Oh, Rockstar...

[slimeball supreme]

Wow, I sure do hate that Garbage Online.

 

You know, the relatively well received Online to GTA V with a big seperate fanbase.

 

You know, the thing that a lot of people like, you special snowflakes. If you're going to resort to generalisations and name calling, grow up.

[PenisCatcher]

GTA Online sucks dick and is sh*t! It's also very bad.

[Flachbau]

At this point, many of us don't even care about Online. I like the fact that you can mod things on PC, but it's not stable. I think with every update, they change something, or the format of some files is changed.

[Osho]

A true first person view would offer better gameplay throughout, such as new tactics and options to employ against A.I. I did try to stick to the FP as long as possible throughout my 100% achievement walkthrough. It was just not possible for me to continue playing in FP. TPV gives a very nice comfort level to pass through many aggressive situations when facing cops, and even when driving.

I found the FP simply an optional view for immersion to observe the details and taking a set of beautiful pictures.

How can I assure myself that the inclusion for FP was anything but not to appease the COD crowd, and popular First person SP shooters in general, like Far Cry, etc.???

Because outside the immersion requirements, I hardly bother switching to FP even while shooting. I didn't find any advantage during gameplay using FPV that would make the game different in challenge rather than annoying and uncomfortable. It would have been really cool had they offered an, in depth TPV gameplay by using the NG opportunity to improve the standards of the third person gameplay, with the new updated stealth, better AI, more missions, better version of the car handling and environmental damage physics, in comparison to taking up quite a bit more effort and time for something that I hardly ever used nor wanted in GTA to begin with.

I remember, they mentioned about improvments to some of the things I just mentioned but to my surprise I didn't really experience much improvements, namely, in the areas of AI and the vehicle damage.

The A.I part was later removed from the Steam page and not available anymore as advertised before the release.

[Official General]

 

 

everything woggleman stated in defending Rockstar is completely irrelevant to the fact that many people are disappointed with V.

 

Setting aside your obsession with attempting to sh*t on whatever woggleman has to say despite him repeatedly remaining calm and not biting to your childish, aggressive baiting, you know what is truly irrelevant? Your consistent, stubborn reluctance to acknowledge that V was a critical success amongst the fans. This whole 'oh V was aimed at the new wave' crap is something I've proved against as much times as I care to establish a new pizza topping combination. You have this constant habit to say 'me and many others', yet you and 'many others' are a tiny minority in comparison to those who purchased, played, enjoyed, and either still love to play the game or have simply moved on with their lives. I've been here before, and I'm aware this is a forum, but why oh f*cking why do the same people who apparently don't care about this game anymore insist on talking about it? Criticism and disappointment is one thing, repeatedly saying the same sh*t for two years whilst trying to put forth you unhappiness as some universal opinion for two bloody years is quite something else.

 

I think he might be obsessed with me. I simply said my rating for V and he wanted to argue with me. I am quite honored actually.Lol no I'm not obsessed with you woggleman. I have no real issue with you despite the fact we disagree on many things. Dont take it personal, but I feel you like to generalise and make too many baseless claims with little to zero credibility. And often, they dont make logical sense. So I just like to counter and deconstruct them. There have been many times we have agreed on other things too. You STILL the repeat the exact same line (you know what I'm talking about) and I cant be bothered to respond to it these days, if you notice I only started recently responding to your posts because you have been slowly moving away from that same line. So no, dont take it personally, John Smith is just getting his knickers in a twist because I'm always counter-arguing with one of his favorite fellow V defenders. Edited September 26, 2015 by Official General

[woggleman]

Two years later the game is still selling a lot of copies. This is sustained popularity so a lot of people still are playing because why would somebody buy a game they don't plan on playing. If people don't like it then fine but by all standards it is a massive success outside of this forum. It is selling way more than brand new DLC at the time for IV so the numbers don't lie. Any way you slice it there are many many people who still like and get much enjoyment out of V.

