Setzaroth Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Is it also trolling to have a corner monopoly in the board game "monopoly" It's almost like people play in a way that is advantageous to them. It's fun to play the victim card but for as long as GTA has been out, everyone has access to the Hydra, or, they are a high enough level to have the police turn a blind eye, and go grab a Lazer with 0 opposition from the God-Mode NPCs The only excuse for getting killed over and over it stupidity. Yesterday a level 70+ was trying to kill me while I was in my Kuruma. (He initiated) Time and time again, he would do nothing but shoot at me with a rifle... a level 70... so, know what I did? I ran him down for an hour straight because a level 70 should not only know better, but using common sense, should have at least got the high ground. I'm not going to baby sit people who are too dumb for their own good. Use passive mode, and/or play in a private session if you want to be left alone. I always see people say "oh hurr durr killing people in free roam is just uncreative durr hurr" So, I ask, what else is there to do? Kill a smuggler vehicle once every 5 hours? Ok, i'll give you that... but what else? I promise whatever the answer is, it is something that can and should be done in a lobby by yourself or while in passive mode No idea why you keep bringing up Monopoly; of course it's not trolling. The goal of the game is to amass X amount of dollars by buying properties and profiting off them. No one is disputing that griefers can be dealt with (and will usually leave to find easier prey afterwards). But the OP asked why griefers are so hated. Because they're "griefers". It's in their title. It was a dumb question. Griefers don't bother me in the slightest; they give me an excuse to kill other players. Gives me something to do. But I don't bother other people; especially lower level players or players that aren't interested in combat. Because it's an obnoxious strategy, but well within the bounds of what is allowed. GTA is open world, so there is no "point" other than what you want to do. Killing people is allowed, and if it's what you want to do.. there's no basis for action to be taken against them. The reason (again) why griefing is an option to report someone for, is because griefing doesn't mean killing someone over and over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ten-a-penny Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 *facedesk* But I have no problem with people killing me? And I just described what's REAL griefing is? Which is killing the same people (who aren't fighting mind you) over and over and/or using cheap tactics which gives you a HUGE unfair advantages over newbies? Its like you people are brainless. Seriously. Niobium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setzaroth Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 (edited) Griefing is an option in the report area because they are referring to harassment and verbal abuse. Killing someone over and over in a game is not griefing, no matter how much people want that to be the definition. It's more of a slang term if anything Firstly, using Bold in your text hurts my eyes. Secondly, for the last f*cking time, killing people over and over is NOT griefing, yes I do know that fact. Killing newbies or people who don't want to fight back and repeatedly killing them "just 'cause i kan!!!" IS griefing and its not permitted in this game. "but u kan play in io sessionz!" Oh you say so! Why should people restrict themselves in IO lobbies because military/gangster wannabe's wanna show how large their e-peen? "passive mode!!1" Yay, that's a ni- *wannabe ran me over and now I'm dead* "but dis is geteay kil or b kiled go play da simz" GTA means car theft. Not killing. How about YOU go play Battlefield? Or is that game is too hard for you? You know what, I shouldn't be debating with the same person who's comparing a sandbox open world game to a f*cking FPS where's the entire point is killing people. Prove it... If it wasn't permitted there would be an automatic passive timer put on players when they re-spawned making it impossible to kill them immediately after spawning. Why should I restrict myself to deathmatches? Ya know what's funny? The griefers who are supposedly obsessed with an "e-peen" aren't ones talking about it all the time. Ah, last gen. I remember it well. Parking my tank on top of someone who was in passive mode. Current gen, passive mode is a legitimate strategy. Yes, "GTA" refers to the act of car theft, but it is simply the name of the franchise and encompasses more than that now, and killing players is a major factor. Nice ad hominem though, running out of material? I can answer that for you "yes" Using your own logic, since GTA means car theft, you don't do anything but steal cars right? Your argument is horrible. Edited July 14, 2015 by Setzaroth SRTTURBO4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ten-a-penny Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 For starters your whole post didn't made sense, or at least the "white" part. Why should I restrict myself to deathmatches? Ya know what's funny? The griefers who are supposedly obsessed with an "e-peen" aren't ones talking about it all the time. Tell me exactly where did I said "go f*ck urself n play dmz!". I simply stated I SHOULD NOT be forced to restrict myself in IO lobbies because you say so. Ah, last gen. I remember it well. Parking my tank on top of someone who was in passive mode. Current gen, passive mode is a legitimate strategy. Um. So? And that color nearly blinded me. Yes, "GTA" refers to