Savage armor buff

[saintsrow]

Since I own a Savage, I want it buffed to withstand multiple rockets. While they're at it, I want the speed and maneuverability seriously buffed, also.

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

 

people want this thing to withstand a rocket ?

wow people are crazy

 

Considering that almost everyone and their grandmother has a homing launcher, yes indeed. I've been taken down by numerous homing launchers in a Hydra. This thing can follow you when flying straight up into the sky and can reach a higher top speed than the jet itself. I've found myself blown up into smithereens whilst doing 120 mph down the entire street with curves by a homing launcher. This launcher is insane and needs to be nerfed.

 

Sounds to me like you rather want a nerf on the hl...

Also a good pilot in a hydra can avoid homing launcher rockets

 

 

 

 

 

people want this thing to withstand a rocket ?

wow people are crazy

 

Considering that almost everyone and their grandmother has a homing launcher, yes indeed. I've been taken down by numerous homing launchers in a Hydra. This thing can follow you when flying straight up into the sky and can reach a higher top speed than the jet itself. I've found myself blown up into smithereens whilst doing 120 mph down the entire streets with curves by a homing launcher. This launcher is insane and needs to be nerfed.

 

 

 

 

In my opinion, the homing launcher just upsets the balance of too many things, even forgetting helicopters.

 

It messes up the tank (look at all the threads asking for it to be buffed). It messes up the Technical. It interferes with boats, casual flying (Dusters, etc.) and it even gets cars and bikes/bicycles.

Homing launcher needs to lose its insta kill ability against aircraft and needs to fly faster and further and be more agile so it hunts jets thats it.

but seriously..if someone coud hit you with an rpg flying any heli you kinda deserve death

[Claptrap NL]

Can we please stop with these polls and threads.

I think most of us think the game is getting outbalanced but we gamers can't do much as it's Rockstar who needs to fix it. If you're gonna mail them, you get my vote

[shadowkill98]

 

 

people want this thing to withstand a rocket ?

wow people are crazy

Considering that almost everyone and their grandmother has a homing launcher, yes indeed. I've been taken down by numerous homing launchers in a Hydra. This thing can follow you when flying straight up into the sky and can reach a higher top speed than the jet itself. I've found myself blown up into smithereens whilst doing 120 mph down the entire street with curves by a homing launcher. This launcher is insane and needs to be nerfed.

Sounds to me like you rather want a nerf on the hl...

Also a good pilot in a hydra can avoid homing launcher rockets

 

 

 

 

people want this thing to withstand a rocket ?

wow people are crazy

Considering that almost everyone and their grandmother has a homing launcher, yes indeed. I've been taken down by numerous homing launchers in a Hydra. This thing can follow you when flying straight up into the sky and can reach a higher top speed than the jet itself. I've found myself blown up into smithereens whilst doing 120 mph down the entire streets with curves by a homing launcher. This launcher is insane and needs to be nerfed.

 

 

In my opinion, the homing launcher just upsets the balance of too many things, even forgetting helicopters.

 

It messes up the tank (look at all the threads asking for it to be buffed). It messes up the Technical. It interferes with boats, casual flying (Dusters, etc.) and it even gets cars and bikes/bicycles.

Homing launcher needs to lose its insta kill ability against aircraft and needs to fly faster and further and be more agile so it hunts jets thats it.

but seriously..if someone coud hit you with an rpg flying any heli you kinda deserve death

Avoiding hl missiles with any heli is nearly impossibile(only the most agile helicopters can do that) and given the fact its instakill i dont think the actual armor of the savage is fair(as it is one of the worst helicopter to fly and an easy target). If the buzzard pilots can avoid getting killed with homing missiles why dont dont give a savage pilot the same chance (by increasing armor)so it can compensate its size with proper armor

[ash-274]

A small buff would be OK, but it's a helicopter, after all.

Considering that the Vestra can take a rocket and still make a controlled landing, the Savage (despite being able to defend itself) should be able to withstand an Antique Calvary Dagger stab without the tail falling off.

[elfoam]

If it took one homer in the butt before it went down similar to the hydra that would be fine. I don't think it should take two like the cargobob can. Even with a small armour upgrade it would be a bigger problem in freeroam and I wouldn't agree to it having more armour unless the valkriye got the same upgrade. The valkriye is the premium chopper in GTA so it should always be the better chopper until something more pricey arrives.

[Hunter]

If it took one homer in the butt before it went down similar to the hydra that would be fine. I don't think it should take two like the cargobob can. Even with a small armour upgrade it would be a bigger problem in freeroam and I wouldn't agree to it having more armour unless the valkriye got the same upgrade. The valkriye is the premium chopper in GTA so it should always be the better chopper until something more pricey arrives.

One missile does put the Cargobob out of action though. It technically survives, but if you don't land and get a new one quickly, it's going down.

 

 

Can we please stop with these polls and threads.

I think most of us think the game is getting outbalanced but we gamers can't do much as it's Rockstar who needs to fix it. If you're gonna mail them, you get my vote

I sent mine, hopefully he sends this. The polls might not do much when no one sees them, but I'm hoping if Rockstar get sent polls where there's an overwhelming majority (90%) they might get convinced.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

people want this thing to withstand a rocket ?

wow people are crazy

Considering that almost everyone and their grandmother has a homing launcher, yes indeed. I've been taken down by numerous homing launchers in a Hydra. This thing can follow you when flying straight up into the sky and can reach a higher top speed than the jet itself. I've found myself blown up into smithereens whilst doing 120 mph down the entire street with curves by a homing launcher. This launcher is insane and needs to be nerfed.

