Gun Control

[Fuzzknuckles]

How would they know which person shouldn't own a gun? It's hard to tell which is insane with certain people.

It's pretty simple. Unless you're a cop, a soldier or a licensed hunter that hunts for trade, not for sport, YOU. SHOULD. NOT. HAVE. A. GUN.

 

America, seriously, you have the worst gun laws in the world and the most gun related crimes and deaths in the world. There is a simple correlation here and no amount of 'God given right to bear arms' is going to justify the senseless slaughter of innocent people EVERY SINGLE DAY.

 

I hate Ricky Gervais, but I completely agree with his stance on the US's complete lack of control over guns. Don't let everyone have guns... less people will be shot. It really is THAT f*ckING SIMPLE.

[Guest Member1626225]

Holy sh*t. Saw it on the news. First of all, my feelings go out to the family and friends of the victims. This is a terrible event that shouldn't have happened. The shooter was clearly a psychopath. A normal person wouldn't kill someone because they might have said racist things. Hell, he even posted a video of himself shooting the camera crew. How f*cked-up is this guy?! I've seen the raw footage, and I'm shocked.

 

Second of all, as a gun enthusiast and shooter I don't condone violence. Everyone is already pointing their finger at us. Go ahead, restrict gun ownership and ban guns if you want. Won't solve anything. If a criminal or psychopath wants to get a gun and kill someone, they will always be able to do that. When you pass some anti-gun laws, it won't stop a criminal from getting a gun. Take my country as an example. Gun laws are very strict here (a bit too strict in my opinion) and shootings still happen very often. Even though we have tons of background checks and paperwork, people still get killed. They have already made gun laws more strict here over the years, but that obviously didn't work. Normal gun owners, shooters and enthusiasts have to suffer under draconian laws because the governmen thinks we can't be trusted. We aren't monsters, we are just normal people who happen to enjoy firearms.

Edited August 27, 2015 by Member1626225

[Creed Bratton]

if you're waiting for the magical window in which no shootings or riots have occurred for X-number of days, then it's never going to happen. we either start talking and start politicizing or nothing will ever change or improve... ever.

And if you ever find that really magical window, these people would probably say "why bring that up now".

Edited August 27, 2015 by The Yokel

[Absurdity]

 

How would they know which person shouldn't own a gun? It's hard to tell which is insane with certain people.

 

Don't let everyone have guns... less people will be shot. It really is THAT f*ckING SIMPLE.

 

and more people will die slower, drawn out deaths as without the gun; all of these socially engineered sociopaths become forced to invent more elaborate 'gruesome' means to kill those they desire dead.

[Guest Member1626225]

 

 

How would they know which person shouldn't own a gun? It's hard to tell which is insane with certain people.

 

Don't let everyone have guns... less people will be shot. It really is THAT f*ckING SIMPLE.

 

and more people will die slower, drawn out deaths as without the gun; all of these socially engineered sociopaths become forced to invent more elaborate 'gruesome' means to kill those they desire dead.

 

 

Exactly. Ban guns, psychopaths will find other ways to kill or hurt people. Also, banning firearms won't get rid of street dealers and the black market. So I guess criminals can always get firearms illegaly, because they are not going to obey some stupid law.

[make total destroy]

and more people will die slower, drawn out deaths as without the gun; all of these socially engineered sociopaths become forced to invent more elaborate 'gruesome' means to kill those they desire dead.

 

 

Forget gun control, we need to restrict people from using semicolons.

Edited August 27, 2015 by make total destroy

[Fuzzknuckles]

 

 

 

How would they know which person shouldn't own a gun? It's hard to tell which is insane with certain people.

 

Don't let everyone have guns... less people will be shot. It really is THAT f*ckING SIMPLE.

 

and more people will die slower, drawn out deaths as without the gun; all of these socially engineered sociopaths become forced to invent more elaborate 'gruesome' means to kill those they desire dead.

 

 

Exactly. Ban guns, psychopaths will find other ways to kill or hurt people. Also, banning firearms won't get rid of street dealers and the black market. So I guess criminals can always get firearms illegaly, because they are not going to obey some stupid law.

 

 

So what's the solution? Give EVERYONE a gun and let natural selection take it's course?

