So, I installed windows 10

[X S]

FPS difference is interesting, but I've learned something about it. I'm not doing 60FPS for music videos anymore unless it's a video game showcase. 60 is sweet, but mainly just for certain uses. If I want something cinematic and captivating, I think 24 and sometimes 30 pulls it off.

 

Higher framerates are more useful during editing when making changes to time/speed and velocity. When you render it out, however, definitely stick with 30 for that cinematic look. I say 30 instead of 24 because YouTube converts to 30 by default anyway

[nicktestbranch]

 

FPS difference is interesting, but I've learned something about it. I'm not doing 60FPS for music videos anymore unless it's a video game showcase. 60 is sweet, but mainly just for certain uses. If I want something cinematic and captivating, I think 24 and sometimes 30 pulls it off.

a 60fps MV is weird indeed, like you said, different fps for different things. The ideal fps for gaming would be 60fps, but 30fps is still acceptable.That and imo, its hard for 60 to be cinematic.

[southparkmayor]

windows 10 uses WDDM 2.0 Windows Display Driver Module. Its basically the link between windows and the graphics driver. WDDM 2.0 is more efficient than WDDM 1.3 found in windows 8.1. Thus W10 will give better performance in all games.

[Kafonix]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And my fps went from 30-35 to 50-60. I can even afford myself to turn on a little bit of grass and not destroy my framerate!

And you know the funny thing. GTA uses only 800 mb of ram (sometimes it goes to 600). System process uses about the same as GTA when it's running. Alt+tab is instant (was about 3 seconds).

 

Windows 10 copies some of the frames and shows them twice. Thus giving you double FPS. Its an illusion.

But how can you explain that the game became much smoother?

Or you believe in "Human eye can only see 30 fps" BS?

*fact

"The USAF, in testing their pilots for visual response time, used a simple test to see if the pilots could distinguish small changes in light. In their experiment a picture of an aircraft was flashed on a screen in a dark room at 1/220th of a second. Pilots were consistently able to "see" the afterimage as well as identify the aircraft. This simple and specific situation not only proves the ability to percieve 1 image within 1/220 of a second, but the ability to interpret higher FPS."

http://www.overclock.net/t/247524/faq-how-many-fps-can-our-eyes-see

 

C'mon man, don't deny reality.

I can't see any difference between 30 and 60 FPS.

 

troll detected...Yup, anyone who disagrees with your opinion is a troll in your eyes. Problem is, is not an opinion. I can see the differences between 24, 30, and 60 fps. How's that an opinion?Just accept that there are different people with different physical features.

I have come to the conclusion that the human eye can't see above 30 fps.

The difference between 30 and 60 though... If you play a 30fps game on a 60fps monitor, the screen dupes every frame -> lag.

If you watch 30fps on a 30fps screen, it's fluid.

[BS_BlackScout]

30FPS screen.

Screen use HERTZ, HERTZ.

FREQUENCY RATE! HOW MANY TIMES IT BLINKS ON A SECOND.

You don't even know the technical details about it, yet you dare to discuss it.

I have never seen in my life a 30HZ PC Monitor, 60HZ is a Standard.

And 30FPS will look ""laggy"" no matter the HZ.

Also, physical features? Are you an alien?

We all humans have continuous vision, unless you blink 30 times per second. I dare you to do it.

 

This thread is making me a bit paranoid, I'm pretty sure I've got no improvement when trying Windows 10...

I don't know, we need benchmarks, I have seen many placebos out there. 20FPS??

It's not that I don't believe this is possible, I just would like to see some comparisons...

Win7/Win8/Win10 or smth.

Edited July 16, 2015 by TrustedInstaller

[Spider-Vice]

You'll only see huge improvements in games/cards that support DX12.

[Njale]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And my fps went from 30-35 to 50-60. I can even afford myself to turn on a little bit of grass and not destroy my framerate!

And you know the funny thing. GTA uses only 800 mb of ram (sometimes it goes to 600). System process uses about the same as GTA when it's running. Alt+tab is instant (was about 3 seconds).

