How rockstar is (cleverly) scamming us

[AgentExeider]

This has been debated as many times as you can flog a dead horse. By myself and many others before you.

 

Your response shows careless narrow understanding and naivety of the concepts of business today in gaming.

 

The pertinent question you should ask yourself is why do Microtransactions exist ?

 

Microtransactions, granted, when done properly, can help someone who has a life -a steady full time job, maybe a wife, a partner and those two kids, to be able to enjoy a game that would normally be a very time consuming. For someone such as myself, who feels like there is never enough time in the day to juggle the demands of work, family, social life and my desire to play the neverending avalanche of games that pique my interest, I can certainly relate.

 

Have I ever bought them. Yes, I have twice in fact. I factored in the time cost ratio and it was totally a reasonable and justifiable expense

 

But here's a catch: even though many games that offer microtransactions ( some plan their economies around more horrible than others) R* isn't forcing players down two routes: grind or buy. It is an optional choice. You can play the game just fine without it.

 

Be thankful you do not have in game message's a-la Dead Space 3 (while not being the greediest) forcing you to purchase in order to progress.

 

As I said before the balance of good business and art is clear to see in GTA V.

 

If you don't like what the creators of this franchise stand for, vote with your feet and play another game.

 

 

Your response shows careless narrow understanding and naivety of the concepts of business today in gaming.

 

 

this statement is laughable, considering you know not whom I worked for, and smacks more of just someone who wants to seem superior and judgemental when it's really just dismissing a opinion that differs from your own, but whatever. I've worked for the gaming industry, I know what has worked in the past and what doesn't, what barely keeps the wheels turning and what makes things run like a top, but you can go ahead and believe whatever the hell you think.

 

I under stand the purpose of the MT system and I am not debating to get rid of it, in fact I am acknowledging that it should be kept, but that there should be additional options created.

 

To those asking why a subscription would change things in light of ALL the money that was taken in on just game sales. That is because Take Two received the lion's share of that money, in fact they received a bit more then the lion's share. As a result, there is alot less money in the budget for Online then you might think, and remember the game sales are for GTA V not Online, which has been said time and time again are TWO SEPERATE PRODUCTS. The issue here is that people think Online is GTAV's multiplayer, it's not it's a product, that for right now is based of the GTA V engine and setting but is it's own product.

 

As far as my understanding of gaming business, would you like to know some facts about gaming today? How about the fact that developers are beholden to publishers in the same way that farmers are beholden to large agri-business. When you really look at how little publishers give their development houses, it's really a shame. Heck the fact that the money flow is completly backwards, it used to be dev houses would flow money to the publishers, now it's the other way around, where publishers take in the money and flow it back to the talent, this allows them control they otherwise didn't have in the past. I could really write a book on just what I have seen and heard, combine that with the stories of my collegues and we have a multi book saga on our hands. But I digress.

 

Shark Cards are the only thing that R* collects directly, and while yes a portion does still go to Take Two, the MT system allows R* to actually be able to take in funds directly, my proposed idea of a subscription would fall under the same auspices, the idea of R* getting more money directly because it's through the Online product NOT GTA V. Even though yes, it too would predicate a cut to take two, in the long run it would benefit R* more then take two, and would allow them to have another revenue stream to be able to capitalize on.

 

Here I am talking about finding new paths for R* to get money to make the game better, and your arguing against that? Do you see what you're doing? Do you hate R* and this game that much??

 

Even an optional subscription, would help this game out tremendously, and it would fit in line the F2P aspect your arguing for, since most F2P games have an optional subscription, which has benefits for those players in addition to the MT store.

 

You're still not forced into anything, and it opens up optional revenue for R*, so what's the deal? What exactly are you arguing against here??

 

also, you kind of contradict yourself, and I don't know if you meant to do that

 

 

R* isn't forcing players down two routes: grind or buy. It is an optional choice. You can play the game just fine without it.

 

But it is, you either buy cash cards or you grind the money in game, short of cheating, those are the ONLY two legitimate ways to earn money in this game. There is nothing optional here. That's why I'm wondering if this paragraph is missing some lines, because it doesn't make sense as it is.

 

Anyway, I am understanding why you want to stay a Freeper, I get it, you don't want to be forced into anything, got it. the OP wants a more balanced economy and seems willing to pay for that.

I'm thinking these aren't mutally exclusive ideas here. And taking a queue from other F2P games that offer such things, I can see how this might be a win-win for all involved.

 

Have a subscription model, an optional one, that has benefits (premium discounts at the in-game store, priority access to logins, if there is ever a line, a stipend, etc. things like that.)

 

This would allow R* another revenue stream, allow the OP to have his more balanced economy (IE he has to pay for it.), would allow YOU not to be forced into something, keeps the community together since we are still on the same servers (NO members only servers or anything.), R* having more revenue can use that money for better server and network hardware leading to better uptime, which we all can enjoy, better content, which we all can enjoy, better QA which we can all benefit, and take two get's their cut and is happy, and so on.

 

So if you want to

 

Stay free and only grind, you can

Stay free and buy shark cards occasionally, you can

Stay free and buy shark cards all the time you can.

Go premium and not buy shark cards and grind, you can

Go premium and buy shark cards occiasionally, why not.

Go premium and buy shark cards all the time, what the hell

 

I believe having MORE options is better then having LESS, and letting players have free choice, and letting the chips fall where they may. So what the hell is wrong with that??? I have looked at this from alot of angles and really I don't see a problem with this?

 

So either you really just don't get it or your arguing to just argue.

Edited July 11, 2015 by AgentExeider

[blacknambala]

 

This has been debated as many times as you can flog a dead horse. By myself and many others before you.

 

Your response shows careless narrow understanding and naivety of the concepts of business today in gaming.

 

The pertinent question you should ask yourself is why do Microtransactions exist ?

 

Microtransactions, granted, when done properly, can help someone who has a life -a steady full time job, maybe a wife, a partner and those two kids, to be able to enjoy a game that would normally be a very time consuming. For someone such as myself, who feels like there is never enough time in the day to juggle the demands of work, family, social life and my desire to play the neverending avalanche of games that pique my interest, I can certainly relate.

 

Have I ever bought them. Yes, I have twice in fact. I factored in the time cost ratio and it was totally a reasonable and justifiable expense

 

But here's a catch: even though many games that offer microtransactions ( some plan their economies around more horrible than others) R* isn't forcing players down two routes: grind or buy. It is an optional choice. You can play the game just fine without it.

 

Be thankful you do not have in game message's a-la Dead Space 3 (while not being the greediest) forcing you to purchase in order to progress.

 

As I said before the balance of good business and art is clear to see in GTA V.

 

If you don't like what the creators of this franchise stand for, vote with your feet and play another game.

 

Your response shows careless narrow understanding and naivety of the concepts of business today in gaming.

