How rockstar is (cleverly) scamming us

[Bxx]

The only other option if you want to enjoy the game to the fullest is to make this game your entire f*cking life and grind all the fun out of it, or to glitch. Thank god for glitching.

Is not hard to grind money in this game, you don't have to grind your entire life on it.

 

You can easily make 100k in less than a hour by playing contact missions (you can do em solo, friends are optional), VIP works, the occasionally finale hopping heist or hosting your own fleeca since it only require 1 other player. The whole grind isn't even a real boring grind since you got a wide range of options that pay decent money, so is not like you need to be replaying the same mission over and over, you can have fun and make some paper.

 

Sure you can argue that is if you're only able to play 1 hour per night that would be a total of 10 days to afford one of the new rice-tastic benny cars. But really is not that bad as you make it be, you don't have to spend thousands of dollars to enjoy the game, you just need to have a bit of patience and play it. However I agree 100% that the shark cards are too expensive for the in-game money you get.

[SuperJude™]

Seriously, all my weapons just disappeared from my inventory Online.

 

I was in Series A Finale and suddenly, nothing. Returned to Free Mode, nothing.

 

You think this is a JOKE?

 

I am 100% certain R* and Take 2 Interactive along with Wall Street read my post and punished me.

 

EDIT: No sooner do I post this, log off and on again and my weapons are back. No proof that they just punished me.

 

OP is the Gary Webb of GTA.

Edited February 4, 2016 by SuperJude™

[Confucious]

I loved old school games. Everything is heading the way of "pay to win" pretty much. When an offline game needs online login, and patches to even play offline.? That is not a good thing. And many games now you have DRM. You buy it, download it on 1 machine, "maybe allow a 2nd install if you are lucky". After that? If your rig, or lappy croaks? Buy it again. Your "game lease" has expired? Since when did we lease a game? I thought that was called "renting" from blockbuster, or other rental companies? lol

 

We play GTA for fun. We were enjoying the "online side with friends". on PS3. Then they stopped updating the console we were all on. But We preffer PC, so bought it again when PC was released. Sadly however, many of our friends either had a PC that wouldn't run it, or went with another console, and "none of the platforms" can interact with each other. My friend in Canada bought the ps4 version. His PS4 broke? They didn't want to even let him redownload GTA V. Tried to get him to buy it again. He had to sit on hold with Rockstar, and raise hell to get it straitened out.

 

Gaming companies are scared too death someone might get something "free" they could get a dollar out of. Often they break games, or ruin them overprotecting their "money makers". I guess you either accept it, or quit. It stinks, but that truly is "how it is". Gaming has changed, and I have never heard of anyone "letting go of a dollar", once the know it is their to get. lol :X

 

I still play the old "overhead view" GTA's, Diablo 1, and 2. And have my own cata 4.3.4 to goof off on. Emulated antiquated systems like Atari 2600, nintendo, sega, activision, etc, and Final Fantasy 1- 9 when time allows me to. We have the new WoW, and Diablo III, but both bore us now. So what do I know? lol xD

 

Things change, people change, greed however is a constant. They will get what they can from gamers, unless it starts killing sells. Then they will offer discounts, make it free "but not really", now you actually have to buy everything pretty much to get anywhere in the game if it is a (free) online game. Or they kill it off "like they are doing gta v on older platforms", to force new sells.

 

We have 240 invested on GTA V in double copies of 2 platforms now ourselves, plus upgraded video cards to run the PC versions. lol It's what it is. We pay to play. Just a lot more than we used to sadly. But, of all the games. GTA is the one I still spend most my time on when I have time. Either offline, or online with friends. To me? It is still about having fun. Not "owning more" than someone else.

Edited February 4, 2016 by Confucious

[fear_the_nut70]

I love this game, but the GTAO business model is only a few steps removed from the pay to win business model employed by many crap mobile games, and that has me a bit worried for the future of R* games.

