Official General Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Because a lot of kids think Trevor is bad ass but he's a psycho by numbers. Niko is boring AF, but I think, if the two were real, Niko would have the edge. Unless Trevor napalmed LC. This I don't know who thinks what the OP stated, but I certainly never had that opinion. Trevor got made into burnt toast by Franklin, I mean how can this question even be asked ? (not that Franklin is a pushover mind you). Fuzzknuckles 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzknuckles Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Unless Trevor napalmed LC. One problem, he was kicked out. Because nothing keeps a psycho out of a city like saying 'you're not allowed to come here'. Niko is one of the most iconic video game protags of all time, whereas Trevor is f*cking clown shoes. As forgettable as he is memorable. Official General 1 Signatures are dumb anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zodape Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) R* never said special habilities are non canon, and since they are in the game and they exist in the GTA universe, we can assume they are canon unless the developer/publisher declares them non canon. Therefore Trevor has the edge, since Niko lacks a special hability. Keyword "edge". It's entirely situational, really. In a fair fight, not only Trevor has temporal invincibility, but he also has a much wider and better arsenal of weapons with him. So yeah, uncle T has the edge for me. Edited July 12, 2015 by Zodape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UshaB Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Let's give Trevor the special ability as canon. Put a person who is more a powerful puncher than you yet slower, who is more resilient to pain and has basic fighting techniques and who is angry against a person who is faster than you, more agile than you and has a variety of techniques and has great defense. The second person would win without a doubt. I know this for a fact as I spar with many people that come across with the features of person 1. I can counter those people because they're slower than me also because they have sloppy techniques. I don't fight these kind of people all the time, the hardest are people that are quicker than me and have better defense and I do get beat up by those guys. It is known in the martial arts/mma/boxing world, if you have sloppy techniques then you're pretty much gonna feel a lot of pain in the ring. Homicidal Hipster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evoluon--720 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Trevor would win hands down in hand and gun combat He's more assertive and aggressive as Niko is defensive and calculative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UshaB Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) Niko would win hands down in hand to hand combat As aggression with a lot of power yet slow with no technique has no edge in fighting whatsoever as seen in every mma fight, every boxing fight, every martial arts fight ever. To further prove my point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjFp1R5klo4 Which ultimately shows having no technique and more power does not help in a fighting situation against a person who has more diverse techniques. In gun combat however it is more tricky to know. But as we know from the, "Prologue" Trevor is a good aim as he head-shot's the security guard holding Michael. However, as shown in, "Hostile Negotiation" Niko head-shots a goon holding Roman at a further distance. This is tricky. That's a nice response. To further prove your point about H2H combat. Edited July 12, 2015 by UshaB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperGTFan Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) It looks like Trevor is nothing without the Rage mode. Edited July 12, 2015 by SuperGTFan UshaB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UshaB Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Rage mode means nothing. I've sparred with and won against guys which get psyched up to fight. Some others I just body shot and they get pissed off and forget to use their technique so I take them down and beat them. These are the easy people to fight, the hardest are the peeps with the fast hands and have great defense with more techniques, those are the guys that make me bleed, and it does hurt. Rage means nothing without technique in the MMA, Martial Arts and Boxing World. Homicidal Hipster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimeball supreme Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 It looks like Trevor is nothing without the Rage mode. It's sad to know the only real way anyone thinks Trevor could win is some bullsh*t game mechanic made up entirely for gameplay purposes.IF HE HAS SUPERPOWERS HE SHOULD GET UP AND KILL MICHAEL AND FRANKLIN WHEN HES BURNING ALIVE Euri DR, The Dedito Gae and UshaB 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillBellic Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 The fact that Niko doesn't need Silly Gimmicks like Rage Mode tells me what I need to know. Niko is the better fighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non Biased GTA 4 fan Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 because I said so and what I say goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyGator Posted July 12, 2015 Author Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) R* never said special habilities are non canon, and since they are in the game and they exist in the GTA universe, we can assume they are canon unless the developer/publisher declares them non canon. If Trevor's special ability was canon, I'm pretty sure he would have used it in ending A to recover from those burning flames. I guess floating, rotating parachutes and body armor are canon too. Funny how I've never seen either in the canon cutscenes of the games throughout the entirety of the series. Edited July 12, 2015 by LazyGator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zodape Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 R* never said special habilities are non canon, and since they are in the game and they exist in the GTA universe, we can assume they are canon unless