 

 

 

Sounds to me like you rather want a nerf on the hl...

Also a good pilot in a hydra can avoid homing launcher rockets

 

 

 

A nerf to the homing launcher would be great. Right now, it's not fair against helicopters/slower planes, and since when could a stinger lock on to cars and tanks? But if that can't be nerfed, then the next best thing is to just put the Savage and Valkyrie on steroids.

Edited August 31, 2015 by Icantthinkofonew

[MAR10HD]

Being able to survive one rocket would be nice as it's a pretty slow moving chopper. Cargobob can survive one.

[fakebasedjo]

At the very least it should withstand two rockets. And small arms fire shouldn't damage it all. As it is there's almost no justification in buying the Savage.

[BUZZARDBUTCHER]

Absolutely love helicopter threads. I know gta helicopters. I can be greedy and say, yes they

Should take more rockets , I think it's stupid how it

Smokes after very few shots .

 

However,honesty would have me say that the savage as of now , is over powered, absolutely no doubt about it, but, if you cannot fly correctly it is a sitting duck .

 

On a good run, I can do 25-50+ kills in as little as 15 minutes. Without even smoking .

 

It is my theory that nobody wants to take the time to learn how to properly fly so that the cannon can be abused. (Atleast 150 hours)

 

Realism would have me say that it should take many more bullets to take it down. Atleast 1 missile hit( like the cargo bob takes 2)

 

But again, when I'm taking care of 7 players and eventually they get me smoking , I must fly away get new helicopter , giving the ground players a chance to regroup,chase me down. Atleast they have a chance, If the savage got its armour buff and I could stay in the air for another hour, I would pound a lobby into passive mode. And I watch helipads/airport like a hawk. Even if a jet gets in the air it's 70-30 chance ill knock that jet out .

 

So while I'd love to see an armour buff, I don't think it would happen as the testers at r would already know the an elite pilot would control an entire lobby easily , just as a tank back in the day could hold people hostage.

 

A good pilot won't get shot down , period.

[Mattoropael]

Absolutely love helicopter threads. I know gta helicopters. I can be greedy and say, yes they

Should take more rockets , I think it's stupid how it

Smokes after very few shots .

 

However,honesty would have me say that the savage as of now , is over powered, absolutely no doubt about it, but, if you cannot fly correctly it is a sitting duck .

 

On a good run, I can do 25-50+ kills in as little as 15 minutes. Without even smoking .

 

It is my theory that nobody wants to take the time to learn how to properly fly so that the cannon can be abused. (Atleast 150 hours)

 

Realism would have me say that it should take many more bullets to take it down. Atleast 1 missile hit( like the cargo bob takes 2)

 

But again, when I'm taking care of 7 players and eventually they get me smoking , I must fly away get new helicopter , giving the ground players a chance to regroup,chase me down. Atleast they have a chance, If the savage got its armour buff and I could stay in the air for another hour, I would pound a lobby into passive mode. And I watch helipads/airport like a hawk. Even if a jet gets in the air it's 70-30 chance ill knock that jet out .

 

So while I'd love to see an armour buff, I don't think it would happen as the testers at r would already know the an elite pilot would control an entire lobby easily , just as a tank back in the day could hold people hostage.

 

A good pilot won't get shot down , period.

 

As long as maneuverability isn't touched, a jet would still eat it for breakfast.

 

There aren't many defensive stances for helicopters against a dive-strafing jet. The Savage is large, its paintjob useless as camouflage within Los Santos where most action in free roam take place, it's sluggish, the jet's guns outrange its own and if the jet is diving, you can't even train it in the direction of the jet. And of course, the jet is in control of all engagements with you since it's considerably faster in every direction, vertical movement included.

 

Better look out for anyone on the western highway too if you're going for the "take off prevention" approach. You aren't exactly welcomed by Fort Zancudo's defenses. Or people escaping Los Santos in general. Who knows, they might be heading for one of the four Blaine County Pegasus aircraft spawns.

Edited September 1, 2015 by Mattoropael

[Don Maximus Meridius]

Today I was flying a cargobob,and someone shoot a rocket on me, from a hydra, but the cargobob (already smoking) didnt explode, just shaked in the air and still flying! Its normal? How many rockets he holds?

 

Any other aircraft in the game have armory like this?

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

 

 

 

people want this thing to withstand a rocket ?

wow people are crazy

Considering that almost everyone and their grandmother has a homing launcher, yes indeed. I've been taken down by numerous homing launchers in a Hydra. This thing can follow you when flying straight up into the sky and can reach a higher top speed than the jet itself. I've found myself blown up into smithereens whilst doing 120 mph down the entire street with curves by a homing launcher. This launcher is insane and needs to be nerfed.

Sounds to me like you rather want a nerf on the hl...

Also a good pilot in a hydra can avoid homing launcher rockets

 

 

 

 

people want this thing to withstand a rocket ?

wow people are crazy

Considering that almost everyone and their grandmother has a homing launcher, yes indeed. I've been taken down by numerous homing launchers in a Hydra. This thing can follow you when flying straight up into the sky and can reach a higher top speed than the jet itself. I've found myself blown up into smithereens whilst doing 120 mph down the entire streets with curves by a homing launcher. This launcher is insane and needs to be nerfed.