[Osho]

Two years later the game is still selling a lot of copies. This is sustained popularity so a lot of people still are playing because why would somebody buy a game they don't plan on playing. If people don't like it then fine but by all standards it is a massive success outside of this forum. It is selling way more than brand new DLC at the time for IV so the numbers don't lie. Any way you slice it there are many many people who still like and get much enjoyment out of V.

Yup. That's why they are focusing more on the Onlines development and avoid to speak anything about the SP DLC, because many are getting much enjoyment out of GTA V SP.

[woggleman]

 

Two years later the game is still selling a lot of copies. This is sustained popularity so a lot of people still are playing because why would somebody buy a game they don't plan on playing. If people don't like it then fine but by all standards it is a massive success outside of this forum. It is selling way more than brand new DLC at the time for IV so the numbers don't lie. Any way you slice it there are many many people who still like and get much enjoyment out of V.

Yup. That's why they are focusing more on the Onlines development and avoid to speak anything about the SP DLC, because many are getting much enjoyment out of GTA V SP.

 

If nobody is enjoying it then why are they picking a ton of new players everyday. They focus on online because it is 2015 and online is a huge part of gaming.

[Maibatsu545]

Yes, all the continuing sales and revenue from V definitely tell them, "stop it or you're f*cked!"

I said long term, man your reading comprehension sucks. Probably got misread in your rush to reply and defend R* in a blind fanboy rage Edited September 26, 2015 by Maibatsu545

[Official General]

Two years later the game is still selling a lot of copies. This is sustained popularity so a lot of people still are playing because why would somebody buy a game they don't plan on playing. If people don't like it then fine but by all standards it is a massive success outside of this forum. It is selling way more than brand new DLC at the time for IV so the numbers don't lie. Any way you slice it there are many many people who still like and get much enjoyment out of V.

Again - STILL does not change the fact that V is a disappointment in many areas and failed to live up to its massive expectations and fully realize it's potential.

 

Justin Beiber sells millions of copies and I'm willing to bet you don't listen to his plastic pop music or highly rate it (or do you ?).

Edited September 26, 2015 by Official General

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

Two years later the game is still selling a lot of copies. This is sustained popularity so a lot of people still are playing because why would somebody buy a game they don't plan on playing. If people don't like it then fine but by all standards it is a massive success outside of this forum. It is selling way more than brand new DLC at the time for IV so the numbers don't lie. Any way you slice it there are many many people who still like and get much enjoyment out of V.

 

Give it a read, or at least a skim:

I don't want to take a steaming pile of sh*t on V but defending it with claims like "It was a success" or "It got high ratings" or "They made a lot of money" doesn't really mean a damn thing. It really doesn't. Just because something makes a lot of money doesn't mean that it's a quality product. I'm not saying that V isn't but saying V is brilliant hands down because it made this much money is a lot like saying BMW is better than Audi because BMW sells more cars. Not everything is about sales.

 

It seems all people care about today are the numbers. Oh a car has got to do 0-60 in under X seconds or else it sucks, oh we've gotta sell this many iPhones, this music video must be good because it almost has a billion views.

 

It's pathetic. People see things so plainly these days. Everything is about quantity, quality isn't that important anymore.

 

It's pathetic.

 

So keep em coming with your sales figures and ratings, all I'm going to say is that it doesn't mean a damn thing. Use your brain and think for yourself. Don't let other people, ratings, or numbers think for you. That's unacceptable.

I'll add to that. I don't know why you always bring up "Outside of this forum" as if I'd really give a damn. We're on this forum, I don't care what goes on outside of this forum V-wise. Outside of this forum people get bashed and in some cases banned just for criticizing the game even a little bit. You want that? Take your ass on to iGTA5 and deal with their sh^tty, bigoted, and incompetent staff and childish members. That's not how it works down here and if it did, I'd give the staff a piece of my mind and be on my way, so why should I care? Stop bringing up "Outside of this forum" because it also doesn't mean a damn thing.