 

Shark cards are a complete rip-off. You get absolute sh*t for the real life money you pay. The game has been altered many times since launch in order to tempt the average player to buy shark cards. The only other option if you want to enjoy the game to the fullest is to make this game your entire f*cking life and grind all the fun out of it, or to glitch. Thank god for glitching.

 

Call me entitled if you want, but you're missing the point. I've spent $120 on this game buying it twice with no regrets, and would be happy to spend more if I felt that it was money well spent, but the value of shark cards is absolute sh*t. It is a f*cking joke what you get with those. It's not entitlement to want to spend your time and money wisely.

 

But it isn't, because you don't have to play it that way. I know people who play golf, parachute, go off roading, etc etc. The thing about sandbox games is that there are all kinds of ways to play. Hell, I would argue the main component of the game is FM urban warfare, which requires almost no money whatsoever. The only people that see it the way you described it are the "keep up with the Jones's" type who feels like they HAVE to have everything.

[DeadMoonNight]

 

The only other option if you want to enjoy the game to the fullest is to make this game your entire f*cking life and grind all the fun out of it, or to glitch. Thank god for glitching.

Is not hard to grind money in this game, you don't have to grind your entire life on it.

 

You can easily make 100k in less than a hour by playing contact missions (you can do em solo, friends are optional), VIP works, the occasionally finale hopping heist or hosting your own fleeca since it only require 1 other player. The whole grind isn't even a real boring grind since you got a wide range of options that pay decent money, so is not like you need to be replaying the same mission over and over, you can have fun and make some paper.

 

Sure you can argue that is if you're only able to play 1 hour per night that would be a total of 10 days to afford one of the new rice-tastic benny cars. But really is not that bad as you make it be, you don't have to spend thousands of dollars to enjoy the game, you just need to have a bit of patience and play it. However I agree 100% that the shark cards are too expensive for the in-game money you get.

 

Fair point, but that is still a lot of time for one car. I still think that the game is obviously designed to make as much money as possible off of the player rather than to be as much fun as possible, and, in my opinion, that is a shame. What if payouts were double what they are on every job? That way it would still take some effort to save up for things, but it wouldn't be such a mind numbing grind to afford all the game has to offer. Or what if $60 got you $100 miillion gta bucks? That would be approaching reasonable in my opinion.

[LTG_KARL]

mmm seem like OP need to lookup the meaning of the word "scam"...

 

none of the exemples offered by op are scams.

 

Rockstar is a company of greed. Everywhere you look there are examples of it. A great example is the small bank in paleto bay in story mode paying a ton of money, BUT THE LARGEST BANK IN LOS SANTOS IN ONLINE PAYS 1,250,000 ON HARD?!?!?! I believe that heists are rockstars fools gold. They tempt you with promise of big pay and money but really they're just a load of crap. During heists 90% of the time you either fail or someone quits. so first off, rockstar is scamming you because their heists don't pay nearly enough. My second point on how they are scamming you is by inflating the prices from story mode to online. In story mode you can see that most prices are cheaper than online. They are hoping that by inflating their prices that you will buy a quick shark card to get cash and afford their outrageous prices (10k for a shirt? Cmon man!) a third way I believe they are scamming us is by making the jobs pay less. They knew rooftop rumble and coveted (remember those) were making us rich and I'll bet my a$$ that shark card sales were at an all time low so they figured hey if we make it hard as heck to earn cash they will have to buy money and if they glitch we can ban them! This really dissapoints me because I always thought rockstar was above this micro transaction bs but I was wrong. Anyway I felt this was necessary because as the ill gotten gains part 2 approaches we all need to be wary that the prices are gonna be beyond expensive because rockstar will just feed us some "special luxury item bs" do you feel the same way about rockstar?

 

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Even though they may not be very accurate, what I bolded (which wasn't very hard to find) it literally him stating a valid example of scam, in other words a dishonest scheme. You should know that and also everyone else who liked your comment.

 

Also you shouldn't post this here as a big portion of this community have modded accounts or have received cash drops... Some people who I even know of posted against your thread, which is quite pathetic...

