R* adds Junk Code to combat modding while ruining performance.

[southparkmayor]

Oh...So that's the reason why I am getting a serious stutter problem since the latest patch. Screw you C* and their Online which will doom the series.

Yes, I suspect R* did something very similar after update 3. After Update 3, The game's performance went downhill and a new stutter/judder was introduced. The Graphics also got uglier and pop ups became common.

[Naroon]

dear god, get away with your conspiracy theories, it makes no f*cking sense to cripple performance to block mods, it just doesnt make any SENSE AT ALL.

 

It's not a conspiracy theory, it's a conspiracy fact. Sure it makes no sense, but anyone who has been following GTAO since launch can tell you that hardly anything they've done with this game made any sense. There are still TONS of ridiculously braindead decisions they've made in this game, which are in the SP as well mind you. Like the fact that animals in the game world can "witness" and "report" crimes, which is why the player gets wanted levels even when they're in a completely isolated area with no one around them. Or how about their terrible coding/scripting for the cops/enemy spawns? How you can be in the mountains and have a cop car spawn out of nowhere right behind you, or how fresh helicopters spawn out of nowhere mere meters in front of you right after you take one down. There's tons of this nonsense in the game. And now they're adding literal junk code to the game in a pathetic attempt to try to thwart modders. It's embarrassing.

 

See, here's the thing. Cockstar has always tried to maintain that GTAO is its own game, but that's been bullsh*t since day one because it's true in name only. Can you play GTAO without buying GTA V? No. Does GTAO have it's own actual .exe? No. GTAO is intrinsically hooked straight into the SP, for reasons which make absolutely zero sense to me. Hell, even Infinity Ward separated their executables for SP and MP since day one with their CoD series starting back in 2003. That's a full decade before GTAO/GTAV even launched and they had the foresight to do that. Quake 3 came out in 1999 and it has exquisite handling of mods. You can mod the piss out of the game but if you do so, you can only play with others who have the same mods as you. But not with GTAO, oh no, stuff like that makes too much sense, therefore Cockstar doesn't do it.

 

GTAO is not only P2P-based, but heavily linked with cloud storage as well. They have been failing miserably at "combating hackers/modders" since day one on last-gen consoles. They have lied to the community countless times, such as blatantly saying they would never patch out harmless glitches like the ones that launch your cars into the sky (reminiscent of the swingset glitch in GTA IV), yet they turned around and eliminated every single one of these they could find. They said they hated glitchers and script-kiddies, yet they featured some of them on their TwitchTV stream sessions. Yep, C* became a laughing stock to the extent that there are entire threads in various forum communities dedicated solely to "Rockstar Logic" because it seems like something out of the twilight zone.

 

As for this Xenox jabroni, just give it a rest. Your attempted defense of this company is laughably bad. Tons of evidence has been basically thrown in your face and you repeatedly deny it for no valid reason. Stop with the sh*t-posing plz.

[XenoxX]

 

dear god, get away with your conspiracy theories, it makes no f*cking sense to cripple performance to block mods, it just doesnt make any SENSE AT ALL.

 

It's not a conspiracy theory, it's a conspiracy fact. Sure it makes no sense, but anyone who has been following GTAO since launch can tell you that hardly anything they've done with this game made any sense. There are still TONS of ridiculously braindead decisions they've made in this game, which are in the SP as well mind you. Like the fact that animals in the game world can "witness" and "report" crimes, which is why the player gets wanted levels even when they're in a completely isolated area with no one around them. Or how about their terrible coding/scripting for the cops/enemy spawns? How you can be in the mountains and have a cop car spawn out of nowhere right behind you, or how fresh helicopters spawn out of nowhere mere meters in front of you right after you take one down. There's tons of this nonsense in the game. And now they're adding literal junk code to the game in a pathetic attempt to try to thwart modders. It's embarrassing.