Windows 10 copies some of the frames and shows them twice. Thus giving you double FPS. Its an illusion.

But how can you explain that the game became much smoother?

Or you believe in "Human eye can only see 30 fps" BS?

*fact

"The USAF, in testing their pilots for visual response time, used a simple test to see if the pilots could distinguish small changes in light. In their experiment a picture of an aircraft was flashed on a screen in a dark room at 1/220th of a second. Pilots were consistently able to "see" the afterimage as well as identify the aircraft. This simple and specific situation not only proves the ability to percieve 1 image within 1/220 of a second, but the ability to interpret higher FPS."

http://www.overclock.net/t/247524/faq-how-many-fps-can-our-eyes-see

 

C'mon man, don't deny reality.

I can't see any difference between 30 and 60 FPS.

troll detected...Yup, anyone who disagrees with your opinion is a troll in your eyes. Problem is, is not an opinion. I can see the differences between 24, 30, and 60 fps. How's that an opinion?Just accept that there are different people with different physical features.

I have come to the conclusion that the human eye can't see above 30 fps.

The difference between 30 and 60 though... If you play a 30fps game on a 60fps monitor, the screen dupes every frame -> lag.

If you watch 30fps on a 30fps screen, it's fluid.

 

Your mom must be proud.

[raburs]

My card supports DX11.2 so i'm pretty sure it will support DX12.

I'm really looking forward to Windows 10.

Edited July 16, 2015 by raburs

[RedIndianRobin]

My card supports DX11.2 so i'm pretty sure it will support DX12.

I'm really looking forward to Windows 10.

Typically any card that supports DX11 will support DX12 as well.

[raburs]

 

My card supports DX11.2 so i'm pretty sure it will support DX12.

I'm really looking forward to Windows 10.

Typically any card that supports DX11 will support DX12 as well.

 

 

Yes, but partially.

All cards that support DX 11.2 will support DX12 fully.

[mandeep148]

Windows 10 have WDDM 2.0, its extremely smart and BUG FIXED Version, it have ability to use system memory combines with Dedicated video card memory and makes powerful gaming PC,
before, at OLD TIME, old time was Windows 8.1 and earlier, those are boring, listen, i havent started discussion about DX12, if i do, this thing is AMAZING,
but anways WDDM, at old time, we always says " kid you have 26gbs memory bandwidth, you cant run heavy games" but no one knews that WDDM 1.3 was too slow and was OLDEST GEN EVER..

But now ? you can run heavy games on small bandwidth video ram, that is why WDDM is allowing to combine system memory and dedicated, applies on games,

I made some video, i have GTX 970, people said it have 3.5gb vram, honestly those people always live with other saying, and they never tries to know fact, so we cant say and cant help them..
gtx 970 was made for dx12, there will be no issue with vram anymore,


im showing the thing, you should watch, and if you found any stutter tell me i will delete this video..

I gained 12 fps in 4k and vram im consuming more than 6gb at 1080p at ultra texture..(shadw of mordor)

this is GTA 5, WDDM 2.0 Driver, now VRAM is too easy..

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[/VIDEO] Edited July 16, 2015 by mandeep148

[jimmyriddler]

Ok, So I've just upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10 RTM (i.e. final version), not a fresh install. I did a benchmark with Windows 7, upgraded, then did the benchmark again (you don't need to reinstall any software, so the settings are identical), I have most things maxed out and these are the results:

 

