"The Casino"...Is it ever going to happen?

[rlr149]

 

 

 

 

 

problem is some countries would then see GTAO as 'online gambling'. possibly banning it.

not sure if shark cards can be given to story chars so it might be ok in SP story.

but real money for fake + gambling just invites more problems than its worth.

This is false because there's no way to cash out. You're not gambling real money, you're paying to play, if anything.

You could sell your account I suppose but you do make a good point.

 

Totally illegal and you will end up with a criminal record for fraud for selling your account.

 

 

problem is some countries would then see GTAO as 'online gambling'. possibly banning it.

not sure if shark cards can be given to story chars so it might be ok in SP story.

but real money for fake + gambling just invites more problems than its worth.

This is false because there's no way to cash out. You're not gambling real money, you're paying to play, if anything.

 

Agreed. rlr has forgotten one fundamental. GTA are games for consenting adults. Gambling is generally permitted from 18 and over.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_gambling

 

Legality

 

A study of online gambling legislation published in May 2015 found that 39 countries ban online casinos completely, 32 countries ban local operators from running casino sites, but allow foreign companies to accept bets, 61 countries license online casinos, and 93 countries neither license, nor ban them.^[10]

 

some countries ban it regardless of your age.

 

releasing it would effectivly ban R*'s customers from a game they paid R* for, under their own local laws.

PR disaster.

 

Also some states in the US also ban it regardless of federal law. This is especially true with online gambling. However, this is not considered gambling as you do not receive a payout.

 

 

that makes it worse, you can pour real money into a chance game you can't 'win'.

no RMT's and there'd probably be little issue, but 'addict's' don't do it for the payout

[Halal Cyborg]

You have to be 13+ to play/be gullible enough to buy shark cards.

 

/thread

[Fox2Quick]

It does say "Opening soon". I consider that a contractual obligation on the part of R* and will sue the pants off them if it doesn't open soon.

Someone's forgetting chronology. It says Opening Soon because online takes place before SP and it opens up just before SP. For all intents and purposes, the sign is merely a time stamp.

[Mach1bud]

 

It does say "Opening soon". I consider that a contractual obligation on the part of R* and will sue the pants off them if it doesn't open soon.

Someone's forgetting chronology. It says Opening Soon because online takes place before SP and it opens up just before SP. For all intents and purposes, the sign is merely a time stamp.

The sign is in SP too.

[Sky_Light12]

maybe because it's a easy money

i'm good on blackjack

[Cudwieser]

 

 

 

 

 

 

problem is some countries would then see GTAO as 'online gambling'. possibly banning it.

not sure if shark cards can be given to story chars so it might be ok in SP story.

but real money for fake + gambling just invites more problems than its worth.

This is false because there's no way to cash out. You're not gambling real money, you're paying to play, if anything.

You could sell your account I suppose but you do make a good point.

 

Totally illegal and you will end up with a criminal record for fraud for selling your account.

 

 

problem is some countries would then see GTAO as 'online gambling'. possibly banning it.

not sure if shark cards can be given to story chars so it might be ok in SP story.

but real money for fake + gambling just invites more problems than its worth.

This is false because there's no way to cash out. You're not gambling real money, you're paying to play, if anything.

 

Agreed. rlr has forgotten one fundamental. GTA are games for consenting adults. Gambling is generally permitted from 18 and over.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_gambling

 

Legality

 

A study of online gambling legislation published in May 2015 found that 39 countries ban online casinos completely, 32 countries ban local operators from running casino sites, but allow foreign companies to accept bets, 61 countries license online casinos, and 93 countries neither license, nor ban them.^[10]

 

some countries ban it regardless of your age.

 

releasing it would effectivly ban R*'s customers from a game they paid R* for, under their own local laws.

PR disaster.

 

Also some states in the US also ban it regardless of federal law. This is especially true with online gambling. However, this is not considered gambling as you do not receive a payout.

 

 

that makes it worse, you can pour real money into a chance game you can't 'win'.

no RMT's and there'd probably be little issue, but 'addict's' don't do it for the payout

 

Granted that casinos are banned in some countries, but your evidence is slightly misleading as casinos aren't the sole source of gambling (betting shops and the TOTE are other examples). Sticking to your evidence the UK has no casino site beyond slot arcades and video poker, yet online gambling is legal.

 

While I am also aware many countries shy away from casinos I know of no country where gambling is totally illegal.

 

Sticking to casinos, while some countries are against them and would give off stink if R* implemented such things according to your evidence the majority of the countries in the study either actively license or turn a blind eye to gambling meaning if R* were inclined to do so the majority would be on their side be it through support or through abstinence (in business no cry no foul).

