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The7thOne

Mods being banned.. again (FiveM fiasco)

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The7thOne

Okay. A user on Reddit has posted that people involved with FiveM (including people that aren't involved with development) are currently being banned by Rockstar.

 

 

Original post:

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/GrandTheftAutoV_PC/comments/3g9xnu/developers_and_any_affiliated_members_of_fivem/

 

 

"...Getting banned from GTA Online sucks, it does, but it seems that Rockstar is trying their best to completely annihilate any production of multiplayer mods that are completely isolated from Grand Theft Auto: Online."

 

"...It seems that NTAuthority and TheDeadlyDutchi were also banned. Dutchi has used mods before (but a very long time ago) and (as far as I know) NTA has never used single player mods (besides creating FiveM, of course). I found this out today, not too long before I started writing this post."

 

"...NTAuthority and TheDeadlyDutchi was banned on Thursday as well... surprise surprise. I asked Dutchi what time he got the email... 1:52am. We were banned within two minutes of each other. It was certainly a manual ban. This completely rules out the possibility that I was banned for single player mods - the good news is that Rockstar doesn't seem to be banning people for just using single player mods. The bad news is that Rockstar is trying to stifle the modding community."

 

 

Okay, here are my thoughts on the matter.

 

 

Basically, Rockstar is trying to prevent ANY kind of modification to GTA V. EVEN if you use them strictly in Single-Player. They will ALSO ban you if you are affiliated with FiveM in ANY way, shape, or form.

 

This is completely anti-consumer, in my opinion. Literally hundreds of people have been dedicating their own time to developing isolated mods for GTA V, including FiveM. With this in place, ANYONE who develops FiveM, or even plays it, will be banned permanently from Social Club. Yes, permanently.

 

 

I cannot be the only person who is angry at Rockstar Games for once again, trying to prevent any sort of modifications to their game. Sure, it's not to be used in Online, and I understand that. But when they're banning people even for using it in Single Player? It's absolutely ridiculous.

 

 

Sorry for the rant, I just had to speak my mind about this. What Rockstar is doing is extremely asinine.

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Sveittjpong

This just confirms what i've been thinking all along. These greedy f*cks don't deserve our support.

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epoxi

I am led to believe NTAuthority's account was flagged during a time he wasn't even touching GTA, he has been taking a hiatus from FiveM development for personal reasons. NTAuthority says he has never modded GTA:O and I am inclined to believe him. All the signs do point towards a manual flagging of the FiveM development team's accounts.

 

I think the most outrageous step is that they have banned players from single-player, these are paying customers and some of the biggest fans of the game.

 

It appears there is a great lack of coherency in Rockstar's behaviour, on the one hand they publicly condone single-player modding (FiveM is and will remain a mod that does not connect to GTA:O), but on the other hand they appear to be banning users from the game entirely just for making mods for the game.

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gajrajgchouhan

They don't want to make people leave GTA Online,because they make money from it you know,(cashcards).FiveM is better than GTA Online C* !!!!!!!

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theNGclan

It's due to how FiveM hooked into Social Club. Not because the client exists.

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epoxi

It's due to how FiveM hooked into Social Club. Not because the client exists.

If that's the case, it's a seriously bad move. The entire point of leaving the Social Club framework in FiveM was to allow R* to retain DRM control over GTAV, the modification was deliberately not bypassing verification so people would have to buy a genuine copy of GTAV to play FiveM.

 

If what you say is true, then it follows R* would rather you just cracked the game to play FiveM...which does not make sense on any level.

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hornedturtle

I'm not surprised private servers would be banned.

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Spider-Vice

Everyone bashes me for criticising how crappy Rockstar's policies are but this needs to happen for people to see Rockstar's management are a bunch of assholes, I seriously pity whoever works there in lower positions. What Rockstar does is tell the web team to post that they're absolutely not against modding, but then they start banning people because it's against "their vision" of GTA O and whatever, as if those things can be made under the rug. It's ridiculous, it's awful and there's nothing we can ever do because Rockstar has all the power in the gaming industry.

Really sad to see this happen, even though those people didn't even use GTA O for obvious reasons.

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cp1dell

The one thing I want to point out is that they're not trying to prevent any modding, even if it's just single-player, like the OP says. They've said they don't have anything against it. What they're against is FiveM obviously, since it's an alternative to V's default multiplayer - GTA:O, which they obviously want people to stick with.

 

SP modding is still totally fine, and they're not against it. That's what they have stated they don't mess with. FiveM doesn't fall into that "Singleplayer Modding" category, but regardless - it is scummy that they are basically trying to squash the "competition" by banning people from their games completely, so people are forced to use their multiplayer.

 

That, or what NGclan suggested.