the developer/publisher declares them non canon. If Trevor's special ability was canon, I'm pretty sure he would have used it in ending A to recover from those burning flames. I guess floating, rotating parachutes and body armor are canon too. Funny how I've never seen either in the canon cutscenes of the games throughout the entirety of the series. Other game developers decide to punish the player for doing X thing that would be out of character or simply not include an "unfitting" feature at all. GTA doesn't do any of that. If it seems too ridiculous for you then blame the writers I guess. Also, plot armour is still a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UshaB Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) Taking Trevor's Special Ability into account as canon. The only thing that will determine Trevor with his rage mode is how many punches it will take Niko to bring him down. That's the only thing about his rage mode. This means it will just take Niko more punches to take him down, that is all it is. Edited July 12, 2015 by UshaB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyGator Posted July 12, 2015 Author Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) I don't know who thinks what the OP stated... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As much as I love Niko, I don't want him to return. I don't want R* to destroy his character like they did to Johnny. No and no. After seeing what R* did to Johnny in V, I'd rather have Niko not showing up in GTA V. What really bugs me is when people go " oh Niko could destroy everyone in LS because he was in the army and survived war and bleh bleh bleh". IT DOESN'T MATTER. Rockstar can bullsh*t his character just like they did with Johnny. So no, I'd rather not have Niko appear in any future gta's. You do now. (Just to name a few.) I get the fear for Niko's return, due to Rockstar d!cking Johnny's fanbase in the ass in V, but, in all honesty, how would Rockstar execute such a move (Trevor killing Niko, for clarity) in a convincing fashion? To say that they would allow Trevor to kill Niko, should the latter return, is like saying they're retarded enough to let a meth'd out redneck beat a goddamn war-hardened Serbian. I've yet to see a viable scenario where Trevor even survives yelling at Niko without losing a few of his teeth. Rockstar may be dumb, they may be stupid, and they may be absolute sh!t at multiplayer programming and maintenance, but they're not f*cking retarded. Edited July 12, 2015 by LazyGator Kampret 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperGTFan Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 A state would be leveled, thousands of people would die, and they would both stagger away after an ambiguous or depressing ending after a great game, and go play multiplayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zodape Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) Taking Trevor's Special Ability into account as canon. The only thing that will determine Trevor with his rage mode is how many punches it will take Niko to bring him down. That's the only thing about his rage mode. This means it will just take Niko more punches to take him down, that is all it is. I agree that T would rely 99% on his special hability to win (not like it's a bad thing. If you got something that might give you the edge, why not use it?), and I agree that Niko is a better hand to hand fighter. However, I think you forgot that Trevor doesn't flinch when enraged. I just tested it actually and the dude was just standing there like nothing being a fist sponge. Niko might know where to land his punches and stuff, but is he trained to face someone who doesn't even flinch or could even get slown down? Again, this is just speculation and it really comes down to whoever would be favoured by the plot (which is why I personally find the gameplay to be a better way to measure this type of things, since cutscenes just break all the rules and force the plot down your throat). In a nutshell: Trevor would win in gameplay. The one wearing plot armour would win in a cutscene. All of this in my humble opinion, of course. Edited July 12, 2015 by Zodape UshaB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamesBoy316 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) Niko would make Trevor his bitch if the two were to go in a fight. Remember that Niko was actually in the military, Trevor was just in the air force, nothing else. Edited July 12, 2015 by GamesBoy316 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 How can anyone doubt Niko would wreck Tranny boy without so much as raising a sweat? Euri DR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamesBoy316 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 How can anyone doubt Niko would wreck Tranny boy without so much as raising a sweat? Because some people never played the older GTA games, sadly. They're missing out on great protagonists like CJ and Tommy. Some people automatically assume Trevor would win without even knowing the rest of the GTA protagonists. Algonquin Assassin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UshaB Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 No military background pls, Ronda Rousey could beat up any Navy Seal, ASIS, SAS member. I understand about Trevor doesn't flinch, the problem he has is speed. He's not fast enough to hit Niko. Niko would counter. As someone described Floyd Mayweather (I hate this fighter), "You can't beat him if you can't hit him". Being able to not flinch is good but being able to hit your opponent is sooo much better. El Zodape 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thafablifee46 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Ok so even if trevor rage mode is canon , it only last what 10 seconds ? Once its run out , hes f*cked. I imagine niko would dance around him until hes all tired out and hit him with some chuck norris combo. Euri DR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Officer Ronson Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Well considering that Trevor can throw people off bridges and one hit K.O anyone with a head butt I'm kinda leaning more towards him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnits Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Trevor