Psychic Shoutout: "Was it worth it?" Franklin and the choice e

[UptownRider]

Sup guys,

I'm pretty new to this website,and this is actually the first forum I've ever joined. Tbh,I made this account just to share something that no one else has seemed to bring up yet regarding the choice endings of GTA V. Now just so you know, I'm not going to go on saying "Oh this ending is canon blah blah blah". I just wanted to share this with you guys and see what you all think on my opinion here. That being said let's get started.

 

Now, as you can see from the title,this has to do with Franklin and his second and third visits on "Psychic Shoutout",linking them to the ending choices A or B.

 

Of course,the first time Frank speaks to the fortune telling lady (I'm sorry,I forgot her name,I haven't played in a few days) she talks about Lamar and his aunt doing it in his bed. However,the second time,involves the lady asking him "Was it worth it?" and telling him that he betrayed and killed everyone who ever got close to him, making Franklin saying "no,stop it" and logging off. Speaking to her a third time just results in the lady telling him to stop talking to her because she knows what happens to people he gets close to,or something along those lines.

 

I know that you can visit the website and speak to the lady at any point in the story and she says the same thing. But why would she say that at any point in the story other than after either ending A or B? Those are the only times when Franklin actually betrays someone who was close to him (Either Michael or Trevor) Also the lady mentioned him having everything he wants,so this must mean that this would ideally be after "The Big One".

 

So I think that this helps show us which ending could actually be canon. If ending C was chosen,then that conversation between those two wouldn't make sense. Franklin saves Michael and Trevor with his homie Lamar,and the only people who die are pretty much their enemies (Devin,Steve,Stretch,and the Chinese)

 

In my own opinion,I think the conversation between the fortune telling lady and Franklin actually refers to the ending where Franklin kills Michael. I know people hate this ending,and believes it to be the most unlikely, but hear me out here. After killing Mike,Trevor cuts contact with Frank. Amanda emails him,telling him to stay away from her family. That means that Jimmy is also no longer friends with Frank. Tanisha is no longer in his life either,since she's getting married. Devin Weston,his would be new boss,reveals that he only used Franklin as a pawn,and no longer wants anything to do with him. The only person who is left in his life is Lamar,his best friend, who he began to have a falling out with throughout the story because of Franklin wanting to get out of the ghetto. This pretty much leaves Frank completely alone (with the exception of Lamar who may or may not remain friends with him). As for killing Trevor,Franklin still remains friends with Mike and his family (Specifically Jimmy) and he's friends with Lamar as well. Which means in that ending,Frank isn't really all that alone.

 

I think that's all I have to say in regards to this. So go on and see for yourself in the game and tell me what you guys think? Maybe I'm missing something? Maybe the fortune telling lady refers to something else?

[The Dedito Gae]

Interesting theory , R* sure created a lot of references to ending B being seemingly the canon.

[SuperGTFan]

It is canon, Michael was the instigator of everything, he's the main antagonist who just happened to be playable, anyway.

[Heists]

What is this fortune lady? Completed the story 3 times and I don't remember this.

[UptownRider]

It is canon, Michael was the instigator of everything, he's the main antagonist who just happened to be playable, anyway.

Really? The main antagonist? Eh,I don't really think so. I mean yeah he betrayed Trevor in the prologue,but he just wanted to do what was best for his family. If anything,wouldn't Frank be the antagonist for betraying the only people who he was close to? According to Lamar,its actually something that Franklin does often. He eventually kills or betrays the people he works for.

What is this fortune lady? Completed the story 3 times and I don't remember this.

Go on the internet and find the site "Psychic Shoutout". I don't really remember the lady's name. But there is an option to speak to her. Edited July 14, 2015 by UptownRider

[UptownRider]

Sorry guys,I just realized that the title of the topic isn't finished for some reason. I don't really know how to edit the title. But it says *choice endings A and B

Edited July 14, 2015 by UptownRider

[Heists]

 

It is canon, Michael was the instigator of everything, he's the main antagonist who just happened to be playable, anyway.

