"The Casino"...Is it ever going to happen?

[rlr149]

So what was it we were doing in RDR?

 

 

what was the RDR version of shark cards again?

[Flubbles]

 

 

 

So if no one thinks the casino is coming at some point during IGG then what do you think the big reveal for these updates will be...Or do you think it is just vehicle re-skins and a few guns?

Um, the updates have already released, unless you mean future DLC's.

 

 

I am pretty sure it is a three part update and we are only on part two.

 

 

Any evidence to support this? Or precedent?

 

No I can't. Sorry I was just under that assumption.

[Naean]

 

As for the point raised regarding tricks/exploits being used in the casino, this is likely something that Rockstar Games tested extensively when it came to Online Heists, which would partially explain the massive delay, amongst the fact that Heists were redesigned several times during development. Taking everything into consideration, it's a fair assumption that, besides being placed on the back-burner in favour of other updates being released, the casino is/will be also taking its sweet ass time in the bug testing department.

I agree with what you are saying Nez, but the only games at risk of hacking are machine games like slots. such games have fixed payouts and fixed odds. If someone is hacking then a more regular sweep will spot it. A simple tracking program of players in the casino and money they are receiving and how will show up cheating.

 

Yes, but as the P.C. version is now out, hacking and exploits are more accessible than ever before, so it makes sense that the casino would undergo major bug/exploit patching prior to release. People find ways and means via the most unexpected and convoluted series of events. Even through extensive testing, after release, it's fairly likely that people would discover loopholes in security measures, and thus the never-ending battle of hacker exploits VS Rockstar Games update patches inevitably continues.

Edited July 14, 2015 by Nez Man

[Cudwieser]

 

So what was it we were doing in RDR?

 

 

what was the RDR version of shark cards again?

 

Are cash cards the sole means of earning money in GTAO?

[Naean]

 

So what was it we were doing in RDR?

 

 

what was the RDR version of shark cards again?

 

 

Fair point, but still, the Shark Card microtransaction option plus casino availability would very likely not affect players around the world unless Rockstar Games were formally interjected by people in the position to do so.

[BlueSocks]

 

 

I am curious what everyone thinks about the timing of the rumored casino. I keep on hearing that it is coming with the release of each part of the "Ill Gotten Gains" updates. Yet it has yet to happen. Is it even true that they plan to add it? If so does anyone have any guesses as to when? If not then how do you think this rumor got started?

IF it ever comes, it will only be in Story Mode. They can't add it to Online because that'd be considered online gambling and there's kids online...So, it is probably not coming for the fifteenth time.

 

 

Except, that point is nullified by the fact that the game is rated 18+, M for Mature and what have you. Rockstar Games cannot feasibly claim any responsibility for underage persons playing the game, and due to its adult rating this would not affect their ability to add a casino. The game already has many other adult themes present in Online which underage people no doubt play on a regular basis, the casino would just be an addition to the 'adult themes' category of gameplay scenarios.

 

I sincerely hope that people do not think a casino isn't in Online due to kids playing the game, it's really an argument built on sand foundations. Rockstar Games are focused on game development/maintenance, and are not there to prevent kids, beyond Rockstar Games' ability, from gambling money away in Online, that's what parental guidance and parenting are for.

 

Online gambling rules really only apply to people being able to pull real money out of the game, not that you're paying for in game goods which stay in game, as far as I know about them.

 

I don't think TDU2 was banned for having an in game casino...

 

 

 

 

So what was it we were doing in RDR?

 

 

what was the RDR version of shark cards again?

 

Are cash cards the sole means of earning money in GTAO?

 

 

Just ask this, how are people getting that money out of the game to actually be gambling? They're just paying for digital goods, you don't even get anything tangible out, ever.

Edited July 14, 2015 by BlueSocks

[Cudwieser]

 

 

As for the point raised regarding tricks/exploits being used in the casino, this is likely something that Rockstar Games tested extensively when it came to Online Heists, which would partially explain the massive delay, amongst the fact that Heists were redesigned several times during development. Taking everything into consideration, it's a fair assumption that, besides being placed on the back-burner in favour of other updates being released, the casino is/will be also taking its sweet ass time in the bug testing department.

