves music i dont have problem with that. partying is still around. i can see VC as modern setting, with a lot of nightlife. do we have to dump 10 years of creating content for GTA V just becouse you need to have a limitation for those things? there can be a store with 80's themed clothes. a 80's music radio station, old cars in 2017. it doesnt go other way around. its a waste of >100gb of data. is that what you need? artificial nostalgia? thing that blocks a way for connecting those cities? you need that one-time usage product? i dont. i feel its a waste of time and opportunity to created something bigger, than a game from 2003 with better graphics.

 

 

good up beat story about murderers? what is it? ubisoft game? or creators of Manhunt? I dont know how old are You, and dont want to offen you, but you must be very young to reckon VC as NOT BORING (whereas, it has forgetable protag, whitout any baggage, anything that would drive me to fulfill my revenge), and IV BORING? how? was there anything more powerfull in VC story than Niko's anger and grief in last chapter? have you thought about Vercetti as a living person while cracking stupid jokes and genociding? isnt this a hidden reason why this sceries is and should stay M for MATURE, to deliver authentic and emotional content? dude, i cried at The Wedding and after killing Raskalov, becouse there was no relief. the revenge was bitter, not sweet. nothing changed, Roman/Kate was still dead, and nothing will change it, thus it was REMARKABLE ending, not just killing one dude, who put death sentence on us becouse we owe him some silly cash.

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SmokesWithCigs

I like what I like and that's all that matters to me.

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evd

Well, thAts a mature argument pal. Anyone else likes what he likes so he want another microwaved vc schnitzel?

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Doubtful, really. 80's was the golden era for Miami, present day may come off as cheesy. Like what happened with V's LS, the whole overblown in-your-face satire/parody got annoying. It all feels plastic compared to SA's 90s LS atmosphere.

I have never agreed more with someone's comment on here than this one.
I have to respectfully disagree... Miami's atmosphere isn't plastic like say LA for instance.... People here aren't trying to be movie stars and entertainers around every corner like LA is known for... Miami mainly has a retirement/vacation/resort type of deal going on with a bunch of foreign people trying to make a quick American dollar.. Miami's vibe is heavily Caribbean influenced where everyone is still thinking in their homeland mind state... Nobody speaks English here lol

 

We have star-studded Events and Award Shows happening in the same area as 3rd world crimes... Crimes like human trafficking, international drug trade, full fledged "OK Corral" style shoot outs (mainly cops vs civilians), car chases, kidnappings, bank heists, some kinda of government corruption, zombies... And all of this happens daily, no exaggerations....

 

I swear I'm going to make a thread that documents Miami and its daily crimes... Miami resident will agree and know exactly how "GTA" it is out here... Where do you guys get your info from?

 

Not much happens in Modern day Miami

 

Give me something in the past instead

that video is so inaccurate and PC... That's south Beach not Miami they're showcasing.... Also, the first thing he said was like the most BEYOND STUPID statement ever and not a fact at all: "Miami is diverse because of its close proximity to Latin America". Then proceeds to show a Haitian flag. What?!!!??? Ummmm, California, New Mexico & Texas are closer to Latin America than Florida is and also we have a higher Caribbean Latin population than a Latin American one... Mainly Cubans and Dominicans, so that video is out the window....

 

Plus the special is about Biscayne Boulevard... What!!?? That's like expecting gang wars in Beverly Hills... Biscayne is THE major street down the coast line and runs through Downtown... The ONLY reason they chose that street is because that is LITERALLY the only safe avenue in the entire city, they really didn't have much choice... There's nothing but condos on Biscayne. Safe. It's a freakin tourist video, whadda'ya expect?

 

Also, people need to learn IRL South Beach is an island far away from the mainland Miami and is a separate city within the same county.... No crime or anything happens on South Beach except the occasional drunken brawls, celebrity spottings, and (somehow) maybe a shoot out... Mainland Miami is the polar opposite of the party and nightlife you see on TV about South Beach/Miami Beach... sh*t is mostly a war zone and third world-ish

 

I've lived in this city for 30yrs.... It is probably the wildest place in America, honestly.... And I've been to nearly all major cities except for LA and SF...

