PSA: Progen T20 broken on last gen

[PatG]

Hey guys, could someone tell me if a T20 bought on PS3 was upgraded to PS4 would it "improve"? sorry if that dose not make much sense haha

You mean transferring your character to next gen? Maybe. Since the spoiler works on next gen and not on last gen.

[justinlynch3]

All cars SHOULD handle crappy off road, vans should handle half decent but be slow, and off road should be the only thing handling well off road.

 

But of course R* makes the game so supers and sports can outdo off roaders off road.... cause R* logic I guess.

 

Anyway to me handling lacked compared to Orisis, but it wasn't terrible, worse cars are in the game.

[xInfamousRYANx]

Just an FYI for all the lemmings who love and worship Broughy1322... You need to learn about valid test procedures, learn to test for yourself, and realize that just because someone posts videos on the internet, does not make anything they say ... TRUE... Broughy is the source of many incorrect notions about the way things work on GTA.

 

His tests are invalid because he only tests on his one custom track (which lacks high speed sweeping corners and long straightaways).

 

wrong he does explain that Cutting Coroners TT is a balanced track it has 2 very long straights some fast open sweeping corners a tight hairpin and a few tight turns. It is the best balanced mixture

 

He does not test "fully upgraded" cars as he claims on his introduction screens - in his own informational videos he states things like don't bother with suspension and certain other upgrades, as he says there is no way to test if they work and he thinks they are just a placebo effect... so they are NOT fully upgraded... they just have whatever he thinks is good...

 

suspension is not a "performance enhancing" upgrade. While it is true cars like the turismo benefit from no suspension lowering that is only because it changes the hitbox of the car over curbs having different suspension does not correspond as different perfomance.

 

ALSO ARMOR DOESNT ADD WEIGHT

 

He states off road tires are a must, that all tires have the same traction, but, off road gives a smoother ride over curbs and bumps due to the side wall height.

 

this is true. All tires do have the same traction values meaning they give no more grip. But higher sidewalls allow cars to glide over curbs and bumps for a smoother ride and cause cars to not spin as much when on uneven pavement

 

He claims bullet proof tires have less traction... etc, etc...

 

ummmm no he doesn't. This was a notion forum people have spread and it is misguided. He explains bp tires do not alter traction

 

All these examples I have listed are things Broughy states as facts, but, can in fact be proven to be incorrect by anyone who wants to test them using proper testing procedures.

 

Broughy refuses to use any logical procedures that could possibly be accepted as valid testing... such as testing on multiple tracks or varying types of races to see what strengths or weaknesses of a particular car could be discovered by doing VALID tests. Broughy in his own words says that he has not been able to figure out how to test upgrades like suspension??? Since he says he cannot figure out how to test to see if suspension and certain other upgrades affect performance... why should anyone believe he has figured out the best way to test anything else???

Edited July 12, 2015 by xInfamousRYANx

[GTA Forums User99521]

I'd love to see some lap times from the people who say it's not broken on old gen.Oh wait that would be logical and constructive,what am I thinking!Instead you can just sit here saying "Mines fine u jus need to git gud fam",without testing the cars(but of course you're an expert racer with your 120:105 W/L ratio against randoms with CU and SS,you don't need to test).Then you can go on to Broughy bashing "Omfg LOL LOL idiots on here need to stop believing everyfin is Bruggy guy says,repeated tests on a well balanced track by one of the best drivers in the game are invalid coz I tink my boogatti iz beazt. LMFAO LOL LOL he thinks Offroad tyres actually halp u go faster LOL LOL,who cares if he provided evidence and I didn't,ur all idiots LFMAO LOL LOL"

 

I've seen lap times from World Record holders on last gen that are showing that the T20 isn't nearly as quick as other super cars,but then they switch to current gen and get much better lap times with the T20(Nb4 the prick who says to anyone who actually tried to test the cars to get a fair result "Lol u tink ur stig m9")which pretty obviously shows there's something wrong with the T20 on last gen.Some of you don't believe that so come on,post some video's of your lap times,let's see what you're getting.

[TeammateHelper]

I'll test it and get this over with.

[four0nefive]

It works fine for me on 360. I use taking off to test cars and both the Zentorno and T20 bone stock were within milliseconds of each other. (1 lap and no boost at the start when testing both cars)

[Big_Show]

Simple solution, buy a next gen console!