 

I agree gambling is very gray (like your text. Can hardly read it ) the fact that there are age limits where it is allowed means R* is covered if they decide to implement it and it is the onus of the player what they do.

Edited July 13, 2015 by Cudwieser

[Fox2Quick]

 

 

It does say "Opening soon". I consider that a contractual obligation on the part of R* and will sue the pants off them if it doesn't open soon.

Someone's forgetting chronology. It says Opening Soon because online takes place before SP and it opens up just before SP. For all intents and purposes, the sign is merely a time stamp.

The sign is in SP too.

Implying that it is newly opened once you take into account scenes of Trevor being kicked out.

[Mach1bud]

 

 

 

It does say "Opening soon". I consider that a contractual obligation on the part of R* and will sue the pants off them if it doesn't open soon.

Someone's forgetting chronology. It says Opening Soon because online takes place before SP and it opens up just before SP. For all intents and purposes, the sign is merely a time stamp.

The sign is in SP too.Implying that it is newly opened once you take into account scenes of Trevor being kicked out.

I know I was just sayin

[Cudwieser]

maybe because it's a easy money

i'm good on blackjack

Even Online. You know they'll just reset the cards.

[Dirty Hairy]

Nostalgia time: you guys remember rdr's dead man's dice and poker? I poured so many hours into those games.

Edited July 13, 2015 by Dirty.Hairy

[Cudwieser]

Nostalgia time: you guys remember rdr's dead man's dice and poker? I poured so many hours into those games.

We do. Do you remember the casinos in GTA San Andreas. Not online but still gambling.

[Dirty Hairy]

 

Nostalgia time: you guys remember rdr's dead man's dice and poker? I poured so many hours into those games.

We do. Do you remember the casinos in GTA San Andreas. Not online but still gambling.

Lmao I put myself into debt playing those games

[Cudwieser]

More merryweather madness. Would love to see them persistently chasing the poor online (or better still those with more than 20million).

[theEwing1979]

I really hope it happens but I think the whole 'IGG' theme was the right time to do it. I think Rockstar would be foolish not to open it up, for every one player that gets lucky in the casino there will be half a dozen that go broke. Broke players equals more players wanting to play heists, missions etc.... and also more players tempted to buy shark cards! My only concern is the casino opening and the car park turning into a warzone.

[Mach1bud]

I really hope it happens but I think the whole 'IGG' theme was the right time to do it. I think Rockstar would be foolish not to open it up, for every one player that gets lucky in the casino there will be half a dozen that go broke. Broke players equals more players wanting to play heists, missions etc.... and also more players tempted to buy shark cards! My only concern is the casino opening and the car park turning into a warzone.

It will be a stand alone update if it ever does come. It would be the main focus of the DLC. They won't hide something like that, they will hype it.

[Cudwieser]

 

I really hope it happens but I think the whole 'IGG' theme was the right time to do it. I think Rockstar would be foolish not to open it up, for every one player that gets lucky in the casino there will be half a dozen that go broke. Broke players equals more players wanting to play heists, missions etc.... and also more players tempted to buy shark cards! My only concern is the casino opening and the car park turning into a warzone.

It will be a stand alone update if it ever does come. It would be the main focus of the DLC. They won't hide something like that, they will hype it.

 

Pretty much. IGG was just a cash cow. Truth be told if the achievement hunters had completed all the heist achievements they would have been broke before IGG, so it is fairly evident players were meant to spend money one way or another. As for the casino I agree it would be stand alone. In saying that (If the casino opens) what sort of garnish (vehicles, accessories and firearms) would come with it?

[Anachronistic]

problem is some countries would then see GTAO as 'online gambling'. possibly banning it.

not sure if shark cards can be given to story chars so it might be ok in SP story.

but real money for fake + gambling just invites more problems than its worth.

Once again.

 

Gambling already exists in the game.

 

You can bet on any race.

 

It hasn't been a problem so far.

 

But as I don't gamble, if the casino was unable to be robbed it would serve no purpose for me.

[Nick1020]

I doubt it. Me and several crew members talked about this a few days ago. Rockstar would have to find a way to make it work. They'd have to figure out how to make it work with cash cards. If you win often in whatever like let's say blackjack or get 5 million from roulette what good would shark cards be? If you win hardly anything or next to nothing what good would the Casino be. They'd also have to figure out how it won't be exploited and glitched to the point where let's say you can easily make 10 million in less than an hour.

 

Edit: you also have have to consider it's gambling in which the PEGI or some rating organization has a problem with or something.

Edited July 13, 2015 by Nick1020

[Quinn_flower]

nah

[DentureDynamite]

Once again.

 

Gambling already exists in the game.

 

You can bet on any race.

 

It hasn't been a problem so far.

