Griefing vs Allowed Behavior

[Eggobites90]

Where exactly is the line between unnacceptable griefing and playing by the rules?

 

There will always be players who refuse to use passive mode to avoid being killed, and many of them will be upset at being killed/interacted with.

Edited July 17, 2015 by Eggobites90

[soundism]

It's all griefing, from the moment you lay eyes on one another.

[CarimboHanky]

endless killing = allowed behavior

 

blow up a PV = griefing!

[TreFacTor]

endless killing = allowed behavior

 

blow up a PV = griefing!

/Thread

[AboveAndBeyoncé]

There will always be players who refuse to use passive mode to avoid being killed,

Someone yesterday on GTA told me they don't believe in using passive mode

 

But griefing is relentlessly coming after a player long after he leaves you alone( which I like because when they chase me I really trip them up in vinewood hills, and the alleyways of vinewood and downtown)

 

Allowed behavior is when they both keep battling willingly

Edited July 17, 2015 by AboveAndBeyoncé

[Chloroform]

I think after awhile it becomes pathetic. Its fun if two people are having a great gun battle BUT the second a friend comes along and they have this sense of empowerment, its disgusting.

 

Rarely have I been in a great gun fight where the people involved are being friendly. Too many assholes that want to make a name and stake their claim in this imaginary medal that is given out. If a gun battle is one sided, I just leave.

Edited July 17, 2015 by Chloroform

[Soran Is On]

I find passive mode pisses people off even more than just killing them over and over. Kill, passive, honk honk honk, drive away, unpassive, kill, passive, honk honk honk, read hate mail.

[Eggobites90]

But if the other player has a remedy available to him (passive mode), we should be free to kill them relentlessly.

[Broblab]

 

There will always be players who refuse to use passive mode to avoid being killed,

Someone yesterday on GTA told me they don't believe in using passive mode

 

But griefing is relentlessly coming after a player long after he leaves you alone( which I like because when they chase me I really trip them up in vinewood hills, and the alleyways of vinewood and downtown)

 

Allowed behavior is when they both keep battling willingly

 

thats like not believing in condoms or vaccines.

 

just because you dont believ ein something, it doesnt mean its not going to screw you in the end if you choose not to use it.

[God.]

Kill countless amounts of players, insult them, follow and kill them is fine.

 

Blow up a car = OMG NOO GRIEFER GOTTA SEND U TO THE BAD SPURT LOBBY!!

[BigJoe_1]

Griefing

 

When a player initiates a gunfight with another player that hasn't annoyed/griefed them in any way.

 

 

Allowed behaviour

 

Retaliation to griefing in itself isn't griefing because you have an actual cause, griefers have no logical cause. Bounty hunting, going after the HPV, going after the smuggler plane are all forms of competition which therefore aren't griefing.

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

Its a sandbox, griefing is allowed

[FlacidJack]

The best is when a player said i'm griefing after he chased and killed me first. Then I retaliate for a handful of minutes and he bitches that i'm picking on a lower level. Funniest part is he kept coming back for more, I just didn't try to escape the second, third + time so technically he was upset he couldn't grief me.

 

They always have a choice to go passive so griefing can be stopped. Getting griefed is easily curbed in this game imo.

Edited July 17, 2015 by FlacidJack

[Semaj 2JZ♢]

Griefing is singling a person out for a specific reason. It includes excessive persuance and even going so far as to follow to another lobby, should they have chosen to leave.

 

Killing whoever is there is just a part of it. The only time I've singled someone out was when some kid was talking sh*t, money this, ammo that, modderz this, guna get my bizzard that, bla bla bla. So I went to shut his ass up. By no means did I wipe the floor with him, but I did end up 2 kills to the good on him after about 4 rounds of back and forth. He went quiet, and then I'm being voted to get kicked...go figure.

[Eggobites90]

Griefing

 

When a player initiates a gunfight with another player that hasn't annoyed/griefed them in any way.

 

 

Allowed behaviour

 

Retaliation to griefing in itself isn't griefing because you have an actual cause, griefers have no logical cause. Bounty hunting, going after the HPV, going after the smuggler plane are all forms of competition which therefore aren't griefing.

So in free roam, nobody kills each other unless they are going for an objective or griefing?

[Chloroform]

Its a sandbox, griefing is allowed

Actually its not, that's why you can report players for doing it.

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

 

Its a sandbox, griefing is allowed

Actually its not, that's why you can report players for doing it.

 

good point, i stand corrected.

still its kinda vague what grieving is

to be fair if one kills you over and over he coud give the excuse of trying to unlock weapon tints.

also i doubt rockstar ever punished a griever that didn't use glitches, mods or blow up PV's ever to be honest

[Eggobites90]

Why are there gun tint unlocks and awards specifically for killing hundreds of players in free roam?

[Chloroform]

 

 

Its a sandbox, griefing is allowed

Actually its not, that's why you can report players for doing it.

 

good point, i stand corrected.

still its kinda vague what grieving is

to be fair if one kills you over and over he coud give the excuse of trying to unlock weapon tints.

also i doubt rockstar ever punished a griever that didn't use glitches, mods or blow up PV's ever to be honest

Oh I'm sure they haven't, I think its to "protect" themselves in away. Sure you can say "I was trying to unlock tints" but it becomes excessive if you kill someone over 30 times. I feel if the gunfight is one sided, call it quits.

[Eggobites90]

If a gun fight is one sided, the person dying should quit. That is on them,

[Procopius]

Killing players is not necessarily griefing.

 

Someone who griefs is someone who derives his or her own fun from actively and purposefully ruining the fun of others. They feel better about themselves by putting other people down and/or causing them grief. This can be done in various ways, for example by deliberately failing heists, killing the same person over and over again, sending them hate filled messages, or whatever. With the anonymity of the internet that's real easy.

