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anuj

SECRETS & EASTER EGGS

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glenster

Thanks to my reader Colin Attle, who contributed a number of references to my

"Vice City" walk-through, for finding a reference that's N across a block and

street from the "AR" of "MARKET" (also a couple of blocks W of the Market Ammu-

Nation), where there's a store called "SPACEY!"

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/5347/0cjspaceyds6.jpg

 

Colin wrote to me that it probably refers to arcade video games like "Space

Invaders." When he was young, he and some of his friends called such games

"spaceys."

http://www.spacies.co.nz/about.html

http://www.spacies.co.nz/

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Catalina in First Base Mission Says:

My tommy Loves This.( when we make Vechil's Speed fast)

Who the hell is he? user posted image

Maybe tommy verceti from Vice City

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I like 2 find easter eggs in SA

Does anyone know where the cock rock is

thanks

 

What is cock rock??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

catloaf_by_anuj.gif = breadfish_by_Moto.gif

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here's something I just discovered today..maybe it's known..if it is,let me know..I know you will (ha ha)..I'm getting a drink of SPRUNK at the train station in San Fierro and figure I'll jump up onto the overhang above the entrance to the waiting area and start trouble..to my surprise I can't jump up on the front but the sides..no problem..seems there's an invisible barrier across the front of the overhang..you even climb over it on the way down..maybe there was a sign on there origionally..anyone else experienced this?

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here's something I just discovered today..maybe it's known..if it is,let me know..I know you will (ha ha)..I'm getting a drink of SPRUNK at the train station in San Fierro and figure I'll jump up onto the overhang above the entrance to the waiting area and start trouble..to my surprise I can't jump up on the front but the sides..no problem..seems there's an invisible barrier across the front of the overhang..you even climb over it on the way down..maybe there was a sign on there origionally..anyone else experienced this?

It's just some kind of an model bug... Made mistakely by R*. You can find thos all over San Andreas.

 

@dice: it's a big pointy rock which looks like dick biggrin.gif Can be found from Las Venturas, near the abandoned airfield. If You look at it from the right position You can also notice it has balls too.

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Catalina in First Base Mission Says:

My tommy Loves This.( when we make Vechil's Speed fast)

Who the hell is he? user posted image

Catalina says nothing about a "Tommy" in any of her robbery missions.

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Catalina and the girlfriends say some things when Tommy takes them on stunt

jumps and such--could it be something she says at times like that?

 

C**k Rock, W of Verdant Meadows Aircraft Graveyard, looks like Big Stoney in

Kodachrome Basin State Park, near Cannonville, Utah. (Thanks to flying fox; I'm

not sure which of us thought of it 1st.)

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/699/00g...shot111a8sp.jpg

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/5961/00...shot111d8cc.jpg

http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/1482/00...gstoney26mz.jpg

http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/4230/00...igstoney0ii.jpg

 

Shazard found another "Big Stoney" in Commerce. It's in a raised garden in

an entrance lot at the S end of the block of "TOS" of "LOS SANTOS."

http://img426.imageshack.us/img426/9458/00gta1screen29iu.jpg

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He told it again as:

My tommy'll Fill Strange about this.

She says "tummy", slang for stomach.

 

One I found just now: female peds' boobs bounce as they walk. At least the one with a white shirt, blue jeans w/ belt and a ponytail (found her in San Fierro) does.

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I like 2 find easter eggs in SA

Does anyone know where the cock rock is

thanks

 

What is cock rock??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

catloaf_by_anuj.gif = breadfish_by_Moto.gif

a rock with the shape OF A CHICKEN rolleyes.gif

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I like 2 find easter eggs in SA

Does anyone know where the cock rock is

thanks

 

What is cock rock??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

catloaf_by_anuj.gif = breadfish_by_Moto.gif

a rock with the shape OF A CHICKEN rolleyes.gif

No..I don't believe that is true..it is not shaped like a chicken.