 

But as I don't gamble, if the casino was unable to be robbed it would serve no purpose for me.

 

Betting on a race where your skills/experience and vehicle are known is substantially different than gambling on a generic machine (and like in real life, could very well be controlled).

 

My feeling is that R* are wary of implementing a casino in GTAO for several reasons (some already noted above):

 

1) Glitches and script kiddie moneygens (the implications are pretty obvious, given R*'s ongoing struggle to keep up with them even years after the game's release)

 

2) Player vs. player issues (if you think the GTAO environment is bad now, one can only imagine just how irate people could get when their hard-earned winnings--paid with real money via Shark card--get stolen)

 

3) Detracting from gamer interest in other aspects of GTA Online (whether real or virtual, gambling is highly addictive; once implemented, it would have a very serious affect on other gaming aspects R* may want to promote)

 

R* knows that even the most well-tested and "secure" casino DLC, once released to 10+ million potential gamers, is not going to come back smiling...

Edited July 13, 2015 by DentureDynamite

[-jr-]

Are people forgetting RDR also had gambling in it?... and it wasnt banned...

[Cudwieser]

 

Once again.

 

Gambling already exists in the game.

 

You can bet on any race.

 

It hasn't been a problem so far.

 

But as I don't gamble, if the casino was unable to be robbed it would serve no purpose for me.

 

Betting on a race where your skills/experience and vehicle are known is substantially different than gambling on a generic machine (and like in real life, could very well be controlled).

 

My feeling is that R* are wary of implementing a casino in GTAO for several reasons (some already noted above):

 

1) Glitches and script kiddie moneygens (the implications are pretty obvious, given R*'s ongoing struggle to keep up with them even years after the game's release)

 

2) Player vs. player issues (if you think the GTAO environment is bad now, one can only imagine just how irate people could get when their hard-earned winnings--paid with real money via Shark card--get stolen)

 

3) Detracting from gamer interest in other aspects of GTA Online (whether real or virtual, gambling is highly addictive; once implemented, it would have a very serious affect on other gaming aspects R* may want to promote)

 

1) fair point. R* would be pretty pissed, but the only ones ideally hackable are machine and house games (slots and black jack, et al). While R* would be foolish to let script kiddies run rampant with it there are two things to be known. Firstly script kiddies amount to about 10% of players since most of us don't care for coding ourselves and since only the hacker is the one liable to gain, R* will probably just potshot such hackers. Secondly Most supporters of the casino preach poker, not the other games (with exception of black jack). While we would no doubt play them it is poker that is the draw. Any one who has played a PvP gamble (like the races) you will know when someone is cheating, even if you aren't the best of players. This make PvP cheating pointless.

 

2) Tough sh*t. The rules are clear. Whether you bought your money or not, if you can't stand loosing then don't get involved. If sh*t really hit off it would be no worse than the B+M we have on this forum about K/D and trolls.

 

3) The game is pretty stale at the minute so anything new is a distraction. Like anything new it will turn to little more than a merry go round. A moments distraction before reality bites and things move away in order to come round again. At the minute you have the missionistas, the war mongers and career criminals. Gamblers would just be another heading. Also RDR has poker and dice. To those that still play those games is gambling the only thing you do or do you dick about as well? As for addiction I agree anything with a sense of risk and survival is addictive, but if you are truly addicted then get help, otherwise go and smell the rose once in a while (they have a very nice scent).

Edited July 13, 2015 by Cudwieser

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

I imagine it would be included as part of the rumored Story Mode DLC but that's about it.

I woud bet real life money on it that they never woud release both in the same update

 

Once again.

Gambling already exists in the game.

You can bet on any race.

It hasn't been a problem so far.

But as I don't gamble, if the casino was unable to be robbed it would serve no purpose for me.

Betting on a race where your skills/experience and vehicle are known is substantially different than gambling on a generic machine (and like in real life, could very well be controlled).

 

My feeling is that R* are wary of implementing a casino in GTAO for several reasons (some already noted above):

 

1) Glitches and script kiddie moneygens (the implications are pretty obvious, given R*'s ongoing struggle to keep up with them even years after the game's release)

 

2) Player vs. player issues (if you think the GTAO environment is bad now, one can only imagine just how irate people could get when their hard-earned winnings--paid with real money via Shark card--get stolen)

 

3) Detracting from gamer interest in other aspects of GTA Online (whether real or virtual, gambling is highly addictive; once implemented, it would have a very serious affect on other gaming aspects R* may want to promote)

 

R* knows that even the most well-tested and "secure" casino DLC, once released to 10+ million potential gamers, is not going to come back smiling...

I liked...just because i now imagen 90 percent of the people getting adicted and freeroam being empty.

