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Why are bad sport lobbies necessary in game like GTA?


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How about everybody just play the game and stop complaining. If you don't like the game go take a loan from the bank start up your own game company and make the game how you want to. I mean damn almost every comment I've seen you really think the world revolves around you and how you want things.

No words to describe just how idiotic and contagious this type of mentality and poor logical thinking is. Clearly all of us here like playing V. That's why we're talking about it. Complaining doesn't = hate and the sooner you and others can start realizing that, the better. If you refuse to accept that though, or simply lack the common sense too, then just sign off and rehash that recycled bullsh*t elsewhere. Who are you to attack me I didn't say anything to offend you I just said people just need to play the game and stop complaining and then you just come out and start verbally attacking me. You sound real big behind a computer screen or phone whatever you're typing on. And let me break it down this way complaining is not going to solve anything. So why do it? So since you think you have common sense why don't you use it. And one more thing did you even understand what I was talking about? I was talking to the people complaining about Rockstar's logic and I'm basically telling them that if they can do better then go ahead but from what you said you couldn't comprehend that. So did it make you feel good to verbally attack someone over a forum website because you didn't agree with what I said? Did it pump up your ego? Edited by cadpimp1207
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Nobody is forced to do anything except people who play the game with the tanks and jets provided for them.

 

 

 

And you've touched on my point exactly. Both have the right to play as they want, but others who like to play the game as if it's the sims aren't forced into some separate session like others are because modding/hacking = killing now and should be paired together.

 

It's ones who have a problem with the killing that are playing the wrong game, no?

 

And that my fellow forumite, is the actual BS here.

 

Now you see, you are assuming you are more right than the other players, which is wrong. You and them are EQUAL. Therefore, you both have the same right to play the game as you choose to - you are not more right if you don`t have a problem with killing. And you choosing to read only what you want, or assume this is what this game is about will still not make it so.

 

Also, nobody is complaining about you killing the same unsuspecting guy 60 times in a row and claim "skillz", or do any of the stupid things people do and claim "sandbox". You have vehicles - learn to aim and kill players and not cars, or go on foot to kill said players if you can`t aim for sh*t. They will defend, you will try to outsmart them, not blow their cars up just because "reasons". Or eat T20 premiums and BS points, no?

 

This game needs police and everybody knows it. It isn`t as strict as it shoul dbe, but it would do, lackign flesh and bones admins, with ban powers. Some people need to learn authority and playing by the rules.

 

This being said, the game offers entertainment - deathmatches, GTA races, etc. Maybe you should use them more and be offended less about not being able to prey on unsuspecting / unwilling targets?

The game already has cops, and Rockstar has made them more aggressive. If someone blows your car up, blow them up! Sounds like you really sucks at this game. You should get better and learn how to protect yourself or piss people off that kill your for no reason.
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How about everybody just play the game and stop complaining. If you don't like the game go take a loan from the bank start up your own game company and make the game how you want to. I mean damn almost every comment I've seen you really think the world revolves around you and how you want things.

No words to describe just how idiotic and contagious this type of mentality and poor logical thinking is. Clearly all of us here like playing V. That's why we're talking about it. Complaining doesn't = hate and the sooner you and others can start realizing that, the better. If you refuse to accept that though, or simply lack the common sense too, then just sign off and rehash that recycled bullsh*t elsewhere.
Who are you to attack me I didn't say anything to offend you I just said people just need to play the game and stop complaining and then you just come out and start verbally attacking me. You sound real big behind a computer screen or phone whatever you're typing on. And let me break it down this way complaining is not going to solve anything. So why do it? So since you think you have common sense why don't you use it.Because this is a forum. You know? One of those message-boards where people discuss things, just for the hell of it at often times? Crazy right?

 

Why did I "attack" you? Because your mentality doesn't make sense. Many bring it up and get ripped apart because it just makes no sense. It doesn't. This is a complaint thread where we complain. Doesn't get more simple than that. Just because we complain doesn't mean we don't like playing the game.

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How about everybody just play the game and stop complaining. If you don't like the game go take a loan from the bank start up your own game company and make the game how you want to. I mean damn almost every comment I've seen you really think the world revolves around you and how you want things.