 

no because the setting will lack a "theme" (not the game, the setting)

 

- gritty, dangerous (III)

- neon, glamoru, sunny 80's (VC)

- "raw", hot dirty 90s (SA)

- cold, run-down concrete jungle (IV)

- bright fake-plastic hollywood style (V)

- humid, tropical, vacation-style (VI)

 

What can a vice city in the 2010s bring on the table?

Plastic looking? done

Sunny city? Done

Run down atmpsphere? Done

I'm not saying you can't set a new game in a modern vice city, but the setting shouldn't be just a new map layout, but a total new (and never dove before) character.

Tropical.... Vice City would essentially be a giant tropical island with a swamp... Humid, tropical, vacation-style... All things we've never had before :^:

 

I've listed themed protagonist choices in a previous post...

 

exactly thank you Miami resident here.

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SmokesWithCigs

mate, but you're constantly use IV and V as they were clones. those games cannot be more different.

 

IV has mature story, main character is authentic in things he does and did. where is the cringe? in Brucie's performance? Roman's? They're not a core for the game, just a positive crazyness for the depressing overtone.

 

on the other hand you have V which is colourfull, packed with nice missions, but without the heavy tone. its the opposite for the previous instalment, so how can anybody use those alternately?

 

iV is for older audience, V for younger, yet it has some creepy things in it.

 

and what do I have to VC? nothing, its as good game. but nothing more. its ok, beside the shallow Vercetti, who can appeal to 14 years old with his jokes.

 

and - as you mentioned that VC is party city, ok, i can agree, and as someone who loves music i dont have problem with that. partying is still around. i can see VC as modern setting, with a lot of nightlife. do we have to dump 10 years of creating content for GTA V just becouse you need to have a limitation for those things? there can be a store with 80's themed clothes. a 80's music radio station, old cars in 2017. it doesnt go other way around. its a waste of >100gb of data. is that what you need? artificial nostalgia? thing that blocks a way for connecting those cities? you need that one-time usage product? i dont. i feel its a waste of time and opportunity to created something bigger, than a game from 2003 with better graphics.

 

 

good up beat story about murderers? what is it? ubisoft game? or creators of Manhunt? I dont know how old are You, and dont want to offen you, but you must be very young to reckon VC as NOT BORING (whereas, it has forgetable protag, whitout any baggage, anything that would drive me to fulfill my revenge), and IV BORING? how? was there anything more powerfull in VC story than Niko's anger and grief in last chapter? have you thought about Vercetti as a living person while cracking stupid jokes and genociding? isnt this a hidden reason why this sceries is and should stay M for MATURE, to deliver authentic and emotional content? dude, i cried at The Wedding and after killing Raskalov, becouse there was no relief. the revenge was bitter, not sweet. nothing changed, Roman/Kate was still dead, and nothing will change it, thus it was REMARKABLE ending, not just killing one dude, who put death sentence on us becouse we owe him some silly cash.

ha ha ha ha you cried for a fictional video game character you wuss! also I wasn't suggesting that we have another vice city I was saying I didn't want one with a heavy tone or a mopey whining protag with baggage like niko or Michael. niko is a buzz kill who has to remind every friend he hangs with that no one grew up poorer than he did. i'm pretty sure there are plenty people who grew up sleeping in cars in America or homeless that would like to beg to differ. he's constantly drones on about the horrors he experienced in war and all of the people he hangs with are just as melancholy weather is packie and his f*cked up family or Dwayne and all of the crazy girls he dates the only people in that game who seem normal are little Jacob, kate, malorie and roman. he spent half the game whining about finding that certain someone and when he finds him he's still not happy no matter what outcome you choose. then theres Michael always whining about how his life didn't turn out how he wanted it to. carrying that baggage about f*cking over his friends

. I wouldn't feel bad that was just him doing what he had to do. not to mention all of the bull sh*t with his idiot family. etc. the next gta doesn't need none of this crap especially a gta set in vice city. rockstar never does the same thing in their games and they never make the same story or concepts so I'm not worried. If they make the next gta in vice city I don't want the story to tie into gta IV or V In any way I don't want to see any characters from iv or V nothing I want a fresh new narrative and setting.thats what this series needs. I don't care about emotional baggage that sh*t is for emo's and I imagine a lot of you sit in your houses or basements in black sweatpants and stay angry at the world. I care about action and gameplay fore most. I've been playing video games for 35 years. these modern game developers take themselves too seriously. these games that are trying too hard to be movies nowadays take themselves too seriously and a lot of you guys on this site take gaming too seriously.