the act of car theft, but it is simply the name of the franchise and encompasses more than that now, and killing players is a major factor. Nice ad hominem though, running out of material? I can answer that for you "yes" Using your own logic, since GTA means car theft, you don't do anything but steal cars right? Your argument is horrible. You do know I'm using your "dis iz gta not da simz lolf*ck off" logic right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We Are Ninja Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Because it's an obnoxious strategy, but well within the bounds of what is allowed. GTA is open world, so there is no "point" other than what you want to do. Killing people is allowed, and if it's what you want to do.. there's no basis for action to be taken against them. The reason (again) why griefing is an option to report someone for, is because griefing doesn't mean killing someone over and over. So you fully admit that griefing people is obnoxious, but defend your right to be obnoxious because "it's what you want to do". That's the reason griefers are hated so badly. Niobium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setzaroth Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Well you're trying.... but it doesn't work for your side of the debate. Get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ten-a-penny Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Well you're trying.... but it doesn't work for your side of the debate. Get it? What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setzaroth Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Because it's an obnoxious strategy, but well within the bounds of what is allowed. GTA is open world, so there is no "point" other than what you want to do. Killing people is allowed, and if it's what you want to do.. there's no basis for action to be taken against them. The reason (again) why griefing is an option to report someone for, is because griefing doesn't mean killing someone over and over. So you fully admit that griefing people is obnoxious, but defend your right to be obnoxious because "it's what you want to do". That's the reason griefers are hated so badly. I never said it wasn't. I've been on the receiving end of it many times. Now I just go into passive and they usually go on about their business. Jet's would circle around and continuously destroy me when I first started the game. It never crossed my mind once to report someone for playing the game. I remember the first time I got killed by a jet I didn't even know they were in the game, it actually made me jump because you can't REALLY hear them coming and the explosive rounds our of nowhere was jarring. But, now I'm pretty much an ace pilot and what goes around comes around. What I am against, is the idea that you should be able to report people for killing you over and over. Luckily, that's not what R* intended when they put in the "griefing" option in the report menu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ten-a-penny Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 The perfect solution for LatGen players(!). Oh wait..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setzaroth Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 The perfect solution for LatGen players(!). Oh wait..... Have some map awareness. I played on PS3 for the longest time and don't remember having that much of an issue with people killing me while I was in passive. Especially now with the kuruma and insurgent available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeakyLine Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Oh look- the griefing douche started a thread about how high and mighty he is, and when someone says something against it, he gets defensive. This=troll thread. Close, mods. Niobium, We Are Ninja and ten-a-penny 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ten-a-penny Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 The perfect solution for LatGen players(!). Oh wait..... Have some map awareness. I played on PS3 for the longest time and don't remember having that much of an issue with people killing me while I was in passive. Especially now with the kuruma and insurgent available. *goes off radar* Soooo much helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setzaroth Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 (edited) The perfect solution for LatGen players(!). Oh wait..... Have some map awareness. I played on PS3 for the longest time and don't remember having that much of an issue with people killing me while I was in passive. Especially now with the kuruma and insurgent available. *goes off radar* Soooo much helpful. Unless you're standing still in the middle of the road, that shouldn't be an issue. Edited July 14, 2015 by Setzaroth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ten-a-penny Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Dude tell me that you're trolling. Please. For me. That's the dumbest piece of sh*t I have ever seen. We Are Ninja 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptiCog Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Simple fact, griefers quite literally are little more than bullies by definition. For those who don't know what the definition of a bully is, it is a person who goes out of their way to intimidate or dominate those who are weaker than them simply because they can. Those who gain true enjoyment of it, to an extent, run the risk of becoming a sociopath. No, simply killing someone is definitely no griefing. It's part of the game; one of my more enjoyable moments was when this random killed me out