 

See, here's the thing. Cockstar has always tried to maintain that GTAO is its own game, but that's been bullsh*t since day one because it's true in name only. Can you play GTAO without buying GTA V? No. Does GTAO have it's own actual .exe? No. GTAO is intrinsically hooked straight into the SP, for reasons which make absolutely zero sense to me. Hell, even Infinity Ward separated their executables for SP and MP since day one with their CoD series starting back in 2003. That's a full decade before GTAO/GTAV even launched and they had the foresight to do that. Quake 3 came out in 1999 and it has exquisite handling of mods. You can mod the piss out of the game but if you do so, you can only play with others who have the same mods as you. But not with GTAO, oh no, stuff like that makes too much sense, therefore Cockstar doesn't do it.

 

GTAO is not only P2P-based, but heavily linked with cloud storage as well. They have been failing miserably at "combating hackers/modders" since day one on last-gen consoles. They have lied to the community countless times, such as blatantly saying they would never patch out harmless glitches like the ones that launch your cars into the sky (reminiscent of the swingset glitch in GTA IV), yet they turned around and eliminated every single one of these they could find. They said they hated glitchers and script-kiddies, yet they featured some of them on their TwitchTV stream sessions. Yep, C* became a laughing stock to the extent that there are entire threads in various forum communities dedicated solely to "Rockstar Logic" because it seems like something out of the twilight zone.

 

As for this Xenox jabroni, just give it a rest. Your attempted defense of this company is laughably bad. Tons of evidence has been basically thrown in your face and you repeatedly deny it for no valid reason. Stop with the sh*t-posing plz.

 

Keep believing what you want.

And I keep believing what I want.

Because none of the statements of us are backed up by actual facts.

 

I will just hope there will be a fix for the performance issue, anything else, is absolutely irrelevant for me

[Gforce]

Getting roughly a 10fps drop and constant random lockups and freezes with the IGG updates compared to v350, and that's down from a solid 60fps.

 

the latest update has pretty much made the game unplayable on settings that still work perfectly fine with my offline modding folder that's still running v350.

they still haven't fixed the Nvidia 2nd monitor problem that messes up the phone, so I can't even output the game to my 4K TV if I want to play, I have to manually turn the 2nd monitor off in the Nvidia control panel, this problem does not exist when playing my modded folder.

 

yet the game runs perfectly well in my modding folder running on v350, and this is no ordinary modded folder either, I have a sh!t ton of personal mods installed and a custom built update.rpf with all the IGG dlc manually bolted in with manually edited meta files and rpf's all over the place, and that's on top of around 50 public released asi/lua/,net mods installed, and the game runs flawlessly.

I've paid full price for GTA V 3 times on 3 platforms, 360, PS4 and PC, and my plan for the future R* SP dlc is simple, I won't actually be paying for it until it's on one of those 75% off sales, and support R* the same way I feel they're currently supporting the legit PC players, and all I'm hearing atm is 'F*ck you, we've got your cash'.

it's coming to something when the Reloaded pirate version of the game runs better than the genuine game I paid full price for !!!

 

so far given all the horror stories, I have avoided going online, so f*ck knows how bad that is.

my system specs ? in my sig

[XenoxX]

Getting roughly a 10fps drop and constant random lockups and freezes with the IGG updates compared to v350, and that's down from a solid 60fps.

 

the latest update has pretty much made the game unplayable on settings that still work perfectly fine with my offline modding folder that's still running v350.

 

they still haven't fixed the Nvidia 2nd monitor problem that messes up the phone, so I can't even output the game to my 4K TV if I want to play, I have to manually turn the 2nd monitor off in the Nvidia control panel, this problem does not exist when playing my modded folder.

 

yet the game runs perfectly well in my modding folder running on v350, and this is no ordinary modded folder either, I have a sh!t ton of personal mods installed and a custom built update.rpf with all the IGG dlc manually bolted in with manually edited meta files and rpf's all over the place, and that's on top of around 50 public released asi/lua/,net mods installed, and the game runs flawlessly.

 

I've paid full price for GTA V 3 times on 3 platforms, 360, PS4 and PC, and my plan for the future R* SP dlc is simple, I won't actually be paying for it until it's on one of those 75% off sales, and support R* the same way I feel they're currently supporting the legit PC players, and all I'm hearing atm is 'F*ck you, we've got your cash'.

 

it's coming to something when the Reloaded pirate version of the game runs better than the genuine game I paid full price for !!!