 

 

In my opinion, the homing launcher just upsets the balance of too many things, even forgetting helicopters.

 

It messes up the tank (look at all the threads asking for it to be buffed). It messes up the Technical. It interferes with boats, casual flying (Dusters, etc.) and it even gets cars and bikes/bicycles.

Homing launcher needs to lose its insta kill ability against aircraft and needs to fly faster and further and be more agile so it hunts jets thats it.

but seriously..if someone coud hit you with an rpg flying any heli you kinda deserve death

Avoiding hl missiles with any heli is nearly impossibile(only the most agile helicopters can do that) and given the fact its instakill i dont think the actual armor of the savage is fair(as it is one of the worst helicopter to fly and an easy target). If the buzzard pilots can avoid getting killed with homing missiles why dont dont give a savage pilot the same chance (by increasing armor)so it can compensate its size with proper armor

 

because the real life equavalent of the homing launchers was build and was used succesfull to take down the real life equavalrnt of the savage.

also there are few pilots who can avoid one of those misiles ingame even in a buzzard.

though like said many times before i think the savage needs a huge armor buff it shoud not be able to fly away from a hit by an rpg.

further again, best woud be a nerf on the homing launcher its damage thats it

[elfoam]

Today I was flying a cargobob,and someone shoot a rocket on me, from a hydra, but the cargobob (already smoking) didnt explode, just shaked in the air and still flying! Its normal? How many rockets he holds?

 

Any other aircraft in the game have armory like this?

 

I've survived two direct hits in a cargobob from a homing launcher then jumped out, it was going down but didn't explode. In the end if the homing launcher was fast enough to catch a jet everytime and had half the damage it has now I think life would be better.

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

 

If it took one homer in the butt before it went down similar to the hydra that would be fine. I don't think it should take two like the cargobob can. Even with a small armour upgrade it would be a bigger problem in freeroam and I wouldn't agree to it having more armour unless the valkriye got the same upgrade. The valkriye is the premium chopper in GTA so it should always be the better chopper until something more pricey arrives.

One missile does put the Cargobob out of action though. It technically survives, but if you don't land and get a new one quickly, it's going down.

 

 

Can we please stop with these polls and threads.

I think most of us think the game is getting outbalanced but we gamers can't do much as it's Rockstar who needs to fix it. If you're gonna mail them, you get my vote

I sent mine, hopefully he sends this. The polls might not do much when no one sees them, but I'm hoping if Rockstar get sent polls where there's an overwhelming majority (90%) they might get convinced.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

people want this thing to withstand a rocket ?

wow people are crazy

Considering that almost everyone and their grandmother has a homing launcher, yes indeed. I've been taken down by numerous homing launchers in a Hydra. This thing can follow you when flying straight up into the sky and can reach a higher top speed than the jet itself. I've found myself blown up into smithereens whilst doing 120 mph down the entire street with curves by a homing launcher. This launcher is insane and needs to be nerfed.

 

 

 

Sounds to me like you rather want a nerf on the hl...

Also a good pilot in a hydra can avoid homing launcher rockets

 

 

 

A nerf to the homing launcher would be great. Right now, it's not fair against helicopters/slower planes, and since when could a stinger lock on to cars and tanks? But if that can't be nerfed, then the next best thing is to just put the Savage and Valkyrie on steroids.

 

you kinda can avoid a homing misile pretty easely with trafic....even when driving a tank

sure if you are stupid enough to go out in the open with a tank instead of roaming between buildings and preparing youre back for cover, you deserve to get owned.

 

that being said, nerf on homing launcher or not, the savages armor needs a buff for sure

not sure about the valkerie.....the only reason that thing is not used much is because there are few people that actualy work together for real in freeroam and this thing can fire explosives straight to the ground

 

im telling, ideal thing woud be only 2 homing misile rockets being able to destroy any aircraft in atleast such a way it shuts down after that, savage being imune to anything but explosives, the homing launcher having such speed it can hit a fighter jet consistently and freeroam is more balanced then ever before and maybe, maybe the range on the gun on the valkerie having a buff.

also woud not hurt it the valkerie woud become as strong as a buzzard

[shadowkill98]

 

 

 

 

people want this thing to withstand a rocket ?

wow people are crazy

 

Considering that almost everyone and their grandmother has a homing launcher, yes indeed. I've been taken down by numerous homing launchers in a Hydra. This thing can follow you when flying straight up into the sky and can reach a higher top speed than the jet itself. I've found myself blown up into smithereens whilst doing 120 mph down the entire street with curves by a homing launcher. This launcher is insane and needs to be nerfed.

Sounds to me like you rather want a nerf on the hl...

Also a good pilot in a hydra can avoid homing launcher rockets

 

 

 

 

 

people want this thing to withstand a rocket ?

wow people are crazy

 

Considering that almost everyone and their grandmother has a homing launcher, yes indeed. I've been taken down by numerous homing launchers in a Hydra. This thing can follow you when flying straight up into the sky and can reach a higher top speed than the jet itself. I've found myself blown up into smithereens whilst doing 120 mph down the entire streets with curves by a homing launcher. This launcher is insane and needs to be nerfed.

 

 

In my opinion, the homing launcher just upsets the balance of too many things, even forgetting helicopters.