 

Here in the UK, where guns are tightly controlled, there are far, far fewer shooting deaths than in the US. Not just because there's less people, but because there's less guns.

 

Yes, it's that simple. We don't have as many bombings, either. Or other forms of domestic terrorism.

 

Bryce Williams had hands and feet. Do you think, if he didn't have a gun, he would have gone out there and tried to kick and punch three people to death?

 

f*cking morons.

 

. Also, banning firearms won't get rid of street dealers and the black market. So I guess criminals can always get firearms illegaly, because they are not going to obey some stupid law.

 

 

So if there hadn't been a hundred years or so of complete failure to control guns, this would still be a problem? If America didn't think they were still in the f*cking wild west and needed a gun for protection...

 

Look at it this way. If, for the last 100 years, people had not had the opportunity to buy a gun from a local store, there would be many, many less people in the US with guns. Which would mean less people would have been able to pick up a gun and shoot people. But because the constitution and US law says people can own guns, people have guns, and therefore shoot people. Sure, crazy people do most of the shooting, but can we be sure they were crazy when they bought the gun? Or were they buying a gun initially to protect themselves from the several million other gun owners?

 

If the US hadn't enabled it's people to arm themselves, they would not be killing each other EVERY SINGLE DAY.

Edited August 27, 2015 by Fuzzknuckles

[Guest Member1626225]

 

 

 

 

How would they know which person shouldn't own a gun? It's hard to tell which is insane with certain people.

 

Don't let everyone have guns... less people will be shot. It really is THAT f*ckING SIMPLE.

 

and more people will die slower, drawn out deaths as without the gun; all of these socially engineered sociopaths become forced to invent more elaborate 'gruesome' means to kill those they desire dead.

 

 

Exactly. Ban guns, psychopaths will find other ways to kill or hurt people. Also, banning firearms won't get rid of street dealers and the black market. So I guess criminals can always get firearms illegaly, because they are not going to obey some stupid law.

 

 

So what's the solution? Give EVERYONE a gun and let natural selection take it's course?

 

Here in the UK, where guns are tightly controlled, there are far, far fewer shooting deaths than in the US. Not just because there's less people, but because there's less guns.

 

Yes, it's that simple. We don't have as many bombings, either. Or other forms of domestic terrorism.

 

Bryce Williams had hands and feet. Do you think, if he didn't have a gun, he would have gone out there and tried to kick and punch three people to death?

 

f*cking morons.

 

 

Everyone who is a healthy, normal, law-abiding person should be able to own firearms.

 

If Williams had used a knife to kill those poor people, would the government try to ban knives too?

 

People should stop demonizing f*cking firearms. At the end of the day, it's just an inanimate object. YOU decide what to do with it. So if you're a normal person, like the vast majority of gun owners, you should be able to own a gun without any problems.

 

Are we really comparing someone who f*cking killed 3 people because of ''racist comments'', who is clearly a psychopath, to normal gun enthusiasts? Because the normal people have to deal with all the anti-gun crap, while psychopaths and criminals just kill more people.

 

Gun laws in my country are also very strict, but you hear news reports about shootings all the time. A stupid law isn't going to stop someone who is determined to kill people.

[Raavi]

Take my country as an example. Gun laws are very strict here (a bit too strict in my opinion) and shootings still happen very often.

 

Very often, I see. In comparison to.. what country exactly? Because from where I stand we have one of the lowest rates of gun related deaths. With 3.3 homicides by firearm per 1.000.000 citizens. The U.S in comparison has 29.7 homicides by firearm per 1.000.000.000 citizens. This is not counting accidental deaths, suicides etc involving guns, which are everything but rare in the US as well.

 

Normal gun owners, shooters and enthusiasts have to suffer under draconian laws because the governmen thinks we can't be trusted.

 

Oh you poor souls, "we only want to operate machinery designed to kill". Surely you won't mind passing a thorough background check, undergoing a psychological test, and storing the firearm in a safe in your shooting club. Ya know because there is no reason you should have a firearm in your home.

[Guest Member1626225]

 

Take my country as an example. Gun laws are very strict here (a bit too strict in my opinion) and shootings still happen very often.

