Am I the only one who thinks R* should redesign the Hydra?

[thegtaguy123756]

 

 

They had to keep in check with it's supposed 40-year old tech. In '75 there were no rear thrust vectoring capabilities.

 

It wouldn't make sense to try to modernize an aircraft that is supposed to be 40 years old in it's design. Imo, anyway.

This statement make no f*cking sense....

To the likes of you, probably not. Now either contribute or GTFO.

 

Trolling again sema j like you did in my thread? What a mug mate

[MajorVienna]

It should have had a single tail.

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

ehm....i cant be bothered to realy think about the specifics youre talking about but....i do not think its worth to change the hydra, not on handling, not on astetics and sertainly not when talking about buffing the performance up

[Semaj 2JZ♢]

 

 

 

They had to keep in check with it's supposed 40-year old tech. In '75 there were no rear thrust vectoring capabilities.

 

It wouldn't make sense to try to modernize an aircraft that is supposed to be 40 years old in it's design. Imo, anyway.

This statement make no f*cking sense....

To the likes of you, probably not. Now either contribute or GTFO.

Trolling again sema j like you did in my thread? What a mug mate

How is what I said trolling? Exactly? The person who quoted DID NOT CONTRIBUTE to the topic at hand. Just a wiseass retort from someone who obviously "doesn't get it".

 

Ya'll need to learn what actual trolling is...smh.

[Sentinel Actual]

R* really f*cked up with the hydra. The transition from hover to flight is atrocious. For whatever reason it makes the plane start to plummet to the ground. Really big f*ck up with the handling of the Hydra. The OP probably understands aviation and flight better than the dumbsh*t that coded this waste of money.

 

I like to think I do, I certainly do my fair share of flying. With basic physics, the plane should glide when not under throttle. It shouldn't plummet to the ground like a stone. If it does, the plane AFAIK is aerodynamically unsound.

Nope, you're not the only one. I think the rear of the Hydra just seems off and the fact that it still generates thrust when you switch into VTOL mode is unacceptable, I paid 3 million for the thing and it can barely do what it's supposed to do without horrible side effects, it practically enters ragdoll mode for at least 5 seconds before you gain control.

 

Who knows, maybe they'll fix it, I just hope they buff the Savages armor first, that sh*t's made of paper at the moment. On another note we might, in the future, hopefully, get another VTOL jet. I just hope they model it as a mix of the Yak-130 and Yak-141, and also level lock it to 200 and above.

 

The Yak VTOLs are beautiful machines, shame the 141 was mothballed. It functioned like the F-35, its engine would swivel downwards and a lift fan up front would open and provide thrust from that end. IIRC, I think I read somewhere that Lockheed actually purchased design blueprints or specs of some kind for the 141, and used that as a test bed/design inspiration for the F-35.

[SkylineGTRFreak]

Nope, you're not the only one. I think the rear of the Hydra just seems off and the fact that it still generates thrust when you switch into VTOL mode is unacceptable, I paid 3 million for the thing and it can barely do what it's supposed to do without horrible side effects, it practically enters ragdoll mode for at least 5 seconds before you gain control.

 

Who knows, maybe they'll fix it, I just hope they buff the Savages armor first, that sh*t's made of paper at the moment. On another note we might, in the future, hopefully, get another VTOL jet. I just hope they model it as a mix of the Yak-130 and Yak-141, and also level lock it to 200 and above.

 

 

eeeeh what? You can't expect a plane to become stationary instantly when switching to VTOL. If you would do that in an F-35B or AV-8B the plane would also remain it's momentum and fly straight for some time before gaining full VTOL capabilities

[BigJoe_1]

 

Nope, you're not the only one. I think the rear of the Hydra just seems off and the fact that it still generates thrust when you switch into VTOL mode is unacceptable, I paid 3 million for the thing and it can barely do what it's supposed to do without horrible side effects, it practically enters ragdoll mode for at least 5 seconds before you gain control.

 

Who knows, maybe they'll fix it, I just hope they buff the Savages armor first, that sh*t's made of paper at the moment. On another note we might, in the future, hopefully, get another VTOL jet. I just hope they model it as a mix of the Yak-130 and Yak-141, and also level lock it to 200 and above.

eeeeh what? You can't expect a plane to become stationary instantly when switching to VTOL. If you would do that in an F-35B or AV-8B the plane would also remain it's momentum and fly straight for some time before gaining full VTOL capabilities

Not once did I use the word instantly in my post. I was saying is that it takes too long to change to Hover mode from flight mode, even when changing when the afterburner is not burning any fuel. Whenever I switch modes it always feels like the big engine (which it doesn't exactly need) is still active when it really shouldn't be.

