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The7thOne

Mods being banned.. again (FiveM fiasco)

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helresa

Maybe what R* should do is hire the people behind fiveM and get them to help sort out GTA Online.

 

To be honest IMHO they were banned as they were creating an alternative to Online, which is not just modding SP they are creating a new online service, which bypasses R* existing online provision, which has a certain element of financial transactions, and taketwo would not look favourably on a rival service, they were lucky not to get the boys with the briefcases sent round.

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Sam Lake

Maybe what R* should do is hire the people behind fiveM and get them to help sort out GTA Online.

That wouldn't help cause they want to have fun MP not BS shark cards sh*t MP

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helresa

 

Maybe what R* should do is hire the people behind fiveM and get them to help sort out GTA Online.

That wouldn't help cause they want to have fun MP not BS shark cards sh*t MP

 

 

There is a way for both to co exist...

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Zer0w5

This just seals the deal that Rockstar really has it out on them.

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scalliano

@heiresa: Precisely. FiveM and GTAO offer different gameplay experiences. One is an MMO type deal, the other is an open sandbox where individual servers can have their own rules with or without stats/tracking (think SAMP but with traffic and peds).

 

As an aside, it would appear that in doing this, R* may be contravening UK and EU consumer protection laws regarding provision of services. I'll be watching this closely.

 

EDIT: @Zer0w5: Jesus Christ ...

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helresa

@heiresa: Precisely. FiveM and GTAO offer different gameplay experiences. One is an MMO type deal, the other is an open sandbox where individual servers can have their own rules with or without stats/tracking (think SAMP but with traffic and peds).

 

As an aside, it would appear that in doing this, R* may be contravening UK and EU consumer protection laws regarding provision of services. I'll be watching this closely.

 

EDIT: @Zer0w5: Jesus Christ ...

 

But the point is that it's their online and they don't want somebody creating a rival service...it would be like me trying to create a new taxi app but using Uber's backend. It would hit R* and take two in the pocket so they are not going to allow it... ever.. no matter how much you complain.

 

I don't think you could claim they are violating consumer protection laws, you agreed to the rules of the service when you logged in, you broke the rules....and to quote Willy Wonker "You get nothing!!"

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Silent

Maybe what R* should do is hire the people behind fiveM and get them to help sort out GTA Online.

R* hiring modders?

 

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Don't get me wrong, not meant to be rude, your point is valid. Just expressing my thoughts about the probability of this happening.

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FunGt

This is a stupid move by R* simply because FiveM would have bring more money to R* because NTA intentionally made FiveM to work only on legit version. So who haven't already bought the game, would have bought it when FiveM was released, because it would have been way better than GTAO. NTA encouraged legit version (just benefit for R*), but if R* replied like that, then, f*ck it, really...

 

Now I really hope FiveM will continue and that it will work on legit and non-legit versions (as SAMP and MTA) so that R* understand the mistake they made.

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helresa

 

Maybe what R* should do is hire the people behind fiveM and get them to help sort out GTA Online.

R* hiring modders?

 

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Don't get me wrong, not meant to be rude, your point is valid. Just expressing my thoughts about the probability of this happening.

 

 

I know, but some of the best security experts are ex hackers.... and I should know ;)

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theNGclan

So wait, Rockstar touched up on this issue?

 

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-08-10-rockstar-bans-gta5-modders-who-made-their-own-multiplayer

 

http://kotaku.com/rockstar-has-explained-its-banning-of-gta-v-pc-players-1723366248

 

Uhhhhh, FiveM was designed to combat pirates wanting to play MP. That doesn't make any f*cking sense.

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Claude_Lib

Yep, Rockstar is alarmingly quickly becoming assholes.

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Sam Lake

Not sure who messed up the message if R* itself or Kotaku, both are big idiots but who knows who is bigger

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Silent

Yep, Rockstar is alarmingly quickly becoming assholes.

