Is the Progen T20 worth its price?

[Defender1904]

I was wondering if I could get some insight whether or not you would recommend buying the T20? Would a better choice be the Osiris?

Edited July 11, 2015 by Defender1904

[GamesBoy316]

I can't say too much, since I didn't purchase it myself, but by the looks of it, it looks like a good car. Now if you can barely afford it, don't buy it, because you don't want to be really poor after buying it, that wouldn't be good.

[Maya Echo Visari]

I've been driving the T20 so much I forgot I even bought the Osiris.

[Kaiju Blue]

Ive just stopped driving the Osiris entirely after buying the T20. It's one beast of a machine. Perfect handling, ridiculous speed and drop dead gorgeous looks. Get it. It's especially worth it thanks to the rebate.

[Shabazz916]

yes... its uncatchable if u have driving skills like i do

[hornedturtle]

yes... its uncatchable if u have driving skills like i do

So...your driving is highly unpredictable?

 

Yes it is worth the price tag.

[Dagger311]

Yep, sold my Osiris and never looked back.

[Arachne]

All the cars prices since the heist update have been waaay too "unfair"

 

Osiris should be at least 750,000

T20 should be 975,000

 

But why do we bother about those cars,when we have this?

(Zentorno)

 

I mean,why pay for an T20,when you can have this BEAST! it's cheap and almost has superior features!

Edited July 11, 2015 by Arachne

[bixlas13]

Osiris should be at least 750,000

T20 should be 975,000

 

But why do we bother about those cars,when we have this?

 

 

I mean,why pay for an T20,when you have zentorno?? it's cheap and almost has superior features!

Someone that gets it!

Three times lower price with the same performance and much more fun to drive without ridiculous amounts of understeer like the Osiris and the T20.

Edited July 11, 2015 by bixlas13

[Defender1904]

 

Osiris should be at least 750,000

T20 should be 975,000

 

But why do we bother about those cars,when we have this?

 

 

I mean,why pay for an T20,when you have zentorno?? it's cheap and almost has superior features!

Someone that gets it!

Three times lower price with the same performance and much more fun to drive without ridiculous amounts of understeer like the Osiris and the T20.

Although it performs like a beast, I think it's over used and I've gotten really bored of mine now...

P.S: Thanks for the responses!

Edited July 11, 2015 by Defender1904

[STEEZYR]

Zentorno >

[kalle55]

I would say it's worth the price. I drove it around in a couple of races yesterday, i hate the looks but it is soooo good when taking a swing. But a car that cost the same as Adder + Zentorno and maybe a supercar more, then it's a hard choice.

[JimmyFantastic]

Not on old gen heh.

[lebongjames187]

I was wondering if I could get some insight whether or not you would recommend buying the T20? Would a better choice be the Osiris?

Not a fan of the Osiris but I really like the T20, Handles incredibly well. I rarely spin out or fish tail because of the way it easily recovers and corrects it self.

 

I usually buy a car offline first, see if I really like it or not

[Claptrap NL]

The expensive cars are only worth their money if you use it often. Otherwise don't get it.

[smartergaming]

The T20 will out accelerate every car in the game ... well past the one mile mark... The only place it loses the other cars is on very long top end runs with sweeping curves, where the Adder still has more top speed and the Osiris will come in second, T20 third. There are also a couple of races where the Turismo R will still beat everything due to its superior handling and brakes ... But overall the T20 is the best all around car. Be prepared to pay 2.2 mil for the car (R* is doing a 25% rebate, if you are a SC member, subscribe to the email list and are in a crew, but only on your first Legendary purchase from the 8th thru 15th)... you will spend another $500,000 to fully upgrade and customize it... if you qualify for the rebate on it... you get $550,000 back on July 19th. Beware of the insurance costs, it is $27,500 if you destroy it.

 

At this point in the game there is absolutly no reason to EVER buy a Zentorno... they have always been ... almost as good as... but have never been the best at anything... there is a serious need for a 12 step program for Zentorno addicts, so they can break the habit of claiming how wonderful it is to be in love with the "beast" maybe because it is the ugliest, lacks top speed, lacks acceleration, almost handles good, almost has good brakes, almost can ... whatever ... car in the game... ???