I agree with what you are saying Nez, but the only games at risk of hacking are machine games like slots. such games have fixed payouts and fixed odds. If someone is hacking then a more regular sweep will spot it. A simple tracking program of players in the casino and money they are receiving and how will show up cheating.

 

Yes, but as the P.C. version is now out, hacking and exploits are more accessible than ever before, so it makes sense that the casino would undergo major bug/exploit patching prior to release. People find ways and means via the most unexpected and convoluted series of events. Even through extensive testing, after release, it's fairly likely that people would discover loopholes in security measures, and thus the never-ending battle of hacker exploits VS Rockstar Games update patches inevitably continues.

 

That is true, but there comes a point (very quickly as it stands) when there are those hacking for very little outcome other than bravado. Most players don't care for hacking and the small percent that do only do so for their own ends and are very obvious. R* will get to the point of potshotting such nuisances and will duly keep them at bay. At the end of the day no system is fool-proof so when do you stop nit picking and simply let it be and just do running checks.

 

 

 

 

 

I am curious what everyone thinks about the timing of the rumored casino. I keep on hearing that it is coming with the release of each part of the "Ill Gotten Gains" updates. Yet it has yet to happen. Is it even true that they plan to add it? If so does anyone have any guesses as to when? If not then how do you think this rumor got started?

IF it ever comes, it will only be in Story Mode. They can't add it to Online because that'd be considered online gambling and there's kids online...So, it is probably not coming for the fifteenth time.

 

 

Except, that point is nullified by the fact that the game is rated 18+, M for Mature and what have you. Rockstar Games cannot feasibly claim any responsibility for underage persons playing the game, and due to its adult rating this would not affect their ability to add a casino. The game already has many other adult themes present in Online which underage people no doubt play on a regular basis, the casino would just be an addition to the 'adult themes' category of gameplay scenarios.

 

I sincerely hope that people do not think a casino isn't in Online due to kids playing the game, it's really an argument built on sand foundations. Rockstar Games are focused on game development/maintenance, and are not there to prevent kids, beyond Rockstar Games' ability, from gambling money away in Online, that's what parental guidance and parenting are for.

 

Online gambling rules really only apply to people being able to pull real money out of the game, not that you're paying for in game goods which stay in game, as far as I know about them.

 

I don't think TDU2 was banned for having an in game casino...

 

 

 

 

So what was it we were doing in RDR?

 

 

what was the RDR version of shark cards again?

 

Are cash cards the sole means of earning money in GTAO?

 

 

Just ask this, how are people getting that money out of the game to actually be gambling? They're just paying for digital goods, you don't even get anything tangible out, ever.

 

Good point.

Edited July 14, 2015 by Cudwieser

[Dr Labuschagne]

Besides there is way too much at stake for shark cards, when some random $2.00 shmuck walks away with $3.500.000 and a brand new T20 from a Roulette table...

[Naean]

I don't agree that the casino will never open "because they would negate Shark Cards", as Heists payout significant money, even moreso if played on Hard difficulty. Gold on San Andreas Flight School jobs also payout very decently.

 

Statistically speaking, a significant demographic of players would very likely end up continuing to buy Shark Cards anyway. Also, I wouldn't put it past Rockstar Games to limit how frequently games at the casino can be played. (See: Vehicle selling restrictions at Mod Shops.)

Edited July 14, 2015 by Nez Man

[Cudwieser]

Besides there is way too much at stake for shark cards, when some random $2.00 shmuck walks away with $3.500.000 and a brand new T20 from a Roulette table...