Edited September 26, 2015 by Scaglietti

[Geralt of Rivia]

 

 

Who still plays V?

Tens of thousands of people on PC alone?

 

Sure people still play V but is it the same 50 million who bought the game?...I mean...

 

...What point are you trying to make, exactly?

 

EDIT: Maibatsu545: I was too. What exactly points to bad longterm sales? The good longterm sales now? Lol. Try harder.

Edited September 26, 2015 by Geralt of Rivia

[Sonny_Black]

Two years later the game is still selling a lot of copies. This is sustained popularity so a lot of people still are playing because why would somebody buy a game they don't plan on playing. If people don't like it then fine but by all standards it is a massive success outside of this forum. It is selling way more than brand new DLC at the time for IV so the numbers don't lie. Any way you slice it there are many many people who still like and get much enjoyment out of V.

"Two years later the game is still selling a lot of copies"

 

And ? Whats that supposed to mean ?

[woggleman]

 

Two years later the game is still selling a lot of copies. This is sustained popularity so a lot of people still are playing because why would somebody buy a game they don't plan on playing. If people don't like it then fine but by all standards it is a massive success outside of this forum. It is selling way more than brand new DLC at the time for IV so the numbers don't lie. Any way you slice it there are many many people who still like and get much enjoyment out of V.

"Two years later the game is still selling a lot of copies"

 

And ? Whats that supposed to mean ?

 

Everybody here is saying how much of a failure V is and how all the fans hate so if that is the case then why is there still such strong interest in it. If it was really that hated by the fans why is it still doing so well?

[Sonny_Black]

Huhh because the fan dont play ? most of them

Edited September 26, 2015 by shqrk

[King Vercetti]

I love how people want to say the sales figures are irrelevant because they doesn't imply quality. While that is fairly true, it does clearly prove that the game is still doing very well and that the majority DO like the game. Not sure why that hurts so many people's feelings here, unless they are just jealous their new open world game isn't doing as well as GTA V. Oh wait... Lol

[woggleman]

I love how people want to say the sales figures are irrelevant because they doesn't imply quality. While that is fairly true, it does clearly prove that the game is still doing very well and that the majority DO like the game. Not sure why that hurts so many people's feelings here, unless they are just jealous their new open world game isn't doing as well as GTA V. Oh wait... Lol

Exactly. It doesn't imply quality but it shows that clearly many, many people disagree with this forum. People keep saying that R disrespected their fans but a lot of fans seem quite happy with it.

[MyName'sJeff]

Huhh because the fan dont play ? most of them

Pahahah. Hah. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA.

 

 

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

I love how people want to say the sales figures are irrelevant because they doesn't imply quality. While that is fairly true, it does clearly prove that the game is still doing very well and that the majority DO like the game. Not sure why that hurts so many people's feelings here, unless they are just jealous their new open world game isn't doing as well as GTA V. Oh wait... Lol

Read my post please.

 

I don't want people to feel like V was a disappointment just because I have qualms with it. You know me, I don't hate the game, I just spent 2 hours straight cruising around Los Santos in a T20 enjoying every second of it.

[Zello]

 

 

Two years later the game is still selling a lot of copies. This is sustained popularity so a lot of people still are playing because why would somebody buy a game they don't plan on playing. If people don't like it then fine but by all standards it is a massive success outside of this forum. It is selling way more than brand new DLC at the time for IV so the numbers don't lie. Any way you slice it there are many many people who still like and get much enjoyment out of V.

"Two years later the game is still selling a lot of copies"

 

And ? Whats that supposed to mean ?

 

Everybody here is saying how much of a failure V is and how all the fans hate so if that is the case then why is there still such strong interest in it. If it was really that hated by the fans why is it still doing so well?

 

It's selling to people who haven't bought the game yet or played it the first time

I got IV in 2010 because I didn't have a 360 in 2008

Unless the people buying it already have the game? Why would you buy the same thing twice, three times, four times?