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evd

oh yeah, now you started to insulting?

 

I think I hit the right spot, so the "35+" got angry about not understanding propperly the value of games.

 

you are sad as f*ck, also lying im 100% sure.

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SmokesWithCigs

:orly: o'rly?well at least i dont cry over fictional video game characters. :lol: if any work of fiction in makes you cry turn in your man card automatically. also you're the one who's mad obviously. I simply stated that I didn't agree with your wanting a vice city with a "fallen dream" because I didn't want another gta with a sad sack protagonist. then you swooped in and "started to insulting " me for having an opinion. I tried to close the conversation peacefully by simply stating that I like what I like and that s all that matters because i'm entitled to my opinion yet you continue to argue. you're the one who's mad over something so petty and immature. you're the one whos getting mad and attacking people because they don't like your favorite video game boo frickin hoo. cry me a fanboy river while youre at it. :cool:

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evd

so yeah, it can work without 80s

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LongLiveJojo

I think we should move to a different setting already. Vice City only works in the 80's.

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HeistsActivist

 

I'm really getting tired of people saying Vice City won't be good unless it's in the 80's..... What!? Do you guys think Miami 2015 has become a utopia with a different color scheme/art style since 1984 Miami? I live here! I'm looking out the window right now and it looks just like VC in the 80's.

 

 

Everyone isn't rich in life sooooo.... some people are still driving 80's cars out here... Looks just like VC to me. I still see corrupt cops, junkies, poverty, crime and everything else that makes a good GTA city/story. Nothing changed but the cars... Hipsters here still dress like the 80's. All the buildings on Ocean Drive are still the same color with the same neon lights.. They added a sh*t TON more buildings downtown is all and, even then, they were still built in that same Art Deco style from 84... That area looks like Algongiun/Manhattan now... VCs CBD would be bigger than Los Santos downtown is...

 

 

Mainland Miami is about 90% unsafe and crime-riddled with the island of Miami Beach being 90% safe and peaceful... Perfect ratio for a GTA city. Be on one island if you like the glamour lifestyle or cross the bridge and play in the urban crime areas.....

 

 

As for story, so many possibilities. Protagonist could either be a drug smuggle boss, underworld night club owner, tax/money laundering ring leader, a criminal exile from out of country, a human trafficker, an international spy from Cuba, a member of the Jewish Mob (diamonds), a serial killer out for revenge from Carcer, an illegal car racing/import/export syndicate leader, a hit man from Cottonmouth... All these being actual predominant problems happening right now in Miami.... Miami is an international trade hub, as is NYC and LA, anything can happen. Not so much with the limited outside connections in Chicago, Detroit, Midwest

This!! The cities architecture isnt much different from the 80s. Like nyc still heavily dirty and graffitid up.

 

Being underworld night club owner, or cuban political exile be dope.Cant wait for r* comeback 305.

 

I think GTA VI if in Vice City should have a sort of Need For Speed twist and if we got at least 2 protagonists that'd be cool too. Maybe one character comes from a racing ring and does jobs for characters such as underworld night club owners and cuban political exiles

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Chamberman20

I'm guessing it could. It doesn't seem totally like the 80's.

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xXPinguXx

Although i do love the 80's, i think a Modern Day Vice City would work out. It would feel a bit odd though playing both Vice City Stories and Vice City in the 80's though

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Redolver

It wouldn't work because it just has to have that Scarface,80s miami atmosphere, and most importantly the radio was amazing,i would never want a great game like Vice City to be set in 21 century, i mean try to compare Non-Stop-Pop to Flash FM, i cant imagine playing Vice City with songs that i already heard 8 billion times today, or everybody with their cellphones walking down Starfish Island, just imagine what it would be like walking in Malibu Club without hearing Dance Hall Days...

