All these updates, no anticheat..

[Sveittjpong]

When are they going to get their finger out of their asses and actually do something about this?

3 weeks and 3 days ago today, they posted this on their newswire:

As part of our ongoing commitment to combat cheating and griefing, we have recently implemented new systems to allow us to more efficiently detect and target any players found running mods and cheat programs within GTA Online. As a reminder, any attempt to tamper with the behavior of GTA Online by installing or executing mods, scripts, or other exploits, modifying the game files or manipulating the game in any way while it is executing will result in disciplinary action including but not limited to time in the cheater pool, bans and potential suspension of your account. Please help maintain the integrity of the GTA Online experience by keeping sessions free of modifications and exploits.

Lies, lies and nothing but lies. They are pulling pretty words out of nowhere.

This is the state of GTA Online right now, and has been for a long time:

It seems extreme today though, seems as though the idiots are celebrating there being no anticheat this update either! And why wouldnt they? Rockstar are doing NOTHING against this! The only thing they have in place that could be called anti-cheat is the report system, plus some minor BS that protects their GTA$$$, and absolutely nothing else.

Hooray! Hooray! It's a cheaters holiday! With a world of fun, for everyone(except legit players)! Holi-holiday!

An actual question for you people!

How can we influence Rockstar in the strongest possible way about actually doing something about this? This reporting and recording crap obviously does not work, as seen in every single session with 10+ people on PC and i would imagine lastgen.
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People saying "wat u crying for, just play the game omg" need not reply, i AM trying to play the game. Newgen saying its pretty cheaterfree is also painfully obvious at this point, we know, i have a PS4 too, but its simply not capable of doing what my PC can and never will be, end of discussion. Feel free to disregard this and bump my post with nonsensical crap though, everything helps.

[ten-a-penny]

LatGen. Unplayable thanks to hackers.

PC - the strongest possible platform out there - full of hackers.

New Gen. Lots of people states that its full of connection errors.

 

Ya, this game truly ruined SP....

[ninjaontour]

The lack of anticheat is obviously a problem, but equating that with the work done on updates is a little short sighted. The people working on the anticheat are not the same people who design, create and test new content for updates. Basically all you can do at the moment is play with friends, or hope against hope that some asshole doesn't come in lobby bombing.

 

However, there is a community wide money wipe of illicit funds coming up, according to R* support. I imagine that wipe will coincide with the release of the new anticheat, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if they released it to coincide with the rebates we're all getting on July 19th.

 

Here's hoping.

 

This is the scene I walked out to in Paleto Bay the other day. It's usually so quiet

 

Edited July 9, 2015 by ninjaontour

[Ezuu]

I don't think they will ever fix this problem sadly.

Here's a good reddit post explaining why:

https://www.reddit.com/r/GrandTheftAutoV_PC/comments/345joh/hacking_is_only_going_to_get_worse_and_heres_why/

It's playing on invite/friend sessions for us

Edited July 9, 2015 by Ezuu

[Fussyfez]

Lastgen has its modders, but it's not unplayable.

 

Its the absolutely horrendous pop up, lag, connection and general basic sh*t that makes it unplayable.

 

Modders make it more accessible, in that you don't have to grind hours of low frame rate, pop up laden missions to have fun in the games more expensive machines.

 

But I agree, rockstar are saying one thing and pretty much doing the polar opposite when it comes to anti cheat.

 

Pretty glad I'm still on ps3, and have witnessed the modded madness, as I'll be moving to ps4 at some point, by which time I hope all connection issues should be sorted.

 

PC is always going to be a modders playground without a robust anti cheat system.

[Tez2]

They've added a new anti-cheat system.

I found new stats added with ILL-Gotten Gains Part 1 related to checks and tracking cheaters, one of the new stats is "Cheater Exploit Level" stat.

They will know if you're using scripts or real-time modding..etc

It's not possible to stop cheaters.

Edited July 9, 2015 by funmw2

[ninjaontour]

They've added a new anti-cheat system.

I found new stats added with ILL-Gotten Gains Part 1 related to checks and tracking cheaters, one of the new stats is "Cheater Exploit Level" stat.

They will know if you're using scripts or real-time modding..etc

It's not possible to stop cheaters.

Think about it as a criminal living within innocent people.

You won't know if he is a criminal unless he start doing crimes.

The cheater will have to make his first move in order for Rockstar to detect him and ban him.

His first move might be blowing other players or spawning money bags..etc

 

It'd be solved in a heartbeat if they spent some of the money they earned from sales on dedicated servers.

[Sveittjpong]

I don't think they will ever fix this problem sadly.

Here's a good reddit post explaining why:

https://www.reddit.com/r/GrandTheftAutoV_PC/comments/345joh/hacking_is_only_going_to_get_worse_and_heres_why/

It's playing on invite/friend sessions for us

http://fivem.net/

 

These guys are at least trying, compared to the greedy, moneybathing people at R*. I think Rockstar should do this instead, would be much easier for them aswell..

