Ryder and Kendl

[hot-temper27]

Right after CJ talks about how he felt bad about killing his childhood friend Ryder, Cesar tells him that Ryder tried to bang Kendl. I don't get that part. How would Cesar know that CJ's childhood friend would try to rape his sister? Where were the evidence? Remember, Cesar just met CJ at the beginning of this game. So that means that Cesar very likely didn't even know Ryder until he found out about his betrayal. So why did he tell CJ that Ryder tried to bang Kendl? This is getting confusing.

[lil weasel]

Overthinking, Kendl is Cesar's Girlfriend. She told him.

Now, when did Carl say Ryder was "his childhood friend".?

And, since when is "hitting" on a friends sister Rape or Betrayal?

Edited August 29, 2015 by lil weasel

[Osho]

I don't think CJ ever said about Ryder being his "childhood friend".

Is there any evidence OP?

Regarding the part about how would Cesar know?

Kendl told her.

Evidence: Common sense!

 

E:

Also, Ryder is called as a childhood friend to Sweet ( if I am correct ) in the game, not to CJ.

Edited August 29, 2015 by Osho

[roadrage19]

To be honest, I think Cesar just made that up to keep CJ from feeling bad about killing his friend. I mean we all know Cesar doesn't know Ryder very well since he just met CJ in the beginning of the game. So how would he know that CJ's homie tried to rape his sister?

[Coleman627]

I don't think CJ ever said about Ryder being his "childhood friend".

Is there any evidence OP?

Regarding the part about how would Cesar know?

Kendl told her.

Evidence: Common sense!

 

E:

Also, Ryder is called as a childhood friend to Sweet ( if I am correct ) in the game, not to CJ.

Uh, because CJ grew up with Ryder since childhood and has known him since, thus making him his childhood friend. Maybe Ryder was much closer to Sweet, but he was still friends with CJ, because they both talked about their memories in one cutscene when CJ told him that he beat up a teacher for wearing purple. Also, CJ said in the cutscene of Yay Ka Boom Boom (before Cesar claimed that Ryder tried to bang Kendl).

 

"f*ckin Ryder man. That was MY HOMIE...and I've killed him".

 

Now back on topic. That was probably just a random line R* added to make many gamers forget about Ryder and move on. That's how I see it.

Edited August 29, 2015 by Coleman627

[Osho]

homie -

1. an acquaintance from one's town or neighborhood, or a member of one's peer group or gang.

Nope. Not a childhood friend.

Also, Cesar wouldn't lie and play with the emotions by talking sh*t like bang with her girlfriend. I don't think so.. Since, CJ can bust his theory easily once he finds out more from Kendl. So, obviously. Ryder would have done such a sh*t thing that Cesar shared this hard truth with CJ.

I don't understand why is "childhood friendship" so important always when it comes to CJ, and not Ryder.

Some people literally come across as biased and one sided.

What kind of a childhood friend Ryder is that he betrays the GSF and bangs Kendl?

He was a high ranking member of the family. Sweet and CJ always had a good respect for him despite how Ryder being a selfish prick.

So, what's the motive behind his betrayal that he gives no sh*t about the so-called importance given around here by some people, i.e., "childhood friendship"?

Clearly, the drug addict Ryder loves to live in his own world with a mind for such sh*tty acts, that doesn't seem like he really cared about GSF, and it was just about time when the asshole showed his true colors.

I can easily believe that Cesar was not lying based on Ryders history, and the kind of a person he was.

Edited August 29, 2015 by Osho

[hot-temper27]

You're really overreacting Osho. There's no evidence that even shows that Ryder tried to have sex with Kendl, and Cesar only knew about Ryder after finding out he became a traitor. So what's there to believe? And since you're talking about people becoming biased and one-sided, don't forget that Big Smoke, CJ's other childhood friend, betrayed the Grove too. Ryder only betrayed the GSF because Smoke talked him into doing so.

[Osho]

You are overreacting. No need for personal insults here, otherwise I will report to the admin. Every one can share his own opinion and take on the matter. You don't like it, then that's your problem! You cam't force me to believe your "made up" stories that have nothing to do with the games narrative.

I go by the facts.

Also, Ryder seems like an idiot and total moron that he could be easily turned by anyone in his own ( Smoke ) favor, that's what I get the impression about Ryder.