No there isn't. Cash cards are a cop out at the best of times and only offer a quick fix that many have resorted to. Gambling is only an out for a lucky few. The truly gormless who believe they can fix the odds without cheating will be losing hand over fist before they ever win big enough. Hell even the most successful gamblers lose eventually. For every big winner there will be twice as many big losers. Cash card sale will probably go up amongst the truly gullible while the more sensible will just go out and play a few mission, play small pot table in the insane hope of past glory (or just not gamble at all). Shark card sales will still be in the same health as before if not better. Nothing sells better than vanity (not even sex).

 

I don't agree that the casino will never come "because they would negate Shark Cards", as Heists payout significant money, even moreso if played on Hard difficulty. Gold on San Andreas Flight School jobs also payout very decently.

 

 

 

@ Nez

If they start restricting then no one will go to the casino. The best thing R* can do is have it as a free for all otherwise the hopes and ideas of gambling won't be worth anything and people will walk away.

Edited July 14, 2015 by Cudwieser

[Mach1bud]

Betting is already in the game. I fail to see how betting on a race is any different than betting on a card game.

[BigGuy219]

This game is coming up on two years.

 

I'm surprised how many people think/expect major updates this far in.

 

I was under the impression we were on the downslope of the bell curve and at best we'd get a weapon or car now and then.

 

I'm glad to see the optimism, even if I don't have it myself.

[Naean]

 

Besides there is way too much at stake for shark cards, when some random $2.00 shmuck walks away with $3.500.000 and a brand new T20 from a Roulette table...

No there isn't. Cash cards are a cop out at the best of times and only offer a quick fix that many have resorted to. Gambling is only an out for a lucky few. The truly gormless who believe they can fix the odds without cheating will be losing hand over fist before they ever win big enough. Hell even the most successful gamblers lose eventually. For every big winner there will be twice as many big losers. Cash card sale will probably go up amongst the truly gullible while the more sensible will just go out and play a few mission, play small pot table in the insane hope of past glory (or just not gamble at all). Shark card sales will still be in the same health as before if not better. Nothing sells better than vanity (not even sex).

 

I don't agree that the casino will never come "because they would negate Shark Cards", as Heists payout significant money, even moreso if played on Hard difficulty. Gold on San Andreas Flight School jobs also payout very decently.

 

 

 

@ Nez

If they start restricting then no one will go to the casino. The best thing R* can do is have it as a free for all otherwise the hopes and ideas of gambling won't be worth anything and people will walk away.

 

 

Oh, don't get me wrong, I hope they would not restrict it.

 

Also, I agree re' Shark Cards not being the same as actually playing to win money, reason being that buying Shark Cards does not increase your RP whatsoever, meaning Rank-locked items can only be attained via playing and increasing rank.

[rlr149]

 

 

 

True, it could well be a remnant of a scrapped Heist. I have a hunch (And only a hunch, mind you.) that it isn't anything to do with a Heist, though. Why? Well, it would make sense for the casino to be a non-Heist locale as it would separate itself from Heists in terms of different money making options for the player. Sell a vehicle, claim someone's bounty, rob a 24/7 store, tackle a Heist, play some rounds at the casino.... Rockstar Games has expanded the amount of game modes and functionality in previous updates, so it would follow suit (No pun intended, haha.) for the casino to always have been separate from the Heists since it was first planned to be a thing. Just my 2 pence. :-3

 

having dreams is good. but....

 

Legality[edit]

A study of online gambling legislation published in May 2015 found that 39 countries ban online casinos completely, 32 countries ban local operators from running casino sites, but allow foreign companies to accept bets, 61 countries license online casinos, and 93 countries neither license, nor ban them.^[10]

you want a casino yes?,

you just banned this game in 39 countries, and got it licenced/restricted in 61. that licencing probably says something about guaranteeing 'fair play'.......... nope, no hackers in this game!!

you've just stop friends playing together because some poor bastard lives in a country where he can't play with people who do have the casino.

and don't say it requires a 'payout' to be gambling, because you don't get a payout if you lose anyway! and it's still gambling with real money!