 

It messes up the tank (look at all the threads asking for it to be buffed). It messes up the Technical. It interferes with boats, casual flying (Dusters, etc.) and it even gets cars and bikes/bicycles.

Homing launcher needs to lose its insta kill ability against aircraft and needs to fly faster and further and be more agile so it hunts jets thats it.

but seriously..if someone coud hit you with an rpg flying any heli you kinda deserve death

Avoiding hl missiles with any heli is nearly impossibile(only the most agile helicopters can do that) and given the fact its instakill i dont think the actual armor of the savage is fair(as it is one of the worst helicopter to fly and an easy target). If the buzzard pilots can avoid getting killed with homing missiles why dont dont give a savage pilot the same chance (by increasing armor)so it can compensate its size with proper armor

 

because the real life equavalent of the homing launchers was build and was used succesfull to take down the real life equavalrnt of the savage.

also there are few pilots who can avoid one of those misiles ingame even in a buzzard.

though like said many times before i think the savage needs a huge armor buff it shoud not be able to fly away from a hit by an rpg.

further again, best woud be a nerf on the homing launcher its damage thats it

In real life not all hinds have been destroyed on impact the majority of them crashed after being hit by the stinger unlike GTA where 1 missile destroys you

and when you hear that sound its impossible to escape because bailing out takes a lot of time. The savage should survive at least one missile before going down.

[Hunter]

 

 

Absolutely love helicopter threads. I know gta helicopters. I can be greedy and say, yes they

Should take more rockets , I think it's stupid how it

Smokes after very few shots .

 

However,honesty would have me say that the savage as of now , is over powered, absolutely no doubt about it, but, if you cannot fly correctly it is a sitting duck .

 

On a good run, I can do 25-50+ kills in as little as 15 minutes. Without even smoking .

 

It is my theory that nobody wants to take the time to learn how to properly fly so that the cannon can be abused. (Atleast 150 hours)

 

Realism would have me say that it should take many more bullets to take it down. Atleast 1 missile hit( like the cargo bob takes 2)

 

But again, when I'm taking care of 7 players and eventually they get me smoking , I must fly away get new helicopter , giving the ground players a chance to regroup,chase me down. Atleast they have a chance, If the savage got its armour buff and I could stay in the air for another hour, I would pound a lobby into passive mode. And I watch helipads/airport like a hawk. Even if a jet gets in the air it's 70-30 chance ill knock that jet out .

 

So while I'd love to see an armour buff, I don't think it would happen as the testers at r would already know the an elite pilot would control an entire lobby easily , just as a tank back in the day could hold people hostage.

 

A good pilot won't get shot down , period.

 

 

 

I have roughly 19 days (450 hours) flight time in helicopters. While I don't clam to be the best (who can make that claim anyway?), I'd say I've made the most that can be made of the Savage.

 

Assuming you're against people who don't know how weak the Savage is and only use the homing launcher, then you might be able to get a load of kills very quickly, or you might just get shot down. And this is assuming you're killing complete randoms who either aren't working together, or have just made a rough alliance. If you're trying to kill a dedicated group of players, you're more likely to get shot down than you are to get a lot of kills (though if you don't, you will probably get a lot of kills).

 

No one can stay hidden 100% of the time when there are multiple people at once, and the few seconds you are visible is all it takes for the homing launcher to lock on and fire an unavoidable missile.

 

If you're trying to kill people who know how weak the Savage is, everything changes. You might not even be able to kill a lone player that much if they do the right things. All you've got to do is auto aim with a rifle/MG and give a quick spray, then the Savage is smoking/disabled. A quick, split second spray of the minigun will do the same. And this is assuming you haven't been sniped down before you're even close enough to attack - I've sniped a lot of Savage's tail rotors off, and they've fallen to the ground before they were close. Even if the tail rotor stays, the helicopter will be on the verge of falling down by the time it reaches you.

 

Also, a jet pilot who flies quite a bit will have the advantage over any helicopter - the best thing you can do as a helicopter pilot is to just land at the construction site and snipe the jet down, then get back in the helicopter.

 

As for good pilots not getting shot down, didn't you get shot down in one of the videos you uploaded?

 

TL;DR: The Savage can get a lot of kills against people who aren't working together, though it's also likely to get shot down. The Savage can also sometimes get a lot of kills against a group of players working together, though it's more likely you'll get shot down. The Savage is unlikely to get many kills against even one player who know how weak the helicopter is.

 

It needs an armour buff.

Edited September 1, 2015 by Icantthinkofonew

[Semaj 2JZ♢]

No. You're already allowed to use explosive minigun rounds and launch an unlimited volley of missiles at your opponent. You also think you should withstand a RPG or more? Hahaha, you're already punk enough in your savage, needing more to satiate your killing appetite is pretty scathing to your moral compass...

 

I should be able to launch a hundred rockets at someone with no cool down, but like hell if they should be able to aim at me long enough to get a lock and fire 1 single rocket to take me down... Are ppl with this mindset just simply retarded or what?

Edited September 1, 2015 by Semaj 2JZ♢

[BUZZARDBUTCHER]

 

 

 

Absolutely love helicopter threads. I know gta helicopters. I can be greedy and say, yes they

Should take more rockets , I think it's stupid how it

Smokes after very few shots .

 

However,honesty would have me say that the savage as of now , is over powered, absolutely no doubt about it, but, if you cannot fly correctly it is a sitting duck .