No words to describe just how idiotic and contagious this type of mentality and poor logical thinking is. Clearly all of us here like playing V. That's why we're talking about it. Complaining doesn't = hate and the sooner you and others can start realizing that, the better. If you refuse to accept that though, or simply lack the common sense too, then just sign off and rehash that recycled bullsh*t elsewhere.
Who are you to attack me I didn't say anything to offend you I just said people just need to play the game and stop complaining and then you just come out and start verbally attacking me. You sound real big behind a computer screen or phone whatever you're typing on. And let me break it down this way complaining is not going to solve anything. So why do it? So since you think you have common sense why don't you use it.Because this is a forum. You know? One of those message-boards where people discuss things, just for the hell of it at often times? Crazy right? calling someone names and discussing or debating video games are totally two different things. Since you have no point to prove and this is becoming a stupid argument I'm going to walk away and be the better man. Because honestly its not worth my time to have a debate with somebody that is close minded. Edited by cadpimp1207
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Yeah because I called you a name, sure. People are so damn quick to pull the name calling card. :sigh: I've come off as aggressive in the past so maybe people are just assuming my posts are full of insults before even reading them? Who knows.

 

The point is, nobody is going to stop complaining just because you said we should. Especially is you're implying that we don't like the game.

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Yeah because I called you a name, sure. People are so damn quick to pull the name calling card. :sigh: I've come off as aggressive in the past so maybe people are just assuming my posts are full of insults before even reading them? Who knows.

 

The point is, nobody is going to stop complaining just because you said we should. Especially is you're implying that we don't like the game.

whatever keeping thinking whatever you want. But common sense would show someone that if someone complains about a game constantly that in fact they're not enjoying it meaning they don't like the game. So your point is invalid. And this pointless discussion is over since you think that only ur point of view is right. In which it's only an opinion nothing more. Edited by cadpimp1207
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Yeah because I called you a name, sure. People are so damn quick to pull the name calling card. :sigh: I've come off as aggressive in the past so maybe people are just assuming my posts are full of insults before even reading them? Who knows.

 

The point is, nobody is going to stop complaining just because you said we should. Especially is you're implying that we don't like the game.

but common sense would show someone that if someone complains about a game constantly that in fact they're not enjoying it meaning they don't like the game. So your point is invalid. And this pointless discussion is over since you think that only ur point of view is right. In which it's only an opinion nothing more.

My all time favorite game is Final Doom: The Plutonia Experiment yet I keep complaining about how its difficult.

 

Your argument is invalid.

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common sense would show someone that if someone complains about a game constantly that in fact they're not enjoying it meaning they don't like the game. So your point is invalid.

Sorry to be rude, but that is quite possibly one of the most laughable statements I've read. And I've read a lot of laughable crap here.

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You can love a game and continue to complain about it.

 

Amazing, right?

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You can love a game and continue to complain about it.

 

Amazing, right?

 

We're on a fan website, so why wouldn't players that are fans and love the game want to see it improved to be the best it can be LOL?

 

Back on topic, griefers/trolls have been present in every multiplayer game that I've ever played. They are a fact of gaming life that can't be solved with something like a bad sport lobby. The requirements to get labeled as a bad sport are laughable at best. Example: You've got 4 players minding their own business sight seeing in a gold Swift drinking champagne and you shoot them down with a homing launcher. No problem, you just got 4 easy kills on people that were causing you absolutely no threat. You pull out your RPG to take out 4 psychos in an armored Kurama that are speeding towards you with 4 AP pistols spitting fire and somehow you're labeled a bad sport LOL.

 

So what is my solution? Simple, change passive mode so that when you choose to join a public lobby you have the option to have it turned on or off. If you choose to enter a lobby in passive mode, then that's it unless you change sessions. You would not have the option to turn it on/off, but you would have the option to use your weapons against cops/NPCS while the weapon would simply not fire if you used it against other players or their vehicles.

 

Sorry for the rant ladies and gentlemen. :lol:

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@Ten-a-penny You're full of sh*t.

Says the idiot who treats this game like CoD.

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@Ten-a-penny You're full of sh*t.

Says the idiot who treats this game like CoD.

