What's your standpoint about mods in GTA : Online ?

[Arrows to Athens]

 

 

 

And you use a HEX editor to alter the content of the game by modifying the car differently from the original version. Simple really.

 

 

Stop using logic or they'll google more definitions of things that don't contain the word 'modify' in them

 

It's already in the definition.

 

A hex editor (or binary file editor or byte editor) is a type of computer program that allows for manipulation of the fundamental binary data that constitutes a computer file.

 

You're manipulating something which basically means tampering/altering. If that's not modding then I don't know what is.

 

 

But when you HEX Edit you are not overhauling the base files.

 

Modding means you are overhauling the base files

 

It doesn't need to. You are utilising an external program to to manipulate/tamper with the fundamental binary data to obtain something in a game that the developers do not intend to you to obtain. So what you're saying that if you modify the game and does not tamper with the game files itself then it is not considered modding?

Edited August 29, 2015 by Fearx--

[Mr. Scratch]

Funny how people never really gave this much of a sh*t when people were modding other R* multiplayer games.

[Vik]

1.You are utilising an external program to to manipulate/tamper with the fundamental binary data to obtain something in a game that the developers do not intend to you to obtain.

 

2.So what you're saying that if you modify the game and does not tamper with the game files itself then it is not considered modding?

 

 

 

1.You don't need to utilize an external program to hex edit.Sometimes developers leave easter eggs for people to find within the files.Ever heard of "there are no easter eggs here,go away" easter egg from GTA III?Or the "heart" of liberty city from IV?

 

2.I'm not saying that,modding affects gameplay,hex editing doesn't.

[hotrats773]

Funny how people never really gave this much of a sh*t when people were modding other R* multiplayer games.

 

 

I would disagree. Once RDR's online mode was mucked up with mods, there was quite a storm of emotions about that. So much so that Rockstar actually tried to fix it, four years AFTER the game had been out. Can't speak for the other titles.

[Vik]

 

Funny how people never really gave this much of a sh*t when people were modding other R* multiplayer games.

 

 

I would disagree. Once RDR's online mode was mucked up with mods, there was quite a storm of emotions about that. So much so that Rockstar actually tried to fix it, four years AFTER the game had been out. Can't speak for the other titles.

 

 

MP3 really went to the gutter

[Arrows to Athens]

 

1.You are utilising an external program to to manipulate/tamper with the fundamental binary data to obtain something in a game that the developers do not intend to you to obtain.

 

2.So what you're saying that if you modify the game and does not tamper with the game files itself then it is not considered modding?

 

 

 

1.You don't need to utilize an external program to hex edit.Sometimes developers leave easter eggs for people to find within the files.Ever heard of "there are no easter eggs here,go away" easter egg from GTA III?Or the "heart" of liberty city from IV?

 

2.I'm not saying that,modding affects gameplay,hex editing doesn't.

 

People have modded the Comet to have no spoiler. Basically they stripped off the back of the IV Comet and pasted it on the V version. That's modding but doesn't affect gameplay. You can mod the game to add a neon chrome green to your gun but it will not affect gameplay. But it's still modding. Modding can affect gameplay and cannot. It depends on what type of mods you use.

 

Now HEX editing is a computer program used to view and edit/modify binary files. That's it. You have already modded something. So you basically used modding to obtain whatever you wanted in the game that the developer did not intend you to obtain normally.

 

If that's not modding and not glitching (obviously) then what is it?

[The_B1u3_Jay]

 

 

Funny how people never really gave this much of a sh*t when people were modding other R* multiplayer games.

 

 

I would disagree. Once RDR's online mode was mucked up with mods, there was quite a storm of emotions about that. So much so that Rockstar actually tried to fix it, four years AFTER the game had been out. Can't speak for the other titles.

 

 

MP3 really went to the gutter

 

They also ruined gta:iv's multiplayer.

Edited August 29, 2015 by Awesom-0

[Vik]

Basically they stripped off the back of the IV Comet and pasted it on the V version.

 

 

You lost credibility for your comment after you said that.