 

I hate to be the guy to say this but this is one reason why the SA variant of the Hydra is superior. As you can see the SA variant has no afterburner which means (at least to me) the transition between modes is likely to be easier, while the V version has an engine like the F-35B which it really doesn't need seeing as it already has these, which, again, to me makes the transition take longer since there will be more force pushing the aircraft than there would be if it didn't have an engine like the F-35B.

 

Sorry in advance if my knowledge of physics is wrong here, jets and aircraft are not my specialty. BTW the second photo isn't mine it's off of google images.

Edited July 15, 2015 by BigJoe_1

[Gridl0k]

They should get rid of the pointy thing on the front, you can't stab people with it and it's always getting stuck on stuff and causing unintentional VTOL front flips.

[Nutduster]

R* really f*cked up with the hydra. The transition from hover to flight is atrocious. For whatever reason it makes the plane start to plummet to the ground. Really big f*ck up with the handling of the Hydra. The OP probably understands aviation and flight better than the dumbsh*t that coded this waste of money.

 

"Waste of money"

 

it's the most powerful vehicle in the game that you can own. It'd be worth twice as much.

[Gridl0k]

If you want to transition to a static hover from full speed forward flight, simply dive straight at wherever you want to end up and switch to hover mode (early enough to not die horribly). I call it the Spidey Drop, works very well against bounties hiding in car parks... Plus the homo launcher doesn't aim straight up.

[cipher656]

It's hard to feign interest on such a dull subject

[DrRockso26]

R* really f*cked up with the hydra. The transition from hover to flight is atrocious. For whatever reason it makes the plane start to plummet to the ground. Really big f*ck up with the handling of the Hydra. The OP probably understands aviation and flight better than the dumbsh*t that coded this waste of money.

i never have problems transitioning, sounds like you just need more air speed before hitting R.on the D pad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4eVIstK-_c

[SkylineGTRFreak]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nope, you're not the only one. I think the rear of the Hydra just seems off and the fact that it still generates thrust when you switch into VTOL mode is unacceptable, I paid 3 million for the thing and it can barely do what it's supposed to do without horrible side effects, it practically enters ragdoll mode for at least 5 seconds before you gain control.

 

Who knows, maybe they'll fix it, I just hope they buff the Savages armor first, that sh*t's made of paper at the moment. On another note we might, in the future, hopefully, get another VTOL jet. I just hope they model it as a mix of the Yak-130 and Yak-141, and also level lock it to 200 and above.

eeeeh what? You can't expect a plane to become stationary instantly when switching to VTOL. If you would do that in an F-35B or AV-8B the plane would also remain it's momentum and fly straight for some time before gaining full VTOL capabilities

Not once did I use the word instantly in my post. I was saying is that it takes too long to change to Hover mode from flight mode, even when changing when the afterburner is not burning any fuel. Whenever I switch modes it always feels like the big engine (which it doesn't exactly need) is still active when it really shouldn't be.

 

I hate to be the guy to say this but this is one reason why the SA variant of the Hydra is superior. As you can see the SA variant has no afterburner which means (at least to me) the transition between modes is likely to be easier, while the V version has an engine like the F-35B which it really doesn't need seeing as it already has these, which, again, to me makes the transition take longer since there will be more force pushing the aircraft than there would be if it didn't have an engine like the F-35B.

 

Sorry in advance if my knowledge of physics is wrong here, jets and aircraft are not my specialty. BTW the second photo isn't mine it's off of google images.

 

 

"it practically enters ragdoll mode for at least 5 seconds before you gain control"

 

Took this sentence as base for my post. Because well, 5 seconds aren't that much to begin with.

 

Tbh I doubt that the flight mechanics would be any different if it didn't have the F-16 like engine. It woudl behave the same, I'm pretty sure of it.

[Smooth Longsack]

A department of defense stipulation for carrier based aircraft is that they have twin engines for redundancy.

[Dirty Hairy]

This games, driving mechanics are already arcadey. Why the hell would the flight mechanics be any different? Most people will never notice and frankly wont give a sh*t about the realism. I doubt it would be changed just to appeal to the simulator enthusiasts.

[Big_Boy_Bmw760Li]

f*ck the Hyrda, where the hell is the legendary CONCORDE? If you do not know this jet, check it out online...you can thank me later...