COMING SOON ON KOTAKU:

 

 

Two assholes

 

Two companies

 

Two publishers

 

Only one can win

 

 

BOBBY KOTICK

 

versus

 

DAN HOUSER

 

 

DON'T MISS THE CHANCE

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Sam Lake

If R* weren't such a d*ckheads and released on begging of PC version dedictated servers with plugin support none of this would happen. But R* nooo they want to sell their f*cking shrekcards that noone buys because there is modder in every lobby which will give money for free

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Claude_Lib

The FiveM project is an unauthorized alternate multiplayer service that contains code designed to facilitate piracy. Our policy on such violations of our terms of service are clear, and the individuals involved in its creation have had their Social Club accounts suspended.

code designed to facilitate piracy

WTF?! NTA & Co stated numerous times that they discourage piracy and made it impossible to use FiveM with pirated game version. It's either Kotaku made it up or Rockstar are so dumb they can't even come up with decent reason for that greedy act of bullsh*ttism.

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MythAlex
"The FiveM project is an unauthorized alternate multiplayer service that contains code designed to facilitate piracy. Our policy on such violations of our terms of service are clear, and the individuals involved in its creation have had their Social Club accounts suspended."

Source: http://www.pcgamer.com/rockstar-responds-to-grand-theft-auto-mod-ban-complaint/

 

 

A message to R* in case they read this forum: You don't even need more money from GTA 5 (and Online), Rockstar -_- You got yourselves rich enough to buy the most expensive products in the world + 10 islands (= over 1,5 billion $). Stop being as*holes and let us play on the alternate multiplayer services. You greedy sons of b*****s. Go work on the next title (GTA 6) now & stop caring about GTA 5's sales (and shark cards sales)... Your GTA Online client isn't impressive nor cheat-secure (that's why modders make their own MP clients using dedicated servers and admins). Try making a better one next time, with modding support, dedicated servers and no MMO-style grind / microtransactions. Then you'll be truly appreciated by the fans (at least, by the PC crowd). And yes, now you may be thinking of not releasing GTA 6 at all on the PC platform -_- You evil clowns.

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epoxi

I would like to point out two things related to the official statement:

 

- All modifications are by definition 'unauthorised,' even those promoted on Rockstar's Newswire.

 

- Usage of FiveM requires you to log into a genuine Rockstar Social Club account, the modification cannot be played without this verification when installed to a standard copy of GTA V.

Edited by epoxi

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fefenc

Companies can take everything away by using the "it's piracy" excuse.

 

Some brazilian taxi drivers are trying to take Uber down and they keep yelling to the Uber drivers: "PIRATE! If they see you in an Uber car, they forces you to get out of the Uber and enter on their stinky taxis and if you refuses to do so, then they'll spank you and they can even kill you. Brazilian taxi drivers are a bunch of monkeys, they really acts like a mafia, don't dare to get your taxi in front of an airport, heh...

 

Some telecomunication companies from Brazil are calling whatsapp as "piracy".

 

This statement, the extremist action of excluding any mention of FIVEM, citizen, tohjo, etc.. from GTA Online just confirms rockstar is the same as the brazilian taxi drivers with their sh*tty services taking down the innovation (FIVEM) because they can't hold any kind of competition.

 

Rockstar is dead, this company isn't worthy to spend any single coin, they hates modders and PC gamers, so we must show themselves how we treat anti-consumer companies like EA and RockEA

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scalliano

 

@heiresa: Precisely. FiveM and GTAO offer different gameplay experiences. One is an MMO type deal, the other is an open sandbox where individual servers can have their own rules with or without stats/tracking (think SAMP but with traffic and peds).

As an aside, it would appear that in doing this, R* may be contravening UK and EU consumer protection laws regarding provision of services. I'll be watching this closely.

EDIT: @Zer0w5: Jesus Christ ...

 

But the point is that it's their online and they don't want somebody creating a rival service...it would be like me trying to create a new taxi app but using Uber's backend. It would hit R* and take two in the pocket so they are not going to allow it... ever.. no matter how much you complain.

 

I don't think you could claim they are violating consumer protection laws, you agreed to the rules of the service when you logged in, you broke the rules....and to quote Willy Wonker "You get nothing!!"

Denial of access to a service which has already been paid for is a violation of consumer protection law in the EU. Now, I'm no lawyer, but this sort of thing has been to court before. No EULA in the world can stand against that. The FiveM guys reserve the right to at least demand a refund. Online services can be cordoned off, perhaps, but to take someone's money only to turn around and say "f*ck you" isn't exactly smart.