 

The T20 is a better buy than the Osiris ... but still very expensive.

Edited July 11, 2015 by smartergaming

[evGTA]

YES! It's now my go-to vehicle. It's fast, the acceleration is great! Also the automatic spoiler is amazing! Replaced my Osiris and haven't regretted it since.

[bixlas13]

The T20 will out accelerate every car in the game ... well past the one mile mark... The only place it loses the other cars is on very long top end runs with sweeping curves, where the Adder still has more top speed and the Osiris will come in second, T20 third. There are also a couple of races where the Turismo R will still beat everything due to its superior handling and brakes ... But overall the T20 is the best all around car. Be prepared to pay 2.2 mil for the car (R* is doing a 25% rebate, if you are a SC member, subscribe to the email list and are in a crew, but only on your first Legendary purchase from the 8th thru 15th)... you will spend another $500,000 to fully upgrade and customize it... if you qualify for the rebate on it... you get $550,000 back on July 19th. Beware of the insurance costs, it is $27,500 if you destroy it.

 

At this point in the game there is absolutly no reason to EVER buy a Zentorno... they have always been ... almost as good as... but have never been the best at anything... there is a serious need for a 12 step program for Zentorno addicts, so they can break the habit of claiming how wonderful it is to be in love with the "beast" maybe because it is the ugliest, lacks top speed, lacks acceleration, almost handles good, almost has good brakes, almost can ... whatever ... car in the game... ???

 

The T20 is a better buy than the Osiris ... but still very expensive.

It is so clear that you have no idea about cars.

[Edgrd]

nope , it didn't worth it , get yourself a zentorno , cheaper and better looks IMO.

[Sentinel Actual]

TBH, having tried the T20 in SP, its not my cup of tea. The rear end looks weird, that spoiler deploying and retracting kinda gets distracting, and its not what I would call $2,200,000 material. Its fast and stylish yes, but the insurance is expensive (27k) and the money could be better spent on something else. For that, I'd say get an Insurgent (far more durable) or an Osiris.

[smartergaming]

 

The T20 will out accelerate every car in the game ... well past the one mile mark... The only place it loses the other cars is on very long top end runs with sweeping curves, where the Adder still has more top speed and the Osiris will come in second, T20 third. There are also a couple of races where the Turismo R will still beat everything due to its superior handling and brakes ... But overall the T20 is the best all around car. Be prepared to pay 2.2 mil for the car (R* is doing a 25% rebate, if you are a SC member, subscribe to the email list and are in a crew, but only on your first Legendary purchase from the 8th thru 15th)... you will spend another $500,000 to fully upgrade and customize it... if you qualify for the rebate on it... you get $550,000 back on July 19th. Beware of the insurance costs, it is $27,500 if you destroy it.

 

At this point in the game there is absolutly no reason to EVER buy a Zentorno... they have always been ... almost as good as... but have never been the best at anything... there is a serious need for a 12 step program for Zentorno addicts, so they can break the habit of claiming how wonderful it is to be in love with the "beast" maybe because it is the ugliest, lacks top speed, lacks acceleration, almost handles good, almost has good brakes, almost can ... whatever ... car in the game... ???

 

The T20 is a better buy than the Osiris ... but still very expensive.

It is so clear that you have no idea about cars.

 

Another Zentorno addict that refuses to face up to the fact their favorite car is a batmobile wanna be and SUCKS... as it weighs too much, is low on acceleration, had has no top speed....

 

I base my opinions on the numbers leaked by FUNMW2 on the velocity, mass, drag and acceleration factors of the cars... and then tested them too... no matter what race - drag race, lap race, point to point - the Zentorno will never put up better than a third or fourth fastest time. It never has been the best at anything and since the Osiris and T20 came out if fell from being second or third to being third or fourth... the numbers don't lie... so you misguided Zentorno fans just need to quit whining about what you wish could be true... !