 

this statement is laughable, considering you know not whom I worked for, and smacks more of just someone who wants to seem superior and judgemental when it's really just dismissing a opinion that differs from your own, but whatever. I've worked for the gaming industry, I know what has worked in the past and what doesn't, what barely keeps the wheels turning and what makes things run like a top, but you can go ahead and believe whatever the hell you think.

 

I under stand the purpose of the MT system and I am not debating to get rid of it, in fact I am acknowledging that it should be kept, but that there should be additional options created.

 

To those asking why a subscription would change things in light of ALL the money that was taken in on just game sales. That is because Take Two received the lion's share of that money, in fact they received a bit more then the lion's share. As a result, there is alot less money in the budget for Online then you might think, and remember the game sales are for GTA V not Online, which has been said time and time again are TWO SEPERATE PRODUCTS. The issue here is that people think Online is GTAV's multiplayer, it's not it's a product, that for right now is based of the GTA V engine and setting but is it's own product.

 

As far as my understanding of gaming business, would you like to know some facts about gaming today? How about the fact that developers are beholden to publishers in the same way that farmers are beholden to large agri-business. When you really look at how little publishers give their development houses, it's really a shame. Heck the fact that the money flow is completly backwards, it used to be dev houses would flow money to the publishers, now it's the other way around, where publishers take in the money and flow it back to the talent, this allows them control they otherwise didn't have in the past. I could really write a book on just what I have seen and heard, combine that with the stories of my collegues and we have a multi book saga on our hands. But I digress.

 

Shark Cards are the only thing that R* collects directly, and while yes a portion does still go to Take Two, the MT system allows R* to actually be able to take in funds directly, my proposed idea of a subscription would fall under the same auspices, the idea of R* getting more money directly because it's through the Online product NOT GTA V. Even though yes, it too would predicate a cut to take two, in the long run it would benefit R* more then take two, and would allow them to have another revenue stream to be able to capitalize on.

 

Here I am talking about finding new paths for R* to get money to make the game better, and your arguing against that? Do you see what you're doing? Do you hate R* and this game that much??

 

Even an optional subscription, would help this game out tremendously, and it would fit in line the F2P aspect your arguing for, since most F2P games have an optional subscription, which has benefits for those players in addition to the MT store.

 

You're still not forced into anything, and it opens up optional revenue for R*, so what's the deal? What exactly are you arguing against here??

 

also, you kind of contradict yourself, and I don't know if you meant to do that

 

 

R* isn't forcing players down two routes: grind or buy. It is an optional choice. You can play the game just fine without it.

But it is, you either buy cash cards or you grind the money in game, short of cheating, those are the ONLY two legitimate ways to earn money in this game. There is nothing optional here. That's why I'm wondering if this paragraph is missing some lines, because it doesn't make sense as it is.

 

Anyway, I am understanding why you want to stay a Freeper, I get it, you don't want to be forced into anything, got it. the OP wants a more balanced economy and seems willing to pay for that.

I'm thinking these aren't mutally exclusive ideas here. And taking a queue from other F2P games that offer such things, I can see how this might be a win-win for all involved.

 

Have a subscription model, an optional one, that has benefits (premium discounts at the in-game store, priority access to logins, if there is ever a line, a stipend, etc. things like that.)

 

This would allow R* another revenue stream, allow the OP to have his more balanced economy (IE he has to pay for it.), would allow YOU not to be forced into something, keeps the community together since we are still on the same servers (NO members only servers or anything.), R* having more revenue can use that money for better server and network hardware leading to better uptime, which we all can enjoy, better content, which we all can enjoy, better QA which we can all benefit, and take two get's their cut and is happy, and so on.

 

So if you want to

 

Stay free and only grind, you can

Stay free and buy shark cards occasionally, you can

Stay free and buy shark cards all the time you can.

Go premium and not buy shark cards and grind, you can

Go premium and buy shark cards occiasionally, why not.

Go premium and buy shark cards all the time, what the hell

 

I believe having MORE options is better then having LESS, and letting players have free choice, and letting the chips fall where they may. So what the hell is wrong with that??? I have looked at this from alot of angles and really I don't see a problem with this?

 

So either you really just don't get it or your arguing to just argue.

Pro tip for all those that feel very strongly about R*'s non innovative content and profit hungry ways - vote with your feet and play a different game.

 

Clearly you do not get it at all judging by your throwaway statements. I don't hate R* nor do I praise them. And I certainly haven't contradicted myself at all.

 

It is only a game. To pass the time. Nothing more nothing less.

 

Why play if it goes against your core beliefs? If I felt that I was being "scammed" ( which quite frankly I find it laughable that I would feel that way), I'd part ways and go into the woods, start a commune and sing kumbayah o lord around a hearthy camp fire.

 

I couldn't give a sh*t about whom you have worked for.

 

And if by the off chance you have even a modicum of expertise, you'd know the game is nearly two years old. The base coding is fixed. To even implement your options,wouldn't be cost effective, and may be even game breaking.

 

I don't deny the plethora of issues that have plagued the game of late. I've learned to live with them.(through gritting of teeth)

 

All the devs can do at this point in time is to put band aids, albeit temporarily.

 

Maybe in the next installment they may have learnt lessons in this foray. Or maybe they won't. Who knows.

 

If you know what has worked in the past, and feel so strongly about it, go forth and create a better game experience than the one you are current playing.

 

This game is clearly not for you.

Edited July 11, 2015 by blacknambala

[AgentExeider]

 

 

This has been debated as many times as you can flog a dead horse. By myself and many others before you.

 

Your response shows careless narrow understanding and naivety of the concepts of business today in gaming.

 

The pertinent question you should ask yourself is why do Microtransactions exist ?

 

Microtransactions, granted, when done properly, can help someone who has a life -a steady full time job, maybe a wife, a partner and those two kids, to be able to enjoy a game that would normally be a very time consuming. For someone such as myself, who feels like there is never enough time in the day to juggle the demands of work, family, social life and my desire to play the neverending avalanche of games that pique my interest, I can certainly relate.

 

Have I ever bought them. Yes, I have twice in fact. I factored in the time cost ratio and it was totally a reasonable and justifiable expense

 

But here's a catch: even though many games that offer microtransactions ( some plan their economies around more horrible than others) R* isn't forcing players down two routes: grind or buy. It is an optional choice. You can play the game just fine without it.

 

Be thankful you do not have in game message's a-la Dead Space 3 (while not being the greediest) forcing you to purchase in order to progress.

 

As I said before the balance of good business and art is clear to see in GTA V.

 

If you don't like what the creators of this franchise stand for, vote with your feet and play another game.

 

Your response shows careless narrow understanding and naivety of the concepts of business today in gaming.