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I like 2 find easter eggs in SA

Does anyone know where the cock rock is

thanks

 

What is cock rock??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

catloaf_by_anuj.gif = breadfish_by_Moto.gif

a rock with the shape OF A CHICKEN rolleyes.gif

No..I don't believe that is true..it is not shaped like a chicken.

Yeah, it's shaped like a dick.

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I like 2 find easter eggs in SA

Does anyone know where the cock rock is

thanks

 

What is cock rock??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

catloaf_by_anuj.gif = breadfish_by_Moto.gif

a rock with the shape OF A CHICKEN rolleyes.gif

No..I don't believe that is true..it is not shaped like a chicken.

Yeah, it's shaped like a dick.

YES, it's in verdant meadows, you'll see it when you're in the flight school.

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I like 2 find easter eggs in SA

Does anyone know where the cock rock is

thanks

 

What is cock rock??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

catloaf_by_anuj.gif = breadfish_by_Moto.gif

a rock with the shape OF A CHICKEN rolleyes.gif

No..I don't believe that is true..it is not shaped like a chicken.

Yeah, it's shaped like a dick.

yeah, a dick and two nuts

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I like 2 find easter eggs in SA

Does anyone know where the cock rock is

thanks

 

What is cock rock??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

catloaf_by_anuj.gif = breadfish_by_Moto.gif

a rock with the shape OF A CHICKEN rolleyes.gif

No..I don't believe that is true..it is not shaped like a chicken.

Yeah, it's shaped like a dick.

yeah, a dick and two nuts

Horny rahkstar2.gif

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bagga rabbit

This is probably old news but it might not be common knowledge..in the northeast corner of Dillimore is a house,in the backyard is a "mower" impaled on a tree..wish I could just post a pic but I do not have the hardware. And this is on my PS2 vers. 1 so I don't know if it appears on other versions or systems..but it looks pretty strange

Edited by bagga rabbit

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This is probably old news but it might not be common knowledge..in the northeast corner of Dillimore is a house,in the backyard is a "mower" impaled on a tree..wish I could just post a pic but I do not have the hardware. And this is on my PS2 vers. 1 so I don't know if it appears on other versions or systems..but it looks pretty strange

it's a glitch, not a easter egg.

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This is probably old news but it might not be common knowledge..in the northeast corner of Dillimore is a house,in the backyard is a "mower" impaled on a tree..wish I could just post a pic but I do not have the hardware. And this is on my PS2 vers. 1 so I don't know if it appears on other versions or systems..but it looks pretty strange

it's a glitch, not a easter egg.

yeah, it's very strange, I saw it once, and yes, it's a glitch, but you can see fisher's lagoon from that garden, I took some photos in the sunset from there lol.

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Ed Gein/leatherface Reference:

 

Info: www.myepsilon.org

 

if that doesnt make you belive it then check out this pic

 

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h109/cra...eas/EdGein3.jpg

 

that truck wasnt there for me in the day time then when it started getting dark i went back and it was there. look at the houses and compare them. also look at the car that appears there. looks an awful lot like the one that one in the pic on that myepsilon site

 

another thing (not sure if any one brought up) but this is a real life referance to the panopticon prison

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon

 

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h109/cra...ndreas/jail.jpg

 

but I dont see any comparison really =-/

 

 

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Ed Gein/leatherface Reference:

 

Info: www.myepsilon.org

 

if that doesnt make you belive it then check out this pic

 

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h109/cra...eas/EdGein3.jpg

 

that truck wasnt there for me in the day time then when it started getting dark i went back and it was there. look at the houses and compare them. also look at the car that appears there. looks an awful lot like the one that one in the pic on that myepsilon site

Thats your girlfriend`s house....Cars by your girlfriend`s houses randomly spawn (3am, 00:00, 4pm...)and have random colours...