Windows 7

Frames Per Second (Higher is better) Min, Max, Avg

Pass 0, 44.177822, 130.599472, 73.811516

Pass 1, 33.111561, 101.249039, 73.091835

Pass 2, 53.982586, 130.769211, 78.506493

Pass 3, 38.703808, 146.944641, 88.221748

Pass 4, 5.314925, 157.774338, 73.471603

Time in milliseconds(ms). (Lower is better). Min, Max, Avg

Pass 0, 7.656999, 22.635792, 13.548021

Pass 1, 9.876637, 30.200932, 13.681418

Pass 2, 7.647060, 18.524492, 12.737800

Pass 3, 6.805284, 25.837252, 11.335073

Pass 4, 6.338166, 188.149414, 13.610701

Windows 10

Frames Per Second (Higher is better) Min, Max, Avg

Pass 0, 34.608906, 108.712883, 84.597557

Pass 1, 33.258301, 121.949127, 88.687538

Pass 2, 41.070568, 119.024559, 82.260048

Pass 3, 17.586010, 109.400635, 85.266121

Pass 4, 7.384848, 243.907227, 87.422478

Time in milliseconds(ms). (Lower is better). Min, Max, Avg

Pass 0, 9.198542, 28.894297, 11.820672

Pass 1, 8.200141, 30.067682, 11.275541

Pass 2, 8.401628, 24.348335, 12.156569

Pass 3, 9.140715, 56.863380, 11.727987

Pass 4, 4.099919, 135.412399, 11.438705

As you can see there is a significant improvement.

Edited July 16, 2015 by jimmyriddler

[naxx]

Downloading Windows 10 RTM right now, hope for better performance.
R* fix that issues with last patch fast!!!

[mandeep148]

its not RTM btw..

[Meegoo]

Sorry for long absence. Answering some questions.

1. I play gta at 720p with 1080p interface. And csgo i play at 1400x1050 (4:3 stretched). And that's almost 2 times as much pixels to render, than gta.

2. I clean installed windows 8.1 at first. And then (later this day) decided to upgrade to 10. So it's upgrade from clean installed windows 8.1.

3. I already said that I don't have directx12, I have directx 11.2 (screenshot is on russian, but you can guess where is what), because AMD is too lasy to update drivers for old GPUs. It's not necessarily the case, that all gpus that support dx 11.2 will support dx12 (well, they can support it, but there's no drivers). Look in PS for info, that I googled recently. So improvement comes from other windows optimisations. Probably from WDDM 2.0, if it is supported on dx 11.2

4. I didn't notice audio lag (Self FM). Or I did, but i didn't memorise it because it was minor and/or rare.

 

PS. AMD Radeon HD 7xxx and newer, Nvidia Geforce GTX 4xx and newer have (or will have) drivers released that support dx12

 

PPS. Also, after installing win10 i have this very weird bug. I can see markers through walls. However, i can see them only when i use resolution scaling (in this case my resolution is 1080p, but game renders in 1080p x 0.667 = 720p). When i don't use scaling, markers are fine

Edited July 16, 2015 by Meegoo

[BS_BlackScout]

I don't know what happened.

Performance is complete and utter sh*t here, worse than ever.

I don't know if it's 353.59 driver, if it's the latest patch.

I'm dropping to 30% of GPU Usage with horrid stutters.

[Meegoo]

Tested GTA 4. Everything maxed 1080p with sliders on 50 - 10-25 fps (this bitch jumps like crazy). Everything minimal (sliders included) 1080p - 45-50 fps.

However, I can't compare this to win 8.1 because i never played gta 4 on 8.1

Edited July 16, 2015 by Meegoo

[RedIndianRobin]

Installed Win10. Upgraded from Win 8.1. Not fresh installation. I can see there's a jump of FPS by 10 frames on my gt 610. Runs really stable. Very few occasional stutters(Because of the latest DLC). No issues whatsoever. Really happy with it.

[jimmyriddler]

its not RTM btw..

 

No apparently its not now, it doesn't matter though as 10240 is the first non-beta version and will update to the latest when it gets released.

[xHaviiHx]

I've been using Windows 10 from the start, i love it already. Can't wait for the full release. And i know alot of people are not going to use Windows 10 because it's "Hard" to navigate where things at. Come on guy, learn some new stuff

[BS_BlackScout]

I've been using Windows 10 from the start, i love it already. Can't wait for the full release. And i know alot of people are not going to use Windows 10 because it's "Hard" to navigate where things at. Come on guy, learn some new stuff

Windows 8 was even worse. I didn't know how to shutdown. Really, I was like "Where is the f*cking shutdown button."

Edited July 17, 2015 by TrustedInstaller

[DentureDynamite]

And i know alot of people are not going to use Windows 10 because it's "Hard" to navigate where things at. Come on guy, learn some new stuff.