 

so far given all the horror stories, I have avoided going online, so f*ck knows how bad that is.

 

my system specs ? in my sig

I highly doubt SP DLC will be on sale 75% off any time soon.

[Gforce]

 

Getting roughly a 10fps drop and constant random lockups and freezes with the IGG updates compared to v350, and that's down from a solid 60fps.

 

the latest update has pretty much made the game unplayable on settings that still work perfectly fine with my offline modding folder that's still running v350.

 

they still haven't fixed the Nvidia 2nd monitor problem that messes up the phone, so I can't even output the game to my 4K TV if I want to play, I have to manually turn the 2nd monitor off in the Nvidia control panel, this problem does not exist when playing my modded folder.

 

yet the game runs perfectly well in my modding folder running on v350, and this is no ordinary modded folder either, I have a sh!t ton of personal mods installed and a custom built update.rpf with all the IGG dlc manually bolted in with manually edited meta files and rpf's all over the place, and that's on top of around 50 public released asi/lua/,net mods installed, and the game runs flawlessly.

 

I've paid full price for GTA V 3 times on 3 platforms, 360, PS4 and PC, and my plan for the future R* SP dlc is simple, I won't actually be paying for it until it's on one of those 75% off sales, and support R* the same way I feel they're currently supporting the legit PC players, and all I'm hearing atm is 'F*ck you, we've got your cash'.

 

it's coming to something when the Reloaded pirate version of the game runs better than the genuine game I paid full price for !!!

 

so far given all the horror stories, I have avoided going online, so f*ck knows how bad that is.

 

my system specs ? in my sig

I highly doubt SP DLC will be on sale 75% off any time soon.

 

aren't you the f*cking smart one pointing out the f*cking obvious, well done you must be proud you're so f*cking smart !!

 

another [email protected] adding nothing f*cking useful to a topic.

[oCrapaCreeper]

Some guy did a write up a bit ago on how badly thought out Online is on the technical side, and why cheating is so rampant and easy even with Rockstar's attempts to stop it.

Edited July 13, 2015 by oCrapaCreeper

[TempAccount]

rather r* be openly hostile against modding than doing nothing while hackers rule. i'm missing out on at least half of the game because of hackers.

 

 

*puts on flameproof suit*

[fefenc]

 

The problem is Rockstar thinks they're smarter than us all. Come on every time an update is launched they try to change the natives around on purpose, and that doesn't need evidence, just look at the hundreds upon hundreds of pages on the ScriptHook topic of complaints every time a patch launches. This is all about Rockstar being stubborn, believe me. As I said, they aren't famous for good decisions.

But we'll see what they do about this, anyway...

Oh honestly I would be fine if they just block ALL MODS and Script Hook after all.

Mods have done nothing but harm to R* and the User...

But R* realy needs to try harder and smarter to stop people from modding...

 

Mods might have harmed YOU because you must be one of those guys that goes to a skyrim group to tell people how they ruined their games with ultra realistic graphics... Who harmed the players was R* themselves with their awful decisions to protect their shark card baby, so expect they attempting to block mods on V every update because they designed singleplayer to suck in comparison to GTA V Online and they want keep SP that way so they can make more money by selling shark cards to the kids to they buy a new supercar from a new "free" DLC.

 

Let's see who'll win this war, I bet on the community.

 

 

-Incomprehensible complaining-

Here's a crazy idea: Don't play Online? Problem solved.

I wonder wether you're trolling or if you've "issues" to read...

Edited July 13, 2015 by fefenc

[XenoxX]

 

 

they want keep SP that way so they can make more money by selling shark cards to the kids to they buy a new supercar from a new "free" DLC.

 

 

 

Yea and 9 11 was planned by the government,

And R* is illuminati and is trying to controll the world so their shark cards sell...

 

Some points of yours are valid, but R* intentionaly downgrading SP is just BS and you know it.

[fefenc]

They don't care about SP, both are on the same .exe, so R* is taking advantage of this situation and making things much harder for both SP and MP modders. "If it's needed to sacrifice SP to put some stuff in online, so beat it, good SP mods are a huge threat to our main money source (GTA Online) right now."

 

Bullsh*t is supporting such greedy action when R* was caught lying plenty of ti.... Well, your member title says everything.