 

Keep in mind if you have not bought any Legendary car since before July 8th, you can qualify to get 25% back on your 1st Legendary purchase between 7/8 and 7/15 by being a RSC member with a verified email address, join/be in a crew, subscribe to the RSC emails ... before 7/15... That makes the T20 a MUCH better buy than the Osiris as after rebate you will be over $300,000 cheaper for the T20.

[bixlas13]

 

 

The T20 will out accelerate every car in the game ... well past the one mile mark... The only place it loses the other cars is on very long top end runs with sweeping curves, where the Adder still has more top speed and the Osiris will come in second, T20 third. There are also a couple of races where the Turismo R will still beat everything due to its superior handling and brakes ... But overall the T20 is the best all around car. Be prepared to pay 2.2 mil for the car (R* is doing a 25% rebate, if you are a SC member, subscribe to the email list and are in a crew, but only on your first Legendary purchase from the 8th thru 15th)... you will spend another $500,000 to fully upgrade and customize it... if you qualify for the rebate on it... you get $550,000 back on July 19th. Beware of the insurance costs, it is $27,500 if you destroy it.

 

At this point in the game there is absolutly no reason to EVER buy a Zentorno... they have always been ... almost as good as... but have never been the best at anything... there is a serious need for a 12 step program for Zentorno addicts, so they can break the habit of claiming how wonderful it is to be in love with the "beast" maybe because it is the ugliest, lacks top speed, lacks acceleration, almost handles good, almost has good brakes, almost can ... whatever ... car in the game... ???

 

The T20 is a better buy than the Osiris ... but still very expensive.

It is so clear that you have no idea about cars.

 

Another Zentorno addict that refuses to face up to the fact their favorite car is a batmobile wanna be and SUCKS... as it weighs too much, is low on acceleration, had has no top speed....

 

I base my opinions on the numbers leaked by FUNMW2 on the velocity, mass, drag and acceleration factors of the cars... and then tested them too... no matter what race - drag race, lap race, point to point - the Zentorno will never put up better than a third or fourth fastest time. It never has been the best at anything and since the Osiris and T20 came out if fell from being second or third to being third or fourth... the numbers don't lie... so you misguided Zentorno fans just need to quit whining about what you wish could be true... !

 

Keep in mind if you have not bought any Legendary car since before July 8th, you can qualify to get 25% back on your 1st Legendary purchase between 7/8 and 7/15 by being a RSC member with a verified email address, join/be in a crew, subscribe to the RSC emails ... before 7/15... That makes the T20 a MUCH better buy than the Osiris as after rebate you will be over $300,000 cheaper for the T20.

 

If you really new something about this game in general you would know that all the big racers said that the big 3 (Zentorno, Osiris, T20) are almost identical and do not determine the result of a race between equally skilled drivers. Oh and btw before the Osiris the Zentorno had no competition in races that it wasn't even funny winning when others used other cars.

[unc13bud]

 

The expensive cars are only worth their money if you use it often. Otherwise don't get it.

[Kaiju Blue]

If you really new something about this game in general you would know that all the big racers said that the big 3 (Zentorno, Osiris, T20) are almost identical and do not determine the result of a race between equally skilled drivers. Oh and btw before the Osiris the Zentorno had no competition in races that it wasn't even funny winning when others used other cars.

 

 

 

Now that is just an exaggeration. The zentorno was driven by such a huge amount of idiots that you could count on them f*cking up midway through the race. Besides, it's not like the zentorno is on its own class to begin with. The entity and the turismo could always keep up with it easily. Even the cheetah if you know how to f*cking drive without crashing into everything.

[GoodTimesAhead]

BUY IT! or may 1 runneth over you.

[JoshD4PreZ]

Not trying to jump on this quote train, but I almost always beat Zentorno's with my turismo in lap races. On the off days that I don't, guarentee I still have the fastest lap time with it.

 

Jumped into the event playlist this weekend, and won 4/4 races using the turismo and a f*ckin Sanchez lol the best was the casino one, crazy sharp turns with 8 other people, T20's, Zentorno's, an Osiris and an Adder literally had no chance against the turismo after the first lap. Every single player had better racing records than me. and I can't drive for sh*t compared to some.