 

Very often, I see. In comparison to.. what country exactly? Because from where I stand we have one of the lowest rates of gun related deaths. With 3.3 homicides by firearm per 1.000.000 citizens. The U.S in comparison has 29.7 homicides by firearm per 1.000.000.000 citizens. This is not counting accidental deaths, suicides etc involving guns, which are everything but rare in the US as well.

 

Normal gun owners, shooters and enthusiasts have to suffer under draconian laws because the governmen thinks we can't be trusted.

 

Oh you poor souls, "we only want to operate machinery designed to kill". Surely you won't mind passing a psychological test, and storing the firearm in a safe in your shooting club. Ya know because there is no reason you should have a firearm in your home.

 

 

Yes, guns were designed to take lives. Do we use them to take lives? No, we f*cking don't. I'm f*cking sick and tired of people like you. Always talking sh*t about us, yet you've probably never been to a shooting club, never held a firearm or never shot one. There's a damn difference between the firearms at the club and the ones you can have at home. You probably think all guns are the same, all ammo is the same, all guns react the same way with different types of amme, etc. You have to ''dial in'' your gun and pick the perfect type of ammo in order to get good shooting results. That's something you can't with the guns at a shooting range. We aren't monsters, killers and psychopaths. Just because a small group of idiotic people commit these horrible crimes, doesn't mean we all have to pay the price. You people will never get it.

[Raavi]

I'm f*cking sick and tired of people like you. Always talking sh*t about us

 

Me agreeing with comprehensive legislation inhibiting the use of firearms by everyone and their cousin ≠ talking sh*t about you.

 

There's a damn difference between the firearms at the club and the ones you can have at home.

 

Yes, you know why you can't store an ar15 (not saying this is the rifle you use at your clubs) under your mattress? Laws. I happen to like those laws.

 

Just because a small group of idiotic people commit these horrible crimes,

 

More guns in circulation = more gun related crime it really is that simple. Don't know about you, but I'm not particularly partial to more gun crime.

 

doesn't mean we all have to pay the price.

 

Pay what price? Pass a background check, undergo a psychological test? Have to store your firearm outside of your home? How horrible that must be for you. If you want to operate a tool designed to kill, be it for sporting purposes or hunting for trade- you should have to be proven fit to do so, and wherever reasonably possible, room for error (read: bodily harm) should be taken away.

 

You people will never get it.

 

I have shot a gun and no I don't really get it. But I can say the same for people who collect stamps. Difference being their hobby doesn't pose a potential threat and thus does not require regulation.

[Guest Member1626225]

I don't even f*cking care anymore. Why don't we outlaw everything that could be dangerous?! Why don't we lock ourselves up in a room filled with pillows to keep us safe?! Here are my great ideas:

 

- No more shooting sports, people could possibly get shot!

- No more motorsports, people could get run over!

- No more baseball, you could kill someone with a baseball bat!

- No more darts, you could poke someone's eye out!

- No more hiking, you could get pushed by someone and die!

- No more sailing, you could get thrown of your boat!

- No more boxing, you could possibly hit someone to death!

- No more chess, you could use a chess piece to choke someone!

 

Why don't we also ban knives and forks? We'll just eat with out hands. Oh ,wait! You could kill somone using your hands! Let's just chop of our own hands!

[Skeever]

Gun control simply doesn't work in the United States because guns have been ingrained in our culture for several hundred years now and, realistically, the government wouldn't even be able to confiscate most of them, let alone all of them. As we have seen with California, New York and other anti-gun states, all banning them does is leave lawful citizens unable to properly protect themselves and their families while criminals get them off the black market as violent crime skyrockets. While it certainly has worked made a difference (for better or worse) in countries such as Australia, Canada and the UK, it simply doesn't work in the US.

Trust me, I'd give up my right to own a firearm if it meant a dramatic decrease in crime, but it simply won't. It's incredibly unrealistic to think that the criminals who carry out these shootings are going to surrender their firearms. It'll be no more successful than the War on Drugs has been. Why is it anyone else's business if I keep a gun for protection in my house, anyway? The only people that should be bothered by that are criminals with malicious intent.

