"The Casino"...Is it ever going to happen?

[CarimboHanky]

people say casino wouldnt work because of world gambling laws and cashcards, etc etc...

 

gambling in the gta casino would be nothing different than betting in races, tdm or lts.

 

theres no law that stop me from buying a cashcard and spend that money betting on races.

 

samething could apply to the casino.

[Naean]

people say casino wouldnt work because of world gambling laws and cashcards, etc etc...

 

gambling in the gta casino would be nothing different than betting in races, tdm or lts.

 

theres no law that stop me from buying a cashcard and spend that money betting on races.

 

samething could apply to the casino.

 

Exactly! ^_^

[Mach1bud]

 

 

 

So what was it we were doing in RDR?

 

 

 

what was the RDR version of shark cards again?

 

Are cash cards the sole means of earning money in GTAO?

 

no.

is there a single chance you could lose real money in RDR? could you actually get into real debt if you were 'addicted' to it? like some gamblers are. and which some countries enact laws to protect. whether i like it or not.

 

seriously, convincing me you're right won't make the laws disappear or convince R* to ignore several countries laws and give you a casino, because you think it's ok.

i don't care either way tbh, but R* do if it's gonna get the game banned from entire countries with one update.

You will not lose real money. You buy a shark card. Now it is in game money. GTA $$$. It is no longer actual money. Gaining and losing GTA $$$ is not gambling. It is just playing the game. The transaction is complete when you buy a shark card, after you recieve the GTA $$$ it is no longer of any actual value.

[JuanG12]

We can't get working roof light or headlights, you think we'll get a casino? lol The game is almost two years old. I don't see the addition of a casino to V in 2015 or the future.

 

Rockstar made their money with V. On to the next one...

[rlr149]

 

 

 

 

 

Hot Coffee was not an official, vanilla game function in the final product, that is true, but it was intended to be at some point in development and that just shows Rockstar Games' stance on taking a chance.

that they didn't take the chance to release, they don't get credit for that, anyone can make something childishly offensive and hide it under their bed. thats not boundry pushing.

 

Anyway, if you think that gambling laws around the world play a part in this video game casino, well I strongly disagree with you. Again, like I said many times over, this is Rockstar Games we are talking about here, they almost thrive on taking risks regularly and this would be little different. It's not that I disagree with the laws, it's more along the lines of, I honestly do not see them playing a part in Rockstar Games' casino. If issues do arise, they'll find ways to work with/around it.

like they deleted the hot coffee files from every copy they could get their hands on after that issue arised?

and if you don't think international law concerns R* thats up to you. companies don't hire lawyers for no reason.

 

 

To be politely blunt, you're not quite getting it. Whether it was released or not is besides the point, all things considered. The point to take away is that Rockstar Games in general frequently wish to, and do, publish content which could garner morally conflicting/debatable views very easily.

i get it, you're desperate to gamble. that doesn't mean R* are going to risk more restriction than they already have with the mature content.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Coffee_mod

game was full on banned in australia due to that, ie:taken off sale. ie:no more income from sales.......... no, R* not gonna worry about doing that anywhere else.

 

As for lawyers, as you can see from past experiences, Rockstar Games evidently employ very good lawyers and have thus on more than one occasion given the almighty boot to incoming attacks, hence why I say a casino update could still be on the cards. (Pun yet again unintentional, heh.)

i think r* are very smart, i think they only fight the battles they can win if they can help it, san andreas they messed up with and look at the lengths they went too to fix it(wiki link above), an official product recall. patches that break that content etc etc and settling for $20 mill + in civil damages. hardly an 'almighty boot', seems more like a 'we f*cked up' u-turn/damage control to me.

 

Edited July 14, 2015 by rlr149

[TV5555]

 

You will not lose real money. You buy a shark card. Now it is in game money. GTA $$$. It is no longer actual money. Gaining and losing GTA $$$ is not gambling. It is just playing the game. The transaction is complete when you buy a shark card, after you recieve the GTA $$$ it is no longer of any actual value.

 

 

Exactly. For all rockstar know you could be buying a sharkcard for a t20.