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oh lol then I suppose that one is busted tounge.gif

 

 

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references to leatherface.. but why do they put them if leatherface is not in the game??? cry.gif

it's useless,isn't it?

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Rockstar's in-joke entertainment, etc., references are usually pretty clear.

If they wanted you to see one about Ed Gein, you'd see one, but there aren't

any. (For a few second hand but valid ones, see the bottom of this post.) The

myepsilon site stretches things, and suggests things with unanswered questions

it isn't hard to answer, to make the facts fit the theory a bit, like something from

the Erich von Däniken shelf at the library.

http://www.myepsilon.org/content/leatherface_comparison.htm

 

A few examples:

 

The gossip site says there's an "abandoned wheel chair in Blue Lagoon"

in "San Andreas," which it connects with a wheelchair in "Texas Chainsaw

Massacre." There's a wheelchair in Fisher's Lagoon in SA similar to one in

"Manhunt," 2003, with different textures. Johnny Sindacco rides in a different

one in "The Meat Businesss" in SA. What it has to do with Leatherface or Ed

Gein beyond an arbitrary speculation about the one in "Texas...." I cannot say.

 

The gossip site connects "San Andreas" meathooks with Ed Gein and "Texas...."

 

The "San Andreas" "meathooks" referred to have animal meat hanging from

them inside the meat processing plant, where you'd expect to find them. The

Sindacco Abattoir ("The Meat Business") in SA is at the NE corner of the block of the

bottom of the "EST" of "WHITEWOOD ESTATES." Nothing out of the ordinary,

or about Ed Gein, is there. A meathook was used in "Texas...." but I haven't

seen a reference to Gein using meathooks. Someone can be seen stuck on one

in the opening of VC, an indication of Mafia violence like the way Carbone ended

up in "Goodfellas," but not SA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodfellas

 

There's a Chainsaw at the lumber camp in the Panopticon in SA because you'd

use a Chainsaw at a lumber camp. Why the site connects that with Ed Gein, I

have no idea. Ed Gein was put in a mental hospital, not a prison, let alone the

Panopticon, didn't murder with a chainsaw, and they didn't have him do hard

labor cutting lumber.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Gein#Trial_hearing

 

"Panopticon" has more general reference than to the famous prison, too, as a

place that affords such a thorough view, which seems like the general reference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon

 

The gossip site sees a resemblance between the farm house of The Farm (also

Helena's house in Flint Range and the save place in Whetstone) and a combination of the

TCM house and Ed Gein's house (?).

 

I didn't see a resembance between The Farm and Ed Gein's house, though

the SA house shown is similar to the "Texan Chainsaw...." house in some aspects,

not others--

 

(the most similar features are reversed in a mirror image way, the SA house

doesn't have a porch, the dormer of the TCM house is in the middle and on the

SA house it's on the left, the peak of the dormer of the TCM house is as high as

the other peak of it and higher than the peak of the SA house dormer, the window

on the left side of the TCM house correlates to the barn door of the barn connected

to the right side of the SA house, the door of each is one of four rectangles in a row

but a different one is chosen for each--to match in mirror image, the right one on

the SA house would be the door, a straight front view shows there are four air

vents on top of the SA house and two chimneys on the TCM house, etc.)

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/1043/gt...05460105zp7.jpg

http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/176/gta...05485934ex7.jpg

http://www.texaschainsawmassacre.net/FilmL...ouse4/index.htm

 

--not enough to clinch a ringer, and there aren't any nearby references,

or ones shown by The Truth, to indicate the intention of making the connection.

Wondering if it's loosely based on the TCM house is as far as it's safe to go.

http://www.myepsilon.org/content/leatherface_ed_gein.htm

http://www.myepsilon.org/content/leatherface_references.htm

 

The gossip site says there are two SA vehicles that also apear in beat up versions--

the Glendale and the Walton--I have the Glendale and the Sadler for that on PC.

 

"Ed Gein had a car that looked something like the Walton truck." I'd like to

see that.