Edited September 26, 2015 by Zello

[rjmthe2nd]

Freemium game? This ain't DC Universe Online BAAAAABBBBYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[King Vercetti]

 

I love how people want to say the sales figures are irrelevant because they doesn't imply quality. While that is fairly true, it does clearly prove that the game is still doing very well and that the majority DO like the game. Not sure why that hurts so many people's feelings here, unless they are just jealous their new open world game isn't doing as well as GTA V. Oh wait... Lol

Read my post please.

 

I don't want people to feel like V was a disappointment just because I have qualms with it. You know me, I don't hate the game, I just spent 2 hours straight cruising around Los Santos in a T20 enjoying every second of it.

 

 

 

Sorry Scaglietti, my post wasn't meant to be aimed at you particularly. I know you don't hate the game, but I wouldn't despise you if you did. I know we've had some disagreements as well, but you're fine in my book, you actually debate and not just blindly attack everyone that disagrees. You're one of the good ones. I just spent an hour just cruising around in my Cheetah listening to the radio and relaxing. That's the very opposite of what GTA is "supposed to be about", but I don't care, it's fun!

[Official General]

I love how people want to say the sales figures are irrelevant because they doesn't imply quality. While that is fairly true, it does clearly prove that the game is still doing very well and that the majority DO like the game. Not sure why that hurts so many people's feelings here, unless they are just jealous their new open world game isn't doing as well as GTA V. Oh wait... Lol

Like thay guy Zello said, a majority of the people who found V disappointing probably already own the game or have played it. It's more than likely people still buying the game are those who have not yet played it. People who've played V already are not gonna keep on buying it, so your point isn't really proving anything. Some, but not everyone who liked and owned it on LG consoles, it bought it for NG consoles again. And no one ever expected V to have weak sales, it's the most hyped and anticipated game ever in recent times - who would have known before its release the high level of criticism, backlash and feelings of disappointment it would later receive among elements of the GTA community ? No one, because nobody had played and finished obviously. So it was always gonna sell millions, it's still GTA, no one ever disputed that, not even the games most sternest critics like myself.

 

I'll say it again, I don't care if sold one billion copies - the changes nothing about my opinion of the game and it proves nothing to alter it at the same time. Whenever people quote sales figures I normally just switch off, because it's not relevant in the remotest to my criticisms of the game. Very rarely I respond to sales figures talk, every now and then like now, I'll reiterate my position on the subject.

[King Vercetti]

I'm not disputing any of that because you are right. But so am I. That's what kills me about this place these days, is that every side has a fair point, but the dumb debate continues. Lol it just occured to me that this and the Rate GTA V thread are about the only thing getting any attention on the forum for the past few days, and we have made no progress yet. The people that like the game still do, the people that hate the game still do, and it feels like we are stuck in some hilarious circle where each side keeps attacking the other.

 

I'll just go ahead and repeat what's been said countless times. The majority like GTA V and still think it's a great game, regardless of the fact that they think it failed in certain areas. The people that seem angry that new fans are entering the series, possibly for the first time, and that the game is still selling, have yet to give a good reason why that should bother them. I just think it's funny that's all. Some of you seem like it's your life's mission to drag the game through the mud, ,and if anyone says otherwise, they are automatically labelled a fanboy. I love how it's so wrong to like something just because some loud minority disagrees with you. Again, this is in general, not aimed at any particular person here (this second paragraph, anyway).

 

And again, yeah it's amusing that IV got this exact same level of trashing when it came out before everyone decided to start singing its praises once V came along. This place is frankly hilarious.

[Official General]

The people that seem angry that new fans are entering the series, possibly for the first time, and that the game is still selling, have yet to give a good reason why that should bother them.

Lol if you mean on this forum then I beg to differ, because I cetainly don't see this. If anything, on this forum there is are more and more new critics of V popping up thick and fast. There is a constant stream of new threads each week bashing or criticising V, at least two a week, if not more. And guess what ? It's always a new member or a member making a first topic.