Edited July 13, 2015 by fefenc

[XenoxX]

They don't care about SP, both are on the same .exe, so R* is taking advantage of this situation and making things much harder for both SP and MP modders. "If it's needed to sacrifice SP to put some stuff in online, so beat it, good SP mods are a huge threat to our main money source (GTA Online) right now."

 

Bullsh*t is supporting such greedy action when R* was caught lying plenty of ti.... Well, your member title says everything.

As I said, R* sacrificing GTA V because it is on the same exe. as GTA Online is true.

 

But R* sacrificing GTA V so people start playing Online is just BS and you know it...

[fefenc]

Then explains me, why multiplayer feels much more complete than SP in terms of features?

 

We don't have car insurance, we can't buy houses, we can't store chocolate bars we buy on the grocery (I think the same can be applied to the body armor), we can't own lots of garages with space for 10 cars, we can't use a random shirt under a jacket, we can't call Lester for his services, etc, etc, etc....

Edited July 13, 2015 by fefenc

[XenoxX]

Then explains me, why multiplayer feels much more complete than SP in terms of features?

 

We don't have car insurance, we can't buy houses, we can't store chocolate bars we buy on the grocery (I think the same can be applied to the body armor), we can't own lots of garages with space for 10 cars, we can't use a random shirt under a jacket, we can't call Lester for his services, etc, etc, etc....

Because Online was designed by Lesllie The Benz as lead, and SP had its influence mostly from the houser brothers.

[fefenc]

 

Then explains me, why multiplayer feels much more complete than SP in terms of features?

 

We don't have car insurance, we can't buy houses, we can't store chocolate bars we buy on the grocery (I think the same can be applied to the body armor), we can't own lots of garages with space for 10 cars, we can't use a random shirt under a jacket, we can't call Lester for his services, etc, etc, etc....

Because Online was designed by Lesllie The Benz as lead, and SP had its influence mostly from the houser brothers.

One thing has nothing to do with another. Judging by your thoughts, you're leading to another evidence of capped content on singleplayer to praise multiplayer, most of those MP upgraded features were made during game development and they could be easily ported to SP since it was made on the same game.

Edited July 13, 2015 by fefenc

[Viscera6930]

I haven't gotten back on Online since the update (I don't play because of the ridiculous amount of hackers) but I'd be willing to be that has literally not affected the hackers in Online in the slightest. Just ruining our favorite mods...

I tried GTA5 Online last night for the first time and i was being snipped around every corner it seemed like, killed with one hit kill shots.

I finally did see the Ass*&^* that was doing it. I got in a place that was hard for him to get a shot off and he thought it would be hard for me. Wrong i hit him head shot, and nothing he just kept shooting.

I hopped on my Bike and jetted out. He gave chase. I figure screw it i stopped and pulled out my homing rocket launcher and he came around corner BAM, There was explosion and he was shooting me through the fire and smoke. When All cleared i was dead and he was standing there switching through an array of weapons. YUP my first time in GTA5 online was also my last. thanks to Hackers.

This also why i dont play MP anything.......

I smack my self i should had known better.....

[DEERxBanshee]

 

They don't care about SP, both are on the same .exe, so R* is taking advantage of this situation and making things much harder for both SP and MP modders. "If it's needed to sacrifice SP to put some stuff in online, so beat it, good SP mods are a huge threat to our main money source (GTA Online) right now."

 

Bullsh*t is supporting such greedy action when R* was caught lying plenty of ti.... Well, your member title says everything.

As I said, R* sacrificing GTA V because it is on the same exe. as GTA Online is true.

 

But R* sacrificing GTA V so people start playing Online is just BS and you know it...

 

 

They totally sacrificed single player so people would play online..what is getting all the attention?

 

Seriously...

 

Oh and sorry I don't have "facts" to back this up but come on, do you really need some stupid article that is probably bullsh*t written by some hipster over at IGN which was fed to them by Rockstar saying it was an oversight on their part? An oversight that will more than likely not see a hotfix or any attention at all except the usual nonsense by flunkies at Rockstar Support saying "We're looking into it".