 

 

Edited July 14, 2015 by TV5555

[Mach1bud]

There is a huge difference between sexual content and a card game.

[Naean]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hot Coffee was not an official, vanilla game function in the final product, that is true, but it was intended to be at some point in development and that just shows Rockstar Games' stance on taking a chance.

that they didn't take the chance to release, they don't get credit for that, anyone can make something childishly offensive and hide it under their bed. thats not boundry pushing.

 

Anyway, if you think that gambling laws around the world play a part in this video game casino, well I strongly disagree with you. Again, like I said many times over, this is Rockstar Games we are talking about here, they almost thrive on taking risks regularly and this would be little different. It's not that I disagree with the laws, it's more along the lines of, I honestly do not see them playing a part in Rockstar Games' casino. If issues do arise, they'll find ways to work with/around it.

like they deleted the hot coffee files from every copy they could get their hands on after that issue arised?

and if you don't think international law concerns R* thats up to you. companies don't hire lawyers for no reason.

 

 

To be politely blunt, you're not quite getting it. Whether it was released or not is besides the point, all things considered. The point to take away is that Rockstar Games in general frequently wish to, and do, publish content which could garner morally conflicting/debatable views very easily.

i get it, you're desperate to gamble. that doesn't mean R* are going to risk more restriction than they already have with the mature content.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Coffee_mod

game was full on banned in australia due to that, ie:taken off sale. ie:no more income from sales.......... no, R* not gonna worry about doing that anywhere else.

 

As for lawyers, as you can see from past experiences, Rockstar Games evidently employ very good lawyers and have thus on more than one occasion given the almighty boot to incoming attacks, hence why I say a casino update could still be on the cards. (Pun yet again unintentional, heh.)

i think r* are very smart, i think they only fight the battles they can win if they can help it, san andreas they messed up with and look at the lengths they went too to fix it(wiki link above), an official product recall. patches that break that content etc etc and settling for $20 mill + in civil damages. hardly an 'almighty boot', seems more like a 'we f*cked up' u-turn/damage control to me.

 

 

 

Please see both posts that Mach1bud made above, as they make valid points which I think you should acknowledge.

 

No, I'm not desperate to gamble. Ironically, you seem to be desperate and grasping at straws to defend a point of view that is blatantly jaded and overall missing the point.

 

Also yes Rockstar Games settled in damages and what have you, my point is that Grand Theft Auto is still a thriving series to this day because their lawyers and staff stand their ground passionately and with great tenacity when it comes to defending against lawsuits re' being overly violent, overly sexual and so on, plus different claims entirely.

 

If you could stop bringing things up arbitrarily, making ludicrous comparisons, coming up with ridiculous excuses to support your flawed point about differences in video game gambling (Race betting versus card game, so what?), and start actually getting the valid points I and others are making, that'd be swell. But hey ho, it's up to you!

 

I should add that I'm not actually trying to come off like an asshole, it's just tiresome to see someone persistently not get the points of what others are saying.

Edited July 14, 2015 by Nez Man

[BlueSocks]

Besides there is way too much at stake for shark cards, when some random $2.00 shmuck walks away with $3.500.000 and a brand new T20 from a Roulette table...

 

And how many losers? Assuming it wasn't cheated, that is. The odds of winning are so low. You realize that's why real casinos are so successful, right? For every big winner there's thousands of big losers.

 

Hell, in roulette it's something like a 1:36 chance of winning a big payout, it's less than 1:2 just to win your best best on it. Black jack and other games are similar. The odds are so against people winning big that there's a reason these things exist in the real world and you don't see a bunch of people walk in with 2$ and walk out with thousands.

[rlr149]

 

 

 

 

So what was it we were doing in RDR?

 

 

what was the RDR version of shark cards again?

 

Are cash cards the sole means of earning money in GTAO?

 

no.

is there a single chance you could lose real money in RDR? could you actually get into real debt if you were 'addicted' to it? like some gamblers are. and which some countries enact laws to protect. whether i like it or not.