 

According to the Crime Library web site, Ed Gein had a 1949 Ford sedan.

http://www.hfmgv.org/exhibits/showroom/1949/ford.html

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers...n/frenzy_6.html

 

He also had a Ford truck (made sometime before he killed Mrs.Worden in

1957). I don't know what year model it was. A 1956 model is at the next link.

http://www.bobbittville.com/FordF100-1956C...rlesHubbard.jpg

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers...keletons_5.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Gein

 

The body shape is similar but the grill and angel of the windshield aren't the

same as those of a Walton, which isn't meant to look like Gein's Ford.

 

The Walton in SA, like in "Vice City," is a Chevrolet 1st Series 1955

model 3014 with the cab of a Chevrolet 2nd Series 3100 "Task Force"

pickup '55 and a wooden cargo bed.

http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/history/chev_segment6.html

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/1135/00gta1walton18ny.jpg

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/7433/00gta1walton25il.jpg

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/2518/00gta1walton38rk.jpg

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/2589/00gta1walton44qd.jpg

 

At Catalina's shack in Fern Ridge are the top of a rusted junked Walton, beav-

er and racoon pelts hanging from the porch roof, 3 graves (assumed to be of ex-

boyfriends) by a shovel, and blood stains on the porch floor (possibly due to

the last two things)--no indications of cannibalism or using human skin for

clothes.

 

You might imagine a vague resemblance between basic old truck body

shapes and skins, but having an old truck in the yard and clearing the land of

animal pests, though it might be ghoulish to Paul McCartney, is pretty ordinary

in the country. Likewise, one gossip entry (see the "egein hex" gossip below)

imagined a clue in finding a rifle in the country (?).

 

The gossip site alleges that in "TCM," "the youths escapes in a Glendale-type of car."

 

For Glendale, I have:

 

Glendale 1957 Chevrolet Bel Air

1961 Dodge Dart Pioneer four-door

1960 Dodge Dart Phoenix

 

It has headlights above the grill, which has a round spear-like bumper project

from it on either side, like a smoothed-out, simplified front of a 1957 Chevro-

let Bel Air. For example, Rockstar North removed the horizontal bar that goes

across the middle of the front. (A 1955 Buick is similar and would be simpli-

fied, too.)

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/9505/00...ir1957grill.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Bel_Air

 

It has the middle and back end of a 1961 Dodge Dart Pioneer four-door except

for two things.

 

One, once at the back of the trunk, the Glendale strange tail fins slope down

to the rear bumper and the 1961 Dodge Dart strange tail fins curl forward in a

horizontal line to the middle of the side of the body.

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5033/00...ledrtad27hk.jpg

http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/do...history-1.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Dart

 

And two, it has the housing of the brake lights of a 1960 Dodge Dart Phoenix

except smoothed off from front to back.

http://img416.imageshack.us/img416/7463/00...960dodgeqy1.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Phoenix

 

"Texas Chainsaw...." is given by the gossip site as having a car similar to a

Glendale. Aside from the '57 Chevy-looking front, which some Oldsmobiles

had around then, too, the most distinctive thing about the look of the Glendale

is the back, notably the fins, which look like those on a '61 Dodge Dart. The

round protrusions on the side that hold the brake lights are like those on a '60

Dodge Dart. There isn't a Glendale in real life nor in the movie.

http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/do...history-1.shtml

http://www.hubcapcafe.com/ocs/pages01/dodg6001.htm

http://forum.imcdb.org/forum_topic-2467-14...sacre_1974.html

 

The site connects "chuffed to pieces" with Gein and Leatherface, but I don't

know why. The SA theater announces "chuffed to bits" and, according to the

Merriam-Webster Internet dictionary site, "chuff" means:

 

"to produce noisy exhaust or exhalations : proceed or operate with chuffs

<the chuffing and snorting of switch engines -- Paul Gallico>"

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary

 

Gein or Leatherface had a flatulance problem? This would be a novel way to

kill people but I haven't read a report of Ed Gein using it. He huffed notably

while murdering people?--possibly, though I haven't read any mention of it.