[XenoxX]

 

 

They don't care about SP, both are on the same .exe, so R* is taking advantage of this situation and making things much harder for both SP and MP modders. "If it's needed to sacrifice SP to put some stuff in online, so beat it, good SP mods are a huge threat to our main money source (GTA Online) right now."

 

Bullsh*t is supporting such greedy action when R* was caught lying plenty of ti.... Well, your member title says everything.

As I said, R* sacrificing GTA V because it is on the same exe. as GTA Online is true.

 

But R* sacrificing GTA V so people start playing Online is just BS and you know it...

 

They totally sacrificed single player so people would play online..what is getting all the attention?

 

Seriously...

 

Oh and sorry I don't have "facts" to back this up but come on, do you really need some stupid article that is probably bullsh*t written by some hipster over at IGN which was fed to them by Rockstar saying it was an oversight on their part? An oversight that will more than likely not see a hotfix or any attention at all except the usual nonsense by flunkies at Rockstar Support saying "We're looking into it".

 

You just need to name one fact, not even an article, all you said is speculation and therefor BS...

Conspiracy...

[SilverRST]

 

 

 

They don't care about SP, both are on the same .exe, so R* is taking advantage of this situation and making things much harder for both SP and MP modders. "If it's needed to sacrifice SP to put some stuff in online, so beat it, good SP mods are a huge threat to our main money source (GTA Online) right now."

 

Bullsh*t is supporting such greedy action when R* was caught lying plenty of ti.... Well, your member title says everything.

As I said, R* sacrificing GTA V because it is on the same exe. as GTA Online is true.

 

But R* sacrificing GTA V so people start playing Online is just BS and you know it...

 

They totally sacrificed single player so people would play online..what is getting all the attention?

 

Seriously...

 

Oh and sorry I don't have "facts" to back this up but come on, do you really need some stupid article that is probably bullsh*t written by some hipster over at IGN which was fed to them by Rockstar saying it was an oversight on their part? An oversight that will more than likely not see a hotfix or any attention at all except the usual nonsense by flunkies at Rockstar Support saying "We're looking into it".

 

You just need to name one fact, not even an article, all you said is speculation and therefor BS...

Conspiracy...

 

Conspiracy.... Lol, alright. Are you really that stubborn?? Look, I won't be talking this dirty but you seem to love to gobble on R* Android Lollipop

but you need to stop gobbling on it. It's not good for your brain. The guy above you, Gforce has a freaking 5th gen Intel i7 Hexacore CPU

and a topnotch GPU and yet he complains about performance decreased. How is that on average PCs??

My PC is sh*t compared to his and I only have an i7-4770, GTX780 and 16GB but R* thought they needed to f*ck this up.

If you think it's not that junk code, then why didn't they came up earlier with this mental retarded junk code idea??

 

I know another conspiracy. GTAV is made and developed by NSA and delivered to you by a bunch of grasshopper with trackingsystem.

[daformer]

HAS ROCKSTAR GONE TOO [email protected][email protected]!

[Teletesselator]

I bet some higher ups were like.

 

...

...

...

 

Supervisor: "Who cares, now people have to buy shark cards and grind missions if they need money"

 

Yup! And the who management staff applauded! And are likely still standing in ovation. I'm close to boycotting this game myself - F'em!

 

Gone are my $30,000 smuggler planes and choppers that appeared 3 or 4 times per hour.

Gone are the $10,000 purple circle police diversions that appeared 3 or 4 times an hour.

Gone are the $4,000 red car and bike target vehicles that appeared 3 or 4 times an hour.

Gone are the armored car attacks that took place 2 or 3 times per hour (variable pay)

 

They added muggers it seems tho. I haven't tried those yet.

 

And Rockstar has reduced the amount that /most/ missions pay by almost half.

 

There can be ONLY one reason for doing all these things: Buy our shark cards!

 

I don't know enough expletives to express my disgust at this kind of BS !!!!!!!

 

I say we get the White Hats to take them down until they change their attitude & policies... I'm considering contacting a few I happen to know...

Edited July 14, 2015 by Teletesselator

[Loudy]

 

 

They don't care about SP, both are on the same .exe, so R* is taking advantage of this situation and making things much harder for both SP and MP modders. "If it's needed to sacrifice SP to put some stuff in online, so beat it, good SP mods are a huge threat to our main money source (GTA Online) right now."