 

On a good run, I can do 25-50+ kills in as little as 15 minutes. Without even smoking .

 

It is my theory that nobody wants to take the time to learn how to properly fly so that the cannon can be abused. (Atleast 150 hours)

 

Realism would have me say that it should take many more bullets to take it down. Atleast 1 missile hit( like the cargo bob takes 2)

 

But again, when I'm taking care of 7 players and eventually they get me smoking , I must fly away get new helicopter , giving the ground players a chance to regroup,chase me down. Atleast they have a chance, If the savage got its armour buff and I could stay in the air for another hour, I would pound a lobby into passive mode. And I watch helipads/airport like a hawk. Even if a jet gets in the air it's 70-30 chance ill knock that jet out .

 

So while I'd love to see an armour buff, I don't think it would happen as the testers at r would already know the an elite pilot would control an entire lobby easily , just as a tank back in the day could hold people hostage.

 

A good pilot won't get shot down , period.

 

 

I have roughly 19 days (450 hours) flight time in helicopters. While I don't clam to be the best (who can make that claim anyway?), I'd say I've made the most that can be made of the Savage.

 

Assuming you're against people who don't know how weak the Savage is and only use the homing launcher, then you might be able to get a load of kills very quickly, or you might just get shot down. And this is assuming you're killing complete randoms who either aren't working together, or have just made a rough alliance. If you're trying to kill a dedicated group of players, you're more likely to get shot down than you are to get a lot of kills (though if you don't, you will probably get a lot of kills).

 

No one can stay hidden 100% of the time when there are multiple people at once, and the few seconds you are visible is all it takes for the homing launcher to lock on and fire an unavoidable missile.

 

If you're trying to kill people who know how weak the Savage is, everything changes. You might not even be able to kill a lone player that much if they do the right things. All you've got to do is auto aim with a rifle/MG and give a quick spray, then the Savage is smoking/disabled. A quick, split second spray of the minigun will do the same. And this is assuming you haven't been sniped down before you're even close enough to attack - I've sniped a lot of Savage's tail rotors off, and they've fallen to the ground before they were close. Even if the tail rotor stays, the helicopter will be on the verge of falling down by the time it reaches you.

 

Also, a jet pilot who flies quite a bit will have the advantage over any helicopter - the best thing you can do as a helicopter pilot is to just land at the construction site and snipe the jet down, then get back in the helicopter.

 

As for good pilots not getting shot down, didn't you get shot down in one of the videos you uploaded?

 

TL;DR: The Savage can get a lot of kills against people who aren't working together, though it's also likely to get shot down. The Savage can also sometimes get a lot of kills against a group of players working together, though it's more likely you'll get shot down. The Savage is unlikely to get many kills against even one player who know how weak the helicopter is.

 

It needs an armour buff.

Yes, I get shot down all the time, but that's not saying I don't hav 30+ kills on the player that shot me down.

 

I'm back at a heli pad (any of them) off the radar an back in the air before anyone's scrambled .

 

I'm saying that an armour buff would greatly improve my chances staying in the air for even longer and gaining more kills. I personally know for me IMO its completely unfair for whomever on the ground. I might get shot down 2-4 times and maybe get 3--6 kills. But if I separate the herd and get people into a spawn trap they are facked.

And that's when 25-40 kills + starts. And it's fast !

No jet could ever keep up to the kill streaks of a savage or buzzard . And I fack up an crash more then I get shot down.

 

A player defending themselves only get a 2 second look at the savage before they are dead. Any longer and you get locked on or the spray from weapons will make u smoke. But even when smoking , I take that BICH to the black smoke. There's white grey and black, u still get a good 5 min + of wracking.

 

Nobodies ever sniped me or shot my rotor blade . I fly just above the street lights . And as I said, you will see the savage very briefly before being shot . The valkre I can almost stay in the air indefinitely . Very hard to shoot down when someone operate cannon and pilot concentrates on surroundings .

 

While I would love to see armour buff , IMO if would be extremely unfair to ground players if the pilot has the experience . I have probably 650-700 hours fly time now :| I know pathetic, but as of this day, I know I've met only 4 jet pilots that can take me out no questions asked .

 

Any other jet pilot won't touch me in a buzzard . Savage is no fine for fighting jets . Off the radar get buzzard . Most jets don't stand a chance .

The only possoble way is to come straight up or straight down. But I am marksman with the mini guns and all they have to do is touch the jet and its facked just like the savage.

 

I WOULD LOVE to see an armour upgrade for savage ESP against homing . But in the gran scheme of things , I'd be doing 50-80 kills every 20-25 min instead .

 

In one of my videos I do 25 kills in 4 minutes . That's baby food . And I ended up crashing not being shot down, I probably would have hit the 40 mark, and it was a clan working together . It don't matter when you have a cannon doing 1500 rounds a minute with exploding rounds .

 

If its 1 or 2 even 4 experienced players on the ground it don't matter it'll take 20 minutes and ill get 40 kills before I start to smoke . Is that fair ?

[donnits]

Armor is fine, but health shouldn't dwindle after it starts smoking. So dumb, you take 10 shots, kill everyone and fly away - only for 5 minutes, until the helicopter randomly starts beeping and you lose control.