Edited February 4, 2016 by LTG_KARL

[DeadMoonNight]

 

I love this game, but the GTAO business model is only a few steps removed from the pay to win business model employed by many crap mobile games, and that has me a bit worried for the future of R* games.

 

Shark cards are a complete rip-off. You get absolute sh*t for the real life money you pay. The game has been altered many times since launch in order to tempt the average player to buy shark cards. The only other option if you want to enjoy the game to the fullest is to make this game your entire f*cking life and grind all the fun out of it, or to glitch. Thank god for glitching.

 

Call me entitled if you want, but you're missing the point. I've spent $120 on this game buying it twice with no regrets, and would be happy to spend more if I felt that it was money well spent, but the value of shark cards is absolute sh*t. It is a f*cking joke what you get with those. It's not entitlement to want to spend your time and money wisely.

 

But it isn't, because you don't have to play it that way. I know people who play golf, parachute, go off roading, etc etc. The thing about sandbox games is that there are all kinds of ways to play. Hell, I would argue the main component of the game is FM urban warfare, which requires almost no money whatsoever. The only people that see it the way you described it are the "keep up with the Jones's" type who feels like they HAVE to have everything.

 

I see your point. And that's how I prefer to play, just f*cking around without worrying about the financial aspect of it too much. If I like a game I will usually buy all the dlc for it and want to experience all the game has to offer. GTAO is an amazing game, I'd put it up there with the best experiences video games have to offer, and I want to experience it fully. As I said earlier, I have no problem paying for it either, as long as it's a fair price. That is my main gripe, in order to fully experience the full game it either takes an unreasonable amount of time or money. If shark cards weren't such a complete rip-off, or if the payouts for jobs were larger I'd have no problem at all.

[MusicMan05]

I don't know.... I can easily make a little over $160K per hour playing contact missions with a group of friends. If someone wanted to they could play the game an hour a day, for 28 days and be able to afford the $8M yacht. You don't have to spend a dime on Shark Cash Cards or glitch to keep up. If you want to buy items day one, do what I do and keep a few million saved. Then between updates build your cash back up in anticipation for whatever the next big thing is, and hope it doesn't set you too far back. It all comes down to "I want to have it now with no effort put in."

 

In comparison the same thing happened in away to RDR multiplayer. Once cheats/exploits and eventually mods released everyone suddenly became Legendary 5 and there was an abundance of players riding Zebra Donkeys. (Until the novelty wore off because almost everyone had one.) I bet if Rockstar San Diego released a remastered version of RDR and left the online progression system exactly the same but added the option to pay for multiplayer cash (experience/levels/Legendary Ranks) we'd have the same thing now with conspiracy theorists blaming the Legendary Ranks and how long it takes to get to Legendary Rank 5 as Rockstar's greedy way of getting players to buy cash cards.

[Striker258]

I honestly think the pac standard job heist should give about 2-5 million or so, I mean for everything they've selling

 

The yacht

The gold jet

The t20

The orisis

It's to much, it's like you must waste almost 200$ or waste a months worth of your time for a virtual item

[DominusTaranis]

I can agree with people syaing that things are overpriced, both shark cards and items in online.

 

But, for myself, I've decided to go the patient route. For the past week, I've done no real grinding. Just playing on my second character to level him up to make dailies possible everyday, and doing dailies on both characters. I run a couple of missions with my low level and go to work. I come home, eat, and play Warframe or something. No stress. I'll buy and mod all I want on my main eventually.

[Blasterman4EVER]

Rockstar has actually saved me money. I don't buy other games because none of them are better than GTA V.

[Striker258]

Oh and because the heists includes robing a big bank with only 1million, cheap cash 😒

[SuperJude™]

Rockstar has actually saved me money. I don't buy other games because none of them are better than GTA V.

You mean GTA Online.

 

GTA V is another forum and the mods might get touchy about that.