of the blue so I hunted him down like I do to anyone who kills me for no reason. We both ran all over the map to kill and evade each other like a game of tag and had some insane moments that had both of us laughing. That's fun. What isn't fun is when someone truly is a griefer/bully (the words are literally the same thing). When someone comes up and kills you then does everything they can not to just kill but harass you then there's a problem with the griefer. I once had a group of three people working together solely to grief anyone in the lobby. They single out one person just to see how long it takes for the person to leave. These are the types of people who will spawn-kill you constantly, run over passives or blow them up as they speed by and constantly hunt the person. Some even follow into other games if they find the person amusing enough. If it is clear that the other person is not enjoying it and you are doing everything you can to ensure that their only means of enjoying their free time is to leave, then that certainly is harassment and can be considered bullying if it is clear that your victim is of a lower skill level or when you have numbers on your side. Another example of it is in Friendly Free Roam in Red Dead Redemption; the only thing that can kill you are AI attacks and environmental damage. An oversight caused the explosive rifle and dynamite to be able to kill. So people would go into Friendly Free Roam with an explosive rifle just to kill people in Gang Hideouts (where PvP auto-aim is disabled)... meaning most of the people they target literally couldn't fight back. This is what griefing is, which is also exactly what bullying is. Why don't people like griefers? Because griefers are bullies and bullies are often arrogant idiots that couldn't last in a fight against anyone that isn't clearly weaker. The only difference is a griefer is enough of too cowardly to harass people from beyond their computer screen. The most they'd do in real life would probably talk sh*t in their car and then pound the gas pedal the second you walk towards them. They're basically a more pathetic version of your average bully... So I guess the OP is right; griefers aren't bullies. Bullies actually have balls. GTA-Biker, ten-a-penny and We Are Ninja 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ten-a-penny Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Finally. Someone who actually have a damn brain inside their skull. THAT'S griefing my ladies and gentlemen. And THAT'S what we hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niobium Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 There's always that one guy who defends something so stupid. We Are Ninja 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiam Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 (edited) It's fun to play the victim card but for as long as GTA has been out, everyone has access to the Hydra, or, they are a high enough level to have the police turn a blind eye, and go grab a Lazer with 0 opposition from the God-Mode NPCs You clearly haven't been playing the game for a long time Edited July 14, 2015 by Billiam301 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHesling42 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Bully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigdyid Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Don't ever use the word bully to describe anything virtual ever again. Why not? Vitual/Cyber bullying is a real problem these days https://mobile.twitter.com/f*cktyler/status/285670822264307712?lang=enhttps://mobile.twitter.com/f*cktyler/status/285670344713445377 Seriously... I'm jobless at the moment. I have nothing to do other then spend an hour a day applying for jobs in my small town. But after seeing those two tweets I'm thinking of cyber bullying them for the next month untill their near suicidal, then retweeting those tweets back to them to see if they see the irony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHesling42 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Bully There, said again, and again. It is what it is. Killing the same player, over and over.. really? What's the fun? What's the challenge? Or is it that there is no challenge for you is why you like it? Bully. Man up and challege a player. Death match. Or, is that not fun for you when it's more on equal ground? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHesling42 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 And there are players, old gen, that cheat/hack/mod ect, god mode has been used on ps3. Passive mode? doesn't do much. There are bullys who still find a way to kill you in passive mode. Running over. Blowing up something that is near you.... And oooohhh .. a whopping $500 penalty.wow. Should make it $1 million... payable to the one got killed TRUSTING passave mode Death match man. Simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigdyid Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 I should say though that I really don't think of griefing on GTA (as in repeatedly killing or blowing peoples cars up etc...) as cyber bullying at all. It's part of the game and it's really easy to pause and click find new session and go to a place with people who won't do this. Grieifing can be annoying though. When I was like level 40 I had some level 200 guy in an Insurgent keep running me over, when ever I respawned he was coming at me real fast and I couldn't shoot him in time. Whenever I tried getting my phone out to go off radar or call for my mechanic to get me a car he'd just flatten me. I realised I had no chance of getting revenge