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Journey_95

It could but it would be boring compared to 80's VC. I wish they would just remake VC lol


:orly: o'rly?well at least i dont cry over fictional video game characters. :lol: if any work of fiction in makes you cry turn in your man card automatically. also you're the one who's mad obviously. I simply stated that I didn't agree with your wanting a vice city with a "fallen dream" because I didn't want another gta with a sad sack protagonist. then you swooped in and "started to insulting " me for having an opinion. I tried to close the conversation peacefully by simply stating that I like what I like and that s all that matters because i'm entitled to my opinion yet you continue to argue. you're the one who's mad over something so petty and immature. you're the one whos getting mad and attacking people because they don't like your favorite video game boo frickin hoo. cry me a fanboy river while youre at it. :cool:

Dude you have GTA:O as your favourite GTA game so your "man card" (wtf) is already gone as well.

 

Nothing wrong with tearing up over fictional video game characters,people do it with movies and tv shows as well. Why would games be different? Especially with a technology we have these days.

Although it hasn't happened with GTA for me, games like TWD S1, The Last of Us and Mass Effect were sad as f*ck at times.

 

Also your definition of what gaming should be is so damm backwards, thank god video game developers aren't stuck in the past like you.

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DIMENSION_J

Sorry for bumping, but now that we're approaching (or at least close to approaching) the 2020s here, I wonder what Vice City would be like in that decade.

For GTA VI, maybe it could show parts of the city that have kept up with modern times while most of it is lagging behind. The 80s still linger there, but only as a faded shell of itself.

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MrAlexxV

YES AND WITH TOMMY!! but same age like in original VC

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wfank

Miami does, so can Vice City !

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iiCriminnaaL 49

It might work, but I personally prefer a past setting rather than modern ones. Not necessary the 80's again. Maybe we can have a 70's setting this time? I doubt that anyway.

 

It's not just the atmosphere, but the crime underworld and drug dealing seemed way more powerful in decades like the 70's, 80's and 90's than they are in the modern days. That feels more interesting to cover.

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Yetinator

I'd prefer the 80's, purely for the music. However I have enough faith in the writers and designers at R* that I think it would work fine in a modern setting as well.

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Money Over Bullshit

Rockstar have stated that they don't think a GTA could work in the current political climate because basically they couldn't parody Trump, due to him being so rediculous. The things is when you're dealing with a city that's minority white there's a perfect atmosphere to draw from how that comedy of errors reflects on the people on the ground. Kind of like a "we're f*cked but it's funny" type of scenario. Not to mention the fact that Florida is one of the craziest places in America. There's definitely a unique hilarity to getting things on the nose and RDR2 has recently shown that you can be representative and still be off the wall. We've also already seen with that game what tropical environments and swampland could actually look like.

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On 3/9/2019 at 6:15 AM, Money Over Bullsh*t said:

Rockstar have stated that they don't think a GTA could work in the current political climate because basically they couldn't parody Trump, due to him being so rediculous. The things is when you're dealing with a city that's minority white there's a perfect atmosphere to draw from how that comedy of errors reflects on the people on the ground. Kind of like a "we're f*cked but it's funny" type of scenario. Not to mention the fact that Florida is one of the craziest places in America. There's definitely a unique hilarity to getting things on the nose and RDR2 has recently shown that you can be representative and still be off the wall. We've also already seen with that game what tropical environments and swampland could actually look like.

No wonder the development time since GTA IV, not counting its expansion, has taken more than 10 years to create just 1 GTA game. 

 

There's not much going on nowadays that would be referenced and portrayed in a cartoonish or satirical way with so much impact that it would be remembered for generations. 

 

Apart from the social media boom, hipsters, pop culture memes and the liberal and conservative media in today's world, compare this to Vice City in the 80s and San Andreas in the 90s, which became the focus of both cities influences to its real life counterparts, there is a tough job for Rockstar Games to live up to its expectations for the future of the GTA series, which has always focused on the parody of the American lifestyle. 

 

I feel bad for the future of the series, because the writers and developers are having a difficult time coming up with the next big thing, maybe that's why GTA Online and Red Dead Redemption 2 are their main sources of income. 

 

Life nowadays is slowly becoming a parody of GTA rather than the opposite, and how we have only noticed it by now. 