 

this statement is laughable, considering you know not whom I worked for, and smacks more of just someone who wants to seem superior and judgemental when it's really just dismissing a opinion that differs from your own, but whatever. I've worked for the gaming industry, I know what has worked in the past and what doesn't, what barely keeps the wheels turning and what makes things run like a top, but you can go ahead and believe whatever the hell you think.

 

I under stand the purpose of the MT system and I am not debating to get rid of it, in fact I am acknowledging that it should be kept, but that there should be additional options created.

 

To those asking why a subscription would change things in light of ALL the money that was taken in on just game sales. That is because Take Two received the lion's share of that money, in fact they received a bit more then the lion's share. As a result, there is alot less money in the budget for Online then you might think, and remember the game sales are for GTA V not Online, which has been said time and time again are TWO SEPERATE PRODUCTS. The issue here is that people think Online is GTAV's multiplayer, it's not it's a product, that for right now is based of the GTA V engine and setting but is it's own product.

 

As far as my understanding of gaming business, would you like to know some facts about gaming today? How about the fact that developers are beholden to publishers in the same way that farmers are beholden to large agri-business. When you really look at how little publishers give their development houses, it's really a shame. Heck the fact that the money flow is completly backwards, it used to be dev houses would flow money to the publishers, now it's the other way around, where publishers take in the money and flow it back to the talent, this allows them control they otherwise didn't have in the past. I could really write a book on just what I have seen and heard, combine that with the stories of my collegues and we have a multi book saga on our hands. But I digress.

 

Shark Cards are the only thing that R* collects directly, and while yes a portion does still go to Take Two, the MT system allows R* to actually be able to take in funds directly, my proposed idea of a subscription would fall under the same auspices, the idea of R* getting more money directly because it's through the Online product NOT GTA V. Even though yes, it too would predicate a cut to take two, in the long run it would benefit R* more then take two, and would allow them to have another revenue stream to be able to capitalize on.

 

Here I am talking about finding new paths for R* to get money to make the game better, and your arguing against that? Do you see what you're doing? Do you hate R* and this game that much??

 

Even an optional subscription, would help this game out tremendously, and it would fit in line the F2P aspect your arguing for, since most F2P games have an optional subscription, which has benefits for those players in addition to the MT store.

 

You're still not forced into anything, and it opens up optional revenue for R*, so what's the deal? What exactly are you arguing against here??

 

also, you kind of contradict yourself, and I don't know if you meant to do that

 

 

R* isn't forcing players down two routes: grind or buy. It is an optional choice. You can play the game just fine without it.

But it is, you either buy cash cards or you grind the money in game, short of cheating, those are the ONLY two legitimate ways to earn money in this game. There is nothing optional here. That's why I'm wondering if this paragraph is missing some lines, because it doesn't make sense as it is.

 

Anyway, I am understanding why you want to stay a Freeper, I get it, you don't want to be forced into anything, got it. the OP wants a more balanced economy and seems willing to pay for that.

I'm thinking these aren't mutally exclusive ideas here. And taking a queue from other F2P games that offer such things, I can see how this might be a win-win for all involved.

 

Have a subscription model, an optional one, that has benefits (premium discounts at the in-game store, priority access to logins, if there is ever a line, a stipend, etc. things like that.)

 

This would allow R* another revenue stream, allow the OP to have his more balanced economy (IE he has to pay for it.), would allow YOU not to be forced into something, keeps the community together since we are still on the same servers (NO members only servers or anything.), R* having more revenue can use that money for better server and network hardware leading to better uptime, which we all can enjoy, better content, which we all can enjoy, better QA which we can all benefit, and take two get's their cut and is happy, and so on.

 

So if you want to

 

Stay free and only grind, you can

Stay free and buy shark cards occasionally, you can

Stay free and buy shark cards all the time you can.

Go premium and not buy shark cards and grind, you can

Go premium and buy shark cards occiasionally, why not.

Go premium and buy shark cards all the time, what the hell

 

I believe having MORE options is better then having LESS, and letting players have free choice, and letting the chips fall where they may. So what the hell is wrong with that??? I have looked at this from alot of angles and really I don't see a problem with this?

 

So either you really just don't get it or your arguing to just argue.

Pro tip for all those that feel very strongly about R*'s non innovative content and profit hungry ways - vote with your feet and play a different game.

 

Clearly you do not get it at all judging by your throwaway statements. I don't hate R* nor do I praise them. And I certainly haven't contradicted myself at all.

 

It is only a game. To pass the time. Nothing more nothing less.

 

Why play if it goes against your core beliefs? If I felt that I was being "scammed" ( which quite frankly I find it laughable that I would feel that way), I'd part ways and go into the woods, start a commune and sing kumbayah o lord around a hearthy camp fire.

 

I couldn't give a sh*t about whom you have worked for.

 

And if by the off chance you have even a modicum of expertise, you'd know the game is nearly two years old. The base coding is fixed. To even implement your options,wouldn't be cost effective, and may be even game breaking.

 

I don't deny the plethora of issues that have plagued the game of late. I've learned to live with them.(through gritting of teeth)

 

All the devs can do at this point in time is to put band aids, albeit temporarily.

 

Maybe in the next installment they may have learnt lessons in this foray. Or maybe they won't. Who knows.

 

If you know what has worked in the past, and feel so strongly about it, go forth and create a better game experience than the one you are current playing.

 

This game is clearly not for you.

 

Your obviously not reading my posts, glancing at them maybe, but your not reading them. I have said several times, I DO NOT believe R* is scamming us.

 

your paragraph that I pointed out IS contradictory, because as it stands it doesn't make sense, you either have to grind or pay or a combination of both. Your paragraph is saying that is optional, not that cash cards are optional. that's why I am asking if there was additional lines that are supposed to be there.

 

It does not go against my core beliefs at all, if anything I am trying to find a middle ground that benefits everyone, you're the only one who is being militant about core beliefs. And to have such an extreme reaction to such a solvable issue really smacks of immaturity, stop it, I know you can discuss things rationally.

 

If you don't care who I have worked for, then stop trying to question my experience or understanding then if you don't want me to quantify a response.

 

Please just stop right there, using that old excuse for why things can't change is lame at best, I've heard it time and time again for ALOT of games, I've been told time and time again how things aren't possible, only to have it dis-proven every time. There is no such thing as truly fixed code, especially for online games, and remember R*'s intent is to iterate Online, and have new versions, so don't give me that.

 

So you realize the issues, they frustrate you, yet you don't want to even discuss how to improve them, and how to fund those improvements? Why??

 

Yes I do feel strongly about it, and it makes no sense to abandon this project when it needs support, that's crazy, this game IS for me and it should be for you too, the difference is, I KNOW it can be better, and haven't relegated myself and itself to a position of mediocrity like so many others.

 

and reading your posts, I would like to say I feel that you believe it too, but have been disappointed too many times.

 

"An cynic is an idealist with a broken heart"

 

There is always hope my friend, some times it's an uphill battle, but there is always hope.

