About Johnny

[ten-a-penny]

I'm a big Johnny hater yet I do agree that the way how died was a bit.... out of place?

[FlyingRat]

I really hope that in GTA VI Trevor gets the same way killed as Johnny got killed

[Xing of Virtue]

Alas, he already died.

[A.O.D.88]

I thought option B was canon in your opinion?

[Xing of Virtue]

True but millions of others have considered A their own canon ending. They really don't expect him to be back.

Edited August 11, 2015 by Xing of Virtue

[A.O.D.88]

The situation has now moved from "Deal" to "Revenge" Dimitry.

[Cheatz/Trickz]

I thought Option C was considered canon dating back to when Rockstar made that comment about continuing "M, F and T's adventures" for the DLC? And even though there is still no DLC that comment would still mean that C was the intended canon ending.

[A.O.D.88]

I thought Option C was considered canon dating back to when Rockstar made that comment about continuing "M, F and T's adventures" for the DLC? And even though there is still no DLC that comment would still mean that C was the intended canon ending.

Agreed. All the evidence for option C being canon is far greater than against!

[CarlitoDorito]

It's possible it was meant to make people sad rather than angry. A character some really like, now a desperate meth head, which could probably happen. He wasn't involved in anything but crime, a biker gang, other meth heads, cooking it all day, LC went bad. Ashley was already a junky and he loved her. Meth heads do sell themselves for meth so her and Trevor is realistic I guess as she was paying for it with her body. Sort of a look what happens in this criminal world, you can't do all that sh*t and not expect consequences thing. Aren't drugs like meth fun. Trevor isn't some moral champion so him loving meth is different to the depressing reality of it. I think rockstar like both parody and political messages now. Like the torture thing.

 

 

Imagine a happy ending, Ashley quit the drugs, Johnny restarted the LC lost, becoming the biggest and most successful biker gang ever, they all have 2 bikes each and their bar is clean, that's success. Johnny and Ashley got married, living to the ripe old age of 97, they died in their sleep. They are survived by 19 grand children and 37 great grand children. They carry the Lost name still, spreading across the world. It's less depressing

 

Edited August 11, 2015 by CarlitoDorito

[Cheatz/Trickz]

It's possible it was meant to make people sad rather than angry. A character some really like, now a desperate meth head, which could probably happen. He wasn't involved in anything but crime, a biker gang, other meth heads, cooking it all day, LC went bad. Ashley was already a junky and he loved her. Meth heads do sell themselves for meth so her and Trevor is realistic I guess as she was paying for it with her body. Sort of a look what happens in this criminal world, you can't do all that sh*t and not expect consequences thing. Aren't drugs like meth fun. Trevor isn't some moral champion so him loving meth is different to the depressing reality of it. I think rockstar like both parody and political messages now. Like the torture thing.

 

 

Imagine a happy ending, Ashley quit the drugs, Johnny restarted the LC lost, becoming the biggest and most successful biker gang ever, they all have 2 bikes each and their bar is clean, that's success. Johnny and Ashley got married, living to the ripe old age of 97, they died in their sleep. They are survived by 19 grand children and 37 great grand children. They carry the Lost name still, spreading across the world. It's less depressing

 

 

I think it was more due to the fact that at the end of TLAD, despite the the fact that his life had turned to sh*t, Johnny was still strong willed enough to finally reject Ashley and not just let her drag him down even further. It would be equally realistic for Johnny to chill in LS with The Lost, legally, and not addicted. Even though what happened is still just as realistic, from a storytelling standpoint it's a big FY to fans of Johnny's character arc. Has me concerned what they'd do to Niko or Luis if they ever returned.

Edited August 11, 2015 by Cheatz_N_Trickz

[Knight_Teutonic]

Having Trevor to kill a protagonist like that was the R* way of convincing the fans that he wasn't a normal hillybilly, but a dangerous, mentally unstable sociopath and someone who shouldn't be messed with. I don't think that the negative reaction from Johnny's fans was intentional.