 

There is obviously meant to be some amount of PvP fighting in gta though, and I mean in free mode, not just deathmatches and captures. The way the game counts everyone's kills, or the way we can send muggers and mercenaries after people. Or go off radar. Or if your mental state rises, it tells you that you might be "hunted as more lucrative prey" - it pretty much acknowledges that players are allowed to hunt/kill each other.

 

I don't agree when people say it's the only thing you should be allowed to do, or that you shouldn't be able to go shopping or exploring or whatever in peace, but killing each other is also a large part of free mode.

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Nobody is forced to do anything except people who play the game with the tanks and jets provided for them.



And you've touched on my point exactly. Both have the right to play as they want, but others who like to play the game as if it's the sims aren't forced into some separate session like others are because modding/hacking = killing now and should be paired together.

It's ones who have a problem with the killing that are playing the wrong game, no?

And that my fellow forumite, is the actual BS here.

Now you see, you are assuming you are more right than the other players, which is wrong. You and them are EQUAL. Therefore, you both have the same right to play the game as you choose to - you are not more right if you don`t have a problem with killing. And you choosing to read only what you want, or assume this is what this game is about will still not make it so.

Also, nobody is complaining about you killing the same unsuspecting guy 60 times in a row and claim "skillz", or do any of the stupid things people do and claim "sandbox". You have vehicles - learn to aim and kill players and not cars, or go on foot to kill said players if you can`t aim for sh*t. They will defend, you will try to outsmart them, not blow their cars up just because "reasons". Or eat T20 premiums and BS points, no?

This game needs police and everybody knows it. It isn`t as strict as it shoul dbe, but it would do, lackign flesh and bones admins, with ban powers. Some people need to learn authority and playing by the rules.

This being said, the game offers entertainment - deathmatches, GTA races, etc. Maybe you should use them more and be offended less about not being able to prey on unsuspecting / unwilling targets?
The game already has cops, and Rockstar has made them more aggressive. If someone blows your car up, blow them up! Sounds like you really sucks at this game. You should get better and learn how to protect yourself or piss people off that kill your for no reason.

 

 

I was talking about admins, or ways to enforce the rules, not ingame police, but rather outside of the game police. It was really obvious from the whole paragraph: "This game needs police and everybody knows it. It isn`t as strict as it should be, but it would do, lacking flesh and bones admins, with ban powers. Some people need to learn authority and playing by the rules."

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Well there is none. Get better or join a really good crew so they can fight your battles for you. Good luck with the latter.

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I've never been in one but don't see the point.

 

Just make Warzone lobbies where the battle monkeys can go and fight all night.

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Well there is none. Get better or join a really good crew so they can fight your battles for you. Good luck with the latter.

You still didn`t get it. Maybe you need to start with post #1 and read all of them, or try to understand the point of the post you are quoting, or, you know, take some lessons in reading comprehension.

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What most people don't understand is that this is an online game, and there are real human beings(not a Drive reference) behind the screen. GTA always been about havoc and mayhem but this is the first massive online GTA ever (GTA IV had an online mode sure but it wasn't as in depth as V is) on single player you could just take your tanks and blow sh*t up for hours without a care in the world, but when there is online and other people involved Rockstar had to come up with something to remind you not to be a dick, not everyone wants to be blown up 24/7, it is all part of the game but everything in life needs some balance, hence why they come up with the Bad Sport idea.

Think about it this way: No one is telling you can't blow up other PV's, you can do it, you can blow many of them without going to BS.

But you know BS exists and it serves as a reminder that maybe you should slow down a bit when you're doing too much, maybe you should give other players some breathing room because they are people who want to enjoy the game as well.

 

This is where I want to get, BS exists as a reminder and as a last resort for your actions. You get reminded via in game messages that you'll be sent to BS if you don't slow down with the mayhem you're causing, if you want to insist that all you want to do is annoy other players 24/7 then maybe you should be in BS because the game is not about only YOU like in a SP GTA.

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Why isn't there a good sport lobby where people with no reports and very few vehicle kills go? A sort of zero tolerance lobby. Then you'd have the normal lobbies, and then bad sport. Sort of a heaven - earth - hell setup. Except if you f up in good sport, you go back to earth.