[Hunter]

No. You're already allowed to use explosive minigun rounds and launch an unlimited volley of missiles at your opponent. You also think you should withstand a RPG or more? Hahaha, you're already punk enough in your savage, needing more to satiate your killing appetite is pretty scathing to your moral compass...

 

I should be able to launch a hundred rockets at someone with no cool down, but like hell if they should be able to aim at me long enough to get a lock and fire 1 single rocket to take me down... Are ppl with this mindset just simply retarded or what?

Except the ground missile will lock on in a second, will follow the helicopter and is basically guaranteed to hit. Meanwhile the helicopter can't even aim properly (the entire helicopter has to be maneuvered into position).

 

Besides, explosive canons are not out of place on an attack helicopter. I don't suppose they sent these into Afghanistan with a little handgun attached on the nose?

 

Complaining that vehicles have an advantage over people on foot is a bit like complaining that the Cyberdemon in Doom has an advantage over your character. So many games have bosses that are supposed to have an advantage over you - it's the whole point of them being a boss. Or what about when there was a Hind in Metal Gear Solid?

 

Unless it's a jet dive bombing people, in which case I'd agree that vehicle's a little too powerful.

[Hunter]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Absolutely love helicopter threads. I know gta helicopters. I can be greedy and say, yes they

Should take more rockets , I think it's stupid how it

Smokes after very few shots .

 

However,honesty would have me say that the savage as of now , is over powered, absolutely no doubt about it, but, if you cannot fly correctly it is a sitting duck .

 

On a good run, I can do 25-50+ kills in as little as 15 minutes. Without even smoking .

 

It is my theory that nobody wants to take the time to learn how to properly fly so that the cannon can be abused. (Atleast 150 hours)

 

Realism would have me say that it should take many more bullets to take it down. Atleast 1 missile hit( like the cargo bob takes 2)

 

But again, when I'm taking care of 7 players and eventually they get me smoking , I must fly away get new helicopter , giving the ground players a chance to regroup,chase me down. Atleast they have a chance, If the savage got its armour buff and I could stay in the air for another hour, I would pound a lobby into passive mode. And I watch helipads/airport like a hawk. Even if a jet gets in the air it's 70-30 chance ill knock that jet out .

 

So while I'd love to see an armour buff, I don't think it would happen as the testers at r would already know the an elite pilot would control an entire lobby easily , just as a tank back in the day could hold people hostage.

 

A good pilot won't get shot down , period.

 

 

I have roughly 19 days (450 hours) flight time in helicopters. While I don't clam to be the best (who can make that claim anyway?), I'd say I've made the most that can be made of the Savage.

 

Assuming you're against people who don't know how weak the Savage is and only use the homing launcher, then you might be able to get a load of kills very quickly, or you might just get shot down. And this is assuming you're killing complete randoms who either aren't working together, or have just made a rough alliance. If you're trying to kill a dedicated group of players, you're more likely to get shot down than you are to get a lot of kills (though if you don't, you will probably get a lot of kills).

 

No one can stay hidden 100% of the time when there are multiple people at once, and the few seconds you are visible is all it takes for the homing launcher to lock on and fire an unavoidable missile.

 

If you're trying to kill people who know how weak the Savage is, everything changes. You might not even be able to kill a lone player that much if they do the right things. All you've got to do is auto aim with a rifle/MG and give a quick spray, then the Savage is smoking/disabled. A quick, split second spray of the minigun will do the same. And this is assuming you haven't been sniped down before you're even close enough to attack - I've sniped a lot of Savage's tail rotors off, and they've fallen to the ground before they were close. Even if the tail rotor stays, the helicopter will be on the verge of falling down by the time it reaches you.

 

Also, a jet pilot who flies quite a bit will have the advantage over any helicopter - the best thing you can do as a helicopter pilot is to just land at the construction site and snipe the jet down, then get back in the helicopter.

 

As for good pilots not getting shot down, didn't you get shot down in one of the videos you uploaded?

 

TL;DR: The Savage can get a lot of kills against people who aren't working together, though it's also likely to get shot down. The Savage can also sometimes get a lot of kills against a group of players working together, though it's more likely you'll get shot down. The Savage is unlikely to get many kills against even one player who know how weak the helicopter is.

 

It needs an armour buff.

Yes, I get shot down all the time, but that's not saying I don't hav 30+ kills on the player that shot me down.

 

I'm back at a heli pad (any of them) off the radar an back in the air before anyone's scrambled .

 

I'm saying that an armour buff would greatly improve my chances staying in the air for even longer and gaining more kills. I personally know for me IMO its completely unfair for whomever on the ground. I might get shot down 2-4 times and maybe get 3--6 kills. But if I separate the herd and get people into a spawn trap they are facked.

And that's when 25-40 kills + starts. And it's fast !

No jet could ever keep up to the kill streaks of a savage or buzzard . And I fack up an crash more then I get shot down.

 

A player defending themselves only get a 2 second look at the savage before they are dead. Any longer and you get locked on or the spray from weapons will make u smoke. But even when smoking , I take that BICH to the black smoke. There's white grey and black, u still get a good 5 min + of wracking.

 

Nobodies ever sniped me or shot my rotor blade . I fly just above the street lights . And as I said, you will see the savage very briefly before being shot . The valkre I can almost stay in the air indefinitely . Very hard to shoot down when someone operate cannon and pilot concentrates on surroundings .