 

seriously, convincing me you're right won't make the laws disappear or convince R* to ignore several countries laws and give you a casino, because you think it's ok.

i don't care either way tbh, but R* do if it's gonna get the game banned from entire countries with one update.

 

 

Gambling already exists in the game alongside microtransactions, and you're kidding yourself if you think that casino gambling is vastly different, it is not.

i know, i don't make the f*cking laws though. jesus! what part of this is so hard, me saying it does not make it so, it being so makes it so. whether you or i think its alright is only minorly relevent to our respective govt's and not the rest of the world.

Different type of gambling yes, but still gambling all the same.

i know. i don't decide it for every f*cking country in the world, take it up with them if you have a problem. start a 'i think X and Y is gambling and Z is not crusade', idgaf.

You're clearly making up deluded and far-fetched reasons as to why betting on a race and betting on a card game/roulette/etcetera vary so vastly by law to the point of it being a real issue to Rockstar Games. I'd kindly suggest waking up, smelling the coffee and biting the chocolate mate. ;-3

for what possible reason? i have no issue with it being added. but the laws still f*cking exist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling_in_the_United_Kingdom

somewhere on there is age restriction for different gambling types in the UK.......... I DID NOT WRITE IT............ it shows that the people making the laws have differing criteria for certain forms of gambling and who can partake in it................ I DID NOT WRITE IT.......... and if i'd not said anything about it, it would still be the case, those differing criteria would still be in effect under law. i don't care 16 or 18! pick one? f*ck it 16 across the board i say........... has that page changed to reflect what i just said?

but it's not my decision and neither is online gambling law.

 

 

 

Edited July 14, 2015 by rlr149

[Tampa]

To be honest, a casino would be a welcome addition, but it's highly unlikely.

[Mach1bud]

It doesn't matter, as you are not gambling real money. It is game money. No matter how you look at it.

 

There is no law stating that anyone, from any country, cannot waste away every single GTA dollar they have.

 

You are not gambling real money. It doesn't matter if you buy it with real money for shark cards. It is not real money. You are just losing fake money on a fake game that you can only win or lose fake money.

[rlr149]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hot Coffee was not an official, vanilla game function in the final product, that is true, but it was intended to be at some point in development and that just shows Rockstar Games' stance on taking a chance.

that they didn't take the chance to release, they don't get credit for that, anyone can make something childishly offensive and hide it under their bed. thats not boundry pushing.

 

Anyway, if you think that gambling laws around the world play a part in this video game casino, well I strongly disagree with you. Again, like I said many times over, this is Rockstar Games we are talking about here, they almost thrive on taking risks regularly and this would be little different. It's not that I disagree with the laws, it's more along the lines of, I honestly do not see them playing a part in Rockstar Games' casino. If issues do arise, they'll find ways to work with/around it.

like they deleted the hot coffee files from every copy they could get their hands on after that issue arised?

and if you don't think international law concerns R* thats up to you. companies don't hire lawyers for no reason.

 

 

To be politely blunt, you're not quite getting it. Whether it was released or not is besides the point, all things considered. The point to take away is that Rockstar Games in general frequently wish to, and do, publish content which could garner morally conflicting/debatable views very easily.

i get it, you're desperate to gamble. that doesn't mean R* are going to risk more restriction than they already have with the mature content.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Coffee_mod

game was full on banned in australia due to that, ie:taken off sale. ie:no more income from sales.......... no, R* not gonna worry about doing that anywhere else.

 

As for lawyers, as you can see from past experiences, Rockstar Games evidently employ very good lawyers and have thus on more than one occasion given the almighty boot to incoming attacks, hence why I say a casino update could still be on the cards. (Pun yet again unintentional, heh.)

i think r* are very smart, i think they only fight the battles they can win if they can help it, san andreas they messed up with and look at the lengths they went too to fix it(wiki link above), an official product recall. patches that break that content etc etc and settling for $20 mill + in civil damages. hardly an 'almighty boot', seems more like a 'we f*cked up' u-turn/damage control to me.