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SARDYNA108

I think you should read what is writen on GTA V start screen:

 

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My is in polish but you can check on yours. Modyfikacja is modification and it's not allowed.

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Spider-Vice

I think you should read what is writen on GTA V start screen:

 

 

 

My is in polish but you can check on yours. Modyfikacja is modification and it's not allowed.

Nope.

 

http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/52429/asked-answered-the-rockstar-editor-gta-online-updates

 

“I’m having soo much fun with GTAV on the PC but I just have one question about it, how come you are not allowing mods for it?” - @ClarkMatthew63

“Will I get banned from GTA Online for using a FoV Mod or Oculus Rift mod?” - @Mattophobia

We have always appreciated the creative efforts of the PC modding community and we still fondly remember the awesome zombie invasion mod and original GTA map mod for GTAIV PC among many other classics. To be clear, the modding policy in our license has not changed and is the same as for GTAIV. Recent updates to GTAV PC had an unintended effect of making unplayable certain single player modifications. This was not intentional, no one has been banned for using single player modifications, and you should not worry about being banned or being relegated to the cheater pool just for using single player PC mods. Our primary focus is on protecting GTA Online against modifications that could give players an unfair advantage, disrupt gameplay, or cause griefing. It also bears mentioning that because game mods are by definition unauthorized, they may be broken by technical updates, cause instability, or affect your game in other unforeseen ways.

 

Which is a false statement.

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cp1dell

And they still aren't banning people for using singleplayer mods. They're staying true to what they said.

 

What they never commented on was what they would do if people tried to supply an alternative to GTA:O - and obviously they don't like it. Which is still sh*tty if you ask me.

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theNGclan

 

It's due to how FiveM hooked into Social Club. Not because the client exists.

If that's the case, it's a seriously bad move. The entire point of leaving the Social Club framework in FiveM was to allow R* to retain DRM control over GTAV, the modification was deliberately not bypassing verification so people would have to buy a genuine copy of GTAV to play FiveM.

 

If what you say is true, then it follows R* would rather you just cracked the game to play FiveM...which does not make sense on any level.

 

He integrated Social Club to allow only legit players to play FiveM. Just remove SC and let the pirates play. It's safer that way.

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XenoxX

This cannot happen, because Rockstar Support Agents arent allowed to(they cant even) issue manual bans since the "mod removal maintanence".

 

Back then, Support Agents were able to ban modding Twitch streamers and even Twitter handles.

Now they cant anymore.

 

Everything was replaced by an automatic system + reports sent to R* Banhammer(This ban will be issued AFTER an Update).

 

The 2 modders who got banned, are either lying to not have cheated in Online OR they got "falsly" reported by someone.

 

I cannot see anyone at Rockstar bothering about people making a new MP Mod, hell they dont even bother about Se7ensins.


 

It's due to how FiveM hooked into Social Club. Not because the client exists.


If that's the case, it's a seriously bad move. The entire point of leaving the Social Club framework in FiveM was to allow R* to retain DRM control over GTAV, the modification was deliberately not bypassing verification so people would have to buy a genuine copy of GTAV to play FiveM.

If what you say is true, then it follows R* would rather you just cracked the game to play FiveM...which does not make sense on any level.

 

I saw some reports that the SC login system was just "fake" so you could login with your SC Account eventhough it did not have GTA V on it and play the MP Client.

This would at least in my opinion justify a ban, as it condones Piracy, an illegal action.

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epoxi

Not you again.

 

 

I saw some reports that the SC login system was just "fake" so you could login with your SC Account eventhough it did not have GTA V on it and play the MP Client.

Once again, time to prove another one of your mindless claims is unfounded:

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As you can see, the user is failing to log into FiveM because their R*SC account is banned. Being an open source project, you can go and see the verification process has been left in.

 

Please stop posting mindless drivel, this isn't the first time I've had to deal with your nonsense.

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lpgunit

 

 

It's due to how FiveM hooked into Social Club. Not because the client exists.

If that's the case, it's a seriously bad move. The entire point of leaving the Social Club framework in FiveM was to allow R* to retain DRM control over GTAV, the modification was deliberately not bypassing verification so people would have to buy a genuine copy of GTAV to play FiveM.

 

If what you say is true, then it follows R* would rather you just cracked the game to play FiveM...which does not make sense on any level.

 

He integrated Social Club to allow only legit players to play FiveM. Just remove SC and let the pirates play. It's safer that way.

 

It would be a catch-22 though - letting pirates play online would lead to equal consequences just as much as hooking to RGSC.

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southparkmayor

I read that if you get banned for cheating and modding and such in Online, you cant play singleplayer or any other R* game tied to your SC account. Is this True?

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Kirsty

 

Please refrain from derailing this topic with conspiracy theories: opinions are not facts and yours in particular contribute nothing to the discussion at hand when your claims about Rockstar are often refuted.

