I'm the only one who hates Michael?

[Peachrocks]

 

I think it's during the last heist (obvious approach) that when escaping from the cops you hear him say "It's ok. If we're caught, we pin the whole thing on Trevor." That was the final straw for me. I remember saying "f*ck this guy!" out loud when I heard that.

Who the f*ck could blame him? Trevor is a real piece of work and a worthless piece of sh*t. I would've killed him if I felt Option C wasn't canon. He's just awful, his personality- he just f*cks everything up. Why couldn't we have gotten a subtle maniac? Somebody who's sane but a complete maniac when provoked? I don't care what anybody says, that is way more badass than some over-the-top idiot who doesn't bathe and looks like a 10 year old thought him up.

 

 

So this. I knew one of the options was to kill Trevor and I was pleased. At first because in the manner he killed Johnny which also felt like a 10 year wrote it because they thought Johnny was stupid and whiny, then made Trevor even more whiny for extremely stupid reasons. 'People always abandon me boohoo'. Yeah well maybe if you stop doing things they tell you NOT to do that piss them off over and over and put them in terrible positions, maybe people wouldn't abandon you...

 

Unfortunately when it actually came time to kill Trevor it was the only time in the whole story in made 0 sense to kill him. Trevor comes back in Michael's life and is a problem for Dave and Michael? Why not kill him? Trevor kidnaps Patricia Madrazo and forces Michael into exile? Why not kill him and bring his head to Martin as a peace offering... There's others but these are the most obvious. Still, when you finally DO get a choice to kill him, it makes zero sense to do so and it won't solve anything. The FIB is still an issue, Weston is still an issue, it's the only time in the whole damn plot where killing Trevor achieves nothing and that's when you DO get to kill him. If you dislike Michael, killing him here is even less logical.

 

On Michael himself, I don't know, he's most definitely a cliche but all three characters are, I don't think Franklin and Michael are terrible characters, just... flawed and somewhat incomplete but I think this is largely due to the 3 active protags at one time thing. They couldn't make any one character seem 'too' empowered but in trying to 'balance' Trevor or whatever you want to call what they did, it caused a lot of problems... I blame a lot of the stories problems on Trevor and their terrible attempts at trying to make his... motivations justified while at the same time attempting to appease to the 'omg lolz1111!!!!' crowd.

 

Michael is the whole 'failed father, spoiled kids, rich and miserable, unsure what to do with himself, feels useless'. I don't mind him, and I understand his struggle, he sees a shrink, who is making his problems worse by mostly saying things that aren't actually helping Michael understand himself but of course, he's stringing him along on a scam and Michael is unsure of what the truth is anymore.

 

Most of all though he's trying to improve himself but has no idea how and in his attempts to do stuff to make himself useful he causes more problems especially because doing what he does is the only way he knows how to be useful which of course causes problems. He's a man who makes all the wrong choices too and even now, even after the plot he's still making wrong choices in dealing with his family, less so then before, but it's still quite strong. It's the classic vicious cycle, which of course is a massive cliche.

Edited September 20, 2015 by Peachrocks

[Capricornus]

The funny thing about this thread is that earlier on, when GTA V was first revealed, about 95% of the forum fell completely in love with Michael, who was then only known as "Balcony Guy". That was obviously before we played as him in game. Even as ore detail emerged, he was still very well beloved. Oddly enough, I LOVE Franklin and he's my absolute favorite out of the 3, with Trevor being a close 2nd. I wouldn't go as far as saying that I hate Michael, but he is my least favorite of the 3 and I use him the least. I just could never get into him. Ned Luke did an excellent job in delivering lines but yeah.

[woggleman]

I like Michael because he is a microcosm of the average modern day male. So are Trevor and Franklin to a lesser extent but Michael is a deep character.

[fac316]

Michael would've been more liked if they didn't try to do the tony soprano dysfunctional family thing. Seriously I wish his family was option D lol.

