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Gun Control

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sivispacem
1 hour ago, Japseye said:

 

They have gun control in Chicago and look how perfectly that is going. 

What about all the other places in the US that have more stringent firearm control than the average but significantly lower levels of firearm violence? You must be able to see how ridiculous cherry picking like this is.

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Japseye

What about what about... these games man..

 

No, what about Chicago. With those tactics of yours, I wouldn't be surprised if you are left-wing. Let's talk about Chicago and not ignore it. Handguns are banned and I quoted 44 murders by firearms last week.

 

Gun control is a fraud.

 

LOL wait you want to talk about cherry picking? 600,000 registered gun owners in Texas last year and you believe guns should be banned or "controlled" because of the minority of school shootings. Once again I'm not seeing this equality bullsh*t. Just some more one sided , student-liberal hyped bullsh*t

 

aaaand my suspicions are confirmed :)

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Japseye
56 minutes ago, Daz said:

I know this might sound like some hippie bs but really most of these people really just need someone to talk to. It is always the outcast or the loner. People need someone to offload their problems onto that can agree and understand their issue and to simply tell them "you are right to feel the way you do". This is only exacerbated by shoddy doctors over prescribing pharmaceuticals that either do nothing to help the issue or can cause a complete loss of feeling or emotion which can then lead to horrible events. In most depression cases you can see improvement just by a good diet, exercise and proper sleep accompanied by having someone that you trust that you can talk to about it. It might not work for all cases but you have to think of it in terms of it's function in tribalism. If you lose your tribe it means you are basically dead, humans can't survive without eachother and your body is telling that to you. So effectively you need others to help you console those differences. Obviously there are cases where it is more extreme than just that. But it is an epidemic and one that always ends up with the same hallmarks.

 

Of all places you would think schools should be able to offer this kind of counseling and to be able to spot this behavior early. Because its the only way to stop it, it will keep happening, in the most recent shooting (that got barely any press as it did not fit their anti-gun agenda) the guy used a revolver and a shotgun. They will use whatever it takes regardless of law. If all they can get is a side by side shotgun then that is what it will be.

 

except that's not reality. I was brought up very weak minded and I'm glad I don't have my head up my ass like Californian liberals. People do not open up and some don't want to and never will (like myself) 

 

you know, it would be intelligent if children were properly taught to handle a gun, also good parenting would help in the beginning. We live in a world of weakness surrounded by weak people. Everything is getting easier for mankind. So I see weakness becoming even worse and prevalent. My point is that people will ALWAYS be bullied and guns are here to stay. We've seen Chicago and it hasn't worked, however we've also seen places which works well with gun control. The thing that shocks me the most is the fact that people in Chicago are DYING and the attitude atm is , "uh well , other places are doing fine with gun control so let's push for it more" - for people who care about guns and people dying, they aren't doing alot for Chicago. It's being ignored, just like Sivis did with me :)

 

Also like I said, 600,000 registered gun owners in Texas last year and everybody should be stripped of their guns because of 1 mad shooter. If Tom from Texas owns 8 guns including assault rifles, machine guns and has not harmed ANYBODY in his life with a firearm, how is it justifiable that his guns should be taken off him because of a teenager who grabbed his grandmothers pistol which was not locked up. Some people do not make sense and never will

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sivispacem
2 hours ago, Japseye said:

What about what about... these games man..

 

No, what about Chicago. With those tactics of yours, I wouldn't be surprised if you are left-wing. Let's talk about Chicago and not ignore it. Handguns are banned and I quoted 44 murders by firearms last week.

 

Gun control is a fraud.

 

LOL wait you want to talk about cherry picking? 600,000 registered gun owners in Texas last year and you believe guns should be banned or "controlled" because of the minority of school shootings. Once again I'm not seeing this equality bullsh*t. Just some more one sided , student-liberal hyped bullsh*t

 

aaaand my suspicions are confirmed :)

Oh come on, this is facile drivel and you know it. The fact your knee jerk reaction is to attempt to poison the well by using "leftist" as a slur just goes to demonstrate you lack the intellectual capability to engage with the subject. So why you're even here in D&D I don't really know.