 

If they managed to make a really good serverbased onlinesolution for PC, with the ability to run custom server scripts etc, this game would absolutely dominate the market on PC, i'm pretty sure.

 

Instead they're letting the community do the work for them, as usual. I'm just hoping they won't send their lawyers after these people..

 

They've added a new anti-cheat system.

I found new stats added with ILL-Gotten Gains Part 1 related to checks and tracking cheaters, one of the new stats is "Cheater Exploit Level" stat.

They will know if you're using scripts or real-time modding..etc

It's not possible to stop cheaters.

Pfft! Go to seven sins gaming forum, the gta modding section, and read the multitude of cheaters claiming they have used mods for a looooong time, with no ban at all.

Edited July 9, 2015 by Sveittjpong

[luisniko]

Oh well. They fix silly broken stuff and unbroken stuff, but not the real disruptive broken stuff in the game. What can you expect from these moneyswimmers when it comes to modder and trainer users?

[Sveittjpong]

But yeah, my question!

How can we influence Rockstar in the strongest possible way about actually doing something about this?

I realize not buying the game is a way, but its a bit late for that..

[Tez2]

But yeah, my question!

 

How can we influence Rockstar in the strongest possible way about actually doing something about this?

 

I realize not buying the game is a way, but its a bit late for that..

Simple, make them think about it as the next-generation of GTA:Online.

[Sveittjpong]

 

But yeah, my question!

 

How can we influence Rockstar in the strongest possible way about actually doing something about this?

 

I realize not buying the game is a way, but its a bit late for that..

Simple, make them think about it as the next-generation of GTA:Online.

 

I... Uhh.. What?

[Mach1bud]

There are many laws and millions of law enforcement personell all over the world.

 

There are still millions of criminals.

 

 

It is not possible to stop all the bad guys, it never will be.

[ten-a-penny]

There are many laws and millions of law enforcement personell all over the world.

 

There are still millions of criminals.

 

 

It is not possible to stop all the bad guys, it never will be.

Did you jump compared the master criminals that are widespread as these basement-dwelling peasants hacking the game like no tomorrow?

 

[Mach1bud]

 

There are many laws and millions of law enforcement personell all over the world.

 

There are still millions of criminals.

 

 

It is not possible to stop all the bad guys, it never will be.

Did you jump compared the master criminals that are widespread as these basement-dwelling peasants hacking the game like no tomorrow?

 

I stole a pack of gum from wal mart once. I am a master criminal.

[Sveittjpong]

There are many laws and millions of law enforcement personell all over the world.

 

There are still millions of criminals.

 

 

It is not possible to stop all the bad guys, it never will be.

It's still very much acceptable to at least give it at try.

 

I'm not trying to create world peace here..

[Nutduster]

 

They've added a new anti-cheat system.

I found new stats added with ILL-Gotten Gains Part 1 related to checks and tracking cheaters, one of the new stats is "Cheater Exploit Level" stat.

They will know if you're using scripts or real-time modding..etc

It's not possible to stop cheaters.

Think about it as a criminal living within innocent people.

You won't know if he is a criminal unless he start doing crimes.

The cheater will have to make his first move in order for Rockstar to detect him and ban him.

His first move might be blowing other players or spawning money bags..etc

 

It'd be solved in a heartbeat if they spent some of the money they earned from sales on dedicated servers.

 

 

Yes, just the one heartbeat it takes to entirely rewrite all of the game's networking code, buy and setup the thousands of servers, write and deliver a massive patch to five different platforms, followed by more patches to fix the inevitable issues caused by basically re-designing the core of your game from the ground up. Just that one little heartbeat.

 

End sarcasm. This will never happen for millions of reasons (most of them dollar bills).

[Chekoloco]

Need money, PV if you want to help me ..... Thanks!

[Sveittjpong]

Need money, PV if you want to help me ..... Thanks!

I have a feeling you are being sarcastic, but i'm still cringing.

[Maibatsu545]

They really don't give a f*ck about cheaters, unless they're giving people money because then they can't sell shark cards.

 

I've sent pictures and video to the ban hammer rockstar email account and nothing happened. A month later I saw the same hacker with the same PSN name hacking after reporting them.

 

They just don't care.

[Sveittjpong]

They just don't care.

This is obvious at this point.

 

How do we get them to care though?

[Slam_Jones]

Scrolling past, I thought the OP said "... still no antichrist"

 

Much less exciting thread than I was expecting...

[Maibatsu545]

 

They just don't care.

 

This is obvious at this point.

How do we get them to care though?

Eventually people will tire of R*s sh*t and they will start to lose money. It may not happen soon, but it eventually will happen.