[blacknambala]

 

 

 

This has been debated as many times as you can flog a dead horse. By myself and many others before you.

 

Your response shows careless narrow understanding and naivety of the concepts of business today in gaming.

 

The pertinent question you should ask yourself is why do Microtransactions exist ?

 

Microtransactions, granted, when done properly, can help someone who has a life -a steady full time job, maybe a wife, a partner and those two kids, to be able to enjoy a game that would normally be a very time consuming. For someone such as myself, who feels like there is never enough time in the day to juggle the demands of work, family, social life and my desire to play the neverending avalanche of games that pique my interest, I can certainly relate.

 

Have I ever bought them. Yes, I have twice in fact. I factored in the time cost ratio and it was totally a reasonable and justifiable expense

 

But here's a catch: even though many games that offer microtransactions ( some plan their economies around more horrible than others) R* isn't forcing players down two routes: grind or buy. It is an optional choice. You can play the game just fine without it.

 

Be thankful you do not have in game message's a-la Dead Space 3 (while not being the greediest) forcing you to purchase in order to progress.

 

As I said before the balance of good business and art is clear to see in GTA V.

 

If you don't like what the creators of this franchise stand for, vote with your feet and play another game.

 

Your response shows careless narrow understanding and naivety of the concepts of business today in gaming.

 

this statement is laughable, considering you know not whom I worked for, and smacks more of just someone who wants to seem superior and judgemental when it's really just dismissing a opinion that differs from your own, but whatever. I've worked for the gaming industry, I know what has worked in the past and what doesn't, what barely keeps the wheels turning and what makes things run like a top, but you can go ahead and believe whatever the hell you think.

 

I under stand the purpose of the MT system and I am not debating to get rid of it, in fact I am acknowledging that it should be kept, but that there should be additional options created.

 

To those asking why a subscription would change things in light of ALL the money that was taken in on just game sales. That is because Take Two received the lion's share of that money, in fact they received a bit more then the lion's share. As a result, there is alot less money in the budget for Online then you might think, and remember the game sales are for GTA V not Online, which has been said time and time again are TWO SEPERATE PRODUCTS. The issue here is that people think Online is GTAV's multiplayer, it's not it's a product, that for right now is based of the GTA V engine and setting but is it's own product.

 

As far as my understanding of gaming business, would you like to know some facts about gaming today? How about the fact that developers are beholden to publishers in the same way that farmers are beholden to large agri-business. When you really look at how little publishers give their development houses, it's really a shame. Heck the fact that the money flow is completly backwards, it used to be dev houses would flow money to the publishers, now it's the other way around, where publishers take in the money and flow it back to the talent, this allows them control they otherwise didn't have in the past. I could really write a book on just what I have seen and heard, combine that with the stories of my collegues and we have a multi book saga on our hands. But I digress.

 

Shark Cards are the only thing that R* collects directly, and while yes a portion does still go to Take Two, the MT system allows R* to actually be able to take in funds directly, my proposed idea of a subscription would fall under the same auspices, the idea of R* getting more money directly because it's through the Online product NOT GTA V. Even though yes, it too would predicate a cut to take two, in the long run it would benefit R* more then take two, and would allow them to have another revenue stream to be able to capitalize on.

 

Here I am talking about finding new paths for R* to get money to make the game better, and your arguing against that? Do you see what you're doing? Do you hate R* and this game that much??

 

Even an optional subscription, would help this game out tremendously, and it would fit in line the F2P aspect your arguing for, since most F2P games have an optional subscription, which has benefits for those players in addition to the MT store.

 

You're still not forced into anything, and it opens up optional revenue for R*, so what's the deal? What exactly are you arguing against here??

 

also, you kind of contradict yourself, and I don't know if you meant to do that

 

 

R* isn't forcing players down two routes: grind or buy. It is an optional choice. You can play the game just fine without it.

But it is, you either buy cash cards or you grind the money in game, short of cheating, those are the ONLY two legitimate ways to earn money in this game. There is nothing optional here. That's why I'm wondering if this paragraph is missing some lines, because it doesn't make sense as it is.

 

Anyway, I am understanding why you want to stay a Freeper, I get it, you don't want to be forced into anything, got it. the OP wants a more balanced economy and seems willing to pay for that.

I'm thinking these aren't mutally exclusive ideas here. And taking a queue from other F2P games that offer such things, I can see how this might be a win-win for all involved.

 

Have a subscription model, an optional one, that has benefits (premium discounts at the in-game store, priority access to logins, if there is ever a line, a stipend, etc. things like that.)

 

This would allow R* another revenue stream, allow the OP to have his more balanced economy (IE he has to pay for it.), would allow YOU not to be forced into something, keeps the community together since we are still on the same servers (NO members only servers or anything.), R* having more revenue can use that money for better server and network hardware leading to better uptime, which we all can enjoy, better content, which we all can enjoy, better QA which we can all benefit, and take two get's their cut and is happy, and so on.

 

So if you want to

 

Stay free and only grind, you can

Stay free and buy shark cards occasionally, you can

Stay free and buy shark cards all the time you can.

Go premium and not buy shark cards and grind, you can

Go premium and buy shark cards occiasionally, why not.

Go premium and buy shark cards all the time, what the hell

 

I believe having MORE options is better then having LESS, and letting players have free choice, and letting the chips fall where they may. So what the hell is wrong with that??? I have looked at this from alot of angles and really I don't see a problem with this?

 

So either you really just don't get it or your arguing to just argue.

Pro tip for all those that feel very strongly about R*'s non innovative content and profit hungry ways - vote with your feet and play a different game.

 

Clearly you do not get it at all judging by your throwaway statements. I don't hate R* nor do I praise them. And I certainly haven't contradicted myself at all.

 

It is only a game. To pass the time. Nothing more nothing less.

 

Why play if it goes against your core beliefs? If I felt that I was being "scammed" ( which quite frankly I find it laughable that I would feel that way), I'd part ways and go into the woods, start a commune and sing kumbayah o lord around a hearthy camp fire.

 

I couldn't give a sh*t about whom you have worked for.

 

And if by the off chance you have even a modicum of expertise, you'd know the game is nearly two years old. The base coding is fixed. To even implement your options,wouldn't be cost effective, and may be even game breaking.

 

I don't deny the plethora of issues that have plagued the game of late. I've learned to live with them.(through gritting of teeth)

 

All the devs can do at this point in time is to put band aids, albeit temporarily.

 

Maybe in the next installment they may have learnt lessons in this foray. Or maybe they won't. Who knows.

 

If you know what has worked in the past, and feel so strongly about it, go forth and create a better game experience than the one you are current playing.

 

This game is clearly not for you.

 

Your obviously not reading my posts, glancing at them maybe, but your not reading them. I have said several times, I DO NOT believe R* is scamming us.