 

 

True, having dreams is good. Hell, I like being an optimist in general, it certainly beats being a miserable pessimist! (Not that I'm saying you're a miserable pessimist.)

maybe i'm just a realist, i never said i agree with the laws in whatever country, just that they 'are'

and that R* have to factor this in when thinking of updates. they've got to try and keep everyone who paid billions for this happy, not just you and your 40$

 

As someone else stated previously, gambling already exists in the game to a degree anyway. People can already buy virtual cash with their real cash, and then gamble said virtual cash when betting on winning a job. Casino would expand functionality on this, yes, but it wouldn't actually become an issue anywhere in the world unless people in power in whatever regions actively acted upon the casino update and attempted to sue Rockstar Games formally.

i won't deny it's a fine line but betting on a job isn't a 'chance' game. and it's not my distinction. that quote specifically mentions 'casino's' not 'gambling'.

you bet on yourself and try to win, you're betting on your skill.

you bet on them and throw the race, it's still not 'chance' like a casino game is. you chose to throw it.

you think they're going to win bet on them and still try, it's still a bet on 'skill' over 'chance'

 

Also aforementioned is Rockstar Games' attitude to towards pushing boundaries. Do people forget that this is the same company that still takes taboo-like risks to this day even after their Hot Coffee fiasco years ago? And what about Grand Theft Auto's general violent and brutal premise which has been, and still is, a debating point?

hot coffee wasn't released by R* so they didn't push that boundry. modders unlocked it. and why did they not leave it in the finished game as 'playable'? maybe because it was going too far? or maybe just a little childish tbh.

as for violence, you'd be hard pressed to single this game out over any other combat game........... except maybe the torture scene......... oh look, boundry pushed!

 

The reason for lack of a casino is almost definitely not to do with international laws, and much more to do with ironing out bugs and finishing development of the casino's functionality, interior aesthetics, voice clips, etecetera, as well as deciding/finalising when to launch the update itself.

says who? can i get a bookies odds on that?

 

Edited July 14, 2015 by rlr149

[Mach1bud]

 

 

 

 

True, it could well be a remnant of a scrapped Heist. I have a hunch (And only a hunch, mind you.) that it isn't anything to do with a Heist, though. Why? Well, it would make sense for the casino to be a non-Heist locale as it would separate itself from Heists in terms of different money making options for the player. Sell a vehicle, claim someone's bounty, rob a 24/7 store, tackle a Heist, play some rounds at the casino.... Rockstar Games has expanded the amount of game modes and functionality in previous updates, so it would follow suit (No pun intended, haha.) for the casino to always have been separate from the Heists since it was first planned to be a thing. Just my 2 pence. :-3

 

having dreams is good. but....

 

Legality[edit]

A study of online gambling legislation published in May 2015 found that 39 countries ban online casinos completely, 32 countries ban local operators from running casino sites, but allow foreign companies to accept bets, 61 countries license online casinos, and 93 countries neither license, nor ban them.^[10]

you want a casino yes?,

you just banned this game in 39 countries, and got it licenced/restricted in 61. that licencing probably says something about guaranteeing 'fair play'.......... nope, no hackers in this game!!

you've just stop friends playing together because some poor bastard lives in a country where he can't play with people who do have the casino.

and don't say it requires a 'payout' to be gambling, because you don't get a payout if you lose anyway! and it's still gambling with real money!

 

True, having dreams is good. Hell, I like being an optimist in general, it certainly beats being a miserable pessimist! (Not that I'm saying you're a miserable pessimist.)

maybe i'm just a realist, i never said i agree with the laws in whatever country, just that they 'are'

and that R* have to factor this in when thinking of updates. they've got to try and keep everyone who paid billions for this happy, not just you and your 40$

 

As someone else stated previously, gambling already exists in the game to a degree anyway. People can already buy virtual cash with their real cash, and then gamble said virtual cash when betting on winning a job. Casino would expand functionality on this, yes, but it wouldn't actually become an issue anywhere in the world unless people in power in whatever regions actively acted upon the casino update and attempted to sue Rockstar Games formally.