with GTA V mechanics, Michael with V mechanics, Franklin with- anyone with V mechanics will slaughter any and every past protagonist simply because V is an updated, easier game than past titles. People only take that in mind, but i don't think it makes sense to do that. I like to take a character's background info and personality as a way to determine who's the better fighter. What their game allows them to do, or what their story says they did, doesn't really matter to me, considering Rockstar can make a homeless guy with no legs into doing the craziest things, killing the entire world, with no character development at all, and he'll be the best protagonist just because. However, if people like Trevor more and think his background makes him better than Niko, so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-B Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) If you just dropped them in an empty room, Niko hands down. His military training takes it. In a real fight in a not so sterile environment, it could go either way. Trevor's sheer volume of fights over the years, willingness to do anything, and general mental hardness would help overcome the technical skill gap. Edited July 12, 2015 by J-B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oCrapaCreeper Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) Because of Trevs special ability.. how can someone beat Trevor when he can become invincible. but if Trev gets to use his special ability then Niko gets to use his magic phone. Invincibilty and other special abilities are non canon. Hard to tell, because Lamar acknowledges Franklin's special ability and his "special driving sh*t". If they are canon they exist in the form that the characters are simply very good at certain things. Micheal doesn't actually slow down time when shooting but he is still the best shot. Trevor also doesn't slightly slow down time and can't take tank shells to the face but he is still very strong. However you can then mention the fact that Trevor canonically singlehandedly fought the U.S Army and won, which is when gameplay vs. canon can start to become a mess. If we do assume special abilities canonically exist as they do in gameplay, clearly Trevor would win with invincibly and insta-kill punches that go through armor, and bullets that cause pools of blood to come out of people. Realistically though Niko might win, though Trevor would probably put up a decent fight. Ok so even if trevor rage mode is canon , it only last what 10 seconds ? Once its run out , hes f*cked. I imagine niko would dance around him until hes all tired out and hit him with some chuck norris combo. Special Abilities can last up to 30 seconds if the stat is maxed out. Edited July 12, 2015 by oCrapaCreeper maniac_pa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UshaB Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 If we do assume special abilities canonically exist as they do in gameplay, clearly Trevor would win with invincibly and insta-kill punches that go through armor, and bullets that cause pools of blood to come out of people. Trevor is like a tank, very very durable. His shots are lethal blows and/ or even knockouts but he is slow to reload. Niko and Luis are like adder's with 100% armour and with a minigun on top. They have great conditioning, they are very agile, very fast. They punch fast however, their shots may take longer to take down a tank. But they can maneuver all over it without getting hit and as a result the tank goes down with a lot of bullet holes. Trevor has the potential to beat both Luis and Niko up. He has like Mike Tyson knockout power, but one thing he doesn't have like Mike Tyson is his speed. Trevor is a slow puncher and makes it easy for Niko or Luis to parry/counter Trevor and beat him. Trevor may have the more durability but a tank can go down with enough bullet holes. And as someone described Floyd Mayweather (I absolutely hate this fighter), "You can't beat him if you can't hit him". Niko and Luis are agile, skillful and fast and also have great conditioning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oCrapaCreeper Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) If we do assume special abilities canonically exist as they do in gameplay, clearly Trevor would win with invincibly and insta-kill punches that go through armor, and bullets that cause pools of blood to come out of people. Trevor is like a tank, very very durable. His shots are lethal blows and/ or even knockouts but he is slow to reload. Niko and Luis are like adder's with 100% armour and with a minigun on top. They have great conditioning, they are very agile, very fast. They punch fast however, their shots may take longer to take down a tank. But they can maneuver all over it without getting hit and as a result the tank goes down with a lot of bullet holes. Trevor has the potential to beat both Luis and Niko up. He has like Mike Tyson knockout power, but one thing he doesn't have like Mike Tyson is his speed. Trevor is a slow puncher and makes it easy for Niko or Luis to parry/counter Trevor and beat him. Trevor may have the more durability but a tank can go down with enough bullet holes. And as someone described Floyd Mayweather (I absolutely hate this fighter), "You can't beat him if you can't hit him". Niko and Luis are agile, skillful and fast and also have great conditioning. Gameplay speaking, Trevor's bullets deal double damage during his ability and wouldn't necessary need to knockout up close to kill if he had a gun. But realistically speaking he could be out maneuvered in melee. Edited July 12, 2015 by oCrapaCreeper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UshaB Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 I'm talking h2h combat. Gameplay speaking, Trevor would lose. I'm not sure how it would go down in gun combat, both are good shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyGator Posted July 12, 2015 Author Share Posted July 12, 2015 I'm talking h2h combat. Gameplay speaking, Trevor would lose. I'm not sure how it would go down in gun combat, both are good shots. I'd put my money on the Bosnian War vet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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