 

I won't be upgrading to Windows 10 primarily because of Microsoft and their sucky "eff you" attitude toward their user base.

 

Add to that a forced, dumbed-down Fisher-Price GUI, and the upcoming Windows subscription model that you will have zero say in.

 

I'll happily stick to Windows 7 as long as I can, and then switch to Linux.

[_MK_]

Looking at the fps difference is tempting,pushed me to grab 10240,clean install,it's very light,Firefox is like 5x faster than on Windows 7, but damn it's one ugly and complicated OS,Corsair link wouldn't work,prgrames don't respond,BSOD,went running back to my precious Windows 7.

Edited July 17, 2015 by _MK_

[Spider-Vice]

 

its not RTM btw..

 

No apparently its not now, it doesn't matter though as 10240 is the first non-beta version and will update to the latest when it gets released.

 

It is RTM. It's what's called an RTM Escrow - it's the same build as the RTM version minus a few patches and fixes. The language packs for all languages are now available, which tells you from the get go it is the RTM version because beta builds are generally only compiled in a set of main languages.

[kraftwerkd]

FPS difference is interesting, but I've learned something about it. I'm not doing 60FPS for music videos anymore unless it's a video game showcase. 60 is sweet, but mainly just for certain uses. If I want something cinematic and captivating, I think 24 and sometimes 30 pulls it off.

 

 

 

FPS difference is interesting, but I've learned something about it. I'm not doing 60FPS for music videos anymore unless it's a video game showcase. 60 is sweet, but mainly just for certain uses. If I want something cinematic and captivating, I think 24 and sometimes 30 pulls it off.

a 60fps MV is weird indeed, like you said, different fps for different things. The ideal fps for gaming would be 60fps, but 30fps is still acceptable.

 

Fun fact, most (if not all, excluding very early and experimental) films and TV shows are 24fps.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame_rate#Motion_picture_film

 

"24p is a progressive format and is now widely adopted by those planning on transferring a video signal to film. Film and video makers use 24p even if they are not going to transfer their productions to film, simply because of the on-screen "look" of the (low) frame rate, which matches native film. The 24 FPS rate became the de facto standard for sound motion pictures in the mid-1920s.^[8] Practically all hand-drawn animation is designed to be played at 24 FPS. Actually hand-drawing 24 unique frames per second ("1's") is costly. Even in big budget films, usually hand-draw animation is done shooting on "2's" (one hand-drawn frame is shown twice, so only 12 unique frames per second)^[10] and some animation is even drawn on "4's" (one hand-drawn frame is shown four times, so only six unique frames per second)."

[kane-wwe]

Just wanted to know, if i upgrade to Windows 10 will my gtx 750 which stutters at high textures because of its 1 gb vram be able play it perfectly? Will i get better fps??

Edited July 18, 2015 by kane-wwe

[GTA SIX]

Will a fresh install of Windows 10 have any difference in performance over an upgrade from Windows 7?

[WrongAgainNoobs]

Reading up, hopefully someone will let me know if it isn't here already, I'm in page 2:

 

What's the story with my "free" upgrade? Can I do a "fresh" install, at the very least, after I "at first" do an upgrade from legal win7 or what? Do I get fresh installs after the first time "at least"? Can I get a fresh install "off the dick", or am I "sh*t out of luck"? How does the upgrade work?

 

NEXT TIME I want to reformat, after upgrade, do I need to install win7 then inplace upgrade, or do I get an ISO? Let me know.

Edited July 18, 2015 by WrongAgainNoobs

[Trash_Ok]

How did you guys get Windows 10 RTM ? Because it's not possible to upgrade right now as it says they are very close to release on their site, and they don't want more people.

I don't want an ISO, I just want to upgrade like I did months ago when trying it out. Cause some of you upgraded days ago so I don't know if I'm just late. If yes then I guess I'll wait for the release..

[Spider-Vice]

It was released to the people who already were Insiders, you would need to be on a previous Windows 10 build, sorry.