 

The only auto paints available would be gold and white. All the female NPC would be nude. Ammo is free because no one buys it. And you get a golden halo instead of a dunce hat.

 

Anyone?

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Because GTA isn't just about causing havoc and chaos. This is just something people do and think it's part of the game. Some players just want do drive around and customise their cars and make some money. The game wouldn't be a whole lot of fun if dicks could show up with a tank and destroy everyone with zero consequences. "or play World of Warcraft" What the f*ck was that for?

This.

 

I never understood why people assume killing other players is meant to be a core part of the game. It's called Grand Theft Auto which means there's a focus on vehicle theft. Where do people like the OP get killing other players from the title of the game?

 

Killing players are what games like Battlefield are for.

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I play lots of missions and heists. I also periodically go on free roam rampages when I get into a really annoying lobby, in which dozens of PVs and their owners are destroyed, and I have yet to go to a bad sport lobby despite routinely unleashing so much carnage, because I still spend much of my time playing constructively. So go figure.

 

The fact that one pays for insurance already is usually enough to keep people from destroying most PVs, especially with so many super cars about, and I find it silly that by comparison, I would suffer no consequences for spawn-killing a low level with a tank a dozen times.

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Why isn't there a good sport lobby where people with no reports and very few vehicle kills go? A sort of zero tolerance lobby. Then you'd have the normal lobbies, and then bad sport. Sort of a heaven - earth - hell setup. Except if you f up in good sport, you go back to earth.

 

The only auto paints available would be gold and white. All the female NPC would be nude. Ammo is free because no one buys it. And you get a golden halo instead of a dunce hat.

 

Anyone?

What about both the male and female NPC's keeping their clothes and me keeping my carpaints in heaven ?
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How about everybody just play the game and stop complaining. If you don't like the game go take a loan from the bank start up your own game company and make the game how you want to. I mean damn almost every comment I've seen you really think the world revolves around you and how you want things.

No words to describe just how idiotic and contagious this type of mentality and poor logical thinking is. Clearly all of us here like playing V. That's why we're talking about it. Complaining doesn't = hate and the sooner you and others can start realizing that, the better. If you refuse to accept that though, or simply lack the common sense too, then just sign off and rehash that recycled bullsh*t elsewhere.
Who are you to attack me I didn't say anything to offend you I just said people just need to play the game and stop complaining and then you just come out and start verbally attacking me. You sound real big behind a computer screen or phone whatever you're typing on. And let me break it down this way complaining is not going to solve anything. So why do it? So since you think you have common sense why don't you use it. And one more thing did you even understand what I was talking about? I was talking to the people complaining about Rockstar's logic and I'm basically telling them that if they can do better then go ahead but from what you said you couldn't comprehend that. So did it make you feel good to verbally attack someone over a forum website because you didn't agree with what I said? Did it pump up your ego?

Omg just stop

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Isn't this game about crime, and chaos? Why should we care if a bunch sensitive cry babies, or children can't take getting killed, or getting their crap blown up in a video game. It's not like we're cheating. We're doing what you're suppose to do in a game like this. Why the hell is Rockstar, encouraging us not to cause mayhem when they give us so much weapons and arsenal that kills? So we can show the weapon's colors off? What they need to do is take off passive mode, and get rid of the bad sports lobbies. If the whiners don't like it, go into an invite only session or play World of Warcraft .

I don't wanna be rude... but you're not that bright are you? It's not a game about crime and chaos, it's a game about whatever the f*ck you want it to be. And believe it or not, not everyone thinks the same way you do. If that's all your GTA has boiled down to then you're not doing the game justice.

If I wanna take a break from killing and blowing sh*t up I'm gonna put passive mode on and relax without some jacked up kid like you, trying to prove to everyone what a badass he is, ruining my fun.

Thankfully, Rockstar doesn't listen to dumb suggestions like this one.

 

I don't wanna be rude... No I really do, because I'm not full of it like you. You're really stupid. Is this your first time playing GTA or something? In every game in the series you must do crimes to get to the top. What makes you think I'm forcing my opinion on everyone? Just because I created thread about mine? If you disagree, that's you. So can it, with all that. What are you some over-protective mom? Who the f*ck cares if I'm being an injustice? It's a video game where you're suppose to be crazy and where you don't have to be polite. There are no morals. Get over it if you're constantly killed. Yeah "jacked up kid". That's cute. Anyway, I do it because I think it's fun and for the LOLs. Rockstar should recommand this because they look like hypocrites. They promise you, you're free to do whatever. But put restrictions and phony rules on things.