 

Its worthless to debate at this point,as you don't understand its true meaning or you are just mixing the definitions up.

[Arrows to Athens]

 

Basically they stripped off the back of the IV Comet and pasted it on the V version.

 

 

You lost credibility for your comment after you said that.

 

Its worthless to debate at this point,as you don't understand its true meaning or you are just mixing the definitions up.

 

Whatever they did to get rid of the spoiler, it's modding. Someone on here said that they stripped off the back of the Comet from IV or something. I'm not entirely sure. You've already changed the subject and felt the need to reply to that statement which adds no value to what we were debating previously.

Edited August 29, 2015 by Fearx--

[Mr. Scratch]

Every single R* title was abandoned and left to modders. What makes you think GTAO won't suffer the same fate? The pathetic anticheat system? Sure, current gen doesn't have any modders yet, but when they'll figure out how to mod the game, and they will, it's going to be another game on their list.

 

Midnight Club LA, GTA IV, Red Dead Redemption , Max Payne 3, they all have that in common.

[Pat]

People have modded the Comet to have no spoiler. Basically they stripped off the back of the IV Comet and pasted it on the V version. That's modding but doesn't affect gameplay. You can mod the game to add a neon chrome green to your gun but it will not affect gameplay. But it's still modding. Modding can affect gameplay and cannot. It depends on what type of mods you use.

 

 

Now HEX editing is a computer program used to view and edit/modify binary files. That's it. You have already modded something. So you basically used modding to obtain whatever you wanted in the game that the developer did not intend you to obtain normally.

There's a difference here that you don't seem to understand; there is no model for the Comet's trunk that does not have a spoiler in the base game files. You have to modify the model to remove the spoiler. The Phoenix is different because there is a hex in the default game that does not have the spoiler, and by swapping the hex - or performing the glitch - to remove it, you are not modifying any base game files, you are simply changing values that already exist in the game. Notice there that I said "swapping" - you aren't modifying the hex, you are changing it for a different value that already exists.

 

Do you see the difference here? One is available in the base game, one is not.

Edited August 29, 2015 by Pat

[Arrows to Athens]

Every single R* title was abandoned and left to modders. What makes you think GTAO won't suffer the same fate? The pathetic anticheat system? Sure, current gen doesn't have any modders yet, but when they'll figure out how to mod the game, and they will, it's going to be another game on their list.

 

Midnight Club LA, GTA IV, Red Dead Redemption , Max Payne 3, they all have that in common.

Cash cards.

[Mr. Scratch]

As long as GTAO is P2P they have zero chance of keeping it modder free. If they really gave a sh*t about their own product and fan base then they would have used dedicated servers.

[Arrows to Athens]

 

People have modded the Comet to have no spoiler. Basically they stripped off the back of the IV Comet and pasted it on the V version. That's modding but doesn't affect gameplay. You can mod the game to add a neon chrome green to your gun but it will not affect gameplay. But it's still modding. Modding can affect gameplay and cannot. It depends on what type of mods you use.

 

 

Now HEX editing is a computer program used to view and edit/modify binary files. That's it. You have already modded something. So you basically used modding to obtain whatever you wanted in the game that the developer did not intend you to obtain normally.

There's a difference here that you don't seem to understand; there is no model for the Comet's trunk that does not have a spoiler in the base game files. You have to modify the model to remove the spoiler. The Phoenix is different because there is a hex in the default game that does not have the spoiler, and by swapping the hex - or performing the glitch - to remove it, you are not modifying any base game files, you are simply changing values that already exist in the game. Notice there that I said "swapping" - you aren't modifying the hex, you are changing it for a different value that already exists.

 

Do you see the difference here? One is available in the base game, one is not.

 

HEX editing means you manipulate the binary files. So you're modding something already to obtain whatever you want in the game. It doesn't have to tamper with GTA V's files specifically. And it's not a glitch, not even close. A glitch is a design flaw already present in the game that people exploit to gain an advantage over an opponent or obtain something different from the normal way.