Edited August 11, 2015 by Knight_Teutonic

[Linerax]

From a societal POV, Johnny was the way to go. If Trevor killed a GTA Black main character, the Black community(especially in the USA) would become all riled up and call unjust and perhaps leading to another mark on GTA's list of controversies. Having Niko killed would insight old Cold War ties between Russia and USA, even cause Russian media to announce the "Trevor-kill-Niko" situation as American propaganda. Other than Johnny I guess Tommy Vercetti from Vice City would be the option, but would be difficult as to explain why Vercetti would be in Blaine County. Easier to choose Johnny as there are actual biker hangouts in real life California's desert region.

[UshaB]

Having Niko killed would insight old Cold War ties between Russia and USA, even cause Russian media to announce the "Trevor-kill-Niko"

 

He's Serbian. Russians hate the Serbs.

[Xing of Virtue]

From a societal POV, Johnny was the way to go. If Trevor killed a GTA Black main character, the Black community(especially in the USA) would become all riled up and call unjust and perhaps leading to another mark on GTA's list of controversies. Having Niko killed would insight old Cold War ties between Russia and USA, even cause Russian media to announce the "Trevor-kill-Niko" situation as American propaganda. Other than Johnny I guess Tommy Vercetti from Vice City would be the option, but would be difficult as to explain why Vercetti would be in Blaine County. Easier to choose Johnny as there are actual biker hangouts in real life California's desert region.

I guess killing Jews is not much of a controversy either anymore, huh?

[slimeball supreme]

 

 

I thought Option C was considered canon dating back to when Rockstar made that comment about continuing "M, F and T's adventures" for the DLC? And even though there is still no DLC that comment would still mean that C was the intended canon ending.

 

Agreed. All the evidence for option C being canon is far greater than against!

I like to think this whole'Universe' thing is really loose in the whole terms of it.

In V Frank says to Jimmy about 'the tale of Grove Street' and how it isn't a myth and actually happened.

So what I gather from that is that the events of the 3D universe DID happen, but with:

A. DIFFERENT characters (instead of CJ, we have someone else who is the HD universe equivalent. So say his name in the HD universe is like, Harold Davis, so it's the story of HD instead of CJ ('pun' intended). Another easy able thing to think from this is CJ DOES exist in the HD universe, but wasn't nearly as important in it as in SA.

B. Not only did the events of GTA SA (and Vice City etc.) happen in the HD universe, but also different occurrences might have happened, like a divergence in the timeline. (So maybe in the 3D universe, the events of GTA 4 happened as well, but with a different cast/turn out.

Another optional theory is that GTA CW happens in a 3D/HD mix, so the events of both IV and III both happened in it. It explains why nothing about it is mentioned in GTA V (and my previous theory on different characters explains Huangs presence on the LCPD database.

C. The events of the 3D universe are actually told as stories in the HD universe, so in Vice City, there might be stories of a man from LC taking the 80's crime wave in full force, taking over 100% of Vice City's underworld. This didn't actually happen int the HD universe, but it has become its own little story. So Tommy V is like the Paul Bunyan of the HD universe's underworld.

 

 

In my opinion, and after fitting a few bits in (like everything above) Option A becomes a very good point for the canon ending, maybe C too.

 

It just feels right, is the thing (although I don't consider V canon in a few picky-choosy ways). Because in the end, everyone dies. T gets killed (good, thank god) but M & F do as well by all the other guys out to get them.

So win-win.

[Fuzzknuckles]

 

From a societal POV, Johnny was the way to go. If Trevor killed a GTA Black main character, the Black community(especially in the USA) would become all riled up and call unjust and perhaps leading to another mark on GTA's list of controversies. Having Niko killed would insight old Cold War ties between Russia and USA, even cause Russian media to announce the "Trevor-kill-Niko" situation as American propaganda. Other than Johnny I guess Tommy Vercetti from Vice City would be the option, but would be difficult as to explain why Vercetti would be in Blaine County. Easier to choose Johnny as there are actual biker hangouts in real life California's desert region.

I guess killing Jews is not much of a controversy either anymore, huh?

 

lololol

 

People forgot that Johnny was one of God's people. Where's your God now, Johnny?

[Claude_Lib]

Russians hate the Serbs.

No we don't. Still though, the American killing the foreigner could attract an unneeded attention. That was my lame attempt to stay on topic, ignore it at all costs.