[Sean O'God]

^Yep, anything that doesn't interest you can f*ck right off, right? Besides, I'd would rather have the better version, the Tu-144.

 

 

I never noticed these faults until you pointed them out, OP, but what what you're saying is definitely a concern. Idk, to me it seems the vehicle design in GTA V in general has gotten lazy.

Edited July 15, 2015 by Twin Turbo

[BigJoe_1]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nope, you're not the only one. I think the rear of the Hydra just seems off and the fact that it still generates thrust when you switch into VTOL mode is unacceptable, I paid 3 million for the thing and it can barely do what it's supposed to do without horrible side effects, it practically enters ragdoll mode for at least 5 seconds before you gain control.

 

Who knows, maybe they'll fix it, I just hope they buff the Savages armor first, that sh*t's made of paper at the moment. On another note we might, in the future, hopefully, get another VTOL jet. I just hope they model it as a mix of the Yak-130 and Yak-141, and also level lock it to 200 and above.

eeeeh what? You can't expect a plane to become stationary instantly when switching to VTOL. If you would do that in an F-35B or AV-8B the plane would also remain it's momentum and fly straight for some time before gaining full VTOL capabilities

Not once did I use the word instantly in my post. I was saying is that it takes too long to change to Hover mode from flight mode, even when changing when the afterburner is not burning any fuel. Whenever I switch modes it always feels like the big engine (which it doesn't exactly need) is still active when it really shouldn't be.

 

I hate to be the guy to say this but this is one reason why the SA variant of the Hydra is superior. As you can see the SA variant has no afterburner which means (at least to me) the transition between modes is likely to be easier, while the V version has an engine like the F-35B which it really doesn't need seeing as it already has these, which, again, to me makes the transition take longer since there will be more force pushing the aircraft than there would be if it didn't have an engine like the F-35B.

 

Sorry in advance if my knowledge of physics is wrong here, jets and aircraft are not my specialty. BTW the second photo isn't mine it's off of google images.

 

 

"it practically enters ragdoll mode for at least 5 seconds before you gain control"

 

Took this sentence as base for my post. Because well, 5 seconds aren't that much to begin with.

 

Tbh I doubt that the flight mechanics would be any different if it didn't have the F-16 like engine. It woudl behave the same, I'm pretty sure of it.

Fair enough. Like I said though, I'm not exactly an expert when it comes to jets and aircraft.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if it did behave the same though. Knowing R* and their programming abilities they would probably struggle to implement such physics.

[Crunch McThornbody]

The Lazer has one clear advantage over the Hydra, going vertical, not the VTOL part, the normal jet part, the Hydra stalls if you try to go straight up.

[NightTrainCaine]

I'd prefer one in jet black, no pun intended.

[Mattoropael]

I'd prefer one in jet black, no pun intended.

 

I'd die for a darker shade of gray.

 

[A Maned Wolf]

f*ck the Hyrda, where the hell is the legendary CONCORDE? If you do not know this jet, check it out online...you can thank me later...

There's no point.

Map isn't large enough, nor a runway long enough cept for one.

[ShiviSRT-10]

You're right and i hope they would do something about it, but i doubt it :L the drop during the transition is not a bug, but a design flaw as stated by the OP, where the plane is not going fast enough for the tiny wings to generate enough lift when you take off in VTOL mode

The cutouts are annoying and the design also, but it is still the fastest, most powerful and versatile pegasus vehicle, so i can't complain :L

[Sentinel Actual]

 

Nope, you're not the only one. I think the rear of the Hydra just seems off and the fact that it still generates thrust when you switch into VTOL mode is unacceptable, I paid 3 million for the thing and it can barely do what it's supposed to do without horrible side effects, it practically enters ragdoll mode for at least 5 seconds before you gain control.

 

Who knows, maybe they'll fix it, I just hope they buff the Savages armor first, that sh*t's made of paper at the moment. On another note we might, in the future, hopefully, get another VTOL jet. I just hope they model it as a mix of the Yak-130 and Yak-141, and also level lock it to 200 and above.

 

 

eeeeh what? You can't expect a plane to become stationary instantly when switching to VTOL. If you would do that in an F-35B or AV-8B the plane would also remain it's momentum and fly straight for some time before gaining full VTOL capabilities

 

 

Very true, but the problem is the Hydra keeps moving forward even when the stick is pulled back in hover mode, because that jet engine afterburner is still "active" and pushes the plane along. In addition, since it has no airbrakes, slowing the plane down in flight mode causes the engine to shut off, and switching to hover mode will not restart the engine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nope, you're not the only one. I think the rear of the Hydra just seems off and the fact that it still generates thrust when you switch into VTOL mode is unacceptable, I paid 3 million for the thing and it can barely do what it's supposed to do without horrible side effects, it practically enters ragdoll mode for at least 5 seconds before you gain control.