 

your paragraph that I pointed out IS contradictory, because as it stands it doesn't make sense, you either have to grind or pay or a combination of both. Your paragraph is saying that is optional, not that cash cards are optional. that's why I am asking if there was additional lines that are supposed to be there.

 

It does not go against my core beliefs at all, if anything I am trying to find a middle ground that benefits everyone, you're the only one who is being militant about core beliefs. And to have such an extreme reaction to such a solvable issue really smacks of immaturity, stop it, I know you can discuss things rationally.

 

If you don't care who I have worked for, then stop trying to question my experience or understanding then if you don't want me to quantify a response.

 

Please just stop right there, using that old excuse for why things can't change is lame at best, I've heard it time and time again for ALOT of games, I've been told time and time again how things aren't possible, only to have it dis-proven every time. There is no such thing as truly fixed code, especially for online games, and remember R*'s intent is to iterate Online, and have new versions, so don't give me that.

 

So you realize the issues, they frustrate you, yet you don't want to even discuss how to improve them, and how to fund those improvements? Why??

 

Yes I do feel strongly about it, and it makes no sense to abandon this project when it needs support, that's crazy, this game IS for me and it should be for you too, the difference is, I KNOW it can be better, and haven't relegated myself and itself to a position of mediocrity like so many others.

 

and reading your posts, I would like to say I feel that you believe it too, but have been disappointed too many times.

 

"An cynic is an idealist with a broken heart"

 

There is always hope my friend, some times it's an uphill battle, but there is always hope.

It isn't an excuse. This is the reality.

 

I stand by my points and refute yours. And let's leave it at that.

 

I have discussed the issues many times via vitriolic support tickets some of which that have been deleted.

 

Complaining about it on an unaffiliated and unofficial forum will not help matters.

 

Why don't you contact R* directly and see whether they will implement your vision of utopia ?

 

I can guarantee that they won't. They are business. Not a charity. They aren't obligated to pander to your wants and needs.

 

This is their game. The current system is what it is.

 

Take your idiotic drivel elsewhere and play something else.

Edited July 11, 2015 by blacknambala

[AgentExeider]

 

 

 

 

This has been debated as many times as you can flog a dead horse. By myself and many others before you.

 

Your response shows careless narrow understanding and naivety of the concepts of business today in gaming.

 

The pertinent question you should ask yourself is why do Microtransactions exist ?

 

Microtransactions, granted, when done properly, can help someone who has a life -a steady full time job, maybe a wife, a partner and those two kids, to be able to enjoy a game that would normally be a very time consuming. For someone such as myself, who feels like there is never enough time in the day to juggle the demands of work, family, social life and my desire to play the neverending avalanche of games that pique my interest, I can certainly relate.

 

Have I ever bought them. Yes, I have twice in fact. I factored in the time cost ratio and it was totally a reasonable and justifiable expense

 

But here's a catch: even though many games that offer microtransactions ( some plan their economies around more horrible than others) R* isn't forcing players down two routes: grind or buy. It is an optional choice. You can play the game just fine without it.

 

Be thankful you do not have in game message's a-la Dead Space 3 (while not being the greediest) forcing you to purchase in order to progress.

 

As I said before the balance of good business and art is clear to see in GTA V.

 

If you don't like what the creators of this franchise stand for, vote with your feet and play another game.

 

Your response shows careless narrow understanding and naivety of the concepts of business today in gaming.

 

this statement is laughable, considering you know not whom I worked for, and smacks more of just someone who wants to seem superior and judgemental when it's really just dismissing a opinion that differs from your own, but whatever. I've worked for the gaming industry, I know what has worked in the past and what doesn't, what barely keeps the wheels turning and what makes things run like a top, but you can go ahead and believe whatever the hell you think.

 

I under stand the purpose of the MT system and I am not debating to get rid of it, in fact I am acknowledging that it should be kept, but that there should be additional options created.

 

To those asking why a subscription would change things in light of ALL the money that was taken in on just game sales. That is because Take Two received the lion's share of that money, in fact they received a bit more then the lion's share. As a result, there is alot less money in the budget for Online then you might think, and remember the game sales are for GTA V not Online, which has been said time and time again are TWO SEPERATE PRODUCTS. The issue here is that people think Online is GTAV's multiplayer, it's not it's a product, that for right now is based of the GTA V engine and setting but is it's own product.

 

As far as my understanding of gaming business, would you like to know some facts about gaming today? How about the fact that developers are beholden to publishers in the same way that farmers are beholden to large agri-business. When you really look at how little publishers give their development houses, it's really a shame. Heck the fact that the money flow is completly backwards, it used to be dev houses would flow money to the publishers, now it's the other way around, where publishers take in the money and flow it back to the talent, this allows them control they otherwise didn't have in the past. I could really write a book on just what I have seen and heard, combine that with the stories of my collegues and we have a multi book saga on our hands. But I digress.

 

Shark Cards are the only thing that R* collects directly, and while yes a portion does still go to Take Two, the MT system allows R* to actually be able to take in funds directly, my proposed idea of a subscription would fall under the same auspices, the idea of R* getting more money directly because it's through the Online product NOT GTA V. Even though yes, it too would predicate a cut to take two, in the long run it would benefit R* more then take two, and would allow them to have another revenue stream to be able to capitalize on.

 

Here I am talking about finding new paths for R* to get money to make the game better, and your arguing against that? Do you see what you're doing? Do you hate R* and this game that much??

 

Even an optional subscription, would help this game out tremendously, and it would fit in line the F2P aspect your arguing for, since most F2P games have an optional subscription, which has benefits for those players in addition to the MT store.

 

You're still not forced into anything, and it opens up optional revenue for R*, so what's the deal? What exactly are you arguing against here??

 

also, you kind of contradict yourself, and I don't know if you meant to do that

 

 

R* isn't forcing players down two routes: grind or buy. It is an optional choice. You can play the game just fine without it.

But it is, you either buy cash cards or you grind the money in game, short of cheating, those are the ONLY two legitimate ways to earn money in this game. There is nothing optional here. That's why I'm wondering if this paragraph is missing some lines, because it doesn't make sense as it is.

 

Anyway, I am understanding why you want to stay a Freeper, I get it, you don't want to be forced into anything, got it. the OP wants a more balanced economy and seems willing to pay for that.

I'm thinking these aren't mutally exclusive ideas here. And taking a queue from other F2P games that offer such things, I can see how this might be a win-win for all involved.

 

Have a subscription model, an optional one, that has benefits (premium discounts at the in-game store, priority access to logins, if there is ever a line, a stipend, etc. things like that.)

 

This would allow R* another revenue stream, allow the OP to have his more balanced economy (IE he has to pay for it.), would allow YOU not to be forced into something, keeps the community together since we are still on the same servers (NO members only servers or anything.), R* having more revenue can use that money for better server and network hardware leading to better uptime, which we all can enjoy, better content, which we all can enjoy, better QA which we can all benefit, and take two get's their cut and is happy, and so on.