Edited August 13, 2015 by Claude Liberty

[Jammsbro]

People still banging on about Johhny???

He was a dirty motorbike gang weirdo. Ending up as a methhead in a trailer park was about as fitting an end as he could have gotten.

 

And f*cking with Trevor, the most dangerous and violent psychopath ever to have existed in the GTA universe was the wrong move.

 

I just hope that all the people who killed off Michael and Trevor have to replay SP in order to play any future DLC with them in it.

[Xing of Virtue]

The most violent and dangerous psychopath that got "you know what" by the fat slob. No immersion whatsoever.

[B Dawg]

People still banging on about Johhny???

 

He was a dirty motorbike gang weirdo. Ending up as a methhead in a trailer park was about as fitting an end as he could have gotten.

Doesn't explain Terry and Clay, who were the most badass, battle-hardened bikers Johnny ever rolled with, killed by some weak f*ck called Trevor? Not buying it.

Edited August 12, 2015 by B Dawg

[Fuzzknuckles]

Tough. They dead. They aren't even real but they dead.

[Nah nah nah Gta 6]

I wouldn't be surprised if some forum members in real life got a USB stick with Johnny's model in it and buried it at a funeral pretending that Johnny was a real person while tipping their fedoras on how "deep" Johnny's character was.

Edited August 12, 2015 by Stoney0503

[happygrowls]

I wouldn't be surprised if some forum members in real life got a USB stick with Johnny's model in it and buried it at a funeral pretending that Johnny was a real person.

I'd actually attend that funeral. Just for the lolz.

[Nah nah nah Gta 6]

 

People still banging on about Johhny???

 

He was a dirty motorbike gang weirdo. Ending up as a methhead in a trailer park was about as fitting an end as he could have gotten.

Doesn't explain Terry and Clay, who were the most badass, battle-hardened bikers Johnny ever rolled with, killed by some weak f*ck called Trevor? Not buying it.

 

Even though Terry or Clay would always die whenever I did gang wars on TLAD.

[Lester-The-Molester]

 

People still banging on about Johhny???

 

He was a dirty motorbike gang weirdo. Ending up as a methhead in a trailer park was about as fitting an end as he could have gotten.

Doesn't explain Terry and Clay, who were the most badass, battle-hardened bikers Johnny ever rolled with, killed by some weak f*ck called Trevor? Not buying it.

If I'm not mistaken, they were killed by a 12 Gauge shotgun shell straight to the brain, which usually puts you to sleep instantly regardless if you're "badass" or not.

[gunziness]

Like I said in another thread (I think?) if the story was at least good, well... ok, a shame and a sad cutscene. But the story was mediocre at best, so for me, killing a previous protagonist for such a cheap character just not worth it.

 

Its like (assuming HD and 3D era coexists) franklin kills Tommy Vercetti running him over with his buffalo in the middle of a chase.

 

I disliked Trevor while playing the story for that, now I just dont mind him, but for me that scene was a waste honestly, like the story itself unfortunately.

 

I hope it doesnt happen anymore, even with Trevor getting killed (and if it has to be done, at least not in a cheap or unfunny way though).

Edited August 12, 2015 by gunziness

[ten-a-penny]

To be honest they should've stalled the kill until he ruin the Lost's camp. Maybe stomp him to near death then make a dash for it, other Lost members grab Johnny and take him to their camp in Stab City, then he dies there, be it at the hands of Trevor or from injuries.

[Undyne]

Honestly, I still don't get why they felt the need to kill him off that way. They could've at least given him a more dignifying death... it's just f*cking stupid.

[DANIEL3GS]

Rockstar wanted to do a cheap shocking scene with johnny, so they killed him. They didn't even bother keeping his character. They made him tall, skinny and wimpy. It wasn't the bad ass johnny we knew. Just so they could introduce the cheap ass character Trevor.

[gooeyhole]

I wouldn't be surprised if some forum members in real life got a USB stick with Johnny's model in it and buried it at a funeral pretending that Johnny was a real person while tipping their fedoras on how "deep" Johnny's character was.

Or perhaps they just liked The Lost & Damned and are amazed that a 20+ mission story DLC can tell a better story than a billion dollar, 69 missioned game.