 

 

 

Please see both posts that Mach1bud made above, as they make valid points which I think you should acknowledge.

yes, utterly convinced, those laws that exist and i have nothing to do with, don't anymore.

 

No, I'm not desperate to gamble. Ironically, you seem to be desperate and grasping at straws to defend a point of view that is blatantly jaded and overall missing the point.

what point, you want a casino,

and are you saying the entire world in it's entirety believes about gambling as you(or indeed i) do?

and that the laws of ALL countries can and should be ignored.......... because you think its ok?

 

Also yes Rockstar Games settled in damages and what have you, my point is that Grand Theft Auto is still a thriving series to this day because their lawyers and staff stand their ground passionately and with great tenacity when it comes to defending against lawsuits re' being overly violent, overly sexual and so on, plus different claims entirely.

nope, settling is not standing your ground, it's 'cutting your losses'.

 

If you could stop bringing things up arbitrarily, making ludicrous comparisons, coming up with ridiculous excuses to support your flawed point about differences in video game gambling (Race betting versus card game, so what?), and start actually getting the valid points I and others are making, that'd be swell. But hey ho, it's up to you!

 

*sigh* they're not my laws, i just posted a link about uk gambling, there ARE different restrictions based on the type of gambling NOT DETERMINED BY ME OR REQUIRING MY AGREEMENT and me saying they aren't the case doesn't change them to whatever i say FFS!.

 

I should add that I'm not actually trying to come off like an asshole, it's just tiresome to see someone persistently not get the points of what others are saying.

your point is you don't see it as gambling, and it's not a problem for you. and that you don't believe these problems might exist for other people or R*.

 

 

 

 

Edited July 14, 2015 by rlr149

[BlueSocks]

It doesn't matter, as you are not gambling real money. It is game money. No matter how you look at it.

 

There is no law stating that anyone, from any country, cannot waste away every single GTA dollar they have.

 

You are not gambling real money. It doesn't matter if you buy it with real money for shark cards. It is not real money. You are just losing fake money on a fake game that you can only win or lose fake money.

 

I think more than anything what's bothersome is people abusing quotes so horribly and making things impossible to even read haha. It's just offensive.

 

But yeah, you can't pull real money out of it, I do not see how that is gambling. You're paying for virtual goods, that's all, what you do with them is your own business, as you can't get any real money out. I doubt it really interferes with that many laws to be a problem and that exploiting the f*ck out of it is more of a concern for Rockstar/T2.

[Flubbles]

 

It doesn't matter, as you are not gambling real money. It is game money. No matter how you look at it.

 

There is no law stating that anyone, from any country, cannot waste away every single GTA dollar they have.

 

You are not gambling real money. It doesn't matter if you buy it with real money for shark cards. It is not real money. You are just losing fake money on a fake game that you can only win or lose fake money.

 

I think more than anything what's bothersome is people abusing quotes so horribly and making things impossible to even read haha. It's just offensive.

 

But yeah, you can't pull real money out of it, I do not see how that is gambling. You're paying for virtual goods, that's all, what you do with them is your own business, as you can't get any real money out. I doubt it really interferes with that many laws to be a problem and that exploiting the f*ck out of it is more of a concern for Rockstar/T2.

 

 

It doesn't I can't believe half the day people have been calling it illegal.

[HKM87]

Yeah......beacuse now R* want's you to lose all the money you made from heists, and that you lose so much that you're gonna own them money, so you end up buy Kush Kurds and pay them even more money...get it?

 

They have it ready, it's just a matter of timing.

Edited July 14, 2015 by HKM87

[Flubbles]

Yeah......beacuse now R* want's you to lose all the money you made from heists, and that you lose so much that you're gonna own them money, so you end up buy Kush Kurds and pay them even more money...get it?

 

They have it ready, it's just a matter of timing.

 

Like we made money from heists.

[TeamAssist]

Yeah......beacuse now R* want's you to lose all the money you made from heists, and that you lose so much that you're gonna own them money, so you end up buy Kush Kurds and pay them even more money...get it?

 

They have it ready, it's just a matter of timing.