i won't deny it's a fine line but betting on a job isn't a 'chance' game. and it's not my distinction. that quote specifically mentions 'casino's' not 'gambling'.

you bet on yourself and try to win, you're betting on you're skill.

you bet on them and throw the race, it's still not 'chance' like a casino game is. you chose to throw it.

you think they're going to win bet on them and still try, it's still a bet on 'skill' over 'chance'

 

Also aforementioned is Rockstar Games' attitude to towards pushing boundaries. Do people forget that this is the same company that still takes taboo-like risks to this day even after their Hot Coffee fiasco years ago? And what about Grand Theft Auto's general violent and brutal premise which has been, and still is, a debating point?

hot coffee wasn't released by R* so they didn't push that boundry. modders unlocked it. and why did they not leave it in the finished game as 'playable'? maybe because it was going too far? or maybe just a little childish tbh.

as for violence, you'd be hard pressed to single this game out over any other combat game........... except maybe the torture scene......... oh look, boundry pushed!

 

The reason for lack of a casino is almost definitely not to do with international laws, and much more to do with ironing out bugs and finishing development of the casino's functionality, interior aesthetics, voice clips, etecetera, as well as deciding/finalising when to launch the update itself.

says who? can i get a bookies odds on that?

 

Betting on a race is still chance. Just because people abuse it doesnt mean it isnt chance. I can bet 10k on a lvl 1 if I feel like it. I can bet on a pro racer expecting to lose, but he ends up sucking. It can go anyway. Edited July 14, 2015 by Mach1bud

[Cudwieser]

This game is coming up on two years.

 

I'm surprised how many people think/expect major updates this far in.

 

I was under the impression we were on the downslope of the bell curve and at best we'd get a weapon or car now and then.

 

I'm glad to see the optimism, even if I don't have it myself.

Same down curve was true of technology as well yet Sony are still supporting the PS3 as well as the PS4 some 2+ years after the other was released. The PS2 barely got a years support after the PS3 came out. Truth is the architecture of games have changed and more games are online centric. As such the scope for expansion and ongoing development has improved. This means games will have a longer lifespan in the online environment. As such there is no reason not to have major developments this far in. As long as there is fodder for the cannon and money to be made we will have god knows how much expansion.

[NubcakeVII]

We have all this talk about the Casino being unable to open because of various anti-gambling laws.

 

But isn't the betting system the same thing since you can buy virtual cash with real currency and then bet it? You're betting real money virtually, which means you're technically able to lose real money, in a sense.

 

This is allowed, yet people say the Casino won't be.

 

Am I making any sense, or am I wrong?

[Naean]

 

 

 

 

True, it could well be a remnant of a scrapped Heist. I have a hunch (And only a hunch, mind you.) that it isn't anything to do with a Heist, though. Why? Well, it would make sense for the casino to be a non-Heist locale as it would separate itself from Heists in terms of different money making options for the player. Sell a vehicle, claim someone's bounty, rob a 24/7 store, tackle a Heist, play some rounds at the casino.... Rockstar Games has expanded the amount of game modes and functionality in previous updates, so it would follow suit (No pun intended, haha.) for the casino to always have been separate from the Heists since it was first planned to be a thing. Just my 2 pence. :-3

 

having dreams is good. but....

 

Legality[edit]

A study of online gambling legislation published in May 2015 found that 39 countries ban online casinos completely, 32 countries ban local operators from running casino sites, but allow foreign companies to accept bets, 61 countries license online casinos, and 93 countries neither license, nor ban them.^[10]

you want a casino yes?,

you just banned this game in 39 countries, and got it licenced/restricted in 61. that licencing probably says something about guaranteeing 'fair play'.......... nope, no hackers in this game!!

you've just stop friends playing together because some poor bastard lives in a country where he can't play with people who do have the casino.

and don't say it requires a 'payout' to be gambling, because you don't get a payout if you lose anyway! and it's still gambling with real money!