 

Bullsh*t is supporting such greedy action when R* was caught lying plenty of ti.... Well, your member title says everything.

As I said, R* sacrificing GTA V because it is on the same exe. as GTA Online is true.

 

But R* sacrificing GTA V so people start playing Online is just BS and you know it...

 

They totally sacrificed single player so people would play online..what is getting all the attention?

 

Seriously...

 

Oh and sorry I don't have "facts" to back this up but come on, do you really need some stupid article that is probably bullsh*t written by some hipster over at IGN which was fed to them by Rockstar saying it was an oversight on their part? An oversight that will more than likely not see a hotfix or any attention at all except the usual nonsense by flunkies at Rockstar Support saying "We're looking into it".

 

You asked for it, it's not IGN but you'll have to do with it.

http://kotaku.com/gtav-on-pc-gets-slower-mod-protection-blamed-1717419626

[Nicky_Sierra]

dear god, get away with your conspiracy theories, it makes no f*cking sense to cripple performance to block mods, it just doesnt make any SENSE AT ALL.

 

Conspiracy theory?

How can one thing be a theory if it has a solid proven facts and evidence?

 

Stop with the "My opinion is correct, the rest of yours is BS" mindset

Edited July 14, 2015 by Nicky_Sierra

[XenoxX]

 

dear god, get away with your conspiracy theories, it makes no f*cking sense to cripple performance to block mods, it just doesnt make any SENSE AT ALL.

 

Conspiracy theory?

How can one thing be a theory if it has a solid proven facts and evidence?

 

Where is evidence R* INTENTIONALY dumped down SP to bring new Users to Online ? Where ?You got some "inside info"

 

They only thing that has been confirmed is that natives are called much slower in the new Update, this could very well be cause by an ERROR or something unintentional....

But people want CONSPIRACY, because their live is boring..

[Cutter De Blanc]

Sticking your fingers in your ears and going "LA LA LA! I CANT HEAR YOU!" is a great way to win an argument.

[XenoxX]

Sticking your fingers in your ears and going "LA LA LA! I CANT HEAR YOU!" is a great way to win an argument.

I didn't, I am just saying the ONLY fact is that functions call slower, evreything else is unconfirmed and/or conspiracy...

[Lakitu]

Is it only me who has not seen any performance drop?

 

In fact it is only since the last update Online has actually run half decent... still get kicked because of lag occasionally...

 

Didn't see any problems when I tested mods in SP either...

[Kaito Katsumi]

Just my thoughts.. What's wrong with this?

I don't get many of you.

Many modders and script kiddies online, complain.

Rockstar adds codes to combat modding and script kiddies, complain.

 

 

dear god, get away with your conspiracy theories, it makes no f*cking sense to cripple performance to block mods, it just doesnt make any SENSE AT ALL.

 

Conspiracy theory?

How can one thing be a theory if it has a solid proven facts and evidence?

 

Stop with the "My opinion is correct, the rest of yours is BS" mindset

I don't know about the claimed "solid proof and fact" that rockstar intentionally crippled performance, but here's a statement. Solid fact and evidence that you have a double standard. Aren't you being self righeous a lil bit as well? Edited July 14, 2015 by Kaito Katsumi

[Teletesselator]

Is it only me who has not seen any performance drop?

Likely, yes.

 

 

 

In fact it is only since the last update Online has actually run half decent... still get kicked because of lag occasionally...

What rank are you?

Do you use Midigun?

Have you visited Ammo Nation (gun store)?

Do you fly?

Do you drive fast?

Do you crash your car?

etc.

[Spider-Vice]

 

Oh...So that's the reason why I am getting a serious stutter problem since the latest patch. Screw you C* and their Online which will doom the series.

Yes, I suspect R* did something very similar after update 3. After Update 3, The game's performance went downhill and a new stutter/judder was introduced. The Graphics also got uglier and pop ups became common.

 

This is exactly what's making me think this won't even be fixed, they really don't give a sh*t, they only want to protect their precious game in stupid and inefficient ways.