 

Hahaha, yeah.... you ARE just a kid. And admit it, you didn't even read my entire post, did you?

I don't even know where to start. You say you're not forcing your opinion, and yet when I tell you it's a game where you can do anything you want, not just go arround killing people, you remain adamant about your very restricted one way of thinking. You out right say it's a game where you're SUPPOSED to be crazy.

Overprotective mom? Because, unlike you I can think of more than one way to enjoy this game? AAHAHAHAHA :D

You sir are a moron.

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Only the person who chopped you won't get any punishment from bad sport (unless you report them). Players who quit jobs early will also get bad sport a lot less frequently than, say, someone who has to deal with a lot of Kurumas/reversing cars.

 

There should be somewhere to put glitchers, and another place to put people who ruin missions, etc. But bad sport/insurance punishes those who simply blow up enemy cars a bit, way more than either glitchers or those who ruin missions/heists.

 

The fact that you had someone chopping people up in a helicopter is proof enough that it doesn't punish those people much - why was he even there, and not in bad sport?

 

The whole bad sport/insurance thing gets used to troll people much more than it gets used to put away people who deserve it.

 

Edit: I can see why bad sport is there, though I have a problem with the stupid ways you can get put in bad sport. Namely blowing up the cars of those who are actively attacking you.

Who knows if he was in bad sport afterwards. He (or she) did get reported.

 

My point is there is a certain segment on this forum that says reporting is a bitch move and everything should be able to be destroyed without consequence.

 

I disagree. Sometimes doing jackass moves are funny, but some f*ckers only know how to troll. And just like that friend that tells the same lame ass jokes over and over again. It becomes tiresome.

 

And I'm sorry...I've blown up plenty of cars and NEVER been in bad sport. If you're constantly putting yourself in situations where you "have to protect yourself", then stop putting yourself in those situations. Or pepper in missions or other jobs to offset your freeroam shenanigans

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Only the person who chopped you won't get any punishment from bad sport (unless you report them). Players who quit jobs early will also get bad sport a lot less frequently than, say, someone who has to deal with a lot of Kurumas/reversing cars.

 

There should be somewhere to put glitchers, and another place to put people who ruin missions, etc. But bad sport/insurance punishes those who simply blow up enemy cars a bit, way more than either glitchers or those who ruin missions/heists.

 

The fact that you had someone chopping people up in a helicopter is proof enough that it doesn't punish those people much - why was he even there, and not in bad sport?

 

The whole bad sport/insurance thing gets used to troll people much more than it gets used to put away people who deserve it.

 

Edit: I can see why bad sport is there, though I have a problem with the stupid ways you can get put in bad sport. Namely blowing up the cars of those who are actively attacking you.

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Who knows if he was in bad sport afterwards. He (or she) did get reported.

 

My point is there is a certain segment on this forum that says reporting is a bitch move and everything should be able to be destroyed without consequence.

 

I disagree. Sometimes doing jackass moves are funny, but some f*ckers only know how to troll. And just like that friend that tells the same lame ass jokes over and over again. It becomes tiresome.

 

And I'm sorry...I've blown up plenty of cars and NEVER been in bad sport. If you're constantly putting yourself in situations where you "have to protect yourself", then stop putting yourself in those situations. Or pepper in missions or other jobs to offset your freeroam shenanigans

 

 

 

Well I don't know how most other people are about it, but I report every cheater who comes after me in free mode (which, being on the 360, means I'm reporting every day). In my opinion, of course it's fine to report people who've done something to actually deserve it, though you do get people who misuse it.

 

I've been reported for as little as just claiming a bounty in free mode, that kind of thing. Especially having a higher than average rank, you get a lot of people who just turn to the report button.

 

I don't disagree with you that there should be something you can do about mission trolls, glitchers, etc. though I do think there are things that get you bad sport points right now which are stupid. Blowing up a hostile car in free mode, for example. It's someone who's quite clearly there to attack, and in many cases if you don't blow them up, you will die.