 

 

True, having dreams is good. Hell, I like being an optimist in general, it certainly beats being a miserable pessimist! (Not that I'm saying you're a miserable pessimist.)

maybe i'm just a realist, i never said i agree with the laws in whatever country, just that they 'are'

and that R* have to factor this in when thinking of updates. they've got to try and keep everyone who paid billions for this happy, not just you and your 40$

 

As someone else stated previously, gambling already exists in the game to a degree anyway. People can already buy virtual cash with their real cash, and then gamble said virtual cash when betting on winning a job. Casino would expand functionality on this, yes, but it wouldn't actually become an issue anywhere in the world unless people in power in whatever regions actively acted upon the casino update and attempted to sue Rockstar Games formally.

i won't deny it's a fine line but betting on a job isn't a 'chance' game. and it's not my distinction. that quote specifically mentions 'casino's' not 'gambling'.

you bet on yourself and try to win, you're betting on you're skill.

you bet on them and throw the race, it's still not 'chance' like a casino game is. you chose to throw it.

you think they're going to win bet on them and still try, it's still a bet on 'skill' over 'chance'

 

Also aforementioned is Rockstar Games' attitude to towards pushing boundaries. Do people forget that this is the same company that still takes taboo-like risks to this day even after their Hot Coffee fiasco years ago? And what about Grand Theft Auto's general violent and brutal premise which has been, and still is, a debating point?

hot coffee wasn't released by R* so they didn't push that boundry. modders unlocked it. and why did they not leave it in the finished game as 'playable'? maybe because it was going too far? or maybe just a little childish tbh.

as for violence, you'd be hard pressed to single this game out over any other combat game........... except maybe the torture scene......... oh look, boundry pushed!

 

The reason for lack of a casino is almost definitely not to do with international laws, and much more to do with ironing out bugs and finishing development of the casino's functionality, interior aesthetics, voice clips, etecetera, as well as deciding/finalising when to launch the update itself.

says who? can i get a bookies odds on that?

 

 

 

Hot Coffee was not an official, vanilla game function in the final product, that is true, but it was intended to be at some point in development and that just shows Rockstar Games' stance on taking a chance.

 

Anyway, if you think that gambling laws around the world play a part in this video game casino, well I strongly disagree with you. Again, like I said many times over, this is Rockstar Games we are talking about here, they almost thrive on taking risks regularly and this would be little different. It's not that I disagree with the laws, it's more along the lines of, I honestly do not see them playing a part in Rockstar Games' casino. If issues do arise, they'll find ways to work with/around it.

 

Also, I should clarify on my last paragraph. I wasn't guaranteeing a casino update, I was just making an 'if anything, what would probably stop/delay them is X, not Y' statement.

Edited July 14, 2015 by Nez Man

[Cudwieser]

We have all this talk about the Casino being unable to open because of various anti-gambling laws.

 

But isn't the betting system the same thing since you can buy virtual cash with real currency and then bet it? You're betting real money virtually, which means you're technically able to lose real money, in a sense.

 

This is allowed, yet people say the Casino won't be.

 

Am I making any sense, or am I wrong?

Too much sense, go away In all seriousness it is simply scale. A bet on a race is just garnish to winning the race, yet casinos are just overt gambling. They are the same thing, but because they are dressed differently people miss the fact gambling is already in the game.

[MusicMan05]

This game is coming up on two years.

 

I'm surprised how many people think/expect major updates this far in.

 

I was under the impression we were on the downslope of the bell curve and at best we'd get a weapon or car now and then.

 

I'm glad to see the optimism, even if I don't have it myself.

 

Some if it has to do with the audio they added to the PS3/360 version with the Beach Bum Update. The audio included both Lester and Martin saying the Casino is now open, as well as Martin suggesting to invest in property, Brucie talking about the Maze Bank Arena dirt Track being open for business, and other things like racing for pinks, and cage fighting. Remember, Rockstar said they had two years worth of plans to support GTA:Online after launch, and Heists were supposed to be released shortly after launch. It makes since that the problems/delays with the heists caused their other major update plans to be pushed back. Now that heists are out they can turn their attention to working on the Story DLC, as well as the other major Online DLC mentioned in the dialogue. while continues to release the smaller content updates to tide players over. With the Heists fiasco, I think the developers learned their lesson, and won't talk about any large updates or set a release date for the single players dlc until they're almost ready to release.