and just left.. Simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptiCog Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Bully There, said again, and again. It is what it is. Killing the same player, over and over.. really? What's the fun? What's the challenge? Or is it that there is no challenge for you is why you like it? Bully. Man up and challege a player. Death match. Or, is that not fun for you when it's more on equal ground? The best way to tell if they're truly a coward is to send a one-on-one deathmatch invite. If they refuse and continue, then it's obvious they're too much of a coward to fight one-on-one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ten-a-penny Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 I should say though that I really don't think of griefing on GTA (as in repeatedly killing or blowing peoples cars up etc...) as cyber bullying at all. It's part of the game and it's really easy to pause and click find new session and go to a place with people who won't do this. Why should people switch sessions because a loser is ruining their fun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setzaroth Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 It's fun to play the victim card but for as long as GTA has been out, everyone has access to the Hydra, or, they are a high enough level to have the police turn a blind eye, and go grab a Lazer with 0 opposition from the God-Mode NPCs You clearly haven't been playing the game for a long time Long enough to know I'm right Simple fact, griefers quite literally are little more than bullies by definition. For those who don't know what the definition of a bully is, it is a person who goes out of their way to intimidate or dominate those who are weaker than them simply because they can. Those who gain true enjoyment of it, to an extent, run the risk of becoming a sociopath. [snipped snowflake drivel] You get intimidated by videogames? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kadajacs Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Why are you defending being able to ruin other peoples experience of the game. By doing that all you are saying is that you enjoy making others feel bad. You claim its your right to play how you want. How comes others are not allowed that right in your eyes. And for the last time we are not complaining about player killing. We are complaining about any action being performed, with the sole intention of giving another player a negative experience. They are different things entirely. You tell people to use passive if they don't like it, yet you openly admitted to killing passive players when you could. Proof from your own words that you are a griefer. That's why your hated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ten-a-penny Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Why are you defending being able to ruin other peoples experience of the game. By doing that all you are saying is that you enjoy making others feel bad. You claim its your right to play how you want. How comes others are not allowed that right in your eyes. And for the last time we are not complaining about player killing. We are complaining about any action being performed, with the sole intention of giving another player a negative experience. They are different things entirely. You tell people to use passive if they don't like it, yet you openly admitted to killing passive players when you could. Proof from your own words that you are a griefer. That's why your hated Don't waste your time. These idiots can't tell the difference between "passive player killing" AKA what we are fine with and "ruining people's fun" AKA griefing AKA what we're against. Idiots will stay idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setzaroth Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Why are you defending being able to ruin other peoples experience of the game. By doing that all you are saying is that you enjoy making others feel bad. You claim its your right to play how you want. How comes others are not allowed that right in your eyes. And for the last time we are not complaining about player killing. We are complaining about any action being performed, with the sole intention of giving another player a negative experience. They are different things entirely. You tell people to use passive if they don't like it, yet you openly admitted to killing passive players when you could. Proof from your own words that you are a griefer. That's why your hated Ya, on last gen over a year ago. Get over it. It happened to me as well. I didn't cry on the internet about it. I killed people a lot back in the day. When I first bought the tank... then I got bored with it. Stopped for a long time, but then heists and the Hydra came out, but I don't camp single people, I just run around the map and shoot at whoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setzaroth Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Bully There, said again, and again. It is what it is. Killing the same player, over and over.. really? What's the fun? What's the challenge? Or is it that there is no challenge for you is why you like it? Bully. Man up and challege a player. Death match. Or, is that not fun for you when it's more on equal ground? The best way to tell if they're truly a coward is to send a one-on-one deathmatch invite. If they refuse and continue, then it's obvious they're too much of a coward to fight one-on-one. Or they don't like playing in a limited arena with small arms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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