[morty_pwns_noobz]

I hate Micheal. They should of made the game with the playables as Lester,Lamar,or at least made Franklin

less boring, and also why not continue Sweets life from SA.Anyway back to Micheal 1.Hes insane for a father he doesnt punish his kids besides being an asshole. IMO he deserved them walking out on him. He smokes weed took Jimmy to a deal nd dodnt just teach him a lesson. Yes it was a twist but it only made his ego worse. His daughter did blow nd he barely cared,he always talks about his sh*tty child hood and how his kids have advantages that he didnt rockstar shouldve made him get off his ass right away and fix this sh*t. 2 In the start of the game he gets his freind killed and almost got Trevor killed for what hes just as bad.All for a sh*tty deal with the fib which f*cks up the story.3 He always claims hes retired but doesnt mean it seriously the first moments hes in the game he ruins Simeons relationship with Franklin. Then he pulls a f*ckin deck down a mountain. Im dissapointed Trevor atleast displays insanity witjout complaining. I just wish they did more with the story sanandreas had a way better story step it up rockstar i want gta 6 to atleast link up with sanandreas or iv

[UshaB]

They should of made the game with the playables as Lester,Lamar,

 

Hahaha ^This guy.

 

Everything else you said good though.

[Official General]

I like Michael because he is a microcosm of the average modern day male. So are Trevor and Franklin to a lesser extent but Michael is a deep character.

Lol you're not serious.

 

Michael has a lot going on in his story, but that does not equate to him being deep. There is nothing about him to suggest he's deep. The only deep character in GTA for me was Niko - he was a character that Rockstar clearly put a lot and thought and effort into, when you compare him to Michael.

 

To say Michael is deep is so laughable.

Edited September 21, 2015 by Official General

[Fuzzknuckles]

Michael is as deep as a gobbit of spit.

Edited September 21, 2015 by Fuzzknuckles

[Official General]

Mistake

Edited September 21, 2015 by Official General

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

 

Michael? Deep?

 

[shaval5321]

 

Why don't you just kill off one of them if you hate them so much? Lol

Because I firmly believe ending C to be canon, and because I felt and still feel that had I removed anything from the end game, it would have suffered in minor ways. Such as losing access to Michael's house, or his vehicle, or his customisation options, or his properties. Same for Trevor. I dislike them both but I'd rather they were still there and accessible for the sake of completion. They're optional, so once I'd bought everything post-game, they became, essentially, dead. Other than for the purposes mentioned earlier.

 

 

Fuzzknuckles..you actually prefer Franklin

 

he is the worst

No. No, you're the worst.

 

I'm not going to explain in detail again, but as I've said, he is the one I find it easiest to tolerate. I don't like any of them, they're all flimsy characters, but I find playing as Franklinginging preferable to playing as Michael or Trevor. It's not like I sit there thinking "oh yeah, playing as the frankling, this is some good time sh*t because I'm playing as the frankling!"

 

It's just that of the three, he's the least of a dick.

 

A-rson

B-etrayal

C-anon

[Acidworm]

Michael is a selfish, pig. He is a bad husband and a bad father as he only cares about himself. He is also a bad friend to Trevor. He has a big me-me complex thinking the world revolves around him and is wallowing in self-pity. He is enjoyable to play but my least favorite of the 3. His family is incredibly annoying, especially Jimmy. All Jimmy does is whine, and feels entitled to everything, and just wants to sit around smoking weed, playing CoD all day shouting obscenities at everyone online. Fits the CoD profile kiddie pretty much to the T. Also a wannabe-gangsta but just a loser instead. Tracey is just a high maintenance trashy hoe who thinks the world revolves around her like a typical teenager and seems like she needs to be the center of attention. The wife is a hypocritical, snobbish, bitch of a housewife. And don't get me started on the Yoga instructor. If I was Michael i'd be all screwed up as well if I had such a horrible family.

 

Trevor is my favorite. He is probably the worst human being out of the 3 but he does respect friendship, unlike Michael. His missions are often the most enjoyable ones with plenty of stuff to shoot and blow up and I love his commentary. It has me laughing a lot.

 

Franklin is the best human being out of the 3 but also the most boring as others have said. He is the most down to earth (for a criminal), though I agree with his ex that he cares about himself more than his friends and that is why she left him but his friends are just gangbangers and crack heads so it is understandable he wants to move away from that environment as he is quite ambitious. Not a whole lot else to say about him. I do enjoy the banter between him and Lamar.