 

Here's the link for the dialogue:

 

 

Also remember, code for the Hydra, as well as the animations used during Heists were added to game long before Heists released.

 

To those saying a casino can't be added because of gambling laws, gambling laws only apply to online gambling when you're winning money, not spending it to play. Playstation Home had The Casino that allowed you to buy chip bundles for upwards of $20-50 dollars. Had they allowed players to exchange chips back in for PSN store credit, then it would have fallen under gambling laws and been illegal.

[Naean]

 

We have all this talk about the Casino being unable to open because of various anti-gambling laws.

 

But isn't the betting system the same thing since you can buy virtual cash with real currency and then bet it? You're betting real money virtually, which means you're technically able to lose real money, in a sense.

 

This is allowed, yet people say the Casino won't be.

 

Am I making any sense, or am I wrong?

Too much sense, go away In all seriousness it is simply scale. A bet on a race is just garnish to winning the race, yet casinos are just overt gambling. They are the same thing, but because they are dressed differently people miss the fact gambling is already in the game.

 

 

Pretty much this. A casino would not be a legal issue, period, unless people in power wherever actively chose to file something or other against Rockstar Games.

[rlr149]

 

 

 

Hot Coffee was not an official, vanilla game function in the final product, that is true, but it was intended to be at some point in development and that just shows Rockstar Games' stance on taking a chance.

that they didn't take the chance to release, they don't get credit for that, anyone can make something childishly offensive and hide it under their bed. thats not boundry pushing.

 

Anyway, if you think that gambling laws around the world play a part in this video game casino, well I strongly disagree with you. Again, like I said many times over, this is Rockstar Games we are talking about here, they almost thrive on taking risks regularly and this would be little different. It's not that I disagree with the laws, it's more along the lines of, I honestly do not see them playing a part in Rockstar Games' casino. If issues do arise, they'll find ways to work with/around it.

like they deleted the hot coffee files from every copy they could get their hands on after that issue arised?

and if you don't think international law concerns R* thats up to you. companies don't hire lawyers for no reason.

Edited July 14, 2015 by rlr149

[Cudwieser]

 

 

We have all this talk about the Casino being unable to open because of various anti-gambling laws.

 

But isn't the betting system the same thing since you can buy virtual cash with real currency and then bet it? You're betting real money virtually, which means you're technically able to lose real money, in a sense.

 

This is allowed, yet people say the Casino won't be.

 

Am I making any sense, or am I wrong?

Too much sense, go away In all seriousness it is simply scale. A bet on a race is just garnish to winning the race, yet casinos are just overt gambling. They are the same thing, but because they are dressed differently people miss the fact gambling is already in the game.

 

 

Pretty much this. A casino would not be a legal issue, period, unless people in power wherever actively chose to file something or other against Rockstar Games.

 

Which has happened and failed [cough Lindsay Lohan cough cough]. Seriously though, there is already free to play gambling games online, even ones set up by pay to play companies, that are accessible to effectively underage players. The concept of gambling isn't that the game itself is gambling, but that someone wagers on the outcome of the game. The game can (technically) be played without a wager (although Texas Hold'em would be very boring). Anyone can learn to play a game (played a PC casino game (without online) when I was 10. It was given free in a PC software mag (forgotten the name)) it is only when you add certain elements to the game, such as a real life risk, that you may incur problems.

Edited July 14, 2015 by Cudwieser

[Chloroform]

Never going to happen in my eyes. Rockstar loves their lackluster updates.

Edited July 14, 2015 by Chloroform

[Naean]

 

 

 

 

Hot Coffee was not an official, vanilla game function in the final product, that is true, but it was intended to be at some point in development and that just shows Rockstar Games' stance on taking a chance.

that they didn't take the chance to release, they don't get credit for that, anyone can make something childishly offensive and hide it under their bed. thats not boundry pushing.