 

As for people being angry for the reasons you gave above, I think your imagination is running a bit to wild. Most critics are directing any anger they have at Rockstar for messing the game and taking the series down an unconventional route to its possible demise and fall from grace - not fans who love it.

Edited September 27, 2015 by Official General

[Krysalis]

The way GTA V was made was with design choise, they only took few ideas from fan's including mine like Modjo Lady, song which wouldnt be in the game if it wasnt for me sending Rockstar this idea trought email and yes i've received an answer from them with thank you for your ideas and blabla. Lack of interiors, i disliked that too, but they had their reasons, just like body building, unfortunately its not in the game, it made rest of the game buggy, it was glitchy due to animations and engine couldnt handle it. Now rest of the game, what i dislike is cut trees, but i blame last gen's restriction for this. Now for everything else, i dont know, its all in the place i dont mind it. Gang wars werent in the game for a reason because Franklin wanted to get out of the hood which did happen in story line and thats it. Many people here are so mislead and biased by idiotic youtubers who spread propaganda and their stupid opinions which did sound cool but it was all speculation nothing confirmed. Now GTA 4, it was one of the worst optimized garbages i have ever played, from drunk camera, random crashing, horrible performance, stuttering, graphic clitches etc... driving was not realistic at all, it was only boat like physics like game is set in 40's and not 2008, combat was cool, so was story, city more alive than V's LS? Doesnt seem close to being that at all, they look pretty much the same being alive wise...

[Dee-account-with-1kbans]

I'm not disputing any of that because you are right. But so am I. That's what kills me about this place these days, is that every side has a fair point, but the dumb debate continues. Lol it just occured to me that this and the Rate GTA V thread are about the only thing getting any attention on the forum for the past few days, and we have made no progress yet. The people that like the game still do, the people that hate the game still do, and it feels like we are stuck in some hilarious circle where each side keeps attacking the other.

 

I'll just go ahead and repeat what's been said countless times. The majority like GTA V and still think it's a great game, regardless of the fact that they think it failed in certain areas. The people that seem angry that new fans are entering the series, possibly for the first time, and that the game is still selling, have yet to give a good reason why that should bother them. I just think it's funny that's all. Some of you seem like it's your life's mission to drag the game through the mud, ,and if anyone says otherwise, they are automatically labelled a fanboy. I love how it's so wrong to like something just because some loud minority disagrees with you. Again, this is in general, not aimed at any particular person here (this second paragraph, anyway).

 

And again, yeah it's amusing that IV got this exact same level of trashing when it came out before everyone decided to start singing its praises once V came along. This place is frankly hilarious.

The new fans are gonna shape the future games and they don't know Jack sh*t about the franchise

[woggleman]

Do a google search on IV vs V and look at the poll results on nearly any other forum and V wins by a wide margin. This forum is heavily biased towards IV and is one of the few places people who loved the game can go to gather so of course there will be a negative outlook towards V but most other places opinion is different. People can be in denial all they want but people who have these opinions are a niche market.

[Dee-account-with-1kbans]

Do a google search on IV vs V and look at the poll results on nearly any other forum and V wins by a wide margin. This forum is heavily biased towards IV and is one of the few places people who loved the game can go to gather so of course there will be a negative outlook towards V but most other places opinion is different. People can be in denial all they want but people who have these opinions are a niche market.

So, you want V to be the most loved game everywhere? I don't get your argument. This is a GTA forum. If anyone knows what makes a GTA game great its members of this very forum. So the outsiders that love the game for "online" "Trevor" "beauty" and "map size" aren't really relevant. It's what true fans think. R* even lurks these forums for complaints you think they're wondering what domislive, cod players, 12 year olds, or asskissers think of the game? No. R* knows better than that. So saying this forum is "biased" is just plain stupid to be frank.

[woggleman]

Anybody who plays GTA and enjoys it is a true fan.