 

But because I enjoy ridiculing fallacious reasoning, I'll humour you. Your single point of evidence for the assertion "gun control does not work" is the example of Chicago. Is Chicago the only place that has instituted higher levels of firearm control than the (American) norm? Of course it isn't. So would you care to explain why you've assumed categorical and unequivocal fact from a sample size of 1, in complete ignorance of any other conflicting examples?

 

I'll give you a clue- it's because you have absolutely no interest in developing a coherently and reasoned understanding of this subject and would instead rather just parrot nonsensical dogma. A common theme amongst many of your recent posts, sprinkled with more than a little inference of homophobia and white nationalism. 

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Japseye

Using leftist as a slur? 

 

hahahah Jesus Christ I'll come back and have a "debate" as you guys call it when you become a man and grow some balls :)

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sivispacem
51 minutes ago, Japseye said:

Using leftist as a slur? 

Yes, using leftist as a slur. You know, derogatory. Insulting. I mean I'm not actually a leftist, and even if I we're one, I would think attempts to dismiss my views just because of it pretty foolish, but it's not lost on me you've come in here with plenty of edgy opinions and not even the merest whiff of the competence and coherence required to support them.

 

Pretty funny, actually.

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Typhus

This is the future, I think:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/23/3d-printed-guns-court-settlement-trump-administration-cody-wilson

As this technology becomes cheaper and more efficient, gun control laws will become obsolete, and homemade firearms will be proliferated across the globe, even in nations with strict regulations. 3D printing can allow for great things, I believe we haven't explored one tenth of its potential yet, but as with other technological leaps, it will also open the door to applications which will prove a detriment to society. I truly believe every nation should take notice of this, because it's going to become a huge problem down the line.

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sivispacem

Thing is, precision machining has been accessible to the home hobbyist for decades but we don't hear scare stories about home milled guns. I don't see 3D printing as that different. We're still decades away from laser sintering and the like being accessible to hone hobbyists and until that point producing functional firearm receivers that are more of a danger to the person they're pointed at than the user is infinitesimally easier using a CNC mill. 

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Tchuck

Yeah I'm with sivis on this one. For people who want to go on killing sprees and whatnot, we're still far away from guns that can be printed and actually reliable enough to take out a bigger number of people. With the ease of buying guns in America, it's also a lot cheaper to just walk into a walmart and buy it. And if you're looking to create a lot of damage, it's even easier to create your own explosives. 

 

But yeah, it's more important than ever to pass policies and investments that attack the root of the problem. A healthy society is one less prone to use guns for violence.

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Saggy
20 hours ago, Tchuck said:

Yeah I'm with sivis on this one. For people who want to go on killing sprees and whatnot, we're still far away from guns that can be printed and actually reliable enough to take out a bigger number of people. With the ease of buying guns in America, it's also a lot cheaper to just walk into a walmart and buy it. And if you're looking to create a lot of damage, it's even easier to create your own explosives. 

 

But yeah, it's more important than ever to pass policies and investments that attack the root of the problem. A healthy society is one less prone to use guns for violence.

We've been  a society prone to both produce weapons and use them for violence since the 50s and 60s when  people were assassinating each other with zip guns made of plumbing parts. I mean we didn't even think to enforce a waiting period until someone killed our president with a mail-order rifle.  Sadder fact is there are attics and basements across America where old mail-ordered rifles lay forgotten, waiting to be sold without background check by some "patriot" at a yard sale. They're so ubiquitous, that it will be a long time before 3d printing a gun will be easier than knocking over some farmer's shed, or finding the right 2A supporters at a flea market or gun show who will look the other way.

 

It's basically like the root of the problem has been left to fester for 60 years while we arm ourselves to the teeth.

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Doctor Holliday

Another ordinary day in America, another mass shooting (by another lonely white man), another round of thoughts and prayers (but no gun control legislation) until the next shooting....

 

 

Maybe instead of getting our panties in a bunch over Caravans and Muslims, neither of which are an actual threat, we should be cracking down on all these Cracker-Honkey gun nuts right here in our own backyard.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/authorities-multiple-injuries-shooting-california-081908764.html

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Tchuck

The killer was a military vet, having served in Afghanistan.

 

This is an important bit, since they can't find a motive:

 

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Mental health officials were called to his home this year
Ventura county sheriff Geoff Dean said sheriff’s deputies were called to Long’s home in Newbury Park, five miles west of Thousand Oaks, in April 2018. They found Long “somewhat irate, acting a little irrationally”, Dean said. The deputies called in mental health specialists. The specialists decided Long’s mental state did not require him to be detained for further assessment.