The Crime Library site gives Gein as shooting his murder victims and that he

carved corpses in his house.

 

Rockstar may have meant one of the slang definitions given at the next two

links ("chuffed" commonly means "pleased" or "proud" in the U.K.),

but again it wouldn't be the kind of reference the gossip site indicates. Making it

a horror movie title is just meant as a pun on a common expression.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chuff

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chuffed

 

Piggsy in "Manhunt" used animal skin for a disguise, not human, but used a

Chainsaw like Leatherface in "Texas...." According to the Crime Library site,

Ed Gein used human skin from female corpses on his body because he wanted

to be like a woman (I wouldn't want to date that woman) but isn't known to

have covered his head with human or animal skin as a disguise or used a

chainsaw while murdering.

http://www.myepsilon.org/content/leatherface_manhunt.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piggsy#Notable_characters

 

The gossip site alleges a connection between a silver dildo in SA and Gein

painting his mother's vulva silver. Update: I've found a source for the

allegation about Gein (see the next link). But in SA, Bayside Marina has a

light gray-brown vibrator with dark stripes lengthwise, not silver.

http://crime.about.com/od/murder/p/gein.htm

 

The site claims that an "egein hex" poster, allegedly meaning "E. Gein is in

the hex" (in the programming of the game) is "unconfirmed"--a screenshot

would be good. I'm just guessing, but the site at the next link may be the

source of this claim:

http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/6506/t6787...iversary/15.htm

 

There, the claim is the phrase appears on a poster by the Angel Pine theater

which advertises "Chuffed to Bits." I didn't see that when I looked there, however

the theater has a poster for "A Few Good Hens." "w Good Hens" > "egein hex"?

I don't expect to see that screenshot anytime soon....

 

The "open grave in Palamino Creek" is an open coffin that doesn't seem to

refer to any one particular thing. There are Rockstar people named on some

tombstones as Easter eggs. That it glows green at night suggests fiction about

aliens, or just a horror show effect for creepiness, to me, since there was

nothing supernatural like that about Ed Gein. For instance, in Los Santos

there's a crypt with a reference to Spike in "Buffy the Vampire Slayer." The

"open grave" is shown in the "San Andreas" Intro movie, and in the game W of

Verdant Meadows, and is a "Casino" reference. There are several graves by

Catalina's shack that indicate she buries ex-boyfriends in an unprofessional way.

No Ed Gein or "Texas" theories are better than arbitrarily possible additions.

 

For fiction that has a loose connection with Ed Gein, "Psycho," 1960, by Alfred

Hitchcock, and "The Silence of the Lambs," 1991, are pretty good. For the literal

story, the Crime Library web site is pretty good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psycho_%281960_film%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Silence_o...ambs_%28film%29

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers...ein/bill_1.html

 

(Also, since this is sometimes confused with the issue: in VC in "The Job,"

Tommy wears a mask and clothes something like Jason in "Halloween," 1978. After

the mission, the outfit and a machete--Jason used a knife--are available on the

2nd floor of the Malibu Club.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween_%281978_film%29

 

I'll add a few valid connections:

 

A model of Piggsy of "Manhunt," 2003, is on sale at Berkley's RC Shop. Piggsy

used a chainsaw and animal skin, not human skin, for a disguise, which is simi-

lar to Leatherface in "Texas...." using a chainsaw and human skin for a dis-

guise. Leatherface has the use of the skin of corpses in common with Gein, but

Gein didn't use it for a disguise for murdering people or kill with a chainsaw--

he killed with a gun. The only clear GTA movie chainsaw reference is in regard

to "Scarface" with Al Pacino" with Apt.3C in "Vice City" unless you consider a

"Texas...." suggestion made by the "Manhunt"/Piggsy reference in Berkley's RC

Shop in "San Andreas."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhunt_%28video_game%29

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers...sa/1_index.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarface_%281983_film%29

 

You might wonder if the house at The Farm/Helena's house in Flint Range/the

save place in Whetstone is loosely based on the house in TCM.