Really? The main antagonist? Eh,I don't really think so. I mean yeah he betrayed Trevor in the prologue,but he just wanted to do what was best for his family. If anything,wouldn't Frank be the antagonist for betraying the only people who he was close to? According to Lamar,its actually something that Franklin does often. He eventually kills or betrays the people he works for.

What is this fortune lady? Completed the story 3 times and I don't remember this.

Go on the internet and find the site "Psychic Shoutout". I don't really remember the lady's name. But there is an option to speak to her.

 

Thanks I'll look at it the next time I play.

[UptownRider]

 

 

It is canon, Michael was the instigator of everything, he's the main antagonist who just happened to be playable, anyway.

Really? The main antagonist? Eh,I don't really think so. I mean yeah he betrayed Trevor in the prologue,but he just wanted to do what was best for his family. If anything,wouldn't Frank be the antagonist for betraying the only people who he was close to? According to Lamar,its actually something that Franklin does often. He eventually kills or betrays the people he works for.

What is this fortune lady? Completed the story 3 times and I don't remember this.

Go on the internet and find the site "Psychic Shoutout". I don't really remember the lady's name. But there is an option to speak to her.

 

Thanks I'll look at it the next time I play.Np,you can visit the site and speak to the lady with all three characters. However, Franklin's seemed to be the one that actually had something to do with the aftermath of the story. (Upon the second time speaking to her,at least) Edited July 14, 2015 by UptownRider

[Shadowfennekin]

I'd be perfectly fine with Ending B being canon. It wasn't great but it was better than that god awful Ending A

[Predator]

I remembered this

 

 

At some point before the events of Grand Theft Auto V, Families gang member Franklin Clinton was selling drugs for Marcus in Los Santos. Marcus wanted Franklin to do something that may have been going too far, it is unspecified what, but Franklin ended up killing Marcus and possibly others because of it. However both Franklin and Lamar Davis state that he had it coming. Marcus is only mentioned in the mission Repossession, as Franklin and Lamar are driving to reposes a Bagger motorcycle from Esteban Jimenez while arguing about screwing over their current boss Simeon Yetarian.

 

 

This was the dialogue

 

 

Lamar Davis: "That's how sh*t work, ain't it? You do some jobs for a fool, develop a little uneasy relationship, and then they ask you to do something above and beyond. You fall out, fools get clapped, then you start all over again with some other fool."

 

Franklin Clinton: Where the f*ck did you get that from? That ain't my life dummy.

 

Lamar Davis: How 'bout the boy with the eye? From 'round the way? Marcus or somethin'? You was slanging for him and then he got what was comin', right?

 

Franklin Clinton: That was different. That dude had it coming.

 

 

Maybe she was talking about that

 

 

And i don't care which endig is canon, i want to see Frank in the next GTA being brutally murdered

[SuperGTFan]

I don't think so, he won't let anybody takes advantage.

[UptownRider]

I remembered this

 

 

At some point before the events of Grand Theft Auto V, Families gang member Franklin Clinton was selling drugs for Marcus in Los Santos. Marcus wanted Franklin to do something that may have been going too far, it is unspecified what, but Franklin ended up killing Marcus and possibly others because of it. However both Franklin and Lamar Davis state that he had it coming. Marcus is only mentioned in the mission Repossession, as Franklin and Lamar are driving to reposes a Bagger motorcycle from Esteban Jimenez while arguing about screwing over their current boss Simeon Yetarian.

 

 

This was the dialogue

 

 

Lamar Davis: "That's how sh*t work, ain't it? You do some jobs for a fool, develop a little uneasy relationship, and then they ask you to do something above and beyond. You fall out, fools get clapped, then you start all over again with some other fool."

 

Franklin Clinton: Where the f*ck did you get that from? That ain't my life dummy.

 

Lamar Davis: How 'bout the boy with the eye? From 'round the way? Marcus or somethin'? You was slanging for him and then he got what was comin', right?

 

Franklin Clinton: That was different. That dude had it coming.

 

 

Maybe she was talking about that

 

 

And i don't care which endig is canon, i want to see Frank in the next GTA being brutally murdered

But that wouldn't make sense either. The lady on the website states that Franklin has everything he wants (Became a rich,"three-bit gangster" with a mansion in the hills) but as a result he had to kill/betray those he was closest to and now he's alone and asking himself if it was worth it.