Edited October 12, 2015 by Acidworm

[Rocket Skates]

I agree. He was my least favorite in this game and probably overall. Like you said I always find him whining and bitching about something, usually his family. His story was boring and totally forgettable. And I don't want to hear a criminal of his stature telling his family he loves them when you're near them in game either. To compare him to Tommy V is a sin.

[Algonquin Assassin]

On the bright side he's still way better than Trevor.

[NikoBellicGTAIV]

On the bright side he's still way better than Trevor.

You tryin' to start a war here, Mr. Pulp?

[gooeyhole]

 

On the bright side he's still way better than Trevor.

You tryin' to start a war here, Mr. Pulp?

 

All the bad parts of the story are going through Trevor Phillips enterprise or they ain't goin'!

[thafablifee46]

Yeah michael sucks

[El Tigre chino]

I'm having second thought on who's more of a villan tommy or Michael ?

[theGTAking101]

I know a lot of people hate him, and a lot like him. I'm one of those people who think he's amazing.

[The Dedito Gae]

On the bright side he's still way better than Trevor.

He's actually not, Trevor is like a episode of Jackass, Michael is a more annoying episode of Married with Children, both are bad but only one is somewhat fit for gta.

 

I really can't understand what you see in this f*cking guy, Pulp.

 

I know a lot of people hate him, and a lot like him. I'm one of those people who think he's amazing.

What is so amazing about him?

He's not cool or well written, i could like him if his family or personality was likeable or tolerable, but is not.

Edited October 13, 2015 by Midnight Hitman

[AndyC-M]

michael is my favourite character.

 

many protags are all the same, young and looking for the earner any way possible, like franklin, but with michael, we know hes been there, hes got the experience and knowledge, he wants to get out of the hole that has dragged him and his family down, but keeps getting sucked in my demons like trevor and the corrupt police

[UshaB]

To me, Michael is like that character in a movie whose skill-set is talked up and that character doesn't live up to their reputation. The, "most wanted man in America" and, "Quite a trophy back in the day". It reminds me of those old cowboy movies where people talk up the so called bad-ass cowboy but their actions don't parallel with their status. A lot of talk the talk but no walk the walk.

[Algonquin Assassin]

He's actually not, Trevor is like a episode of Jackass, Michael is a more annoying episode of Married with Children, both are bad but only one is somewhat fit for gta.

I really can't understand what you see in this f*cking guy, Pulp..

Since I saw Michael in the first trailer there was always something about him I loved from the very start. He just brings an "experience" quality along with him.

 

I too find his family annoying, but there's no doubt it's a different dynamic not usually seen in a GTA game.

 

Niko's still the man, but I've come to really like Michael so much I would put him in my top three. Yes he's a back stabbing snitch, a selfish asshole etc, but that's why I like him.

 

I guess if you can't understand what I see in him it's probably similar to how I can't understand what others see in Trevor quite frankly.

Edited October 13, 2015 by PulpFiction

[Osho]

For some reason I find him perfect to roleplay in GTA V for whatever satisfying moments I can make out as Michael within any given time, than F or T.

At first, I used to hate him and stick with T and F only for roleplaying but now I hate Trevor and Franklin because they all seem to keep reminding about the lacking potential for serious gameplay possibilities other than just the same sh*t done in the past titles.

Its here, I found M a breath if fresh air as if the game was created for him. About his family ..meh. I couldn't give less of a sh*t, and not that hard to ignore them.

So. I always stick with the gameplay as him. His special ability is cool.

 

Franklin sucks! CJ is 10000000x better than this lazy dude.

So yeah, I feel bad for OP.

[Official General]

On the bright side he's still way better than Trevor.

Easily.

 

I use Franklin the most, but Michael is my second favourite out of a bad bunch. I still don't like his family drama stuff - it is corny, annoying, and certainly not amusing either. However he's certainly level-headed and charismatic enough to use for good RP in the game. There is enough decent material in his story and character the play out a decent RP, while avoiding his family as much as I can and not thinking about the boring FIB and corny Hollywood sh*t too much in the story mode. Trevor is just a sheer waste of protagonist space for many reasons I can't be bothered to go into right now. I get what you mean about the snake character thing Pulp, I kinda like that about him too, it's like he's a conniving, slithery bastard but he still tries to mean well. I like the contrast and struggled he has with this.