 

Anyway, if you think that gambling laws around the world play a part in this video game casino, well I strongly disagree with you. Again, like I said many times over, this is Rockstar Games we are talking about here, they almost thrive on taking risks regularly and this would be little different. It's not that I disagree with the laws, it's more along the lines of, I honestly do not see them playing a part in Rockstar Games' casino. If issues do arise, they'll find ways to work with/around it.

like they deleted the hot coffee files from every copy they could get their hands on after that issue arised?

and if you don't think international law concerns R* thats up to you. companies don't hire lawyers for no reason.

 

 

To be politely blunt, you're not quite getting it. Whether it was released or not is besides the point, all things considered. The point to take away is that Rockstar Games in general frequently wish to, and do, publish content which could garner morally conflicting/debatable views very easily.

 

As for lawyers, as you can see from past experiences, Rockstar Games evidently employ very good lawyers and have thus on more than one occasion given the almighty boot to incoming attacks, hence why I say a casino update could still be on the cards. (Pun yet again unintentional, heh.)

Edited July 14, 2015 by Nez Man

[TV5555]

I dont see why they would not allow the casion online, I would say the stock market is similar to a casino and that was in the game.

[rlr149]

 

 

So what was it we were doing in RDR?

 

 

what was the RDR version of shark cards again?

 

Are cash cards the sole means of earning money in GTAO?

 

no.

is there a single chance you could lose real money in RDR? could you actually get into real debt if you were 'addicted' to it? like some gamblers are. and which some countries enact laws to protect. whether i like it or not.

 

seriously, convincing me you're right won't make the laws disappear or convince R* to ignore several countries laws and give you a casino, because you think it's ok.

i don't care either way tbh, but R* do if it's gonna get the game banned from entire countries with one update.

[Naean]

I dont see why they would not allow the casion online, I would say the stock market is similar to a casino and that was in the game.

 

Thing is, the stock markets are currently only officially usable in Story Mode, where microtransactions don't exist. Some people bring up the argument that Online including microtransactions thus renders an Online casino not being allowed, for some strange reason. It's an Adult only game with gambling elements already in Online alongside microtransactions. The 'not allowed' mentality does not hold much water.

[TV5555]

 

I dont see why they would not allow the casion online, I would say the stock market is similar to a casino and that was in the game.

 

Thing is, the stock markets are currently only officially usable in Story Mode, where microtransactions don't exist. Some people bring up the argument that Online including microtransactions thus renders an Online casino not being allowed, for some strange reason. It's an Adult only game with gambling elements already in Online alongside microtransactions. The 'not allowed' mentality does not hold much water.

 

Very true.Wasnt the stock market online in the early days though and removed because people found a glitch?

 

Okay, my mistake, I think it could be the offline one that was glitched.

Edited July 14, 2015 by TV5555

[Naean]

 

 

 

So what was it we were doing in RDR?

 

 

what was the RDR version of shark cards again?

 

Are cash cards the sole means of earning money in GTAO?

 

no.

is there a single chance you could lose real money in RDR? could you actually get into real debt if you were 'addicted' to it? like some gamblers are. and which some countries enact laws to protect. whether i like it or not.

 

seriously, convincing me you're right won't make the laws disappear or convince R* to ignore several countries laws and give you a casino, because you think it's ok.

i don't care either way tbh, but R* do if it's gonna get the game banned from entire countries with one update.

 

 

Gambling already exists in the game alongside microtransactions, and you're kidding yourself if you think that casino gambling is vastly different, it is not. Different type of gambling yes, but still gambling all the same. You're clearly making up deluded and far-fetched reasons as to why betting on a race and betting on a card game/roulette/etcetera vary so vastly by law to the point of it being a real issue to Rockstar Games. I'd kindly suggest waking up, smelling the coffee and biting the chocolate mate. ;-3