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CBH

4th of July

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Stephan90

Can we agree that the European settlers wanted to control all the land of North America in any case. Keeping the fingers away from just one single part of the land was never an option. The indians have their reservations but all the land is part of the United States. And the indians didn't take the land from other people because their ancestors arrived 15,000 years ago.

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"Native" -- Man, that's such a self-righteous term. Meanwhile nobody knows if the tribes were native to the land or whether they took it from somebody else after they emigrated from Asia. Maybe the tribes drove off and slaughtered the Vikings who were there first -- but at the very least they took the land away from the animals that were already there.

 

Is this supposed to be a joke? Native Americans didn't destroy nature on a massive scale as happened after colonialism, like the eradication of the American buffalo. As far as I know, Native Americans lived sustainably in harmony with nature, and if you'd have evidence against it I'd be interested.

 

 

No, and you don't really know either. But no land has ever been occupied without being taken from someone or something -- you cant say for sure that they're native. Also the "American" part of the term native American is just a shout out to amerigo vespucci, the cartographer, so it's also an inaccurate way to describe the tribes in that way too. The individual names of the tribes were the correct names they went by - those were their nations. The biggest reasons you would use the term "native American" or insist that someone does is to seek pity for being the first, which is self-righteous as all hell .. or just to get money by buying in to the popular consensus.

 

it's entirely not respectable.

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El Dildo

Because of course, subjecting a country to scrutiny for its history of slavery, segregation, economic imprisonment, forcible relocation or slaughter of native tribes-people and the use of chemical and nuclear WMD's against countries you didn't even need to be fighting in the first place - to think any of these things are significant and worth remembering is such an absurd notion!

but this is nothing new.

what's your point? just shaking your finger at the US from your high horse because we've been there and done that...

 

we have ongoing topics discussing several of the exact issues you raised.

this particular topic - just balling them together and shaming America - is retarded and useless. there's nothing to debate here. we're already in agreement; America did sh/tty things in the past.

 

NEWS FLASH: so has every other country on Earth.

we're not unique.

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Because of course, subjecting a country to scrutiny for its history of slavery, segregation, economic imprisonment, forcible relocation or slaughter of native tribes-people and the use of chemical and nuclear WMD's against countries you didn't even need to be fighting in the first place - to think any of these things are significant and worth remembering is such an absurd notion!

but this is nothing new.

what's your point? just shaking your finger at the US from your high horse because we've been there and done that...

 

NEWS FLASH: so has every other country on Earth.

we're not unique.

My point was hardly to testify on whether America should be held accountable to its past, in the modern day, nor was I intending to say that America is alone in having a history tarnished by unpleasantness - rather that you can't really just write it off, be all jovial and pretend these things never happened - it is such a great position of privilege you have to be in to look at the suffering of hundreds of millions of people that have lived before you and to value their lives as unworthy of interest or credit.

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CBH

this thread sucks and this topic is not worth debating.

 

hypocrisy much?

lack of perspective much?

 

the US did not invent colonial genocide.

we were actually one of the last nations to practice the tactic on such a scale. this is just how the world functioned up until the advent of the modern age. stronger people discover weaker people and obliterate/assimilate them until someone else comes along and repeats the process. if we can't celebrate July 4th then virtually every other country on Earth has to stop celebrating their own independence. there's maybe like a handful of societies who can honestly claim they never committed some kind of atrocity during the unification process of their native lands.

 

get over it...

You'll notice the first post in the thread? That's mine.

 

I hold my birth country to the same standard. What with me being a card carrying communist party member in good standing, I've disavowed the British state a long time ago. I'm not shy in making it known that I want it destroyed, as it never held any moral right to power and has spread great evil. There is no hypocrisy here.

 

It's pretty funny though that your widdle feelings are hurt that someone insulted White America's heritage, while you profess that honest to god genocidal imperialism is something we should just "get over". You ain't hard.

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Otter

Please, take the rhetoric down a notch or this conversation is over.

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CBH

I'm saying dangerous things again? oh well

 

 

 

Blame it on whoever span this off into a different thread.

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Otter

Get off the cross, tiger. "It's pretty funny though that your widdle feelings are hurt" That's not a dangerous thought, that's petulant behavior. Stow it or leave, please.

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