 

While I would love to see armour buff , IMO if would be extremely unfair to ground players if the pilot has the experience . I have probably 650-700 hours fly time now :| I know pathetic, but as of this day, I know I've met only 4 jet pilots that can take me out no questions asked .

 

Any other jet pilot won't touch me in a buzzard . Savage is no fine for fighting jets . Off the radar get buzzard . Most jets don't stand a chance .

The only possoble way is to come straight up or straight down. But I am marksman with the mini guns and all they have to do is touch the jet and its facked just like the savage.

 

I WOULD LOVE to see an armour upgrade for savage ESP against homing . But in the gran scheme of things , I'd be doing 50-80 kills every 20-25 min instead .

 

In one of my videos I do 25 kills in 4 minutes . That's baby food . And I ended up crashing not being shot down, I probably would have hit the 40 mark, and it was a clan working together . It don't matter when you have a cannon doing 1500 rounds a minute with exploding rounds .

 

If its 1 or 2 even 4 experienced players on the ground it don't matter it'll take 20 minutes and ill get 40 kills before I start to smoke . Is that fair ?

 

 

Like you said though, you have 650 - 700 hours of flight time. If you put that much time into any other vehicle, you would be almost unstoppable. That much time fighting on the ground, with no vehicle, and you'd be very hard to kill.

 

Also, a lot of people aren't very good at dealing with helicopters (people have come to rely on the homing launcher too much). Imagine being in a session where everyone snipes and miniguns - suddenly it's a lot harder to stay up long.

 

I'm not saying getting a Savage for somone is fair, or that it doesn't have an advantage, but I feel like the armour is just a little too weak right now. You shouldn't have to put hundreds of hours in to get a lot of kills, and still get shot down a lot too.

 

Also think of it in missions. It can't even survive a gang attack right now with its armour.

 

It doesn't have to be indestructible anyway, I just think it needs to be stronger than it is now.

Edited September 1, 2015 by Icantthinkofonew

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

 

 

 

 

 

people want this thing to withstand a rocket ?

wow people are crazy

Considering that almost everyone and their grandmother has a homing launcher, yes indeed. I've been taken down by numerous homing launchers in a Hydra. This thing can follow you when flying straight up into the sky and can reach a higher top speed than the jet itself. I've found myself blown up into smithereens whilst doing 120 mph down the entire street with curves by a homing launcher. This launcher is insane and needs to be nerfed.

Sounds to me like you rather want a nerf on the hl...

Also a good pilot in a hydra can avoid homing launcher rockets

 

 

 

 

people want this thing to withstand a rocket ?

wow people are crazy

Considering that almost everyone and their grandmother has a homing launcher, yes indeed. I've been taken down by numerous homing launchers in a Hydra. This thing can follow you when flying straight up into the sky and can reach a higher top speed than the jet itself. I've found myself blown up into smithereens whilst doing 120 mph down the entire streets with curves by a homing launcher. This launcher is insane and needs to be nerfed.

 

 

In my opinion, the homing launcher just upsets the balance of too many things, even forgetting helicopters.

 

It messes up the tank (look at all the threads asking for it to be buffed). It messes up the Technical. It interferes with boats, casual flying (Dusters, etc.) and it even gets cars and bikes/bicycles.

Homing launcher needs to lose its insta kill ability against aircraft and needs to fly faster and further and be more agile so it hunts jets thats it.

but seriously..if someone coud hit you with an rpg flying any heli you kinda deserve death

Avoiding hl missiles with any heli is nearly impossibile(only the most agile helicopters can do that) and given the fact its instakill i dont think the actual armor of the savage is fair(as it is one of the worst helicopter to fly and an easy target). If the buzzard pilots can avoid getting killed with homing missiles why dont dont give a savage pilot the same chance (by increasing armor)so it can compensate its size with proper armorbecause the real life equavalent of the homing launchers was build and was used succesfull to take down the real life equavalrnt of the savage.

also there are few pilots who can avoid one of those misiles ingame even in a buzzard.

though like said many times before i think the savage needs a huge armor buff it shoud not be able to fly away from a hit by an rpg.

further again, best woud be a nerf on the homing launcher its damage thats it

In real life not all hinds have been destroyed on impact the majority of them crashed after being hit by the stinger unlike GTA where 1 missile destroys you

and when you hear that sound its impossible to escape because bailing out takes a lot of time. The savage should survive at least one missile before going down.

Survive...not blow up ok...but it shoud shut down though.

[Mattoropael]

Any other jet pilot won't touch me in a buzzard . Savage is no fine for fighting jets . Off the radar get buzzard . Most jets don't stand a chance .

The only possoble way is to come straight up or straight down. But I am marksman with the mini guns and all they have to do is touch the jet and its facked just like the savage.

 

Coming down is child's play.

 

And in any case it's irrelevant whether you're rekting jets in a Buzzard. We're talking about the Savage. You killing 999999999999999999999 people and jets in a Buzzard doesn't mean anything to the Savage.

Edited September 1, 2015 by Mattoropael

[Chamber53DV]

Hello to everyone. I made this poll because i wanted to know what do you all think about savage's armor buff idea. Its based on one of the most armoured helicopters in the world but we all know that is not that armored in GTA, on the contrary its more like that it is made of carbon fiber.So if you think a buff would be necessary,do you think it should add the capacity of withstanding multiple rockets,or it should only add the capacity of withstanding at least one rocket or should add the capacity of resisting a lot of bullets but not the capacity of resisting rockets?