 

Who knows, maybe they'll fix it, I just hope they buff the Savages armor first, that sh*t's made of paper at the moment. On another note we might, in the future, hopefully, get another VTOL jet. I just hope they model it as a mix of the Yak-130 and Yak-141, and also level lock it to 200 and above.

eeeeh what? You can't expect a plane to become stationary instantly when switching to VTOL. If you would do that in an F-35B or AV-8B the plane would also remain it's momentum and fly straight for some time before gaining full VTOL capabilities

Not once did I use the word instantly in my post. I was saying is that it takes too long to change to Hover mode from flight mode, even when changing when the afterburner is not burning any fuel. Whenever I switch modes it always feels like the big engine (which it doesn't exactly need) is still active when it really shouldn't be.

 

I hate to be the guy to say this but this is one reason why the SA variant of the Hydra is superior. As you can see the SA variant has no afterburner which means (at least to me) the transition between modes is likely to be easier, while the V version has an engine like the F-35B which it really doesn't need seeing as it already has these, which, again, to me makes the transition take longer since there will be more force pushing the aircraft than there would be if it didn't have an engine like the F-35B.

 

Sorry in advance if my knowledge of physics is wrong here, jets and aircraft are not my specialty. BTW the second photo isn't mine it's off of google images.

 

 

"it practically enters ragdoll mode for at least 5 seconds before you gain control"

 

Took this sentence as base for my post. Because well, 5 seconds aren't that much to begin with.

 

Tbh I doubt that the flight mechanics would be any different if it didn't have the F-16 like engine. It woudl behave the same, I'm pretty sure of it.

 

 

IRL, such a design would cause higher fuel consumption, since the afterburner AND nozzles are both supplying rearward thrust (thats the case ingame, the nozzles are shown to be active in both modes), and would make landing tricky since the afterburner is still active and would provide thrust, causing the aircraft to overshoot its landing target. Also, the landing gear would need to be a little farther back, right now the center wheels are too far forward, so the aircraft risks hitting its tail boom and bottom of the rear fuselage on the ground.

[gorskiegangsta]

If the devs were concerned enough to redesign the Hydra, they may as well just create a completely new VTOL capable jet based on a Navy F-35, or go all out and do an F-22 Raptor with VTOL.

[Sentinel Actual]

^Yep, anything that doesn't interest you can f*ck right off, right? Besides, I'd would rather have the better version, the Tu-144.

 

 

I never noticed these faults until you pointed them out, OP, but what what you're saying is definitely a concern. Idk, to me it seems the vehicle design in GTA V in general has gotten lazy.

 

It has, especially for planes. None of the planes except for the Titan have fully enclosed landing gear (the landing gear when retracted is not covered with panels, the wheels are still exposed to the air), the Hydra is...well an abomination from the rear, the Mi-24 Hind Savage is piloted from the wrong seat, is missing a strike guard on its tail boom, has weird doors, no covers on its intakes, and has the wrong cannon and Hydra 70 missile pods. I don't know why stuff like this happens, usually R* is good about making believable vehicles.

[gorskiegangsta]

f*ck the Hyrda, where the hell is the legendary CONCORDE? If you do not know this jet, check it out online...you can thank me later...

Concorde in GTA would be as useless and impractical as it was IRL.

[Daemian]

I wouldn't mind a redesign, it does make sense and while we're at it change colors on the hydra and lazer, that gray doesn't look good.

[CaptainMental]

A huge difference between the Lazer and the Hydra is that the Lazers engine dies after 5 src if not given gas while the hydras dont.

[SkylineGTRFreak]

IRL, such a design would cause higher fuel consumption, since the afterburner AND nozzles are both supplying rearward thrust (thats the case ingame, the nozzles are shown to be active in both modes), and would make landing tricky since the afterburner is still active and would provide thrust, causing the aircraft to overshoot its landing target. Also, the landing gear would need to be a little farther back, right now the center wheels are too far forward, so the aircraft risks hitting its tail boom and bottom of the rear fuselage on the ground.

 

 

I was referring to the plane ingame, when I meant it would behave the same, no matter if rearward engine or not Should've stated that more precisely I guess