 

By the way slightly off-topic, but can anyone explain why I was able to get the Combat Pistol as Michael before the Dead Man Walking mission that unlocks it ? I can't remember how or why that happened. Currently playing it on the PS4 in 2nd play through.

Edited October 13, 2015 by Official General

[The Dedito Gae]

I guess if you can't understand what I see in him it's probably similar to how I can't understand what others see in Trevor quite frankly.

It says something about our personalities placing a mediocre V protag in our top three despite their awful personalities, i always kinda felt related to you, guess you are Vincent Vega while i am Victor Vega kinda type....

 

Also, i will never forgive you for prefering Michael over Tommy.

Franklin sucks! CJ is 10000000x better than this lazy dude.

So yeah, I feel bad for OP.

lolno

But is ok, feel bad for everyone who has a different opinion, i'm sure it helps to get around the fact that not everyone feels the same that you.

 

By feeling bad, I wasn't talking about CJ but for hating Michael.

My post still aplies, that post was also poorly phrased. Edited October 13, 2015 by Midnight Hitman

[Osho]

By feeling bad, I wasn't talking about CJ but for hating Michael.

[hyperar]

I wish we could

kill both of them at the end, instead of one or the other.

I hate both M because he's a f*cking traitor, and T is the worst kind of character... he's made for the 12 years old to like him.

Edited October 13, 2015 by hyperar

[HaythamKenway]

Since I saw Michael in the first trailer there was always something about him I loved from the very start. He just brings an "experience" quality along with him.

I too find his family annoying, but there's no doubt it's a different dynamic not usually seen in a GTA game.

 

Niko's still the man, but I've come to really like Michael so much I would put him in my top three. Yes he's a back stabbing snitch, a selfish asshole etc, but that's why I like him.

 

I guess if you can't understand what I see in him it's probably similar to how I can't understand what others see in Trevor quite frankly.

Exactly. Michael's strenght is in that he isn't written to be inherently likable. He isn't the textbook type of a symphatetic, retalable character to easily connect with. He's a complicated individual, an egotistical liar, manipulator. He embodies that weird dissonance between GTA protag in the story and a GTA protag controlled by the player, as his nature is destructive, yet he retains that moral compass of characters like Niko or Vic, so he spends his life in hell of denial and guilt.

 

But either way, he's still a human being, he has redeeming qualities, he wants to build that better future for himself and his family, once he finally figures out what the hell he wants that future to be. His arc is one of self-discovery. And if you put the "Kill Trevor" ending into equation, which is my favorite, his story becomes beautifully tragic and ties well into V's themes or resignation and powerlessness, as all that development and change is undone and by his own hand (which makes A more poignant than B, where it's Franklin, who denies Michael the peace he seeked).

 

I believe making V's protags so challenging to the player and unlikable was the point. We were supposed to look at them with our own eyes and make our own judgement, while previously Houser and co. tried to ease our way into the game world and the story with protags we were quick to root for. That sure didn't work perfectly (I think Trevor's wacky OTT antics are there mostly to make him more acceptable for the audience), but Michael and even Franklin delivered in this regard.

[The Dedito Gae]

...His arc is one of self-discovery. And if you put the "Kill Trevor" ending into equation, which is my favorite, his story becomes beautifully tragic and ties well into V's themes or resignation and powerlessness, as all that development and change is undone and by his own hand (which makes A more poignant than B, where it's Franklin, who denies Michael the peace he seeked)...

Yeahh, sorry, but everytime people lists the interesting aspects of Michael, i can't help to disagree, A ending completly kills Michael character for me, i still remember how he tried to guiltrip Franklin for killing Trevor, even though he helped (and kills him if you wait enough) i get it, Trevor is a mean man that only 12 year old likes, but what about Steve Haines and Devin Weston?

Devin send a deathsquad and Steve blackmailed and bossed Michael all over the story, in which scenario is this the best ending?

That ending only amplifies his undesirable qualities (his hypocrite and "poor little me" attitude) if i get an ending where Trevor happens to kill everyone for meth and rapes Chop, i'll be damned if i said i like because it fits his LULZY#RANDOM#CRAZZY attitude, it would just make it worst.

Edited October 13, 2015 by Midnight Hitman