Probably pretty soon

[Shadowfennekin]

It'll come in SP DLC.

 

If a little kid decides to buy a cash card and spend it in there, tough luck. Not old enough to play the game, shouldn't gamble either.

 

I personally will stay OUT of it Online but in SP I'll have fun

[BlueSocks]

It'll come in SP DLC.

 

If a little kid decides to buy a cash card and spend it in there, tough luck. Not old enough to play the game, shouldn't gamble either.

 

I personally will stay OUT of it Online but in SP I'll have fun

 

I like poker and blackjack, I think they'd be fun but poker with other players would suck ass with all the cheat money around you'd have people who simply go all in constantly and bully others out to bleed out until they get all the money because it doesn't make any sense to take their bluff on it with an ace high only to find out they actually have a pair for once or some sh*t.

 

The cheating is the biggest reason I see it not happening more than anything else. Same with stocks.

[Pifko]

Online they could payout chips in various game-modes and you can bet these to win a prize in the casino. Put the time in on missions, deathmatches, heists ect. and it allows you to enter 'prize' tables at the casino. Prizes could be random for winning with tiers up to third. You could win anything from ammo to a new vehicle depending on the stakes. This method would also revitalize nearly all the game-modes and help with session quitting even more. As you are not using and can't bet cash, it would be perfect IMO. If you don't want to earn those chips, settle down with a friendly no-stakes match!

[Low-Leaf]

Of course it's coming, they've found so much code for it, slot machine code and graphics, Casino workers and animations ect. The "coming soon" banner is also a bit of a spoiler...

 

Plus, it wouldn't be "online gambling", it's fictional money, even if you use a Shark Card you can't re-convert your winnings back to planet Earth money! It's in a video game, or at the very least have seperate funds exclusively for gambling that can't be touched for anything else and only added to by winning like RDR had because it seems like some people forget R* already did it (perfectly) in Red Dead (it has it's bugs now but back in it's day it was damn near perfect - better than some real life poker sites).

 

I imagine all they have to do is take the mechanics/code for Blackjack and Poker from RDR, tweak them, re-skin them and done.

However, I think they're holding onto it for now because we're still finding game breaking bugs that mess with the economy. They have to be SURE the Casino update is water-tight.

[AgentExeider]

even if they originally intended to implement it they won't do it as it would be a far to high risk for exploiting and abusing it for getting huge amounts of money (resulting the cash card sales decreasing too much).

same with the stock market.

it would be possible in story mode though.

This. Basically anything that could be a threat to the vaunted cash card system will never be implemented and will be eradicated as soon as it's found.

[DirtDevil]

Well, there was/is a fine Casino in TDU2 so why not in GTA V?

Of course it is possible to do. Why should there be any law against it, you cannot withdraw real money out of the game.

Edited July 14, 2015 by DirtDevil

[Stephen]

Search function OP, use it !

 

http://gtaforums.com/topic/806435-will-the-casino-open-in-ill-gotten-gains-part-2/?hl=%2Bcasino+%2Bdlc&do=findComment&comment=1067703980

 

http://gtaforums.com/topic/800113-gta-5-pc-casino/?hl=%2Bcasino+%2Bdlc&do=findComment&comment=1067578130

 

http://gtaforums.com/topic/799448-gtao-casino-opening-prediction/?hl=%2Bcasino+%2Bdlc&do=findComment&comment=1067562035

 

There are 2 more that are locked.

 

OT: Probably not, and lets say it does. Do you think they'll make it easy to win ? Lol. I can see it now, player passes Criminal Mastermind Challenge, before the 10 million bonus he had 482K. Player goes to the casino spends 4 hours on the roulette wheel and looses it all. Player then proceeds to find every GTA Forum imaginable to make numerous " I F**king Hate C**ktar threads. That will be the 1st case of many 1000's to come afterwards. This place will be riddled with cash card conspiracy threads on a level you cannot imagine. It's the same reason why you'll never see the stock market online. Story mode has a better chance of it happening than GTAO will ever have.

Edited July 14, 2015 by SteveNYC

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