 

Dennis Hopper is Lefty in TCM2 and Steve Scott in "Vice City."

<a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Texas_Chainsaw_Massacre_2' target='_blank'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Texas_Chainsaw_Massacre_2</a>

 

Hannibal Liquor is on the N block of Montgomery. In "Silence of the Lambs,"

1991, Hannibal Lecter practices cannibalism and "Buffalo Bill" makes clothes

from human skin. Ed Gein may have done the 1st and was known to have done the

2nd.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Silence_o...ambs_%28film%29

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oh sh*t you read all this oh my god i just can't belive this may take hour or two cry.gifsleepy.gif

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removed.

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Sorry for not supplying an abridged version: a lot of the SA myths are full of crap.

 

P.S.: consider, too, the hours someone can be misled to waste running around SA

due to pranksters coming up with phoney gossip to get attention. There was a pretty

healthy-sized batch of it to look at this time.

 

A few books are found on the bed in the Angel Pine and Whetstone save places

in SA: "The Space Gem" by G.M.Bertolli, a book by Philip R. Jones, and "A Few

Good Hens" by John Craig.

 

"Space gem" may be a reference to one of the gem effects in the 1995 Capcom

video game "Marvel Super Heroes."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Super_...8arcade_game%29

http://www.arcade-history.com/?n=marvel-su...=detail&id=1571

http://www.classicmarvel.com/other_stuff/infinity_gems.htm

 

"Philip R. Jones" might be the author referred to at the next links (or a rel-

ative of Lazlow Jones?):

http://www.bookfinder.com/author/philip-r-jones/

http://econpapers.repec.org/article/blasco...3Ap_3A86-92.htm

 

Colin Attle pointed out to me that one of the author's books, "Sign and Symbol

Communication for Mentally Handicapped People," seems relevant to the fact that

people in GTA's express themselves with their hands a lot.

 

"A Few Good Hens" is a pun based on the phrase "A Few Good Men," which was

part of a slogan of the U.S. Marines Corps ("we're looking for a few good men"),

a play by Aaron Sorkin, then a movie in 1992. "John Craig" may be a reference

to the Scottish John Craig educated at the University of Edinburg who's des-

cribed at the second link below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Few_Good_Men

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Craig

 

Thanks again to Colin Attle for telling me that "hen" in Scotland is slang for

a woman you know affectionately.

http://www.firstfoot.com/scottish_dictiona...d=1&t=dict&w1=H

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Something odd I found.

In the Big Ear. You know, the place in the desert with the huge satelite dish. There were two pedestrians walking together. I killed them and went off. When I came back there were two more pedestrians. Killed them, went off and when I came back I saw another two pedestrians happily walking along in the same spot. Glitch? Easter Egg? I'm not sure.

I was using the Jetpack at the time. GIve it a try.

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Maduk

I demand correction! Max Payne was made by Remedy, Rockstar only converted it for consoles.

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alimento

the elvis isnt very mysterious theres heaps of him in las venturas

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Bad~Boy#17
the elvis isnt very mysterious theres heaps of him in las venturas

But only in that mission he apears out side of Las Venturas

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Something odd I found.

In the Big Ear. You know, the place in the desert with the huge satelite dish. There were two pedestrians walking together. I killed them and went off. When I came back there were two more pedestrians. Killed them, went off and when I came back I saw another two pedestrians happily walking along in the same spot. Glitch? Easter Egg? I'm not sure.

I was using the Jetpack at the time. GIve it a try.

are they Mr Hat and Mr Trenchcoat? Dunno about the trenchcoat, but Hat always comes back to life when you turn around. Weird.

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