 

That being said I bought the T20, I love it. It's a beast. You won't regret it OP, you'll be hittin gas/brake constantly to get the spoiler to move lol I've been driving it the most out of any car, ever since I bought it. Buy it in story mode first and test 'er out. that's usually what I do before dropping 2 mil.

 

But if I need to win a lap race there's no doubt I'm gonna pick the turismo, I used to hate it, but it corners like no other. I mean, It is what it is. way she goes boys, way she goes..

Edited July 13, 2015 by JoshD4PreZ

[smartergaming]

bixlas13 you need to work on being better informed before you question other people's knowledge... Anyone can post anything on the internet, that does not make anything they say true... Here are some FACTS on which my opinions are based... not to mention actually testing on multiple tracks (different types of races) to determine the strengths and weaknesses of each car and the upgrades (and how they affect performance).

 

You can not test overall performance based on tests on ONE track... the concept of testing only on one track simply defies the definition of "testing overall performance" and simply is NOT valid and does give valid results (for anything but that one track).

Here are numbers posted by funmw2 that are used for performance calculations:

Mass
T20: 1350.000000
Turismo R: 1350.000000

Osiris: 1395.000000

Zentorno: 1500.000000

Drag
Turismo R: 9.300000
Zentorno: 10.000000
Osiris: 10.240000
T20: 10.427000

Drive Force
T20: 0.365000
Osiris: 0.360000
Zentorno: 0.354000
Turismo R: 0.353000

Max velocity (The vehicle won't reach this speed as it's the maximum limit)
Adder: 160.000000
T20: 159.300000
Osiris: 159.100000
Zentorno: 159.000000
Turismo R: 155.000000

Clutch speed multiplier on up shifts
Turismo R: 3.400000
Osiris: 6.000000
T20: 7.000000

Brake Force
Turismo R: 1.200000
T20: 1.100000
Osiris: 1.050000
Zentorno: 1.000000

From these numbers you will see the Zentorno is 3rd or 4th at best on average. There are many other numbers that are used to calculate performance.

Here is an example of some of the performance multipliers for a car on GTA Online (taken from another funmw2 posting):

<fMass value=>

<fInitialDragCoeff value=>

<nInitialDriveGears value=>

<fInitialDriveForce value=>

<fDriveInertia value=>

<fInitialDriveMaxFlatVel value=>

<fBrakeForce value=>

<fHandBrakeForce value=>

<fTractionCurveMax value=>

<fTractionCurveMin value=>

<fTractionCurveLateral value=>

<fTractionSpringDeltaMax value=>

<fLowSpeedTractionLossMult value=>

<fSuspensionForce value=>

<fCollisionDamageMult value=>

<fWeaponDamageMult value=>

<fDeformationDamageMult value=>

<fEngineDamageMult value=>

All of these values are affected in one way or another based on starting specs of the car, upgrades, damage etc...

The above numbers prove why Broughy's test where he damages the spoiler is bogus... he cannot tell what part of the performance reduction is from "collision damage", "deformation damage" or the spoiler not working ... he is GUESSING !!! Broughy also says he DOES NOT upgrade suspensions as he claims suspension does not affect performance and he does not think there is any way to test them - they only give a placebo effect! But, you can see that suspension is one of the multipliers used.... so it obviously does have some affect.

Any upgrade can be tested to see if if affects performance, if you use proper testing procedures... lol

Edited July 13, 2015 by smartergaming

[bixlas13]

bixlas13 you need to work on being better informed before you question other people's knowledge... Anyone can post anything on the internet, that does not make anything they say true... Here are some FACTS on which my opinions are based... not to mention actually testing on multiple tracks (different types of races) to determine the strengths and weaknesses of each car and the upgrades (and how they affect performance).

You can not test overall performance based on tests on ONE track... the concept of testing only on one track simply defies the definition of "testing overall performance" and simply is NOT valid and does give valid results (for anything but that one track).