 

I said previously that they should remove the hook in out of spite. Scratch that, I say release the source. Proliferate as many versions of the mod as possible. Streisand the f*ck out of it. Remind these f*ckers who they're dealing with ...

 

... Their f*cking CUSTOMERS.

 

Isn't it funny how piracy is always the go-to response when a AAA publisher does something sh*tty ...

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DerekLeet

Seriously, is anybody here a lawyer?

 


Merely threatening them with a lawsuit could get Rockstar and Take-Two's heads and shark cards out of their a**es.
And IIRC the posts on a few of those news articles and on a few posts here, Rockstar violated one of the EU's laws, and two of the users banned are known to live in that area.
And since Rockstar North (the team that developed GTA V) is situated in the UK, they're not exempt from this even if they mention their main studio is in New York.
EA tried fixing itself a bit after a lawsuit hit them with the ME3 ending.
And even if this isn't about a bad ending, Rockstar still banned users who legally did nothing wrong, whom did not mod in GTA Online, prevented pirates from accessing the mod, and gave a mod that could keep hackers out of GTA Online for no reason.

 

Than Rockstar screws up again by giving an answer that gives the impression that they're either hoping that we forget about it...

 

...or that they think they're Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Edited by Silent

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adirtygriff

Seriously, is anybody here a lawyer?

 

 

Seems like they'll just laugh at said lawyer.

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Octane

Why don't people just play the vanilla game? I mean it's even the damn EULA, which nobody reads.

 

The Software is licensed, not sold, to you, and you hereby acknowledge that no title or ownership in the Software is being transferred or assigned and this Agreement should not be construed as a sale of any rights in the Software. Licensor retains all right, title, and interest to the Software, including, but not limited to, all copyrights, trademarks, trade secrets, trade names, proprietary rights, patents, titles, computer codes, audiovisual effects, themes, characters, character names, stories, dialog, settings, artwork, sounds effects, musical works, and moral rights. The Software is protected by U.S. copyright and trademark law and applicable laws and treaties throughout the world. The Software may not be copied, reproduced, or distributed in any manner or medium, in whole or in part, without prior written consent from Licensor. Any persons copying, reproducing, or distributing all or any portion of the Software in any manner or medium, will be willfully violating the copyright laws and may be subject to civil and criminal penalties in the U.S. or their local country. Be advised that U.S. copyright violations are subject to statutory penalties of up to $150,000 per violation. The Software contains certain licensed materials and Licensor’s licensors may also protect their rights in the event of any violation of this Agreement. All rights not expressly granted under this Agreement are reserved by Licensor and, as applicable, its licensors.

 

http://www.rockstargames.com/eula

 

TERMINATION

This Agreement is effective until terminated by you or by the Licensor.

 

Just because you buy the game, does not mean you actually it and can do whatever you want to it. Rockstar Games is a big and powerful company. No matter how

 

much you bitch how bad they are, they are still making sh*t loads of money of the product you purchased. Everytime they announce a new DLC, you sh*t your pants

 

and get hyped, only to be disappointed by it. If you really hate this so much, then STOP, PURCHASING, THERE PRODUCTS. Otherwise stop complaining about how

 

much you hate Grand Theft Auto V; because it is really getting old. You agree to this license when you buy a game, and you break it when sh*t like this happens

 

when you use another company's .NET code or software code.

Edited by IIOctaneII

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_CP_

Because vanilla multiplayer is big pile of sh*t?

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XenoxX

Seriously, is anybody here a lawyer?

 

 

Merely threatening them with a lawsuit could get Rockstar and Take-Two's heads and shark cards out of their a**es.

And IIRC the posts on a few of those news articles and on a few posts here, Rockstar violated one of the EU's laws, and two of the users banned are known to live in that area.

And since Rockstar North (the team that developed GTA V) is situated in the UK, they're not exempt from this even if they mention their main studio is in New York.

EA tried fixing itself a bit after a lawsuit hit them with the ME3 ending.

And even if this isn't about a bad ending, Rockstar still banned users who legally did nothing wrong, whom did not mod in GTA Online, prevented pirates from accessing the mod, and gave a mod that could keep hackers out of GTA Online for no reason.