 

To answer the question, yes it is possible, but it will be very difficult, as explained above. 

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Money Over Bullshit
16 hours ago, Timcatgt5 said:

No wonder the development time since GTA IV, not counting its expansion, has taken more than 10 years to create just 1 GTA game. 

 

There's not much going on nowadays that would be referenced and portrayed in a cartoonish or satirical way with so much impact that it would be remembered for generations. 

 

Apart from the social media boom, hipsters, pop culture memes and the liberal and conservative media in today's world, compare this to Vice City in the 80s and San Andreas in the 90s, which became the focus of both cities influences to its real life counterparts, there is a tough job for Rockstar Games to live up to its expectations for the future of the GTA series, which has always focused on the parody of the American lifestyle. 

 

I feel bad for the future of the series, because the writers and developers are having a difficult time coming up with the next big thing, maybe that's why GTA Online and Red Dead Redemption 2 are their main sources of income. 

 

Life nowadays is slowly becoming a parody of GTA rather than the opposite, and how we have only noticed it by now. 

 

To answer the question, yes it is possible, but it will be very difficult, as explained above. 

The thing is you never really regard the time you're living in as iconic. People who remember the 80s and 90s first hand are of a different generation so they can kind of appreciate that nostalgia which is definitely why the Housers wanted to do those periods 10 or 20 years after the effect. I mean sure we can kind of look back at GTA IV or even V and chuckle like "Remember we did that" but at that current moment it's just a way of life. I really don't think that this should be a lynchpin and it's actually gotten to a point now when they're mostly looking into the future for inspiration which kind of puts the series into another trajectory altogether.  

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Don't see how shouldn't it. I mean the early-mid 2010s were pretty heavy on 80s nostalgia, and even in this era, where early 90s nostalgia is now taking over, there's still plenty of 80s influences to go around. Hell, if anything, a fictional Miami-based city would look even more advanced and much more embellished in the modern decade.

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Beato_dim

It can. But I would still like a 80s nostalgia trip, perhaps even outside Vice City. Imagine a game set in 80s San Fierro, or instance. And we had too many present-time GTAs in a row anyway.

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The Coconut Kid

I've been following this post for a while and think there's been some good points raised in the last few posts especially.

 

My radical idea is that Vice City needs to be done across two time periods in the next game. I will expand on this in a minute.

 

The current political climate is one that I think is actually very friendly to the heads at Rockstar Games. I think they have just realised that the satire which they have built their latest GTA games around are no longer the average person's foremost source of social commentary. People are engaged now and their old tropes won't do. We live in an age of Facebook and Twitter and 24-hour-news and social commentary can now evolve in an instant and at a massive scale -- either through truthful reporting or "fake news". There is no reason that Rockstar can't look to this phenomenon and use it as inspiration. Where they need to be clever is how they apply this inspiration. This is where the two time periods would come into play.

 

Vice City can work without the 80s. It could arguably work in a time period as early as the 1960s or the 1970s or a more advanced decade like the 1990s or early millennium. What Vice City can't work without is a sense of history and an established criminal ecosystem. The past setting should be used to establish both of these things and inform a social commentary of Rockstar's own creation. Not only would the social parodies created within the game evolve at their own pace rather than that dictated by an ever changing society, it would also enable them to explain through words of their own making why Vice City evolves as the drug/crime capital of their game world and explore what conditions (criminal and social) drive people to compete to rise to the top of this.

 

I feel like it would be absolutely magic to slip a second disk into your console and step into what seems like another world but is actually one your own character helped create. And then a combination of intelligent satire and a second protagonist come along and dismantle it all. Could be as heartbreaking and genre defining as Red Dead.

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LostSoul 301281

I don't think multiple time periods will work, unless they do something like the prolog to GTA V and set the opening in one time period and the rest of the game in the present.

Even better if they did something like set a prolog in 80's or 90's Liberty City and then moved to present day Vice City, for example.

 

As for will Vice City work outside of the 80's.

Yes.

It's all about taking what is relevant now and basing it in a particular city. And that can work very well in a city based on Miami.

 

Basically, if a modern day version of Los Santos worked, why couldn't a modern day Vice City?

GTA: SA was as much about its time period as it was the location.

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