[Kushology]

 

Upgrade then. Problem Fixed

brb spending $600 on a digital car

 

Anyway, why aren't you all still driving your Fusidales from October '13?

I hate that car, mostly because Simeon always wants the f*cking thing. My first car was the Sultan and I still got it.

[PatG]

 

Just an FYI for all the lemmings who love and worship Broughy1322... You need to learn about valid test procedures, learn to test for yourself, and realize that just because someone posts videos on the internet, does not make anything they say ... TRUE... Broughy is the source of many incorrect notions about the way things work on GTA.

 

His tests are invalid because he only tests on his one custom track (which lacks high speed sweeping corners and long straightaways).

 

wrong he does explain that Cutting Coroners TT is a balanced track it has 2 very long straights some fast open sweeping corners a tight hairpin and a few tight turns. It is the best balanced mixture

 

He does not test "fully upgraded" cars as he claims on his introduction screens - in his own informational videos he states things like don't bother with suspension and certain other upgrades, as he says there is no way to test if they work and he thinks they are just a placebo effect... so they are NOT fully upgraded... they just have whatever he thinks is good...

 

suspension is not a "performance enhancing" upgrade. While it is true cars like the turismo benefit from no suspension lowering that is only because it changes the hitbox of the car over curbs having different suspension does not correspond as different perfomance.

 

ALSO ARMOR DOESNT ADD WEIGHT

 

He states off road tires are a must, that all tires have the same traction, but, off road gives a smoother ride over curbs and bumps due to the side wall height.

 

this is true. All tires do have the same traction values meaning they give no more grip. But higher sidewalls allow cars to glide over curbs and bumps for a smoother ride and cause cars to not spin as much when on uneven pavement

 

He claims bullet proof tires have less traction... etc, etc...

 

ummmm no he doesn't. This was a notion forum people have spread and it is misguided. He explains bp tires do not alter traction

 

All these examples I have listed are things Broughy states as facts, but, can in fact be proven to be incorrect by anyone who wants to test them using proper testing procedures.

 

Broughy refuses to use any logical procedures that could possibly be accepted as valid testing... such as testing on multiple tracks or varying types of races to see what strengths or weaknesses of a particular car could be discovered by doing VALID tests. Broughy in his own words says that he has not been able to figure out how to test upgrades like suspension??? Since he says he cannot figure out how to test to see if suspension and certain other upgrades affect performance... why should anyone believe he has figured out the best way to test anything else???

 

I was just about to post something like this. Kudos to you.

I'd love to see some lap times from the people who say it's not broken on old gen.Oh wait that would be logical and constructive,what am I thinking!Instead you can just sit here saying "Mines fine u jus need to git gud fam",without testing the cars(but of course you're an expert racer with your 120:105 W/L ratio against randoms with CU and SS,you don't need to test).Then you can go on to Broughy bashing "Omfg LOL LOL idiots on here need to stop believing everyfin is Bruggy guy says,repeated tests on a well balanced track by one of the best drivers in the game are invalid coz I tink my boogatti iz beazt. LMFAO LOL LOL he thinks Offroad tyres actually halp u go faster LOL LOL,who cares if he provided evidence and I didn't,ur all idiots LFMAO LOL LOL"

 

I've seen lap times from World Record holders on last gen that are showing that the T20 isn't nearly as quick as other super cars,but then they switch to current gen and get much better lap times with the T20(Nb4 the prick who says to anyone who actually tried to test the cars to get a fair result "Lol u tink ur stig m9")which pretty obviously shows there's something wrong with the T20 on last gen.Some of you don't believe that so come on,post some video's of your lap times,let's see what you're getting.

^^^ Spot on.

 

People who say the T20 isn't broken on last gen and say the Broughy's tests aren't reliable are just being plain ignorant. I'll probably try and get on my PS3 and run Cutting Corners GP with the Osiris, T20 and Turismo R to see what lap times I can get with each to provide some visual evidence from a last gen perspective. I can't test the Zentorno since I already sold mine back when the Osiris was released.