 

Than Rockstar screws up again by giving an answer that gives the impression that they're either hoping that we forget about it...

 

...or that they think they're Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Good luck suing R*.

If Lindsey Lohan cant, noone can,

 

They use a tactic, in which they switch lawyers everytime to delay the whole procces, until the suing people cannot bear the lawyer costs and stress anymore.

 

Also R* is an american company, doesnt matter where Rockstar North is located, its still an American company

 

There was an article about that unfortunately I cant find it anymore

Edited by XenoxX

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theNGclan

Companies can take everything away by using the "it's piracy" excuse.

 

Some brazilian taxi drivers are trying to take Uber down and they keep yelling to the Uber drivers: "PIRATE! If they see you in an Uber car, they forces you to get out of the Uber and enter on their stinky taxis and if you refuses to do so, then they'll spank you and they can even kill you. Brazilian taxi drivers are a bunch of monkeys, they really acts like a mafia, don't dare to get your taxi in front of an airport, heh...

 

Some telecomunication companies from Brazil are calling whatsapp as "piracy".

 

This statement, the extremist action of excluding any mention of FIVEM, citizen, tohjo, etc.. from GTA Online just confirms rockstar is the same as the brazilian taxi drivers with their sh*tty services taking down the innovation (FIVEM) because they can't hold any kind of competition.

 

Rockstar is dead, this company isn't worthy to spend any single coin, they hates modders and PC gamers, so we must show themselves how we treat anti-consumer companies like EA and RockEA

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You're acting like Rockstar is going to ban every person who has modified a single fragment of the game. Piracy is a problem, this just isn't the right asset to blame.

 

Btw your insults like Ubistar and RockEA suck. Not even funny. And you'll buy GTA VI when it comes out like the sheep you are. We all will. This is a large strike against all of the modding community, sure, but we'll get through it. We'll have the mods we want eventually and by-gones will be by-gones.

Edited by theNGclan

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fefenc

I'd rather be stuck in time playing GTA SA (MTA) or IV when R* cared about quality instead of quantity.

 

You're the ship here, you're the one who always defends GTA Online and U* in every thread from this forum in a way that makes.... no, you look cool when close to Xxenox...

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scalliano

It doesn't matter how big the font size of the EULA is, it doesn't change the fact that Rockstar has yet to demonstrate how FiveM violated the TOS. All we have is a single throwaway statement from them, and one which is an outright fabrication at that.

 

The fact is that if GTA Online had been designed properly, with proper client/server architechture and proper anti-cheat measures, it's likely that FiveM would never have existed in the first place, because it wouldn't need to. Rockstar have seen the modding community pull a better multiplayer experience out of their arse in the space of a few months than they themselves managed in more than five years of development, which could ultimately hurt sales of their beloved shark cards if left to simmer.

 

I, for one, have vehemently defended GTAO in the past. In fact, I still enjoy it, but the PC version is a lawless wasteland and IMO this move by R* is by stealth an admission that they have no clue what they're doing. And of course, throughout all of this, Ni**erMenu remains at large.

 

Forget all of the questionable decisions during GTAV's tenure, THIS is R* finally showing their true form. And damn is it ugly.

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CamxxCore

Bottom line, It's a copyright issue. Regardless of whether FiveM facilitates pirates or not, it is still a clear violation of their copyright statement. There's really nothing to debate.

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theNGclan

I'd rather be stuck in time playing GTA SA (MTA) or IV when R* cared about quality instead of quantity.

 

You're the ship here, you're the one who always defends GTA Online and U* in every thread from this forum in a way that makes.... no, you look cool when close to Xxenox...

You're mad because I called you out on your bullsh*t. You want a reason to bitch and moan about Rockstar.

 

"huehuehue ubistar rockea kesh kurds kurpret gr3d xdddd omg omg"

 

Don't like the game? Don't. Play. It.

 

Problem-Solved.gif

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Phil Cassidy7

So being ban actually prevents you from playing FiveM, and you can't play FiveM by other means because it comes with technical issues (Activation Required error messages, DRM issues... yes yes)

Clearly, they want to kill the project because it is a direct competitor, that much is pretty clear, there is not other way to look at it.

They are horrible people, but they are one good company from a business perspective.

It's a pity that the damaged is always us, the customers.

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