Edited August 29, 2015 by Fearx--

[lll-H-I-M-lll]

everything i own is thanks to modders and dirty cash god bless them!!!!!

[Pat]

it's not a glitch, not even close. A glitch is a design flaw already present in the game that people exploit to gain an advantage over an opponent or obtain something different from the normal way.

 

 

Man, I don't see him edit the hex anywhere in this video, and yet somehow he still removes the spoiler. It's almost like he used another method, like... a glitch. But that's impossible, right? According to you, there is no glitch.

Edited August 29, 2015 by Pat

[Vik]

everything i own is thanks to modders and dirty cash god bless them!!!!!

 

This is 90% of the GTAO player base.

 

 

 

HEX editing means you manipulate the binary files. So you're modding something already to obtain whatever you want in the game. It doesn't have to tamper with GTA V's files specifically. And it's not a glitch, not even close. A glitch is a design flaw already present in the game that people exploit to gain an advantage over an opponent or obtain something different from the normal way.

 

 

 

 

How are you modding if you are HEX editing something already available in the files?

Edited August 29, 2015 by VikDarkbomb

[Arrows to Athens]

 

it's not a glitch, not even close. A glitch is a design flaw already present in the game that people exploit to gain an advantage over an opponent or obtain something different from the normal way.

 

 

Man, I don't see him edit the hex anywhere in this video, and yet somehow he still removes the spoiler. It's almost like he used another method, like... a glitch. But that's impossible, right? According to you, there is no glitch.

 

OMG you people. Before people got rid of the Phoneix's default spoiler by HEX editing. I'm not talking about the glitch. How do you get from save editor to a glitch?

 

 

 

 

HEX editing means you manipulate the binary files. So you're modding something already to obtain whatever you want in the game. It doesn't have to tamper with GTA V's files specifically. And it's not a glitch, not even close. A glitch is a design flaw already present in the game that people exploit to gain an advantage over an opponent or obtain something different from the normal way.

 

 

 

 

How are you modding if you are HEX editing something already available in the files?

 

HEX editing is manipulating the binary files. So therefore you are modding. How hard is it to grasp this simple concept? To manipulate files means to tamper with them and change them to a different state from their original form. You do this to obtain whatever you want in the game.

Edited August 29, 2015 by Fearx--

[Pat]

Before people got rid of the Phoneix's default spoiler by HEX editing. I'm not talking about the glitch. How do you get from save editor to a glitch?

The point is, you don't need to edit the hex to remove the spoiler, you can do it without modifying any game files. Removing the Phoenix's spoiler is not modding.

Edited August 29, 2015 by Pat

[Arrows to Athens]

 

Before people got rid of the Phoneix's default spoiler by HEX editing. I'm not talking about the glitch. How do you get from save editor to a glitch?

The point is, you don't need to edit the hex to remove the spoiler, you can do it without modifying any game files. Removing the Phoenix's spoiler is not modding.

 

But you can do so and if you do then it is considered modding. Just like adding NOS or twin turbo to your cars back in the NOS days. It is because you are HEX editing which modifies the binary files. You already mod by editing the HEX in the first place. It doesn't need to affect the GTA V's files specifically.

Edited August 29, 2015 by Fearx--

[Mr. Scratch]

How exactly do you modify something by using what's already in the game? That makes no sense, you're not adding foreign data to the game. You're simply using its own assets.

[Arrows to Athens]

How exactly do you modify something by using what's already in the game? That makes no sense, you're not adding foreign data to the game. You're simply using its own assets.

You're changing them from their original state to obtain something that developers did not intend you to obtain normally in the game. So therefore it's modding.

 

When you mod any game you manipulate the game's files. But aren't the game files already in the game? Your logic is badly flawed.

Edited August 29, 2015 by Fearx--

[JRC99]

 

 

Especially towards script mods to f*ck others up. I'd use car mods if I had my own private moddable session so I could use my online character without worrying about getting banned.

Edited August 29, 2015 by JRC99

[Teletesselator]

Great mods make games awesome.