Edit (November 8th, 2015): I apologize for lumping Canada and Australia in with the UK when I stated that gun control has "worked" in those countries (hint: it has anything but worked; violent crime has increased in Canada and Australia ever since the gun control laws were put in place). I know this post is very old and that most people recently joining the discussion aren't going to notice this, but I'd like to share a video that shows the perspectives of several law-abiding Australian citizens post-gun control.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyS3CEIbpJo

Edited November 9, 2015 by Skeever

[Raavi]

Nice slippery slope fallacy, RageFaceMax. Thing is though we're doing quite well with our firearm laws, and there's not a single political party with any legitimacy that seeks to relax them. You're perfectly free to continue your shooting hobby, but the process of legally owning a firearm won't be made any easier.

 

Note my argument is relevant to The Netherlands where there is no real "gun culture". The US on the other hand which has pretty much become synonymous with firearms and where indeed guns are unfortunately engrained in society is a whole different beast entirely, and thus logically requires a different approach.

[HeavyDuke]

I don't even f*cking care anymore. Why don't we outlaw everything that could be dangerous?! Why don't we lock ourselves up in a room filled with pillows to keep us safe?! Here are my great ideas:

 

- No more shooting sports, people could possibly get shot!

- No more motorsports, people could get run over!

- No more baseball, you could kill someone with a baseball bat!

- No more darts, you could poke someone's eye out!

- No more hiking, you could get pushed by someone and die!

- No more sailing, you could get thrown of your boat!

- No more boxing, you could possibly hit someone to death!

- No more chess, you could use a chess piece to choke someone!

 

Why don't we also ban knives and forks? We'll just eat with out hands. Oh ,wait! You could kill somone using your hands! Let's just chop of our own hands!

Agreed with your point. And if someone's going to kill anyone, they will do it one way or another anyway. Countless ways to get your hands on a firearm or anything els you can use as a murder weapons.

 

PS about motorsports, thankfully F1 may go back on the road to 1000bhp engines around 2017.

[MyName'sJeff]

Gun control simply doesn't work in the United States because guns have been ingrained in our culture for several hundred years now and, realistically, the government wouldn't even be able to confiscate most of them, let alone all of them. As we have seen with California, New York and other anti-gun states, all banning them does is leave lawful citizens unable to properly protect themselves and their families while criminals get them off the black market as violent crime skyrockets. While it certainly has worked in countries such as Australia, Canada and the UK, it simply doesn't work in the US.

 

Trust me, I'd give up my right to own a firearm if it meant a dramatic decrease in crime, but it simply won't. It's incredibly unrealistic to think that the criminals who carry out these shootings are going to surrender their firearms. It'll be no more successful than the War on Drugs has been. Why is it anyone else's business if I keep a gun for protection in my house, anyway? The only people that should be bothered by that are criminals with malicious intent.

 

Gun control simply doesn't work in the United States because guns have been ingrained in our culture for several hundred years now and, realistically, the government wouldn't even be able to confiscate most of them, let alone all of them. As we have seen with California, New York and other anti-gun states, all banning them does is leave lawful citizens unable to properly protect themselves and their families while criminals get them off the black market as violent crime skyrockets. While it certainly has worked in countries such as Australia, Canada and the UK, it simply doesn't work in the US.

 

Trust me, I'd give up my right to own a firearm if it meant a dramatic decrease in crime, but it simply won't. It's incredibly unrealistic to think that the criminals who carry out these shootings are going to surrender their firearms. It'll be no more successful than the War on Drugs has been. Why is it anyone else's business if I keep a gun for protection in my house, anyway? The only people that should be bothered by that are criminals with malicious intent.

And the reason why you think it isn't going to decrease crimes in your sh*tty country is because it has the most number of people who are mentally disabled, a part of a gang, even normal people who can't control their anger, and just generally full of the most idiotic people in the whole world. Your country as a whole has been f*cked since the beginning, that's the cold hard truth.

[UshaB]

I don't even f*cking care anymore. Why don't we outlaw everything that could be dangerous?!

 

- No more shooting sports, people could possibly get shot!

- No more motorsports, people could get run over!

- No more baseball, you could kill someone with a baseball bat!

etc

 

Just want to add onto your list, but for the things actually banned in the US:

 

 

 

(image url won't allow me to add the dodgeball one or the ice-cream being banned in Kroger)

 

 

I know right, these things are harmful as f*ck!!! I hope somebody doesn't throw a Kinder surprise at me, the danger I'm in is unbearable, I'd rather be held at gun point!