 

So if you want to

 

Stay free and only grind, you can

Stay free and buy shark cards occasionally, you can

Stay free and buy shark cards all the time you can.

Go premium and not buy shark cards and grind, you can

Go premium and buy shark cards occiasionally, why not.

Go premium and buy shark cards all the time, what the hell

 

I believe having MORE options is better then having LESS, and letting players have free choice, and letting the chips fall where they may. So what the hell is wrong with that??? I have looked at this from alot of angles and really I don't see a problem with this?

 

So either you really just don't get it or your arguing to just argue.

Pro tip for all those that feel very strongly about R*'s non innovative content and profit hungry ways - vote with your feet and play a different game.

 

Clearly you do not get it at all judging by your throwaway statements. I don't hate R* nor do I praise them. And I certainly haven't contradicted myself at all.

 

It is only a game. To pass the time. Nothing more nothing less.

 

Why play if it goes against your core beliefs? If I felt that I was being "scammed" ( which quite frankly I find it laughable that I would feel that way), I'd part ways and go into the woods, start a commune and sing kumbayah o lord around a hearthy camp fire.

 

I couldn't give a sh*t about whom you have worked for.

 

And if by the off chance you have even a modicum of expertise, you'd know the game is nearly two years old. The base coding is fixed. To even implement your options,wouldn't be cost effective, and may be even game breaking.

 

I don't deny the plethora of issues that have plagued the game of late. I've learned to live with them.(through gritting of teeth)

 

All the devs can do at this point in time is to put band aids, albeit temporarily.

 

Maybe in the next installment they may have learnt lessons in this foray. Or maybe they won't. Who knows.

 

If you know what has worked in the past, and feel so strongly about it, go forth and create a better game experience than the one you are current playing.

 

This game is clearly not for you.

 

Your obviously not reading my posts, glancing at them maybe, but your not reading them. I have said several times, I DO NOT believe R* is scamming us.

 

your paragraph that I pointed out IS contradictory, because as it stands it doesn't make sense, you either have to grind or pay or a combination of both. Your paragraph is saying that is optional, not that cash cards are optional. that's why I am asking if there was additional lines that are supposed to be there.

 

It does not go against my core beliefs at all, if anything I am trying to find a middle ground that benefits everyone, you're the only one who is being militant about core beliefs. And to have such an extreme reaction to such a solvable issue really smacks of immaturity, stop it, I know you can discuss things rationally.

 

If you don't care who I have worked for, then stop trying to question my experience or understanding then if you don't want me to quantify a response.

 

Please just stop right there, using that old excuse for why things can't change is lame at best, I've heard it time and time again for ALOT of games, I've been told time and time again how things aren't possible, only to have it dis-proven every time. There is no such thing as truly fixed code, especially for online games, and remember R*'s intent is to iterate Online, and have new versions, so don't give me that.

 

So you realize the issues, they frustrate you, yet you don't want to even discuss how to improve them, and how to fund those improvements? Why??

 

Yes I do feel strongly about it, and it makes no sense to abandon this project when it needs support, that's crazy, this game IS for me and it should be for you too, the difference is, I KNOW it can be better, and haven't relegated myself and itself to a position of mediocrity like so many others.

 

and reading your posts, I would like to say I feel that you believe it too, but have been disappointed too many times.

 

"An cynic is an idealist with a broken heart"

 

There is always hope my friend, some times it's an uphill battle, but there is always hope.

It isn't an excuse. This is the reality.

 

I stand by my points and refute yours. And let's leave it at that.

 

I have discussed the issues many times via vitriolic support tickets some of which that have been deleted.

 

Complaining about it on an unaffiliated and unofficial forum will not help matters.

 

Why don't you contact R* directly and see whether they will implement your vision of utopia ?

 

I can guarantee that they won't. They are business. Not a charity. They aren't obligated to pander to your wants and needs.

 

This is their game. The current system is what it is.

 

Take your idiotic drivel elsewhere and play something else.

 

Yes, it's an excuse, the very ability to patch things and iterate software shows that.

 

actually I have contacted R* about this, at first through their support ticket system, but then by actual people in R* though I admit the last email was from just after heists were released, and they were few, i wanna say 2 maybe 3, so it's not like I've got anyone's ear or anything.

 

but no it's not utopic, and to be honest if you think that is utopic, you have low standards for utopia then, this is simply something more equitable and realistic.

 

trying to float this game on ever dwindling cash card sales without any other revenue stream is unsustainable, additional streams must be created if Online is to see any kind of longevity.

 

Yes, they are a business, and the concept of creating new revenue streams is what businesses DO. If anything keeping things the status quo is charity. letting people play for free without any expectation of them paying for it, is charity.

 

You can call it drivel all you want, but I have laid out a very clear, concise and to be honest very equitable idea that can clearly benefit everybody, and it's something they should at least consider, it something everyone should at least consider.

 

It's ok, it's not your fault....

 

 

Hug it out man....

Edited July 11, 2015 by AgentExeider

[blacknambala]

One word. Moron.

 

I have said what needs to be said. Arguing the toss with me will not get you anywhere.

 

What dwindling revenue streams ? Have you read into Take 2's financials. One of the their rep's said that MT's have exceeded expectations (direct quote)

 

I'm a realist. If I find something that isn't quite to my liking in the game, I'll vote with my feet and take my custom elsewhere.

Edited July 11, 2015 by blacknambala

[TheKingChivas]

Holy sh*t, quote train! Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease edit that down next round, okay?

[blacknambala]

Sorry boss .

[Confucious]

_{While I do not think Rockstar is "scamming us" by not making it easy to get what you want without working for it. "is how it I supposed to be". If you want "instant gratification" PAY UP! lol xD They ARE however doing 1 thing I feel is wrong. I bought GTA V for PS3 when it first launched. I did the same later for the PC verion, as did my wife. I have noticed that they stopped giving any new content whatsoever to the PS3 version. Not talking about "collector content for buying for a certain system". I am talking about standard additions/patches/content for the game. That, to me? Is trying to force buying a PS4, "or similar newer platform" to get the content that (should) be provided to every platform it was sold on for the life of the game. When I called and asked why they stopped updating the PS3? I was told it could not hadle the new content? I know better? lol Adding more quest lines, gun, vehicles, 2x events, tetc do not overload the PS3. In reality? You can actually manually install PS4 firmware onto a PS3, and play PS4 game on it. I have seen it done. Point being? I think you SHOULD work to get stuff, or the entire game is pointless. But trying to kill off older sytems to sell the game again, and/or promote new console sells? THAT is a scam. lol I like playing on my ps3 with friends who didn't buy the PC version, but will me, and my wife buy 2 PS4's plus the game again, and try to convince all our friends to do it as well, just to get the new conent we SHOULD get already? (cost the same for my PS3 as my PC? the disc versions) That I DO think is wrong, and pretty dang greedy! lol Anyways, I have, and always WILL love the GTA series. I have every single version for PC ever made, and 3 different ones on my PS3. HAPPY GAMING everyone!}

[oleg_aka_djmeg]

^ try to run gta 5 on a pc from 2004 then tell me that it runs fine on it. not to mention the ps4 firmware thing, like what the fuсk?