 

When Franklin was working for Marcus,this was before GTA V had even started,meaning that he was still poor,and was still a small time gangbanger. Also,Franklin said that Marcus deserved it,which means that he never liked him to begin with,and they most likely weren't all that close. Franklin killing and betraying Marcus didn't leave him wondering if it was worth it,because he didn't lose any close friends from doing so.

[ArmyRaidFail404]

I think it applies to both endings, regardless of whether Michael dies or Trevor dies.

 

I think the physic is talking about The Big One all together. Franklin robs the government, literally. So was it worth it? The fact is that everyone in Franklin's life begins to see him as an antagonist, including Trevor. Therefore I think that the betrayal wasn't death, but a lack of trust and respect. The dialogue between Tanisha and Franklin proves that Tanisha kinda doubts him as a respectful person; or at least that's what I heard in the mission where you have to rescue Lamar. Either ways, after that mission, Lamar has doubts over whether he is still his rightful homie after being given enough money for a bucket of chicken.

 

Another theory comes straight after that mission, where Steve Haines tells Franklin to kill Trevor. The betrayal might be that Franklin even has the thought, the option and the will to kill him. This goes the same for Michael. Why I think this theory solves this "Physic Shootout Problem" is how perfectly it falls into place. Franklin has the option to redeem himself in the eyes of his friends. But since the actual game stops after one of them dies or Franklin redeems himself, you never get to see a fourth visit to the psychic. This adds ambiguity as to whether or not you made the right choice.

 

Ultimately, it is about living with yourself and the choices you make. This was a theme previously explored in GTA IV; but not like this.

[UptownRider]

I think it applies to both endings, regardless of whether Michael dies or Trevor dies.

 

I think the physic is talking about The Big One all together. Franklin robs the government, literally. So was it worth it? The fact is that everyone in Franklin's life begins to see him as an antagonist, including Trevor. Therefore I think that the betrayal wasn't death, but a lack of trust and respect. The dialogue between Tanisha and Franklin proves that Tanisha kinda doubts him as a respectful person; or at least that's what I heard in the mission where you have to rescue Lamar. Either ways, after that mission, Lamar has doubts over whether he is still his rightful homie after being given enough money for a bucket of chicken.

 

Another theory comes straight after that mission, where Steve Haines tells Franklin to kill Trevor. The betrayal might be that Franklin even has the thought, the option and the will to kill him. This goes the same for Michael. Why I think this theory solves this "Physic Shootout Problem" is how perfectly it falls into place. Franklin has the option to redeem himself in the eyes of his friends. But since the actual game stops after one of them dies or Franklin redeems himself, you never get to see a fourth visit to the psychic. This adds ambiguity as to whether or not you made the right choice.

 

Ultimately, it is about living with yourself and the choices you make. This was a theme previously explored in GTA IV; but not like this.

Hmmm...that sounds very likely. I like that theory,as well as mine. Its just that the psychic makes it seems as if everyone who gets close to Franklin ends up dying (similar to Niko) so seeing as how by the time The Big One is finished,Mike and Trev are his closest allies (He basically abandoned Lamar and everyone he's ever associated himself with in the hood by this point). For Frank to go after M or T (More specifically Michael) pretty much explains why the psychic said what she did. But,you do have a point as well. She could just be refering to the events of The Big One. Man,I'm surprised no one has bring up such theories like this.

[CarlitoDorito]

I had no idea the psychic shoutout site said that I've only ever picked C because I played too many games with depressing endings. Does it say anything different to Michael for option A?

[UptownRider]

I had no idea the psychic shoutout site said that I've only ever picked C because I played too many games with depressing endings. Does it say anything different to Michael for option A?

Not really. The psychic says the same thing to the three (or two) characters regardless of what happens in the game. For example,if C is chosen,the lady will still mention how Franklin betrayed those who were close to him. If A was chosen,she'll say the same thing. I don't remember what she and Michael talks about,but I think it was something involving the affairs of his wife. The psychic shoutout conversations with M and T seem to be more for laughs,whilst Franklin's is a bit more serious.