Here are numbers posted by funmw2 that are used for performance calculations:

Mass

T20: 1350.000000

Turismo R: 1350.000000

Osiris: 1395.000000

Zentorno: 1500.000000

Drag

Turismo R: 9.300000

Zentorno: 10.000000

Osiris: 10.240000

T20: 10.427000

Drive Force

T20: 0.365000

Osiris: 0.360000

Zentorno: 0.354000

Turismo R: 0.353000

 

Max velocity (The vehicle won't reach this speed as it's the maximum limit)

Adder: 160.000000

T20: 159.300000

Osiris: 159.100000

Zentorno: 159.000000

Turismo R: 155.000000

 

Clutch speed multiplier on up shifts

Turismo R: 3.400000

Osiris: 6.000000

T20: 7.000000

Brake Force

Turismo R: 1.200000

T20: 1.100000

Osiris: 1.050000

Zentorno: 1.000000

From these numbers you will see the Zentorno is 3rd or 4th at best on average. There are many other numbers that are used to calculate performance.

Here is an example of some of the performance multipliers for a car on GTA Online (taken from another funmw2 posting):

<fMass value=>

<fInitialDragCoeff value=>

<nInitialDriveGears value=>

<fInitialDriveForce value=>

<fDriveInertia value=>

<fInitialDriveMaxFlatVel value=>

<fBrakeForce value=>

<fHandBrakeForce value=>

<fTractionCurveMax value=>

<fTractionCurveMin value=>

<fTractionCurveLateral value=>

<fTractionSpringDeltaMax value=>

<fLowSpeedTractionLossMult value=>

<fSuspensionForce value=>

<fCollisionDamageMult value=>

<fWeaponDamageMult value=>

<fDeformationDamageMult value=>

<fEngineDamageMult value=>

All of these values are affected in one way or another based on starting specs of the car, upgrades, damage etc...

 

 

The above numbers prove why Broughy's test where he damages the spoiler is bogus... he cannot tell what part of the performance reduction is from "collision damage", "deformation damage" or the spoiler not working ... he is GUESSING !!! Broughy also says he DOES NOT upgrade suspensions as he claims suspension does not affect performance and he does not think there is any way to test them - they only give a placebo effect! But, you can see that suspension is one of the multipliers used.... so it obviously does have some affect.

 

Any upgrade can be tested to see if if affects performance, if you use proper testing procedures... lol

I agree with everything except the fact that T20's spoiler doesn't affect lap times because I have tested it on ps3 where it doesn't work and the T20 is pulling lap times close to the Adder and it understeers way more.

[hornedturtle]

The car i drive the most is the rapid gt so i don't notice any understeer....

[smartergaming]

bixlas13... when did I ever say the spoiler DOES NOT affect performance??? I have NEVER SAID THAT... So you CANNOT DISAGREE with me on SOMETHING THAT WAS NEVER SAID!!!!

 

You keep saying the T20 does not work on the PS3, as though that is a fact for everyone... BUT you keep ignoring all of us who say there is NO SUCH ISSUE for us. Again, for MANY of us the T20 DOES work on the PS3... you need to quit using BLANKET statements... there may be SOME who are having problems, But, it is not a problem for me or anyone I know on the PS3... so quit telling those of us who race these cars that we are wrong when we say ours work and they DO NOT have the problems some (like you, Broughy and a few others) claim!!!

 

I have already provided the program notes showing that by backing into a barrier the car could have at least 2 types of damage in addition to the spoiler not deploying, that would affect performance... So Broughy's test is BS... There is no way he could conclude the drop in performance was SOLEY due to the spoiler not deploying. Also you do not seem to know the correct racing terms... as the rear spoiler NOT deploying properly should result in LESS DOWN FORCE on the rear of the car and would cause the car to OVERSTEER (the front turning in too much and back end would slide out more) NOT UNDERSTEER (front end sliding and not turning)... please try to read, comprehend and learn more before you say you DISAGREE (with things that were never said or about things that are the opposite of the words you use to describe them)... and then maybe you could quit being an internet lemming following your favorite youtuber off the cliff of misguided opinions???

Edited July 13, 2015 by smartergaming