 

Edited August 27, 2015 by UshaB

[The Deadite]

God damn USA, what's your obsession with guns?

There's any other country where people go in a killing spree so often?

Don't tell me you are able to kill a shopping mall or school full of people with a knife.

Edited August 27, 2015 by Midnight Hitman

[UshaB]

Phew, I thought you were gonna attack me Midnight Hitman as I watch you reading this topic.

 

Ps, I suggest you don't take an ice-cream in Kroger, that treat is banned. Luckily they allow people to take guns there, so if a would-be ice cream carrier comes in to the store they could simply just shoot them. Simple yet effective. I hope I don't get attacked by a ice-cream wielding psycho.

[Johnny Playert]

 

 

 

How would they know which person shouldn't own a gun? It's hard to tell which is insane with certain people.

Don't let everyone have guns... less people will be shot. It really is THAT f*ckING SIMPLE.

 

and more people will die slower, drawn out deaths as without the gun; all of these socially engineered sociopaths become forced to invent more elaborate 'gruesome' means to kill those they desire dead.

 

Exactly. Ban guns, psychopaths will find other ways to kill or hurt people. Also, banning firearms won't get rid of street dealers and the black market. So I guess criminals can always get firearms illegaly, because they are not going to obey some stupid law.

 

Well guess what? Criminals everywhere have always and will always have guns. It's not about criminality. It's about guns being so openly available and so wide-spread through the community that stuff like this will continue to happen until it is dealt with.

How can someone not see that?

[UshaB]

This is Hitler without given power:

Hitler + gas chamber = Jewish massacre

Hitler + nothing = just a crazy mindset, or attempt to kill Jew one by one.

 

Every single USA school massacre

Unstable student + gun = high potential death rate

Unstable student + nothing = death of one or more students and or injuries

 

Psychopaths in general + guns = given power, unexpected opportunities to kill singular or commit massacre and/or commit crime

Psychopaths in general + nothing (knives/whatevs) = smaller death rate. Death of singular, unless professionally trained user more before finally being subdued

 

Guns = easier to kill someone and/or commit a massacre.

[RedDagger]

I don't even f*cking care anymore. Why don't we outlaw everything that could be dangerous?! Why don't we lock ourselves up in a room filled with pillows to keep us safe?!

The difference being that guns are things with the purpose of killing easily and efficiently, whereas all that other stuff...aren't.

 

It's not that these things could be dangerous, it's that the entire point of a gun is to be dangerous. Here in the UK it covers other similar things such as knives as well.

[Gouveia]

God damn USA, what's your obsession with guns?

There's any other country where people go in a killing spree so often?

Don't tell me you are able to kill a shopping mall or school full of people with a knife.

 

Brazil has a ban on guns. We have 60k murders per year on our contry. Last week, some guys just shot down 20 random people on a drive by. The week before that, people were shooting at haitians on downtown São Paulo.

 

And yes, we had a lot of people being knifed down on parks last month on Rio.

 

Gun control, by itself, doesn't do sh*t.

 

EDIT: I used the word "ban," but it was a brain fart. It's just too f*cking hard to buy guns. You can't bear arms. You can buy if you're over 25, if you have your own house (a.k.a. no rents), if you haven't ever been in a crime (nor your close family), if you pass through shooting and psychological tests, if you hand over proof that you need to have a gun, if you pay R$60 (USD20)/year and if you're willing to do that sh*t every year. Still, it's one of the most violent countries on absolute numbers.

Edited August 27, 2015 by Gouveia

[Tchuck]

 

God damn USA, what's your obsession with guns?

There's any other country where people go in a killing spree so often?

Don't tell me you are able to kill a shopping mall or school full of people with a knife.

 

Brazil has a ban on guns. We have 60k murders per year on our contry. Last week, some guys just shot down 20 random people on a drive by. The week before that, people were shooting at haitians on downtown São Paulo.

 

And yes, we had a lot of people being knifed down on parks last month on Rio.

 

Gun control, by itself, doesn't do sh*t.

 

 

Brazilian society has a far larger problem than gun bans. The comparison is completely invalid. ("some guys" were also police officers looking to exact revenge, and the shooting of the haitians was done with BB guns as far as I recall)

 

Now, compare Australia, which also had problems with gun crime and mass shootings. Once the laws were put in place to enforce strict gun control, crime rates dropped by a lot and there hasn't been a mass shooting since.