Ok i actualy liked youre comment by accident, but still....

[kysrsoze]

If they ever add it, you can bet your own money it won't have odds like GTASA. Rather, it'll be much more like real life where you almost always lose... or the most you can make is about $50K/hr.

 

I made a boatload of cash gambling in SA, but I don't expect that to happen here.

Edited July 13, 2015 by kysrsoze

[huckmonkey]

No, it's not. FFs

[Coleco]

If they did open it it would add some variation to activities at least.

 

I think I could take it or leave it - I wasn't massively into them in GTA:SA but I did kinda like Blackjack. No way would it be a fast-track for a quick cash boost though

Edited July 13, 2015 by Coleco

[rlr149]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

problem is some countries would then see GTAO as 'online gambling'. possibly banning it.

not sure if shark cards can be given to story chars so it might be ok in SP story.

but real money for fake + gambling just invites more problems than its worth.

This is false because there's no way to cash out. You're not gambling real money, you're paying to play, if anything.

You could sell your account I suppose but you do make a good point.

 

Totally illegal and you will end up with a criminal record for fraud for selling your account.

 

 

problem is some countries would then see GTAO as 'online gambling'. possibly banning it.

not sure if shark cards can be given to story chars so it might be ok in SP story.

but real money for fake + gambling just invites more problems than its worth.

This is false because there's no way to cash out. You're not gambling real money, you're paying to play, if anything.

 

Agreed. rlr has forgotten one fundamental. GTA are games for consenting adults. Gambling is generally permitted from 18 and over.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_gambling

 

Legality

 

A study of online gambling legislation published in May 2015 found that 39 countries ban online casinos completely, 32 countries ban local operators from running casino sites, but allow foreign companies to accept bets, 61 countries license online casinos, and 93 countries neither license, nor ban them.^[10]

 

some countries ban it regardless of your age.

 

releasing it would effectivly ban R*'s customers from a game they paid R* for, under their own local laws.

PR disaster.

 

Also some states in the US also ban it regardless of federal law. This is especially true with online gambling. However, this is not considered gambling as you do not receive a payout.

 

 

that makes it worse, you can pour real money into a chance game you can't 'win'.

no RMT's and there'd probably be little issue, but 'addict's' don't do it for the payout

 

Granted that casinos are banned in some countries, but your evidence is slightly misleading as casinos aren't the sole source of gambling (betting shops and the TOTE are other examples). Sticking to your evidence the UK has no casino site beyond slot arcades and video poker, yet online gambling is legal.

 

While I am also aware many countries shy away from casinos I know of no country where gambling is totally illegal.

 

Sticking to casinos, while some countries are against them and would give off stink if R* implemented such things according to your evidence the majority of the countries in the study either actively license or turn a blind eye to gambling meaning if R* were inclined to do so the majority would be on their side be it through support or through abstinence (in business no cry no foul).

 

I agree gambling is very gray (like your text. Can hardly read it ) the fact that there are age limits where it is allowed means R* is covered if they decide to implement it and it is the onus of the player what they do.

 

i don't make the laws, and i'm no expert on world gambling laws.

i just know they're different in different countries, including what constitutes 'gambling'.

some games i don't think are gambling, are considered gambling in other countries.

even if it's not outright banned it may well be under restriction/ require licensing/change the games age rating.

 

suddenly people are not legally allowed to play anymore.

 

R* have to think about all the players, not just whats ok in your country.

[rlr149]

Are people forgetting RDR also had gambling in it?... and it wasnt banned...

you couldn't buy ingame money with real money.

[JC Hammer]

i don't make the laws, and i'm no expert on world gambling laws.

 

i just know they're different in different countries, including what constitutes 'gambling'.

some games i don't think are gambling, are considered gambling in other countries.

even if it's not outright banned it may well be under restriction/ require licensing/change the games age rating.

 

suddenly people are not legally allowed to play anymore.

 

R* have to think about all the players, not just whats ok in your country.

I'm pretty sure murder is illegal in most countries but it's part of the game!

 

That's because its a Game! Not real!

[rlr149]

 

i don't make the laws, and i'm no expert on world gambling laws.

 

i just know they're different in different countries, including what constitutes 'gambling'.

some games i don't think are gambling, are considered gambling in other countries.

even if it's not outright banned it may well be under restriction/ require licensing/change the games age rating.

 

suddenly people are not legally allowed to play anymore.

 

R* have to think about all the players, not just whats ok in your country.

I'm pretty sure murder is illegal in most countries but it's part of the game!

 

That's because its a Game! Not real!

 

that you can piss real money into.

 

and again for the hard of reading......... i don't make the laws, and i don't agree with some of them either.

Edited July 13, 2015 by rlr149