He traded his friendship, and loyalty with Smoke for his selfish motive and continued to fake his relations with clear intention to backstab GSF when the time is right.

Its a planned and conscious decision of his own, and not simply because of Smoke.

[hot-temper27]

You are overreacting. No need for personal insults here, otherwise I will report to the admin. Every one can share his own opinion and take on the matter. You don't like it, then that's your problem! You cam't force me to believe your "made up" stories that have nothing to do with the games narrative.

I go by the facts.

Also, Ryder seems like an idiot and total moron that he could be easily turned by anyone in his own ( Smoke ) favor, that's what I get the impression about Ryder.

He traded his friendship, and loyalty with Smoke for his selfish motive and continued to fake his relations with clear intention to backstab GSF when the time is right.

Its a planned and conscious decision of his own, and not simply because of Smoke.

What insults? Where in any of my comments did I insult anyone? All I said was that there's no hints that Ryder tried to have sex with Kendl. I was just asking where did Cesar even get that comment from anyway? Quit turning this into a debate, because I'm not trying to argue with anyone.

[FthePolice]

Can we all just stay on topic here? To answer OP's question, I believe that Cesar was just only trying to make CJ feel better about icing his former friend. So he made up the myth about Ryder trying to f*ck Kendl.

Edited August 29, 2015 by FthePolice

[Osho]

Its upto the players to interpret. I believe it may not be possible for the writers to go into much details about every thing in the game.

You can believe in what Cesar said, or dismiss it.

I want to believe Cesar for the reasons already discussed.

That's all there's to it.

There is no hint that shows that Ryder couldn't try to bang his "childhood friends" sister, too!

But there is an actual instance where CJ gets to learn from Cesar that in the past ( I believe, when CJ was in LC ) Ryder did such a sh*tty act.

Cesar is the guy who tipped off about the whole shocking revealation to CJ about Ryder and Big Smoke. So, I don't know why would he even bother to lie something that has to do with Kendl. Its a silly thing to do. Cesar doesn't seem like the guy who would use his girlfriend just to console CJ about Ryders loss.

Makes no sense to me.

 

Edit: Okay, here are some hints for OP that I've found to be important, namely, 1. Why is there no interaction between Kendl and Ryder in the game? I want to believe that could be due to Ryders act with her in the past. 2. The mission - Cesar Vialpando gives some good hints, too! Sweet: I ain't racist. I just know how they feel about you. And look at you, you're dressed like a hooker! [ Like a hooker to Sweet? I don't even have to guess, what Ryder would have felt about Kendl, and lead to bang her ] Kendl: : For what, so I can date one of your mindless friends? I don't think so. [ Who that mindless person could she be hinting, hmm? ]

Edited August 29, 2015 by Osho

[Boyz2Society]

It doesn't make any sense, because first of all, where would Cesar get such a thing that Ryder would ever try to rape Kendl anyway? Where did he even obtain such information from anyway? And how would Ryder even try to f*ck Kendl without CJ or Sweet finding out? Also, even though Ryder was a traitor along with Smoke, I don't see any reason why he would ever try to bang his homies' sister. Not to mention Ryder is around CJ's age and Kendl seems like a good 1-2 years younger than CJ. Honestly, I don't even know where Cesar's claim even came from. It just seemed like some random dialogue added in there by Rockstar for pointless humor.

Edited August 29, 2015 by Boyz2Society

[Osho]

I think "tried to bang" could mean that Ryder attempted to date her but he was stupid enough that he wanted to bang her. The fact that Kendl doesn't mention anything nor informs Sweet about this whole thing, means that she didn't bother to give any serious attention to Ryder in the first place, and as such, I don't think Ryder was able to bang her at all even though he tried and thought he could, but Kendl just showed him how stupid he was to even think anything like that. LOL!

[j7n]

It didn't occur to me that the slang term "bang" meant "rape". I always thought it meant to have sex with, to which Ryder had the same rights as Caesar.

[lil weasel]

Is Kendl a block of wood here?

Is Kendl not going with Cesar?

Would it not be expected that Kendl at some time might, just might, mention to Cesar that Ryder tried to date her?

 

I realize that most posters on this forum are pre-teens and have not had much, if any, experience in dating girls, but this much should be evident from watching even "Leave it to Beaver". or "Happy Days" reruns.