[K20]

adjusting gun laws means sh*t.

 

guns dont make people crazy. they are just crazy. a tool is just a method to kill. people will still kill each other if they want.

Edited August 27, 2015 by K20

[Gouveia]

Brazilian society has a far larger problem than gun bans. The comparison is completely invalid. ("some guys" were also police officers looking to exact revenge, and the shooting of the haitians was done with BB guns as far as I recall)

 

Now, compare Australia, which also had problems with gun crime and mass shootings. Once the laws were put in place to enforce strict gun control, crime rates dropped by a lot and there hasn't been a mass shooting since.

 

 

That's exactly why I said: gun control, by itself, doesn't do sh*t. The guys allegedly are officers looking for revenge, but shooting at random people doesn't make it sound right for me, even though I know how brutal BR police is. And nope, it wasn't BB guns, but rather .22 pistols. The haitians were hospitalized and the case was just brought one week after.

 

Gun control CAN help, but it won't do sh*t if the person, or even the society as a whole, is already rotten, like it is here. That's what I meant to say.

 

EDIT: Like I said, he isn't that clear in the head. Gun control could've made him not purchase a weapon. Legally. That's the only real difference I see.

Edited August 27, 2015 by Gouveia

[Creed Bratton]

I don't even f*cking care anymore. Why don't we outlaw everything that could be dangerous?! Why don't we lock ourselves up in a room filled with pillows to keep us safe?! Here are my great ideas:

 

- No more shooting sports, people could possibly get shot!

- No more motorsports, people could get run over!

- No more baseball, you could kill someone with a baseball bat!

- No more darts, you could poke someone's eye out!

- No more hiking, you could get pushed by someone and die!

- No more sailing, you could get thrown of your boat!

- No more boxing, you could possibly hit someone to death!

- No more chess, you could use a chess piece to choke someone!

 

Why don't we also ban knives and forks? We'll just eat with out hands. Oh ,wait! You could kill somone using your hands! Let's just chop of our own hands!

You are remarkably stupid. How do you do it?

[Coin]

I don't even f*cking care anymore. Why don't we outlaw everything that could be dangerous?! Why don't we lock ourselves up in a room filled with pillows to keep us safe?! Here are my great ideas:

 

- No more shooting sports, people could possibly get shot!

- No more motorsports, people could get run over!

- No more baseball, you could kill someone with a baseball bat!

- No more darts, you could poke someone's eye out!

- No more hiking, you could get pushed by someone and die!

- No more sailing, you could get thrown of your boat!

- No more boxing, you could possibly hit someone to death!

- No more chess, you could use a chess piece to choke someone!

 

Why don't we also ban knives and forks? We'll just eat with out hands. Oh ,wait! You could kill somone using your hands! Let's just chop of our own hands!

 

You have to be trolling. That's the only logical explanation here.

[Gouveia]

You have to be trolling. That's the only logical explanation here.

 

Actually, no. That's how most politicians think over here, in Brazil. Mostly SP's mayor.

 

"Oh, speed kills. It's not the bad asphault, sinalization or even the bad drivers we are forming, no no no! Let's just put a 25mph and 35mph speed limit on the freeways!"

[Raavi]

 

 

approx murders in 2012 in north america is 15,000 approx [googled]. Looking at it habitable area wise, in 2012 Europes murder rate was 22,000 approx.

 

America seems safer than Europe.

 

You argue there were approximately 15.000 murders in 2012 in "North America". In Mexico alone there were 26037 murders in 2012, which is almost double the number you "googled". So I'm going to assume you mean in the United States, as in the country, not North America the continent. Which means you're essentially comparing a country to a whole continent, classic. Now allow me to use your own logic against you. The US had 314.1 million Inhabitants in 2012 with 14287 murders. Europe had 740 million inhabitants in 2012 and, taking your number at face value, 22,000 murders. Quick bit of math (again taking your number at face value) tells us that amounts to a murder rate of 2.97 per 100.000 inhabitants whereas for the US it amounts to a murder rate of 4.54 per 100.000 inhabitants.* Making Europe safer in this metric.

 

*Rates calculated with the rough approximations given of both number of inhabitants and recorded homicides. Real rates differ but support conclusion.