 

I've been put in twice, though do play a lot of free mode and generally don't hesitate to blow up anyone I have to (who might kill me otherwise). But at the same time, I play a lot of missions too. You don't get a lot of money or a high rank by just playing free mode. It's a mix of things - you blow up a few cars, and then maybe you get a few reports off sour grapes players, then all of a sudden you're grouped with with people who've been reported for cheating.

 

In my opinion, it's a very dodgy system that needs fixing. But each to their own.

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There is obviously meant to be some amount of PvP fighting in gta though, and I mean in free mode, not just deathmatches and captures. The way the game counts everyone's kills, or the way we can send muggers and mercenaries after people. Or go off radar. Or if your mental state rises, it tells you that you might be "hunted as more lucrative prey" - it pretty much acknowledges that players are allowed to hunt/kill each other.

 

I don't agree when people say it's the only thing you should be allowed to do, or that you shouldn't be able to go shopping or exploring or whatever in peace, but killing each other is also a large part of free mode.

And of course, you missed my point.

 

Its normal to kill someone and start a little FR DM. We're not complaining about that. In fact, I actually like FR PvP, because that's the only time I can actually fight somebody. Our point is griefing e.g killing the same person 4857652754 times non-stop and doing the impossible to ruin the player's fun. THAT is not fine and THAT'S what we are talking about. Hell there's a an option to report somebody for griefing, which means its actually forbidden to do that, even in Rockstar's eyes. In other words: PvP =/= Griefing.

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There is obviously meant to be some amount of PvP fighting in gta though, and I mean in free mode, not just deathmatches and captures. The way the game counts everyone's kills, or the way we can send muggers and mercenaries after people. Or go off radar. Or if your mental state rises, it tells you that you might be "hunted as more lucrative prey" - it pretty much acknowledges that players are allowed to hunt/kill each other.

 

I don't agree when people say it's the only thing you should be allowed to do, or that you shouldn't be able to go shopping or exploring or whatever in peace, but killing each other is also a large part of free mode.

 

 

And of course, you missed my point.

 

Its normal to kill someone and start a little FR DM. We're not complaining about that. In fact, I actually like FR PvP, because that's the only time I can actually fight somebody. Our point is griefing e.g killing the same person 4857652754 times non-stop and doing the impossible to ruin the player's fun. THAT is not fine and THAT'S what we are talking about. Hell there's a an option to report somebody for griefing, which means its actually forbidden to do that, even in Rockstar's eyes. In other words: PvP =/= Griefing.

 

Getting punished for blowing up cars doesn't tend to stop that though. If/when you're being killed over and over, you can't even reach your car. Or if you have, that generally means you can get away.

 

So if the griefers who are after you have you pinned down or outnumbered, they can kill you over and over while you're stuck on foot. And the game won't give any type of bad sport punishment for that whatsoever. You can report them yes, but you can report someone whatever they do. The game itself sees someone being killed a billion times, when they're on foot/really vulnerable, as ok - yet if a car gets blown up, it becomes unsporting.

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Hell there's a an option to report somebody for griefing, which means its actually forbidden to do that, even in Rockstar's eyes. In other words: PvP =/= Griefing.

 

 

 

 

Yet.. most of the people who use the report feature use it as a way to STICK it to players who get the better of them.

 

Griefing is subjective. Having a bounty and getting killed can be considered griefing if said player did not want to engage in PVP. And i sh*t you not, i've seen kids RAGE so hard that they where all telling their friends to report said player because they used a HACK to to kill him and take the bounty. (Meanwhile said player is just sniping from a roof top). And if you get too many reports for griefing you get sent to bad sports even tho there is no factual proof to back it up.

 

 

 

So the actual report function is an actual tool for griefing too. :D

 

Get enough kids to gang up on one player and BAM instant bad sport!

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Semaj 2JZ♢

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enough with this spawnkilling idea. You have the option to go passive or leave at any moment. Anyone allowing this to happen, only has themselves to blame. The car's are insured, inanimate objects. They can't do anything without player control. It can't just stop itself from getting destroyed, so you get punished for screwing with it.

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