[GamesBoy316]

Rockstar isn't going to use that money for a better cheating system and servers, that's for sure.

[Giantsgiants]

If an exploit doesn't involve money, it's going to be at the bottom of Rockstar's priority list.

[SteelBeams]

As part of our ongoing commitment to combat cheating and griefing, we have recently implemented new systems to allow us to more efficiently detect and target any players found running mods and cheat programs within GTA Online. As a reminder, any attempt to tamper with the behavior of GTA Online by installing or executing mods, scripts, or other exploits, modifying the game files or manipulating the game in any way while it is executing will result in disciplinary action including but not limited to time in the cheater pool, bans and potential suspension of your account. Please help maintain the integrity of the GTA Online experience by keeping sessions free of modifications and exploits.

 

Lies, lies and nothing but lies. They are pulling pretty words out of nowhere.

 

 

Im pretty sure i remember reading that same message word for f*cking word EARLY 2014 lol, they got rid of peoples non-legit billions of GTA$, took their non-legit vehicles away from them, and basically left them all broke as a joke, but other than that, modders and script kiddies have had free reign across the servers. Ive only encountered a handful of cheaters on PS3 but i know theyre a plague, in GTA IV online, you could at least play the game, stay away from the modder, and not feed their troll tendencies, but in V, they will blow the entire lobby up endlessly for no f*cking reason, that or they will drag you through the air, letting you freefall to the ground over and over, with a frequency that wont even allow you to pause and find a new lobby.

 

Oh then theres the assholes who change their regular weapon ammo to the type shot from fighter jets and the savage...those guys...i can admit that mod would be fun for a while, but it would just make the game stale knowing youve got the biggest gun on the block...i prefer headshotting scrubs with my SNS while theyre trying to gun me down with their assault shotty from down the street lol

[Fozzalmighty]

You do realize not all modders are douchebags right?

I have a bunch on my FL and most don't even use their God Mode and I've never seen any of them wipe everyone off the map.. They just like to have fun, build ramps with props, have Taser DMs in Free Roam.

The ones people bitch about are the type that are getting banned all the time, buying new CIDs monthly.

[Nutduster]

 

They just don't care.

This is obvious at this point.

 

 

No, that's nonsense. The thing is, they care - but on a global, macro level. They care about keeping the game healthy, or at least healthy enough that people keep playing it and it keeps making money. They don't care about individual cheaters, because hundreds of thousands of people play this game; banning one modder in God mode is like swatting a fly when your house is infested with them. And on the macro level they only care insofar as they can implement a fix that isn't hugely costly and doesn't involve restructuring the game. We'll never get dedicated servers for both of those reasons, but they might keep rolling out new fixes of the type fun is seeing in the IGG2 code. It's just a response system - see what people are doing, then try to implement measures to stop the worst of it. For instance they actually did put in some anti-cheat measures on last gen at the time of the great money wipe; a lot of glitches people were doing (god mode and other stuff) was patched, and the widespread DNS server stuff went away. A lot more people started getting auto-banned for modding, too, as evidenced by threads about it on a certain other infamous forum.

 

Maybe there's more they could be doing, but most of us don't understand the technical limitations involved - not enough to complain about it intelligently. Certainly, whether they ban one individual modder or not is basically irrelevant. Whether they install dedicated servers is irrelevant, because they won't, it's too expensive and too much work involved, and has a rather large possibility of breaking Online for weeks.

 

The game's not in a great state (at least on PC and last gen), but the biggest problem is the initial P2P design decision and Rockstar's lack of experience with multiplayer. Everything has flown out from those two things. Their "lack of caring" since then is a myth, and basically beside the point, because no company would ever care enough to completely redesign their multiplayer networking. It's an absurd request.

 

This criticism reminds me so much of football fans the day after their team loses, saying, "They have no heart" or whatever. It's the kind of thing said by people that don't understand the game. The reasons behind problems in complex systems, be it software/networking or organized sports, are always complicated and subtle, not obvious and easily understood.

Edited July 9, 2015 by Nutduster

[elfoam]

 

 

They just don't care.

This is obvious at this point.

How do we get them to care though?

Eventually people will tire of R*s sh*t and they will start to lose money. It may not happen soon, but it eventually will happen.

 

 

 

 

They just don't care.

This is obvious at this point.

How do we get them to care though?

Eventually people will tire of R*s sh*t and they will start to lose money. It may not happen soon, but it eventually will happen.

 

 

I don't even know if this company has the ability to learn, to learn you need to listen and these guys are stone deaf. They will in the end loose everything they have been so lucky to get (get from us buying this sucker 2 or three times each).

[Sky_Light12]

even in NG , modded account just effective as normal modder

they're not even initate another banwave

Edited July 9, 2015 by Sky_Light12