Edited February 2, 2016 by oleg_aka_djmeg

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

Its not a scam...its buisness...along with its tricks.

dislike it...play an other game

/Thread

[Confucious]

I have played GTA since it existed. I pointed out only it was wrong to stop upgrading the PS3 version. I paid the same for it as my PC version. You play another game troll. lol And to the lady who said the PS3/PS4 conversion cannot bev done. Technically, you are right. It is not perfect, but it can, and has been done. A friend of mine did it tto an old PS3 goofing off. I doubt it would play every PS4 game "older tech", but he did play a ps4 game that originated on PS3. So yah, I wouldn't try it, but people do some crazy stuff sometimes. lol

Edited February 2, 2016 by Confucious

[HaRdSTyLe_83]

Tl;dr

Conspiracy theories lmao.

 

Play other games and you will see what scams really are

[Mr. Larson]

I have played GTA since it existed. I pointed out only it was wrong to stop upgrading the PS3 version. I paid the same for it as my PC version. You play another game troll. lol

It was not wrong at all. It was wrong to give last gen any 2015 updates. But you found the solution yourself. Install the PS4 firmware on your PS3 and run the PS4 version. This should work just fine...........lmao.

[oleg_aka_djmeg]

i shouldn't reply to this because the word "troll" indicates that you are even less capable of a normal discussion than me, but i'll do that anyway. have you ever noticed how unsmooth gta is on ps3 in 720p? do you actually think that a 10 years old console will handle the content from the recent 3 updates the same way as 3 years old console? what are you, drunk? there is such thing as progress and things progressed tremendeously since 2004. new content is created with new hardware in mind, and i'm pretty sure that no developer would ever push something that is created for 3 years old hardware on an over 10 years old platform. gta 5 is already not very smooth on ps3, without the lowriders and all, adding those will burn the console. what the f*ck did i just write?

Edited February 2, 2016 by oleg_aka_djmeg

[REVENGE777]

Jokes on them. I got a modded account lol.

[The Wandering Hunter]

oh no I just disconnected while going under the bridge for the 10 thtime in a row

[Pedinhuh]

Running PS4 firmware on PS3, what????

 

Okay, show us some proof(video would be nice) or I'm calling it bullsh*t.

[terabaapkabaap]

Oh this thread again :') Been some time. anyway dont worry bruv, I add billions to people's accounts I am the dark night avenging you

[Confucious]

i shouldn't reply to this because the word "troll" indicates that you are even less capable of a normal discussion than me, but i'll do that anyway. have you ever noticed how unsmooth gta is on ps3 in 720p? do you actually think that a 10 years old console will handle the content from the recent 3 updates the same way as 3 years old console? what are you, drunk? there is such thing as progress and things progressed tremendeously since 2004. new content is created with new hardware in mind, and i'm pretty sure that no developer would ever push something that is created for 3 years old hardware on an over 10 years old platform. gta 5 is already not very smooth on ps3, without the lowriders and all, adding those will burn the console. what the f*ck did i just write?

Yah, I agreed with you. I wasn't calling you a troll. I won't even try making my ps3 run ps4 games. lol the troll was aimed at the individual who told me to play another game simply because I said the ps3 version should still get standard patches, and updates thev same as my pc version. As it should. It cost the same, and is the same game still. sorry you thought I called you a troll.

Edited February 2, 2016 by Confucious

[HaRdSTyLe_83]

Running PS4 firmware on PS3, what????

 

Okay, show us some proof(video would be nice) or I'm calling it bullsh*t.

He doesnt have, he knows that from a friend of a friend that has a girlfriend who owns a dog who saw it on youtube

[BatFerYou]

Oh this thread again :') Been some time. anyway dont worry bruv, I add billions to people's accounts I am the dark night avenging you

 

Yeah first thing I noticed was how this chatter was from July 2015 and I had already liked some of the snarky (but accurate) replies. Look at all the worms biting on the hook.

 

Take care out in the knight, night.

[sic]

 

Night-night.

[Confucious]

 

Running PS4 firmware on PS3, what????

 

Okay, show us some proof(video would be nice) or I'm calling it bullsh*t.

He doesnt have, he knows that from a friend of a friend that has a girlfriend who owns a dog who saw it on youtube

 

What the hell? I said I would never try iit, but it has been done. I was MAINLY talking about the fact the PS3 version of GTA V wasn'r receiving standard patches/updates. lol This is why I rarely post anywhere. Do you feel better now griefing on my post? Good [email protected]. lol

Edited February 2, 2016 by Confucious

[ChrisV]

after the very first update it was clear this game was ment to keep it's players poor and buy cash cards.

the free broken bottle rockstar gave us was their way of saying f*ck you all.

[iddqdvie]

what a new and interesting topic.

 

 

yes, rockstar knows how to get the most out of GTA! but they have also proven not to go full asshole with that. the yachts are really cheap! or did they just figure out at which price-tag they make the most real dollars?

 

 

anyway, f*ck off complaining, you are not paying for the game.

 

you kids and students are NOT the ones that get ripped off. its us working fools who want to have new assets while not wanting to grind/work for it in any way! and since the hookerglitch money is gone i am that stupid foe that buys their sharkcards!

[K.Walters]

PS3 is weak. In few years PS4 will also be weak. You don't see new PS1 and PS2 games release, because they became weak long time ago. That's how it goes. You can't expect the same old hardware to last forever and rely on devs just optimizing games to keep it going. They have limitations just like anything else in the technology world, so at thet point you either have to get a new system or upgrade, either way money will be spent. This is just one of the reasons why I like the PC platform...

My current PC has a pretty good CPU that won't go obsolete any time soon and when games demand more ram or GPU power, I'll get a new GPU and upgrade to 16Gb ram. The only time I will do a full re-build is when the CPU becomes obsolete at which point I'll get the best one available at that time and continue gaming.

 

[Confucious]

PS3 is weak. In few years PS4 will also be weak. You don't see new PS1 and PS2 games release, because they became weak long time ago. That's how it goes. You can't expect the same old hardware to last forever and rely on devs just optimizing games to keep it going. They have limitations just like anything else in the technology world, so at thet point you either have to get a new system or upgrade, either way money will be spent. This is just one of the reasons why I like the PC platform...