[Adeel007]

I'm scamming them more... like I have been since the game came out lol

[Vova07]

Someone's salty that they have no more money from modding out a sultan and now they want to blame Rockstar that they have to start grinding again.

[Aaaash]

Oh the irony of 'GTA_Matt' and 'Rockstar Hater'

[CarimboHanky]

Even though they may not be very accurate, what I bolded (which wasn't very hard to find) it literally him stating a valid example of scam, in other words a dishonest scheme.

invalid argument given the fact they never told us we would make millions in just 1 heist ala story mode, you can make millions playing heist but you actually have to play the thing to make money...

 

the problem here is that people want stuff handed to them, they want to have all the nice stuff without putting no effort to achieve it.

 

 

I honestly think the pac standard job heist should give about 2-5 million or so, I mean for everything they've selling

 

The yacht

The gold jet

The t20

The orisis

It's to much, it's like you must waste almost 200$ or waste a months worth of your time for a virtual item

no they shouldnt...

 

all those are permanent additions to the game, you dont have to get them all on release day if you cant,well set a long term goal and work toward.

[Mr Walker]

 

This is idiocy on a scale difficult for most of us to comprehend. When you turn 18, I'm sure it will make sense. Right now, the only logical conclusion is another sh*tbag millennial complaining about impediments to their insatiable need for instant gratification.

 

You see, little Matty, in the grown-up world there's a concept called "economics". Economics is the science of the production, distribution and consumption of goods and services.

 

In economics, the drivers for consumption are divided into two categories: need and want.

 

Needs are essential items such as food, clothing, and shelter. They should be the priority with respect of spending income (that think your parents get from jobs that brings money in, where they exchange their labour for wages. That is, they work to get money).

Wants are non-essential luxury items, such as televisions, video game consoles, and apparently in your parents case, contraceptives.

 

In GTAO's economy, there are no real needs. An apartment is a want with a very high practical utility value - sorry, it's super useful to have an apartment - but all the shiny cars, the $10K shirts, the planes etc are wants.

 

What Rockstar does, because they're smarter than lazy, entitled millennial sh*tbags, is make a shortcut available to people who wish to trade their income for in-game cash they'd otherwise have to grind.

 

I can't even begin to express my contempt for your parents for raising you this poorly that you firstly assume any company owes you something and aren't entitled to open up revenue streams for themselves for one; and secondly, that you're so used to having your wants instantly catered to that you're unable to process a scenario where someone says no.

 

There are undoubtedly flaws in R*'s delivery of the GTAO experience, such as the server issues and the apparent ease with which modders can f*ck the game into a cocked hat, but the economy is a thing of wonder. Mostly because it pushes the buttons of a generation so utterly worthless that, in centuries to come, archaeologists will mock us relentlessly for them.

 

Please uninstall the game and throw the discs away.

 

Road House!

Edited February 5, 2016 by Mr Walker

[DominusTaranis]

 

Rockstar has actually saved me money. I don't buy other games because none of them are better than GTA V.

You mean GTA Online.

 

GTA V is another forum and the mods might get touchy about that.

Technically, it isn't. It's the multiplayer portion of GTA V. Mods be damned. Until you can access Online without buying GTA V, they are the same game, and it is not FTP.

[Striker258]

 

Even though they may not be very accurate, what I bolded (which wasn't very hard to find) it literally him stating a valid example of scam, in other words a dishonest scheme.

invalid argument given the fact they never told us we would make millions in just 1 heist ala story mode, you can make millions playing heist but you actually have to play the thing to make money...

 

the problem here is that people want stuff handed to them, they want to have all the nice stuff without putting no effort to achieve it.

 

 

I honestly think the pac standard job heist should give about 2-5 million or so, I mean for everything they've selling

 

The yacht

The gold jet

The t20

The orisis

It's to much, it's like you must waste almost 200$ or waste a months worth of your time for a virtual item

no they shouldnt...