 

Edit: Just finished testing the Osiris and T20 on Cutting Corners GP. All runs were set on 10 laps, no traffic, clear day. Didn't want to put in the Turismo R's times because for some reason, the front end kept getting hooked on random parts of the road and kept damaging the front end. Also, there were some points where random parked cars would spawn in even though I had traffic set to off.

 

Anyways:

 

Osiris: 1:06:087

T20: 1:07:569

 

Took the same racing lines for both cars and I was able to achieve 1:06-1:07 times consistently with the Osiris in the last 4 laps. I was able to consistently get 1:07.5-1:08.5 times with the T20.

Edited July 12, 2015 by PSgtaplayer1

[triplem]

People who say the T20 isn't broken on last gen and say the Broughy's tests aren't reliable are just being plain ignorant. I'll probably try and get on my PS3 and run Cutting Corners GP with the Osiris, T20 and Turismo R to see what lap times I can get with each to provide some visual evidence from a last gen perspective. I can't test the Zentorno since I already sold mine back when the Osiris was released.

 

Edit: Just finished testing the Osiris and T20 on Cutting Corners GP. All runs were set on 10 laps, no traffic, clear day. Didn't want to put in the Turismo R's times because for some reason, the front end kept getting hooked on random parts of the road and kept damaging the front end. Also, there were some points where random parked cars would spawn in even though I had traffic set to off.

 

Anyways:

 

Osiris: 1:06:087

T20: 1:07:569

 

Took the same racing lines for both cars and I was able to achieve 1:06-1:07 times consistently with the Osiris in the last 4 laps. I was able to consistently get 1:07.5-1:08.5 times with the T20.

 

The cars will have certain outcomes on different tracks. One has a better top speed, one has better acceleration, and depending on if you do a track that is stop start or long distances where top speeds are achievable, you're going to find both those cars varying in win differences. Too many people saw that youtuber who tests vehicles speeds and he managed to beat his Osiris time with the T20. That track is a stop starter. Cars do not reach a top speed let alone the top gear, so all he proved was the T20 was faster for that particular race.

 

And world records are a joke. Have you never noticed most have been hacked? Records say a lap time was done in 19 seconds that clearly cannot possibly be done in under 40 seconds.

Edited July 12, 2015 by triplem

[xInfamousRYANx]

 

People who say the T20 isn't broken on last gen and say the Broughy's tests aren't reliable are just being plain ignorant. I'll probably try and get on my PS3 and run Cutting Corners GP with the Osiris, T20 and Turismo R to see what lap times I can get with each to provide some visual evidence from a last gen perspective. I can't test the Zentorno since I already sold mine back when the Osiris was released.

 

Edit: Just finished testing the Osiris and T20 on Cutting Corners GP. All runs were set on 10 laps, no traffic, clear day. Didn't want to put in the Turismo R's times because for some reason, the front end kept getting hooked on random parts of the road and kept damaging the front end. Also, there were some points where random parked cars would spawn in even though I had traffic set to off.

 

Anyways:

 

Osiris: 1:06:087

T20: 1:07:569

 

Took the same racing lines for both cars and I was able to achieve 1:06-1:07 times consistently with the Osiris in the last 4 laps. I was able to consistently get 1:07.5-1:08.5 times with the T20.

 

The cars will have certain outcomes on different tracks. One has a better top speed, one has better acceleration, and depending on if you do a track that is stop start or long distances where top speeds are achievable, you're going to find both those cars varying in win differences. Too many people saw that youtuber who tests vehicles speeds and he managed to beat his Osiris time with the T20. That track is a stop starter. Cars do not reach a top speed let alone the top gear, so all he proved was the T20 was faster for that particular race.

 

And world records are a joke. Have you never noticed most have been hacked? Records say a lap time was done in 19 seconds that clearly cannot possibly be done in under 40 seconds.

The delusion is strong in this one. Cutting Coroners TT allows cars to reach top speed

[SteelBeams]

Its a supercar, not an offroad vehicle...if you were to take a similar car offroad IRL i would be highly suspicious of your braincell count...

 

Supercars are supposed to be as light as possible, anyways....

 

[LeonTheKiller]

Yep, definitely there's something wrong with the T20 on last-gen. I tested the car on the PS3 and PS4 versions, and there's a significant difference in the handling between both versions. The car handles so much better on the PS4 version lol, it was easy to take corners at moderate high speed, while on the PS3 version it understeers a lot, i had to slow down a lot more to take corners. Also there's a noticeable difference in braking too, had to brake earlier every time on the PS3 version.