 

You can grief without killing anyone. You can kill players all day everyday and still not be griefing. As far as I'm concerned it's all good as long as your idea of "fun" doesn't require ruining the fun of others on purpose.

 

Or as Mr. T. would say: I pity the fool that can't have a good time without ruining the fun of others.

Edited July 22, 2015 by Procopius

[Chloroform]

If a gun fight is one sided, the person dying should quit. That is on them,

So some people don't like a challenge? Its just about killing? And in most cases the person losing is more then likely trying to leave and the person that is killing is "griefing".

[Nomad0202]

Allowed behaviour = everything

Griefing = Player to stupid to leave.

 

I have never been griefed. You must allow it to happen. Every player can remove themselves from that situation. There is a plug on the wall.

[JaegerPilot1]

I griefed a player because while I was in SubUrban yesterday they planted a proximity mine on my T20. I did not see it when I came out and both my car and I blew up. I then decided to constantly kill that player. I think I killed them 15 times before they decided to leave.

[pete_95973]

Griefing is singling a person out for a specific reason. It includes excessive persuance and even going so far as to follow to another lobby, should they have chosen to leave.

 

Killing whoever is there is just a part of it. The only time I've singled someone out was when some kid was talking sh*t, money this, ammo that, modderz this, guna get my bizzard that, bla bla bla. So I went to shut his ass up. By no means did I wipe the floor with him, but I did end up 2 kills to the good on him after about 4 rounds of back and forth. He went quiet, and then I'm being voted to get kicked...go figure.

 

How can someone follow you to another lobby? If you are not friends with them how could they follow? I am on PS4. Maybe this is a PC thing?

[Semaj 2JZ♢]

 

Griefing is singling a person out for a specific reason. It includes excessive persuance and even going so far as to follow to another lobby, should they have chosen to leave.

 

Killing whoever is there is just a part of it. The only time I've singled someone out was when some kid was talking sh*t, money this, ammo that, modderz this, guna get my bizzard that, bla bla bla. So I went to shut his ass up. By no means did I wipe the floor with him, but I did end up 2 kills to the good on him after about 4 rounds of back and forth. He went quiet, and then I'm being voted to get kicked...go figure.

How can someone follow you to another lobby? If you are not friends with them how could they follow? I am on PS4. Maybe this is a PC thing?

On 360, in the message system lists all the players in your current and previous lobby(s). You can select one in a game already and choose to join their session.

[AboveAndBeyoncé]

 

 

Griefing is singling a person out for a specific reason. It includes excessive persuance and even going so far as to follow to another lobby, should they have chosen to leave.

 

Killing whoever is there is just a part of it. The only time I've singled someone out was when some kid was talking sh*t, money this, ammo that, modderz this, guna get my bizzard that, bla bla bla. So I went to shut his ass up. By no means did I wipe the floor with him, but I did end up 2 kills to the good on him after about 4 rounds of back and forth. He went quiet, and then I'm being voted to get kicked...go figure.

How can someone follow you to another lobby? If you are not friends with them how could they follow? I am on PS4. Maybe this is a PC thing?

On 360, in the message system lists all the players in your current and previous lobby(s). You can select one in a game already and choose to join their session. On PS3 if they are in a crew and it's open enrollment then join their crew and follow them that way

[BigJoe_1]

 

Griefing

 

When a player initiates a gunfight with another player that hasn't annoyed/griefed them in any way.

 

 

Allowed behaviour

 

Retaliation to griefing in itself isn't griefing because you have an actual cause, griefers have no logical cause. Bounty hunting, going after the HPV, going after the smuggler plane are all forms of competition which therefore aren't griefing.

So in free roam, nobody kills each other unless they are going for an objective or griefing?

 

That's the way it should be. Griefing isn't a competition, it's a mindless activity without an actual result, you're losing money not making it.

 

In free roam people should only kill each other in a 1v1, in competition for a bounty or object, crew deathmatches (should be done in crew sessions though) and if someone sets a bounty on them or sets a mugger on them (retaliation).

 

Griefing is pointless and doesn't even earn the person doing it any real pride, they forget all about it the next day.

[hotline.n.w.refn]

Wow, all I read on the forums these days is troll this and griefer that...

If you don't want to get killed, go passive. If you want to cause mayhem and not get killed by other people, do an invite-only session. That's it. Those solutions do not in any way diminish from your fun. If you don't use them, you have no right to complain. Asking for anonymous people to be nice to each other in an online criminal mayhem simulator is just not having a good grasp on reality and not understanding the human condition, chief.

[iBUCKEYE]

 

 

Griefing

 

When a player initiates a gunfight with another player that hasn't annoyed/griefed them in any way.

 

Allowed behaviour

 

Retaliation to griefing in itself isn't griefing because you have an actual cause, griefers have no logical cause. Bounty hunting, going after the HPV, going after the smuggler plane are all forms of competition which therefore aren't griefing.

 

So in free roam, nobody kills each other unless they are going for an objective or griefing?

 

That's the way it should be. Griefing isn't a competition, it's a mindless activity without an actual result, you're losing money not making it.

 

In free roam people should only kill each other in a 1v1, in competition for a bounty or object, crew deathmatches (should be done in crew sessions though) and if someone sets a bounty on them or sets a mugger on them (retaliation).

 

Griefing is pointless and doesn't even earn the person doing it any real pride, they forget all about it the next day.

You want to know something else that is pointless? Video games.

 

Why do we bother with them? Because they're fun. Why do people pvp in free roam? Because it's fun.