So there you go. Military vet without proper mental health support, who lost it. And:

 

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The gun was legally purchased
Authorities said the .45 caliber Glock handgun used in the shooting was legally purchased. But Dean said Long had used an extended magazine – illegal in California – during the shooting, which would enable the weapon to fire more rounds before needing to be reloaded.

Legally purchased, with an illegal attachment. 

Ban guns, don't ban them, control guns, don't control them. It won't matter as long as mental health isn't kept in check.

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Doctor Holliday

Can we try anything other than nothing?

 

I can't think of any other so-called civilized nation that would stand for this precedent.

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G's Ah's

Well I've already identified one person in this thread that doesn't need a firearm...

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DareYokel
On 11/9/2018 at 2:28 AM, Tchuck said:

Ban guns, don't ban them, control guns, don't control them. It won't matter as long as mental health isn't kept in check.

It would matter to a pretty large extent. You simply cannot shoot people if you don't have anything to shoot them with. Isn't it insane that in a lot of places in the US you can just go ahead and purchase a firearm like it was a lollipop? These things aren't toys.

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Tchuck
4 hours ago, Darth Yokel said:

It would matter to a pretty large extent. You simply cannot shoot people if you don't have anything to shoot them with. Isn't it insane that in a lot of places in the US you can just go ahead and purchase a firearm like it was a lollipop? These things aren't toys.

It won't matter because America already has nearly as many guns as inhabitants. Banning them now won't do anything. Controlling them now will be a start, but won't really get to the root of the problem. As long as mental health in America in general is not taken seriously, sick people will find a way to get their hands on guns and cause problems.

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Short Stay

Everytime someone buys a gun in the US they should also be made to buy a covered wagon, a quid of chewing tobacco and some beads to trade with the injuns.

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Grotti Vigilante

In light of California's recent shooting, all I want to know is why pro-gun control advocates don't use the constitutional argument put forward by their opponents against them? The Second Amendment states:

 

"a well regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free state; the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

 

Nobody on either side seems to remember the first bit which, I believe, was modeled after the Swiss militia system in which much of the population still own firearms yet have less gun crime than most of the world. Conscription would probably weed out those not fit to have a firearms, so there's not much else to consider. In principle it's a great idea to have a procedure in place for the citizens in case of tyrannical governments, and one I can get behind with the right factors and systems in place. Switzerland seems to have got things right in that regard, and as well as being a potential deterrent for local tyrants, it also partially helped keep Hitler on the other side of the summits. Quite strange when you consider that NRA advocates point to the Swiss as their poster boy of unregulated gun culture.

 

If the US really followed the Swiss system from the start like intended you can safely assume that things may not be as bad as they are now. I say "may not" because the Swiss also don't have the US standards of healthcare, unemployment rate, low wages, racial tensions and gang culture. Perhaps these ought to be addressed as well otherwise Black and Hispanic hoodlums in Compton will still be killing each other, and edgy school shooters will probably start using other weapons to go on a rampage killing fellow pupils cause of some kind of health issue or something. Despite the UK having tight gun control, London is now in the middle of a knife crime crisis that the Mayor says could take generations to fix. It's not as simple as just banning the weapons, there's other things at hand here.

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Eutyphro

Yes, Switzerland doesn't have ghettos and crime as the US does. Switzerland also doesn't have mass culture and the accompanying mass psychosis that seems to cause these mass killings.

Furthermore, wouldn't conscription put those owning firearms further under the authority of the state? It makes no sense at all to conscript people en masse 'to fight the tyranical state'. You strengthen a potentially tyrannical state by conscripting everyone into it, not fight it.

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Grotti Vigilante
28 minutes ago, Eutyphro said:

Furthermore, wouldn't conscription put those owning firearms further under the authority of the state? It makes no sense at all to conscript people en masse 'to fight the tyranical state'. You strengthen a potentially tyrannical state by conscripting everyone into it, not fight it.

I'm not quite sure if there's a certain answer to that question. A well-regulated militia sounds like it would be relying on the people to regulate it rather than the state. Militias are after all civili