[Paulie050]

The thing handles like a dream on PS3, people can't drive for sh*t

[Mach1bud]

 

People who say the T20 isn't broken on last gen and say the Broughy's tests aren't reliable are just being plain ignorant. I'll probably try and get on my PS3 and run Cutting Corners GP with the Osiris, T20 and Turismo R to see what lap times I can get with each to provide some visual evidence from a last gen perspective. I can't test the Zentorno since I already sold mine back when the Osiris was released.

 

Edit: Just finished testing the Osiris and T20 on Cutting Corners GP. All runs were set on 10 laps, no traffic, clear day. Didn't want to put in the Turismo R's times because for some reason, the front end kept getting hooked on random parts of the road and kept damaging the front end. Also, there were some points where random parked cars would spawn in even though I had traffic set to off.

 

Anyways:

 

Osiris: 1:06:087

T20: 1:07:569

 

Took the same racing lines for both cars and I was able to achieve 1:06-1:07 times consistently with the Osiris in the last 4 laps. I was able to consistently get 1:07.5-1:08.5 times with the T20.

 

The cars will have certain outcomes on different tracks. One has a better top speed, one has better acceleration, and depending on if you do a track that is stop start or long distances where top speeds are achievable, you're going to find both those cars varying in win differences. Too many people saw that youtuber who tests vehicles speeds and he managed to beat his Osiris time with the T20. That track is a stop starter. Cars do not reach a top speed let alone the top gear, so all he proved was the T20 was faster for that particular race.

 

And world records are a joke. Have you never noticed most have been hacked? Records say a lap time was done in 19 seconds that clearly cannot possibly be done in under 40 seconds.

Firstly, world records on current gen are almost all legit.

 

Secondly, nobody gives a sh*t about the races you are talking about. Long Haul, Commute, etc are not races. They are wastes of time. On 99% of tracks Broughys/Shaggys tests are legit and applicable.

[psymin]

My retractable spoiler didnt animate at all (360) when I used it for the first time on the track, and I have my doubts that it affected the handling either....

 

However in free roam I have no issues....

 

Am I just high?

[Non Fiction]

The thing handles like a dream on PS3, people can't drive for sh*t

[7nvd]

 

The thing handles like a dream on PS3, people can't drive for sh*t

Give me a Screenshot of your best time on a Rockstar track in a T20. On your own of course so I know catchup does not affect.

[Huraldo]

The amount of ignorance and lack of understanding in here is truly popcorn-worthy.

[PatG]

 

People who say the T20 isn't broken on last gen and say the Broughy's tests aren't reliable are just being plain ignorant. I'll probably try and get on my PS3 and run Cutting Corners GP with the Osiris, T20 and Turismo R to see what lap times I can get with each to provide some visual evidence from a last gen perspective. I can't test the Zentorno since I already sold mine back when the Osiris was released.

 

Edit: Just finished testing the Osiris and T20 on Cutting Corners GP. All runs were set on 10 laps, no traffic, clear day. Didn't want to put in the Turismo R's times because for some reason, the front end kept getting hooked on random parts of the road and kept damaging the front end. Also, there were some points where random parked cars would spawn in even though I had traffic set to off.

 

Anyways:

 

Osiris: 1:06:087

T20: 1:07:569

 

Took the same racing lines for both cars and I was able to achieve 1:06-1:07 times consistently with the Osiris in the last 4 laps. I was able to consistently get 1:07.5-1:08.5 times with the T20.

 

The cars will have certain outcomes on different tracks. One has a better top speed, one has better acceleration, and depending on if you do a track that is stop start or long distances where top speeds are achievable, you're going to find both those cars varying in win differences. Too many people saw that youtuber who tests vehicles speeds and he managed to beat his Osiris time with the T20. That track is a stop starter. Cars do not reach a top speed let alone the top gear, so all he proved was the T20 was faster for that particular race.

 

And world records are a joke. Have you never noticed most have been hacked? Records say a lap time was done in 19 seconds that clearly cannot possibly be done in under 40 seconds.