 

all those are permanent additions to the game, you dont have to get them all on release day if you cant,well set a long term goal and work toward.

but it feels like the bank hardly gives cash and it doesn't even feel like robbing a bank and missions give peasant money... , and no I won't use shark cards, they're a ripoff ( just saying) Edited February 5, 2016 by Striker258

[Simply Logic]

Lol. shark cards, in case you need a cheap way to buy money.

Edited February 5, 2016 by Simply logic

[CarimboHanky]

but it feels like the bank hardly gives cash and it doesn't even feel like robbing a bank and missions give peasant money... , and no I won't use shark cards, they're a ripoff ( just saying)

set long term goals and play the game!

not a single cashcard bought!

[SlobbishBoozer]

You have to be strict with yourself OP, if you're doing heists and contact missions but then spending an hour killing free roamers and blowing up their vehicles then you're wasting your time. I've been saving for the yacht for a month now, I'm on 5 million.

[ride_the_spiral]

There are seven ways to make money but I can't tell you what they are for my sins

[Blasterman4EVER]

 

Rockstar has actually saved me money. I don't buy other games because none of them are better than GTA V.

You mean GTA Online.

 

GTA V is another forum and the mods might get touchy about that.

We have been over this, so I won't go into it. Your comment made me chuckle though.

[SuperJude™]

Blasterman, agreed and thanks for getting the joke😉

[shadowoperative]

I just thought you should know...I don't feel scammed. Value for the dollar is through the roof for me.

 

Money well spent.

[ce102088]

R* is a business updates require hours and hours of work and no one would do it for free hence the reason they try to sell us shark cards, you also say heists pay too little? You said it pays over $1,000,000 by in game standards that very good, In story as well a heist is only done once so if you mess up and don't get the full payout then your screwed.

 

People say "the prices of in game items are increasing every updates" - well yeah no surprise the game is getting older and older R* by now expects there to be many of us who are extremely rich and you know the only people in real life who can afford super cars, yachts, and private jets and multi-millionaires and billionaires.

 

GTA Online is a long term game meaning they want you to play at least a year or two, and how do they get you to continue playing you may ask? By making expensive items that are long term goals to work for / buy shark cards to get early.

 

DLCs are FREE why are you complaining, Call of Duty, Battlefield and most other shooter games have 4-5 DLCs with less content in them than a GTA DLC plus not to mention CoD and Battlefield charge you 10-25 dollars a DLC or you can buy the season pass for $50 (battlefield) to get all the content of Battlefield or CoD you just need to pay $120 to get all the updates.

 

People over exaggerated how hard it is to earn cash, I've learned from past experience you can easily do a heist everyday ( 80,000 - 500,000 per heist ) anf if not a heist do a bunch of your favorite missions and get 500,000 or more daily. Basically I could get a new super car every other day if I played everyday.

 

People complain about nearly everything in GTA, a giant super yacht is reasonably priced at 10,000,000, why you may ask? Its a giant super yacht not many people should be able to buy one. But either way it received hate, why? Because a company trying to make money raised its price to 10,000,000 which is a reasonable price.

 

^ And the comment by this guy ^ which talked about economics and why R* needs money had over 30 likes whereas the original comment had only 11

 

 

 

Everything you said in this is the same thing every single person who doesn't understand good business has said since the release of this game. Too many people expect everything from every update to be handed to them, if you "hate" the game get off and go outside or something.

[Pedinhuh]

How come this is still going??? Jesus...

 

It's not hard to get money in this game. At. All!

Just keep doing missions instead of heists, Online heists are bullsh*t anyway.

[OpenMikeEagle]

How come this is still going??? Jesus...

 

It's not hard to get money in this game. At. All!

Just keep doing missions instead of heists, Online heists are bullsh*t anyway.

Really? Bullsh*t? Its possible to make a million a night, not sure how thats possible with missions. But ok, if you have friends that like playing them and are good then its the best way to make money. Thats if you have friends, so thats its one downfall. Sometimes I cant find enough, but the x times you have to do missions vs the x times you have to do heists, missions are way more tedious.