They do? How so? Specifically in regards to GTAO...

 

 

But... in this forum most people think MODS = Hacking cheaters.

I dunno, I've been playing the PC version since it released and I've never seen a modder who didn't use it for cheating.

Always they were teleporting during heists and missions, or they were giving money to themselves and others, or they were killing all the enemies with a keystroke, or they are using explosive ammunition, and so on. . (those are all forms of cheating)

In Freemode they do weird sh*t like kill everyone on the map is some weird way, teleport - kill, - and teleport away before retaliation, steal player's money, cars or weapons, use explosive ammo, spawn vehicles they didn't earn and don't own, and so on... (again, all forms of cheating)

The ability to mod cars - sure, that would be OK - Rockstar should create an editor for that IMO.

 

 

 

But when R* mods the game with updates...those same people LOVE it.

I can't think of any Rockstar mods in the game... bug fixes, new content, and new bugs is all I have seen. What do you mean? Edited August 29, 2015 by Teletesselator

[JON22]

That airport fun modded deathmatch was great fun. R* killed that fun.

 

Yes to fun mods.

No to grief insta-kill mods.

And no to R* for killing fun modded deathmatches.

[rlr149]

 

How are you modding if you are HEX editing something already available in the files?

 

what are you doing when you edit?

is the file as it was when you started?

or did you modify some variable?

 

in game terms modding means modification, and anything you modify qualifies.

 

if you want to be a pedant thats fine, but R* probably cba to make special rules for forms of modifying you personally think are ok. they have 50million other people to think about too.

 

People have modded the Comet to have no spoiler. Basically they stripped off the back of the IV Comet and pasted it on the V version. That's modding but doesn't affect gameplay. You can mod the game to add a neon chrome green to your gun but it will not affect gameplay. But it's still modding. Modding can affect gameplay and cannot. It depends on what type of mods you use.

 

 

Now HEX editing is a computer program used to view and edit/modify binary files. That's it. You have already modded something. So you basically used modding to obtain whatever you wanted in the game that the developer did not intend you to obtain normally.

There's a difference here that you don't seem to understand; there is no model for the Comet's trunk that does not have a spoiler in the base game files. You have to modify the model to remove the spoiler. The Phoenix is different because there is a hex in the default game that does not have the spoiler, and by swapping the hex - or performing the glitch - to remove it, you are not modifying any base game files, you are simply changing values that already exist in the game. Notice there that I said "swapping" - you aren't modifying the hex, you are changing it for a different value that already exists.

 

Do you see the difference here? One is available in the base game, one is not.

 

do R* care or agree?

 

thats the key thing here, you can differentiate all you want but if R* don't...............

[Nacho Z]

I don't really care about mods, but what I will say is that they have ruined the 'Rate the car above you thread'. Half the submissions are nonsense now.

[Member's Only]

I don't really care about mods, but what I will say is that they have ruined the 'Rate the car above you thread'. Half the submissions are nonsense now.

[Pat]

I don't really care about mods, but what I will say is that they have ruined the 'Rate the car above you thread'. Half the submissions are nonsense now.

You're being incredibly overdramatic. Honestly, why is it so hard to ignore submissions you don't like? I did it all the time even before mods were allowed.

[Nacho Z]

 

I don't really care about mods, but what I will say is that they have ruined the 'Rate the car above you thread'. Half the submissions are nonsense now.

You're being incredibly overdramatic. Honestly, why is it so hard to ignore submissions you don't like? I did it all the time even before mods were allowed.I don't feel incredibly over dramatic Pat. I just get absolutely nothing from seeing real life cars forced into GTAO and that now forms a significant proportion of the cars on a thread I used to like. Just my opinion, which is what the thread is asking for after all.

 

 

I don't really care about mods, but what I will say is that they have ruined the 'Rate the car above you thread'. Half the submissions are nonsense now.

That salt looks good, I've been known to put salt on ready salted crisps so yeah, bring on the sodium. Edited August 29, 2015 by Nacho Z