 

Thank you.

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customkingpimp

There needs to be 2 separate installs for PC, one for online and one for single player.

Have the single player files all there in the open easily found and not encrypted for modding.

 

Then the online side of it, Have the important files that would be needed to mod in the cloud that load with the game. The other things like textures and the map load from the PC so it would not take ages to load.

Just my drunk idea.

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theNGclan

I read that if you get banned for cheating and modding and such in Online, you cant play singleplayer or any other R* game tied to your SC account. Is this True?

Only GTA V from what I can tell. Idk about MP3. GTA IV will be fine.

 

 

 

It's due to how FiveM hooked into Social Club. Not because the client exists.

If that's the case, it's a seriously bad move. The entire point of leaving the Social Club framework in FiveM was to allow R* to retain DRM control over GTAV, the modification was deliberately not bypassing verification so people would have to buy a genuine copy of GTAV to play FiveM.

 

If what you say is true, then it follows R* would rather you just cracked the game to play FiveM...which does not make sense on any level.

 

He integrated Social Club to allow only legit players to play FiveM. Just remove SC and let the pirates play. It's safer that way.

 

It would be a catch-22 though - letting pirates play online would lead to equal consequences just as much as hooking to RGSC.

 

CitizenFX on GTA IV (which FiveM is built off of) works for pirates just fine. No consequences. I think the lack of anti-piracy measures for a thirdparty mod would be fine.

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fefenc

Not you again.

 

I saw some reports that the SC login system was just "fake" so you could login with your SC Account eventhough it did not have GTA V on it and play the MP Client.

Once again, time to prove another one of your mindless claims is unfounded:

ZXob4J6.png

As you can see, the user is failing to log into FiveM because their R*SC account is banned. Being an open source project, you can go and see the verification process has been left in.

 

Please stop posting mindless drivel, this isn't the first time I've had to deal with your nonsense.

 

Don't bother yourself on repling this guy, he is a 13y'old troll who defends R* in every thread no matter how much R* f*cked up in any situation... I also had to deal with his nonsenseness some time ago and I watched others doing the same..

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qaisjp

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qaisjp

I used to love Rockstar.

 

I probably would still love them... if I could play any of their games.

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Claude_Lib

What will happen if I get banned? Will I no longer be able to play the multiplayer? Ha, I can't remember last time I went Online. Except maybe when I borrowed my friend's PS3 to become the returning player. Or will it affect FiveM too? Even though I barely played it either, but if so then NTA really needs to teach FiveM to tell "I don't own the game" from "I own the game but these dumbs banned me for whatever reason they can come up with".

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qaisjp

What will happen if I get banned? Will I no longer be able to play the multiplayer? Ha, I can't remember last time I went Online. Except maybe when I borrowed my friend's PS3 to become the returning player. Or will it affect FiveM too? Even though I barely played it either, but if so then NTA really needs to teach FiveM to tell "I don't own the game" from "I own the game but these dumbs banned me for whatever reason they can come up with".

https://www.reddit.com/r/GrandTheftAutoV_PC/comments/3g9xnu/developers_and_any_affiliated_members_of_fivem/

 

or if you don't want to reddit

 

I can't play single player, FiveM or any other Rockstar game that uses RAGE. No Max Payne for me.

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cp1dell

I know it's not condoned on these forums, but in a situation like this where you're essentially banned from all your RGSC games because they don't want people making an alternative to the terrible thing that is GTAO - even banned from unrelated games - I think it's pretty justified if you went on some certain websites and did some things so you could continue playing them. Pretty ridiculous.

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fefenc

No doubt this was an attempt to eliminate the competition against GTA Online. Rockstar is against mods and modders, R* will do everything to stop them, this was confirmed a long time ago.

 

I hope FIVEM will destroy GTA Online (in terms of popularity), then FIVEM will save the GTA franchise from its little monster.

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_MK_

Using all kind of mods here since the release of scipthook and no ban yet,as for that trash called GTAO gave a fast try somewhere in the beginning of April and that was it.

This company is taking this matter to a whole new level,can understand the reason for them not supporting mods but hunting SP+mod players down ? generating all this hate for something as worthless and boring as GTAO is stupid as it gets,It's even more ridiculous if they think by doing this that people would actually start thinking to play GTAO or make it any popular for that reason.

Already regret paying full price for this since according to their joker policy we can't have the free will to even start the game in SP OFFLINE without being connected to the web,basically everything they do is against SP and its goods.

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Sam Lake

It's easy to show you are agains it, just send them email you won't buy next game if they don't unban them and then don't actually buy game but pirate it. That's only thing R* is hearing MONEY.

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MarshallRawR

Never forget that Take Two is up there too, and between Rockstar and TakeTwo, it's easy to know who would want money over mods first.

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