My current PC has a pretty good CPU that won't go obsolete any time soon and when games demand more ram or GPU power, I'll get a new GPU and upgrade to 16Gb ram. The only time I will do a full re-build is when the CPU becomes obsolete at which point I'll get the best one available at that time and continue gaming.

 

Yah, I have always played GTA on PC til GTA V due to the delayed PC release. I bought the old fat PS3's off ebay. So at least we can use them for PS1,and PS2 game disk as well. Those are dirt cheap for retro gaming. lol We have it now on PC, but many of our friends are still on PS3. Like us? They don't want to buy PS4, and The game again. Too pricey, and 2 years from now? PS4 will be "old junk on ebay" like the PS3's. Many simply cannot afford it. I just wish they at least still added the basic updates on PS3, for our friends still playing there. They didn't even add the newest basic weapons, or vehicles, the 2x events, or anything really in many months. I don't like consoles much, for that very reason. PC's can be upgraded. We "tightened the belt", and spent the cash a second time, for the PC version as soon as it became available. lol

[K.Walters]

 

PS3 is weak. In few years PS4 will also be weak. You don't see new PS1 and PS2 games release, because they became weak long time ago. That's how it goes. You can't expect the same old hardware to last forever and rely on devs just optimizing games to keep it going. They have limitations just like anything else in the technology world, so at thet point you either have to get a new system or upgrade, either way money will be spent. This is just one of the reasons why I like the PC platform...

My current PC has a pretty good CPU that won't go obsolete any time soon and when games demand more ram or GPU power, I'll get a new GPU and upgrade to 16Gb ram. The only time I will do a full re-build is when the CPU becomes obsolete at which point I'll get the best one available at that time and continue gaming.

 

Yah, I have always played GTA on PC til GTA V due to the delayed PC release. I bought the old fat PS3's off ebay. So at least we can use them for PS1,and PS2 game disk as well. Those are dirt cheap for retro gaming. lol We have it now on PC, but many of our friends are still on PS3. Like us? They don't want to buy PS4, and The game again. Too pricey, and 2 years from now? PS4 will be "old junk on ebay" like the PS3's. Many simply cannot afford it. I just wish they at least still added the basic updates on PS3, for our friends still playing there. They didn't even add the newest basic weapons, or vehicles, the 2x events, or anything really in many months. I don't like consoles much, for that very reason. PC's can be upgraded. We "tightened the belt", and spent the cash a second time, for the PC version as soon as it became available. lol

 

 

Yeah I did the same. GTA5 PC was one of those rare cases where I actually pre-ordered a game. Before that I played on my old Xbox 360 Elite and I have to say with every update or at least every second one I felt as the performance decreased. When it just came out it ran at 30 fps and felt somewhat smooth when playing from the couch (how smooth 30fps can get eh?), but especially after the heists update it felt very slow as if it runs at 25 or even lower fps. There were moments when I would even see the frames changing while driving fast. Adding new content could decrease the performance for sure even if it would be a new weapon or cars. Aren't part if not all of that stored in ram which PS3 and 360 has only 512Mb of? I'm not sure on that one though, so I could be wrong. But they could have at least continued with 2X $ and RP events.

[Confucious]

 

 

PS3 is weak. In few years PS4 will also be weak. You don't see new PS1 and PS2 games release, because they became weak long time ago. That's how it goes. You can't expect the same old hardware to last forever and rely on devs just optimizing games to keep it going. They have limitations just like anything else in the technology world, so at thet point you either have to get a new system or upgrade, either way money will be spent. This is just one of the reasons why I like the PC platform...

My current PC has a pretty good CPU that won't go obsolete any time soon and when games demand more ram or GPU power, I'll get a new GPU and upgrade to 16Gb ram. The only time I will do a full re-build is when the CPU becomes obsolete at which point I'll get the best one available at that time and continue gaming.

 

Yah, I have always played GTA on PC til GTA V due to the delayed PC release. I bought the old fat PS3's off ebay. So at least we can use them for PS1,and PS2 game disk as well. Those are dirt cheap for retro gaming. lol We have it now on PC, but many of our friends are still on PS3. Like us? They don't want to buy PS4, and The game again. Too pricey, and 2 years from now? PS4 will be "old junk on ebay" like the PS3's. Many simply cannot afford it. I just wish they at least still added the basic updates on PS3, for our friends still playing there. They didn't even add the newest basic weapons, or vehicles, the 2x events, or anything really in many months. I don't like consoles much, for that very reason. PC's can be upgraded. We "tightened the belt", and spent the cash a second time, for the PC version as soon as it became available. lol

 

 

Yeah I did the same. GTA5 PC was one of those rare cases where I actually pre-ordered a game. Before that I played on my old Xbox 360 Elite and I have to say with every update or at least every second one I felt as the performance decreased. When it just came out it ran at 30 fps and felt somewhat smooth when playing from the couch (how smooth 30fps can get eh?), but especially after the heists update it felt very slow as if it runs at 25 or even lower fps. There were moments when I would even see the frames changing while driving fast. Adding new content could decrease the performance for sure even if it would be a new weapon or cars. Aren't part if not all of that stored in ram which PS3 and 360 has only 512Mb of? I'm not sure on that one though, so I could be wrong. But they could have at least continued with 2X $ and RP events.

 

Yah, I have had the "road disappear" before even during a heist on PS3. lol My friend Joe actually did put PS4 firmware into a PS3. It ran, but he was goofing off. I am sure if he "actually played" ANYTHING DEMANDING on it, it most likely would have locked up, and/or fried! But unlike me. He has more money, and had about 4 PS3 lying around. He played a PS4 version of a PS3 game. Seriously? I have NO IDEA iI it could actually have played anything made for the PS4. The controllers are even different. Not owning a PS4? Not wanting 1 either? I have no idea. So no, I cannot pove he did it, and it really doesn't matter, as I wouldn't recommend anyone trying it, unless the have money to burn! xD lol The fellow who mention many work, and have no time hardly to farm hours, so cash cards are needed? I definitely can see hi point to. I often hve to wait a long time to get things due to "no so good" income, and if I could afford it? I would probably buy what I eeded for n item if I really wanted it right now. But I like getting it free if possible. Free is always a good thing, and I will grind, when time allows it. Anyways. I got to go earn my "not enough money" for the day. lol xD Off to work I must go. Have a great day everyone.

[Shaytan]

It is truth some of the prices of in-game stuff are somehow high, but I continue seeing people arround here desiring every single of the most expensive, luxurious and unnecessary items in game, and this is even more noticeable since the yachts came out. My point is, players that might be arround on the game for not even a year (just like me, not criticizing that particular point) but already think they should have everything on the game. As I stated on the forums before, the game is meant to give a feel of progression and success when you finally archive the ultimate place in game.

 

This is not me with small in-game dreams, because of course I'd like to save for some day buy that kind of stuff, just people that imo want everything with little effort.