This poll is biased, to say the least. 3 yes options and 1 no option.

 

How about adding this option...

 

"No, you know the limitations of the Savage so adapt and make it work."

[Mattoropael]

 

Hello to everyone. I made this poll because i wanted to know what do you all think about savage's armor buff idea. Its based on one of the most armoured helicopters in the world but we all know that is not that armored in GTA, on the contrary its more like that it is made of carbon fiber.So if you think a buff would be necessary,do you think it should add the capacity of withstanding multiple rockets,or it should only add the capacity of withstanding at least one rocket or should add the capacity of resisting a lot of bullets but not the capacity of resisting rockets?

This poll is biased, to say the least. 3 yes options and 1 no option.

 

How about adding this option...

 

"No, you know the limitations of the Savage so adapt and make it work."

 

 

It's biased against yes since all "no" votes are concentrated in one option, while the "yes" votes are thinned out over 3 options.

 

And "yes" is still winning by a massive margin. In fact, all three "yes" options on their own have more votes than "no".

 

 

But I guess we can call 10% an overwhelming majority given recent events.

Edited September 1, 2015 by Mattoropael

[Chamber53DV]

 

 

Hello to everyone. I made this poll because i wanted to know what do you all think about savage's armor buff idea. Its based on one of the most armoured helicopters in the world but we all know that is not that armored in GTA, on the contrary its more like that it is made of carbon fiber.So if you think a buff would be necessary,do you think it should add the capacity of withstanding multiple rockets,or it should only add the capacity of withstanding at least one rocket or should add the capacity of resisting a lot of bullets but not the capacity of resisting rockets?

 

This poll is biased, to say the least. 3 yes options and 1 no option.

How about adding this option...

"No, you know the limitations of the Savage so adapt and make it work."

 

It's biased against yes since all "no" votes are concentrated in one option, while the "yes" votes are thinned out over 3 options.

 

And "yes" is still winning by a massive margin. In fact, all three "yes" options on their own have more votes than "no".

 

 

But I guess we can call 10% an overwhelming majority given recent events.

Most polls created on GTAF is influenced by wording.

 

Recent events? What's happened recently?

[Arrows to Athens]

 

 

people want this thing to withstand a rocket ?

wow people are crazy

Considering that almost everyone and their grandmother has a homing launcher, yes indeed. I've been taken down by numerous homing launchers in a Hydra. This thing can follow you when flying straight up into the sky and can reach a higher top speed than the jet itself. I've found myself blown up into smithereens whilst doing 120 mph down the entire street with curves by a homing launcher. This launcher is insane and needs to be nerfed.

Sounds to me like you rather want a nerf on the hl...

Also a good pilot in a hydra can avoid homing launcher rockets

 

 

 

 

people want this thing to withstand a rocket ?

wow people are crazy

Considering that almost everyone and their grandmother has a homing launcher, yes indeed. I've been taken down by numerous homing launchers in a Hydra. This thing can follow you when flying straight up into the sky and can reach a higher top speed than the jet itself. I've found myself blown up into smithereens whilst doing 120 mph down the entire streets with curves by a homing launcher. This launcher is insane and needs to be nerfed.

 

 

In my opinion, the homing launcher just upsets the balance of too many things, even forgetting helicopters.

 

It messes up the tank (look at all the threads asking for it to be buffed). It messes up the Technical. It interferes with boats, casual flying (Dusters, etc.) and it even gets cars and bikes/bicycles.

Homing launcher needs to lose its insta kill ability against aircraft and needs to fly faster and further and be more agile so it hunts jets thats it.

but seriously..if someone coud hit you with an rpg flying any heli you kinda deserve death

 

It has nothing to do with piloting skill.

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

 

 

 

people want this thing to withstand a rocket ?

wow people are crazy

Considering that almost everyone and their grandmother has a homing launcher, yes indeed. I've been taken down by numerous homing launchers in a Hydra. This thing can follow you when flying straight up into the sky and can reach a higher top speed than the jet itself. I've found myself blown up into smithereens whilst doing 120 mph down the entire street with curves by a homing launcher. This launcher is insane and needs to be nerfed.

Sounds to me like you rather want a nerf on the hl...

Also a good pilot in a hydra can avoid homing launcher rockets

 

 

 

 

people want this thing to withstand a rocket ?

wow people are crazy

Considering that almost everyone and their grandmother has a homing launcher, yes indeed. I've been taken down by numerous homing launchers in a Hydra. This thing can follow you when flying straight up into the sky and can reach a higher top speed than the jet itself. I've found myself blown up into smithereens whilst doing 120 mph down the entire streets with curves by a homing launcher. This launcher is insane and needs to be nerfed.

 

 

In my opinion, the homing launcher just upsets the balance of too many things, even forgetting helicopters.

 

It messes up the tank (look at all the threads asking for it to be buffed). It messes up the Technical. It interferes with boats, casual flying (Dusters, etc.) and it even gets cars and bikes/bicycles.

Homing launcher needs to lose its insta kill ability against aircraft and needs to fly faster and further and be more agile so it hunts jets thats it.

but seriously..if someone coud hit you with an rpg flying any heli you kinda deserve death

 

It has nothing to do with piloting skill.

 

yes it does

[Chang]

If you need more armor, ur savagings wrong.

 

i Chang