 

Wow you don't even know what you're talking about. Not like there are long freaking straights for cars to even reach top speed on that track. God, you're so ignorant. The reason that track is used often for testing is because it allows the player to test the car's capabilities in every way; top speed, cornering on sharp turns, etc.

 

And why are you throwing world records in? That doesn't have anything to do with the lap times I posted.

 

The thing handles like a dream on PS3, people can't drive for sh*t

 

People who say this need to get their T20 on an actual track, on their own and post what lap times they get. Use real tracks that require good racing lines and not those stupid long haul, map lap races that have barely any turns and all straights.

[Paulie050]

 

 

The thing handles like a dream on PS3, people can't drive for sh*t

Give me a Screenshot of your best time on a Rockstar track in a T20. On your own of course so I know catchup does not affect.

To proof I can handle it? Something wrong with you? This sh*t can't be serious man dang

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

People act like this is Forza Motorsport 5 or some sh*t. It's truly pathetic. You guys are funny, really funny.

 

 

 

 

The thing handles like a dream on PS3, people can't drive for sh*t

Give me a Screenshot of your best time on a Rockstar track in a T20. On your own of course so I know catchup does not affect.

To proof I can handle it? Something wrong with you? This sh*t can't be serious man dang

 

I advise you to leave this thread now, to these fools "lap times" are everything. If you don't post them then you obviously can't drive.

Edited July 12, 2015 by Scaglietti

[TeammateHelper]

Can't we just look at the game files of the T20 for last gen and the files of the T20 on current gen or PC?

 

I mean, if last gen is getting less out of the Turismo then it'll show up in code, wouldn't it? It's a much more definite solution. You can't argue with game code.

[PatG]

People act like this is Forza Motorsport 5 or some sh*t. It's truly pathetic. You guys are funny, really funny.

 

 

 

 

The thing handles like a dream on PS3, people can't drive for sh*t

Give me a Screenshot of your best time on a Rockstar track in a T20. On your own of course so I know catchup does not affect.

To proof I can handle it? Something wrong with you? This sh*t can't be serious man dang

 

I advise you to leave this thread now, to these fools "lap times" are everything. If you don't post them then you obviously can't drive.

Lap times prove that what you're saying is true and that it's not broken. If you can get a good lap time, fine, we'll believe when you say that the T20's not broken, until then, how in the hell are we going to believe you when you're all talk and no proof? If you're going to try to prove something and talk sh*t, then back it up with some proof. Otherwise, your word means nothing.

Edited July 12, 2015 by PSgtaplayer1

[GR Choke]

Drives decent on the 360

[iProGam3r]

The bifta handles crappy offroad, spin city, I got beaten by several of those new things and I'm not bad at racing, basically they were worse.

[Paulie050]

People act like this is Forza Motorsport 5 or some sh*t. It's truly pathetic. You guys are funny, really funny.

 

 

 

 

The thing handles like a dream on PS3, people can't drive for sh*t

Give me a Screenshot of your best time on a Rockstar track in a T20. On your own of course so I know catchup does not affect.

To proof I can handle it? Something wrong with you? This sh*t can't be serious man dang

 

I advise you to leave this thread now, to these fools "lap times" are everything. If you don't post them then you obviously can't drive.

Haha then I will leave, don't need to prove sh*t to these fools I was just sayin but hey I don't go backing all the sh*t up with pics dang

[Cutter De Blanc]

Soooo, is it broken or are people just sh*tty drivers?

[Semaj 2JZ♢]

Soooo, is it broken or are people just sh*tty drivers?

Just buy 1 yourself. IF it's truly broke, R* will eventually fix it for everyone. If it's as it's supposed to be, then no worries, your purchase is sound.

[ShiviSRT-10]

From my testing today, i tested 5 laps of Project Z Grand Prix with the t20, first set of 5 laps with no damage, second set of laps having jammed the spolier so it can't lift. The overall times were about 30 seconds apart, to do with crashes in some of the laps, but my two fastest laps for both sets were +- only 1 second, leading me to believe that the spolier on PS3 at least, works but does not add traction.

(I do wish I recorded it but cba to edit it and stuff)

Not saying i'm the stig or a ridiculously good/consistent racer, just adding my 2 cents to the debate. Personally, i'm good enough in the osiris to not need the t20, anyone who has raced me would know that